Guild Wars 2

Let’s hope an influx of good natured players enter and motivate ANET to actually fix stuff!

:)

Now they have to hurry up with balancing the peasant professions and the Ele more than ever.

You do realise that if anet listened to all the new player complaints, it would result in nerfs to things such as stealth (omg they went invisible, I can’t do anything), longbow ranger, lich form, minion master, etc.

How many new players actually complain about D/D ele compared to any of those other things?

Looks like ~50% winning ratio is going to drop quite fast and significantly.

Tao.1234:

Looks like ~50% winning ratio is going to drop quite fast and significantly.

Uh. Not sure how you got to that conclusion?

Tao.1234:

Looks like ~50% winning ratio is going to drop quite fast and significantly.

So you plan to get bad at the game to protest against this change? F2P’ers don’t get access to ranked.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

You do realise that if anet listened to all the new player complaints, it would result in nerfs to things such as stealth (omg they went invisible, I can’t do anything), longbow ranger, lich form, minion master, etc.

How many new players actually complain about D/D ele compared to any of those other things?

Meh to be expected, I remeber HATING thieves in WvW, couldnt be less bothered now

Everyone learns, hopefully that includes ANETs balancing and community pressure control.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

You do realise that if anet listened to all the new player complaints, it would result in nerfs to things such as stealth (omg they went invisible, I can’t do anything), longbow ranger, lich form, minion master, etc.

How many new players actually complain about D/D ele compared to any of those other things?

I think the best way to counter this is to have a really good tutorial system in-game. Not like the current one lol. Also maybe a link to metabattle.com….

F2P cant comment on these forums… So the feedback wont reach anet. :p

This is great news, I did a post about this a few days ago about leagues and the relation to F2P. A big step in the right direction, next step is now to separate pvp balance from pve.

King elementalist, knight mesmer, joker thief and peasant other classes

Let’s be honest, the F2P in this game is nothing more than a glorified trial. I doubt it will change anything in PVP.

Photinous.4628:

Let’s be honest, the F2P in this game is nothing more than a glorified trial.

Not really. In PvP the F2P-players can basically do everything important every core-player does. The only difference is to the HoT-players, who can also take advantage of the elite-specialization and the revenant…

GrandHaven.1052:

Let’s hope an influx of good natured players enter and motivate ANET to actually fix stuff!

:)

Let’s hope not to get them in my team more likely…

Photinous.4628:

Let’s be honest, the F2P in this game is nothing more than a glorified trial. I doubt it will change anything in PVP.

They can do EVERYTHING in game besides the TP. So I don’t see what you are referring to.

That moment you see the words “Free to play” and you get the biggest smile and say to yourself in a psychopathic way “Time to go kick some newbie kitten ”

Glitchfull.5826:

That moment you see the words “Free to play” and you get the biggest smile and say to yourself in a psychopathic way "Time to go kick some newbie kitten

Looks like im not alone hahhah

Glitchfull.5826:

That moment you see the words “Free to play” and you get the biggest smile and say to yourself in a psychopathic way "Time to go kick some newbie kitten

then you get 4 f2p pugs in your team cause they gonna start with decent mmr even if they can’t do crap (Like any new player cuz anet knows what’s up as usual)

how bout dat?

i want this game’s pvp content become totally f2p and also export the game all over the world xD, to maximize esport

Not sure how I feel about this it’s a two way street but if everything turns bad PvP will be the least affected. This should bring in fresh body bags so maybe queue and mode separation are coming soon.

New player accessibility has been a crippling problem to SPvP for a long time. I think that the new model is going to call for a hard look a how things are at the lower end of the ladder.

I think certain mechanics (like stealth) are going to be high value targets for change. The vocal SPvP community is a minority at the moment. I suspect that maybe 2% play at the level we see on twitch broadcasted tournaments.

For the other 98% of the player base, things like instakills, stealth abuse, immortal builds (D/D ele), permadodge coming with Daredevil. These kind of mechanics are going to create a very unfriendly atmosphere of trolling to new players.

I am looking forward to change and the boards being flooded with complaints.

I’m really excited about this. F2P is probably the single best thing they could have done to revive and strenghten the (balance aside, great and fun) PVP in this game.

Really hope to see lots of new players.

PVP will benefit the most from F2P only if elite specs don’t become meta.

Glitchfull.5826:

That moment you see the words “Free to play” and you get the biggest smile and say to yourself in a psychopathic way "Time to go kick some newbie kitten

yeah imma get some of my guild mates together and farm them in unranked.

Archaon.9524:

Glitchfull.5826:

That moment you see the words “Free to play” and you get the biggest smile and say to yourself in a psychopathic way "Time to go kick some newbie kitten

then you get 4 f2p pugs in your team cause they gonna start with decent mmr even if they can’t do crap (Like any new player cuz anet knows what’s up as usual)

how bout dat?

form a party with 4 other trusted mates.
match making will still pit your team of 5 against 5 solos f2p players.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

You do realise that if anet listened to all the new player complaints, it would result in nerfs to things such as stealth (omg they went invisible, I can’t do anything), longbow ranger, lich form, minion master, etc.

How many new players actually complain about D/D ele compared to any of those other things?

They can’t even use the forums so who cares. Either they learn how to play and keep playing or they complain to themselves and stop playing.

GrandHaven.1052:

Tao.1234:

Looks like ~50% winning ratio is going to drop quite fast and significantly.

Uh. Not sure how you got to that conclusion?

Because the vast majority of players in Guild Wars 2 are honestly not that good?

Vanthian.9267:

GrandHaven.1052:

Tao.1234:

Looks like ~50% winning ratio is going to drop quite fast and significantly.

Uh. Not sure how you got to that conclusion?

Because the vast majority of players in Guild Wars 2 are honestly not that good?

Not quite relevant to your win rate…

GrandHaven.1052:

Vanthian.9267:

GrandHaven.1052:

Tao.1234:

Looks like ~50% winning ratio is going to drop quite fast and significantly.

Uh. Not sure how you got to that conclusion?

Because the vast majority of players in Guild Wars 2 are honestly not that good?

Not quite relevant to your win rate…

F2P have an access to ranked upon reaching Rank 20.

You expect them to be even slightly good with only one class?

F2P won’t benefit pvp. It will just be more people to quit when they realise how lame most of the mechanics are. Probably will just lead to even more bad word of mouth.

Lordrosicky.5813:

F2P won’t benefit pvp. It will just be more people to quit when they realise how lame most of the mechanics are. Probably will just lead to even more bad word of mouth.

Lame are excuses for refusing to l2p.

And at some point it’s a good thing, because that means the Whining Alliance won’t be as strong as it looks to be.

F2P will only be good for PvP if elite specializations and Revenant are F2P in at least PvP or else you have a pay wall to be competitive.

Tao.1234:

Lordrosicky.5813:

F2P won’t benefit pvp. It will just be more people to quit when they realise how lame most of the mechanics are. Probably will just lead to even more bad word of mouth.

Lame are excuses for refusing to l2p.

And at some point it’s a good thing, because that means the Whining Alliance won’t be as strong as it looks to be.

Not really. Games are based on having fun. There are many lame things which can be learnt to play against but it might not be fair and it might not be FUN to counterplay certain things = everything in the game.

This idea that anyone who says something is lame/op has l2p issues is hilarious to me. I had everyone tell me that on these forums for 2 years even when I was the highest rated solo player in the entire game, with the best MMR. People still told me l2p.

#terriblelogic=deadgame

Shockwave.1230:

F2P will only be good for PvP if elite specializations and Revenant are F2P in at least PvP or else you have a pay wall to be competitive.

Not necessarily. Right now, I wouldn’t say any of the elite specs are more competitive than what we have now outside of Chronomancer. Berserker is also a possibility, tough to say there.

Revenant sure isn’t more competitive than existing professions.

Shockwave.1230:

F2P will only be good for PvP if elite specializations and Revenant are F2P in at least PvP or else you have a pay wall to be competitive.

Not at all.

Pay wall for MORE options, I doubt Revenant will be THAT good and if it is, it will need fixing.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Not really. Games are based on having fun. There are many lame things which can be learnt to play against but it might not be fair and it might not be FUN to counterplay certain things = everything in the game.

This idea that anyone who says something is lame/op has l2p issues is hilarious to me. I had everyone tell me that on these forums for 2 years even when I was the highest rated solo player in the entire game, with the best MMR. People still told me l2p.

#terriblelogic=deadgame

You know what kind of experience I got from gaming in mmos?

Stuff like Leaderboards, MMR, Tournaments are overrated – and heavily on top of that.

But I do agree that L2p pharse doesn’t suit everything.

If by counterpart which you call lame – tell me then, what would you prefer?
Current Combat system in Gw2, or combat system based on trinity stuff like evasion/accuracy/resistance stats?

For me, the latter is the worst case.

Lordrosicky.5813:

F2P won’t benefit pvp. It will just be more people to quit when they realise how lame most of the mechanics are. Probably will just lead to even more bad word of mouth.

With the amount of winning you do, i am surprised you haven’t completely left the game yet. Stockholm syndrome?

GrandHaven.1052:

Shockwave.1230:

F2P will only be good for PvP if elite specializations and Revenant are F2P in at least PvP or else you have a pay wall to be competitive.

Not at all.

Pay wall for MORE options, I doubt Revenant will be THAT good and if it is, it will need fixing.

Metas happen, metas happen because things shake out to be lower risk with higher reward. Elite specializations will end up being in meta team comps, meaning you’re restricting F2P players being competitive when that happens.

I don’t have faith that ANet will balance the game in a way that team comps of all F2P players can be on an equal playing field using their team comp against players who bought the game.

Looking at Herald by itself, it’s the only profession in the game with an AoE instant case reveal. That’s such a clutch ability to guarentee stomps. Are you really going to remove that tool from F2P players?

You can say, that “in this ideal world” it’s just different options. In reality given their balance history and in what they’ve shown thus far with the Elite Specializations and the Revenant profession, that is simply not the case. It is competitive advantage, especially if you want to counter comp between sets.

Shockwave.1230:

GrandHaven.1052:

Shockwave.1230:

F2P will only be good for PvP if elite specializations and Revenant are F2P in at least PvP or else you have a pay wall to be competitive.

Not at all.

Pay wall for MORE options, I doubt Revenant will be THAT good and if it is, it will need fixing.

Metas happen, metas happen because things shake out to be lower risk with higher reward. Elite specializations will end up being in meta team comps, meaning you’re restricting F2P players being competitive when that happens.

I don’t have faith that ANet will balance the game in a way that team comps of all F2P players can be on an equal playing field using their team comp against players who bought the game.

Looking at Herald by itself, it’s the only profession in the game with an AoE instant case reveal. That’s such a clutch ability to guarentee stomps. Are you really going to remove that tool from F2P players?

You can say, that “in this ideal world” it’s just different options. In reality given their balance history and in what they’ve shown thus far with the Elite Specializations and the Revenant profession, that is simply not the case. It is competitive advantage, especially if you want to counter comp between sets.

I thought the herald just reveals ONE target?

That seems pretty OP. Poor thieves.