Guild Wars 2

Nothing but kittening rangers and turret engies, thought they were meant to be balancing this kitten? PvP is still just ai wars, it’s a joke.

Wait, Are you dieing to turret engineers?

Not dying to them, but when there’s 3 set up on a kittening point you can’t do anything about it since your team mates are all kittened.

o.O ill be honest. If theres three turret engineers on a single point. Laugh at them and leave for another point. Because there effing morons or trolls and theyv given you the win. If theres one on each point. Start zerging. And have a burster cover the point you leave behind. Turret engineers HAVE to be set up or there worthless. So you need someone that can kill them quick or prevent them from setting up. (guards/hambows are good at preventing htem from setting up properly and thieves/mesmers can burst htem before they make it onto the point as long as there scouting properly instead of sitting on the point.

If there setup on the point and you cant get him off send a GOOD minion mancer (as wierd as that may sound to many people) ANY necro well played can do it but MMs will have the easiest time due to the minions body blocking the rocket turret. As long as they know what there doing they can take the turret engi out our force them off the point. At which point hte turret engineer has failed in the ONE job the class is capable of.

Instead of crying about AI and how much you hate it maybe figure out why the more experienced players have generally stopped saying anything about it. Most of them have accepted it and don’t even mind because once you know what to do there even easier to kill than any other build. They just take a different viewpoint.

As for the rangers. I have no honest idea why your angry at them. The longbow rangers can be almost instantly killed by a well timed burst. The condi rangers get eaten by pretty standard things and have to be played well to be effective. There have been much fewer spirit rangers around lately. Probably getting countered by a part of the current meta.

But when there’s 2 fear/minion necros on another point and you team insists on charging lord since they’re a bunch of first timers and the balance system is proving how terrible it is.. And my dislike for the rangers comes from having 9 in a lobby

Alright. One the fact that your team was idiotic has nothing to do with the balance of the game. Starting later today that SHOULD start getting better. As the new matchmaking if it works iwll partner you with more experienced people as you play more games.

As for the fear/minion necro duo on another point. Again that loss was msotly to your team being a bunch of lemmings. Simply sending 3 people to the necros would have given you the win as two others kept there engies tied up. Or even one other keeping the engis tied up so they couldnt take the point you did have. The loss had nothing at all to do with balance and everything to do with inexperience and bad choices in match.

Yea but that’s kinda my point dude, I keep getting kittens for team mates, I’m not the highest rank since I’ve not played much lately and ranks used to be slow as kitten, but a rank 62 shouldn’t be getting in with first timers every other match, it’s just kittenty balancing.

I find that the higher leaderboard players tend to play spirit rangers, while the mid class leaderboard players play engineers, the annoying rifle with splashing water and nades type engineers.

Attached is a high class game… Btw I was leaderboard rank 95% at the time playing with top 100 leaderboard players. My hidden MMR must be pretty dang good, I’m sure its from the days when I was on a team and faced good teams like Karmy, Joshua S type teams (only team I remember that I played against that put up really good fights).

Guess which team won… Ostrich Eggs team didn’t win. That guy Pandemonium, think it was him, he freaking wrecks people, wrecked my entire team. They were all spirit rangers too, or at least 2 of them were. We lost because of not being able to control the team fights, literally was 2v1, 3v2 everywhere and the entire matchup.

You know, I was thinking, there use to be a post about autoattack or something, pretty much those rangers would pew pew you until you dead, its like they did nothing but pew pew and you die. That power of the spirits is real.
I think if Ostrich Eggs went engineer and put condi pressure on those spirit rangers we WOULD have won. I literally thought since Ostrich Eggs was on my team I would get a win, but nope. Lost by 150 or so, all due to pew pew. I’m pretty sure that celestial ele or whatever weakness is pew pew as well.

All those popular preppy kids complaining about celestial ammy and eles using them or something…. I don’t see many eles, I see a lot of rangers and annoying engineers. If a lot of people playing them then you think something is fishy going on, like they too op or something.

8 classes 5 rangers in a 10 player match, this is my issue with them.

@ uber Yeah sounds like they were really good at rotation. And they were able to split there enemy up well enough to go for guaranteed wins. They played to there strengths. If pandemonium did what you say I gotta give mad props to the guy then.

@ huggles as I said though theres gonna be new matchmaking today. And I can’t stress that the issue your having IS NOT balance but matchmaking issues.

Balance refers to how classes and there mechanics work against eachother. Celestial D/D Ely VS. MM Necro Vs. Ax/Shield Warrior Vs. Backstab Thief.

Matchmaking is the issue atm. As people of varrying experience levels are being partnered with and against eachother. So you ended up with people that did not know how to play the objectives properly vs people who might not be very skilled but new what the important thing was in the match.

If you think you were on a higher skill/experience level than the lemmings.. Id reccomend you keep playing as if the new matchmaking that is coming out TODAY works as advertised youl have fewer issues. (Id guess its impossible to get rid of it ENTIRELY but the instances of severe differences should all but vanish given time and fine tuning).

I.E. Your having a standard issue that has existed up to this point and ironically chose to come to the forums with it on the very day its being addressed. Kinda funny if you think about it.

P.S. Theres a resurgence of rangers because now theres actually more than one or two possible playstyles with it. Before it was condi bunker or 100% absolute glass (hardly viable because the damage was impossible to land and anything and its grandmother could kill it) But changes have been made to make the power builds more useable. This caused alot of rangers to come out of retirement.

The ranger archetype is one of the most common in the gaming world so its not suprising there was ALOT of them. Many of them play different classes though so id say you just got really weird luck in attracting them. I see one MAYBE two in games. and many games that have none at all.

So you’re claiming there’s nothing that is unbalanced? celestial is fine by you?

Now your whining about celestial? your original post had NOTHING to do with celestial AT ALL. Where did that even come from.

I never said balance was perfect. Its IMPOSSIBLE to make balance perfect unless there is only ONE class/build in a game.

BALANCE has NOTHING to do with your original problems however. The problems you had was the blatant incompetence of your team in the face of something they didn’t spend TWO SECONDS trying to figure out.

Everything you have said up to this point has pointed to a matchmaking issue. Which you repeatedly referred to as a balance issue which led me to believe you had the two mixed up. Now im beginning to believe you made a post intending to complain for the sake of complaining and not actually in the intention of bringing anything constructive to the forum. As you have COMPLETELY changed direction in your posts.

Did I hit a nerve there? You just another celestial muppet?

Aww thats cute. Now your trying to act like a troll. Just so you know :P I play 20606 Cavalier Necromancer. If you really wanna claim cavalier is op next feel free. I dare you.

No matter how trolly you act though now in an attempt to mask your kittenups in the above posts. It aint gonna work. the best you can do is edit them to try and make them seem less idiotic. good luck with that though.

Its pretty obvious you never had any intention of actually discussing anything. So your just attempting to troll at this point. But you (thankfully) made yourself look like more of an idiot than I could ever manage.

Have a good one. Maybe ill roll a turret engi for awhile in the hopes of seeing you.

All my points are valid, you can keep your fanboy kitten all you want but the game is kittened, deal with it. PvP is going no where and it just goes from one state of decay to another.

uberkingkong.8041:

I find that the higher leaderboard players tend to play spirit rangers, while the mid class leaderboard players play engineers, the annoying rifle with splashing water and nades type engineers.

Attached is a high class game… Btw I was leaderboard rank 95% at the time playing with top 100 leaderboard players. My hidden MMR must be pretty dang good, I’m sure its from the days when I was on a team and faced good teams like Karmy, Joshua S type teams (only team I remember that I played against that put up really good fights).

Guess which team won… Ostrich Eggs team didn’t win. That guy Pandemonium, think it was him, he freaking wrecks people, wrecked my entire team. They were all spirit rangers too, or at least 2 of them were. We lost because of not being able to control the team fights, literally was 2v1, 3v2 everywhere and the entire matchup.

You know, I was thinking, there use to be a post about autoattack or something, pretty much those rangers would pew pew you until you dead, its like they did nothing but pew pew and you die. That power of the spirits is real.
I think if Ostrich Eggs went engineer and put condi pressure on those spirit rangers we WOULD have won. I literally thought since Ostrich Eggs was on my team I would get a win, but nope. Lost by 150 or so, all due to pew pew. I’m pretty sure that celestial ele or whatever weakness is pew pew as well.

All those popular preppy kids complaining about celestial ammy and eles using them or something…. I don’t see many eles, I see a lot of rangers and annoying engineers. If a lot of people playing them then you think something is fishy going on, like they too op or something.

Ele’s are harder to play. I don’t really don’t trust any ele that I don’t recognize the name. I can’t tell you how many terrible ele’s that I’ve seen.

Rangers are easy to play and Engineers are easy to play, which is why you see a hell of lot of them. I’m actually not surprised that you lost even with high-tier players, hell, my Elementalist couldn’t survive constant focus fire from 3 rangers why would a guardian?
Even if Ostrich Eggs went engineer, it wouldn’t have helped. You need thieves and lots of them.

The problem with rangers right now, in my opinion is Greatsword Leap/Block and Point Blank shot. Other than that, I find their damage legit :\
Just remove their ability for hard defense.

As for Engineers, they are a serious problem. They have access to way to much CC and condi spam. One match I had 3 engineers and a thief. The other team was really good, hell, there was a GOOD Mesmer, you don’t see many of those now a days.

But 2 of the spamgineers ran celestial, one ran rabids and there other team just could not stand on point, what should have been a close match ended up 500-200 just because they couldn’t stand on the point without being wrecked with grenades, turrets, bombs.

They didn’t die a lot, they just couldn’t hold mid point despite fighting so much at mid and when Tranquility appeared it was GG.

Elementalists, Engineers and Rangers do need to get nerfed without a doubt. Will it happen soon?
No… Not really.

Why isn’t there an ArenaNet team souly devoted to improving combat? It almost feels like they drag people into combat balancing instead of having a team that entirely focuses just on that.

Oh, and I main an Elementalist, a D/D Celestial Elementalist and I’m taking home a mini Llama and a… Glorious Armor set -_- yay. Tomorrow.

Anyone that defends the legitness this current meta’s balance, go back to Dhuumfire meta and stay there. Let the real pro’s that spend thousands of hours on our favorite class discuss balance.

There’s a really simple way of going about this.. Split the skills from pve and pvp, kitten that breaks pvp is useless in pve so they nerf/buff it for one and ruin it for the other.

huggles.5271:

There’s a really simple way of going about this.. Split the skills from pve and pvp, kitten that breaks pvp is useless in pve so they nerf/buff it for one and ruin it for the other.

LOL, the problem is the balance team sleeping for months, not that there is no split.

Balancing is not easy, but for such long splits between balancing and new combat content is just poisonous.
I recently discovered how freaking hard it is to nerf defense. Try nerfing Transmute, no matter what I do, it’s basically a must have for Engineers :\

Living Story can go die. I desire evolving combat.

A split would make it far easier to keep under control.

EU SoloQ Zerk ranger player here (ranked ~300 atm, 100 max), I just wanted to add some info.

Celestial D/D elementalists win against any ranger build btw. They faceroll the zerk LB to the point I just try to run from them at all cost. The same mostly applies for Hambows.

Builds that are hard countered by the top all-around builds of the moment are hardly OP, imo.

@Nova Stiker.8396, not sure why you think Ranger’s need a nerf seen as they are weakest class in TPvP atm….. Maybe you should learn how they work once you do your going to find out how easy it is to beat a Ranger.

Guy is complaining about rangers, while celestial monkeys are taking over the planet.

100% l2p issue. Now move on and stop feeding the troll.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQJAVRjMq0sanK+qQ0aAMhq9AUABArk19G8BZQFrkC-TJBBABVcJAA4JAAWZgB3fAA

storm spirit crits up to 3.9k on celestial amulet. enjoy.

You died to a turret engi ? Im sorry but i throw up a wall then wreck them, you must not know how to play. Ranger?? Do you know what reflect is dude

when ur talking about engis. Is it any engi that has a turret! or three turrets ones camping !

I am an engi I use two turrets plus crate with two kits rifle. I think of my built as a Crit CC one.Yet i have hurt the complains about any turret .
I will throw a bone. I do not feel turrets should beable to stay up forever . SOme kind of needs to be added on how long they may stay up.
Yet if that does in I would oh so say the same for nerco minion and any familar typelike spirit pets.

Yet I do get sick of player saying stuff about turrets.

uote=4595787;Nova Stiker.8396:]

I find that the higher leaderboard players tend to play spirit rangers, while the mid class leaderboard players play engineers, the annoying rifle with splashing water and nades type engineers.

Attached is a high class game… Btw I was leaderboard rank 95% at the time playing with top 100 leaderboard players. My hidden MMR must be pretty dang good, I’m sure its from the days when I was on a team and faced good teams like Karmy, Joshua S type teams (only team I remember that I played against that put up really good fights).

Guess which team won… Ostrich Eggs team didn’t win. That guy Pandemonium, think it was him, he freaking wrecks people, wrecked my entire team. They were all spirit rangers too, or at least 2 of them were. We lost because of not being able to control the team fights, literally was 2v1, 3v2 everywhere and the entire matchup.

Spirit ranger time is hard too beat There so tanky plus with all the pets hard to focus on main target .I believe spirits should have at timer for how long they can stay out and not be out forever if not hit. or used .

You know, I was thinking, there use to be a post about autoattack or something, pretty much those rangers would pew pew you until you dead, its like they did nothing but pew pew and you die. That power of the spirits is real.
I think if Ostrich Eggs went engineer and put condi pressure on those spirit rangers we WOULD have won. I literally thought since Ostrich Eggs was on my team I would get a win, but nope. Lost by 150 or so, all due to pew pew. I’m pretty sure that celestial ele or whatever weakness is pew pew as well.

All those popular preppy kids complaining about celestial ammy and eles using them or something…. I don’t see many eles, I see a lot of rangers and annoying engineers. If a lot of people playing them then you think something is fishy going on, like they too op or something.

Three are afew eles I have come across that you cant do anything against once KD ur going to die. Yet thos players i believe are using macros so you wont see them that much . The ones i speak of do a come that is way too fast for fingers . Cuz i have fast fingers and came close too there combo yet came short.
Ele’s are harder to play. I don’t really don’t trust any ele that I don’t recognize the name. I can’t tell you how many terrible ele’s that I’ve seen.

Rangers are easy to play and Engineers are easy to play, which is why you see a hell of lot of them. I’m actually not surprised that you lost even with high-tier players, hell, my Elementalist couldn’t survive constant focus fire from 3 rangers why would a guardian?
Even if Ostrich Eggs went engineer, it wouldn’t have helped. You need thieves and lots of them.

Cant say muc h about this. Tho if ur being focus by rangers and ther 10X hit that goes up with each hit end with a crit range of 10k with one skill is alot. 8 timer at that .Hell that should be there elite cuz dps is so high.

The problem with rangers right now, in my opinion is Greatsword Leap/Block and Point Blank shot. Other than that, I find their damage legit :\
Just remove their ability for hard defense.

As for Engineers, they are a serious problem. They have access to way to much CC and condi spam. One match I had 3 engineers and a thief. The other team was really good, hell, there was a GOOD Mesmer, you don’t see many of those now a days.

Engi is jack of all yet master of none. engi players learn this so there are alot of diffrent types of builts unlike other class . U have a nerco vs engi condi the nerco should win. Yet if that nerco fasted a CC engi the nerco should lose.
Now if that condi engi faced that mesmer the mersmer would lose cuz there weak vs condi. say that same mesmer faced the CC engi the mesmer would win ,

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You know, I was thinking, there use to be a post about autoattack or something, pretty much those rangers would pew pew you until you dead, its like they did nothing but pew pew and you die. That power of the spirits is real.
I think if Ostrich Eggs went engineer and put condi pressure on those spirit rangers we WOULD have won. I literally thought since Ostrich Eggs was on my team I would get a win, but nope. Lost by 150 or so, all due to pew pew. I’m pretty sure that celestial ele or whatever weakness is pew pew as well.

All those popular preppy kids complaining about celestial ammy and eles using them or something…. I don’t see many eles, I see a lot of rangers and annoying engineers. If a lot of people playing them then you think something is fishy going on, like they too op or something.[/quote]

Three are afew eles I have come across that you cant do anything against once KD ur going to die. Yet thos players i believe are using macros so you wont see them that much . The ones i speak of do a come that is way too fast for fingers . Cuz i have fast fingers and came close too there combo yet came short.
Ele’s are harder to play. I don’t really don’t trust any ele that I don’t recognize the name. I can’t tell you how many terrible ele’s that I’ve seen.

Rangers are easy to play and Engineers are easy to play, which is why you see a hell of lot of them. I’m actually not surprised that you lost even with high-tier players, hell, my Elementalist couldn’t survive constant focus fire from 3 rangers why would a guardian?
Even if Ostrich Eggs went engineer, it wouldn’t have helped. You need thieves and lots of them.

Cant say muc h about this. Tho if ur being focus by rangers and ther 10X hit that goes up with each hit end with a crit range of 10k with one skill is alot. 8 timer at that .Hell that should be there elite cuz dps is so high.

The problem with rangers right now, in my opinion is Greatsword Leap/Block and Point Blank shot. Other than that, I find their damage legit :\
Just remove their ability for hard defense.

As for Engineers, they are a serious problem. They have access to way to much CC and condi spam. One match I had 3 engineers and a thief. The other team was really good, hell, there was a GOOD Mesmer, you don’t see many of those now a days.

Engi is jack of all yet master of none. engi players learn this so there are alot of diffrent types of builts unlike other class . U have a nerco vs engi condi the nerco should win. Yet if that nerco fasted a CC engi the nerco should lose.
Now if that condi engi faced that mesmer the mersmer would lose cuz there weak vs condi. say that same mesmer faced the CC engi the mesmer would win ,

But 2 of the spamgineers ran celestial, one ran rabids and there other team just could not stand on point, what should have been a close match ended up 500-200 just because they couldn’t stand on the point without being wrecked with grenades, turrets, bombs.

dont let bombs fool yeah there dps and for turrets us los . Naders need to face CCers .

They didn’t die a lot, they just couldn’t hold mid point despite fighting so much at mid and when Tranquility appeared it was GG.

Elementalists, Engineers and Rangers do need to get nerfed without a doubt. Will it happen soon?
No… Not really.

Just asking for a nerf will hurt the game. Need to kn where to nerf before asking . I had pointed out some that would not be agreeable nerfs . Cuz i see having three turrets out without despawning unless they are taken down by owner or enemy . Just leaving them stand forever is nerf. As it the ones doing the turet thing are exploiting something the game deve team missed.

Why isn’t there an ArenaNet team souly devoted to improving combat? It almost feels like they drag people into combat balancing instead of having a team that entirely focuses just on that.[/quote]

Its simple . they are unsure where to go . Why they look at forums for ideas . ANd if we dont come up with good ones .Instead of flame complaining about it they wont kn !