Guild Wars 2

That’s it?

Couple of bug fixes?

The “Big PVP Balance Patch” is nothing more that underpants?

Or am I read reading the wrong patch notes?

Did they over hype the class changes? yes

Would i rather have them make changes on a small scale rather than drastic changes? yes

Wrong notes dude….

New map
Solo Que Implemented (question in a sec)
Ele’s minorly nerfed…?
Necro’s Buffed
100nades is dead
Frees instead of paids

But….that’s it….

No I was reading the same patch notes, and I see the same thing, I see a couple of Ele nerfs and the death of 100nades, a few professions got healing buffs?

In fact it looks like bunkers were just made a little better with the healing buffs?

I really like how they brought up all these builds into viability.
The thief S/D and P/P buffs look good.

Necro isnt really buffed as the only things buffed are things nobody would ever use currently. Looking foward to trying out the focus though :P And the emphatic bond fix makes us a strong class vs rangers now

And the ele has seen some clever nerfs. Its still the best, but maybe slightly less survivable with the RTL cd change (thank god) and the nerf to evasive arcana (which is still way op)

This patch literally does absolutely nothing to:

Thief Burst
Guard Bunkers
VERY SLIGHTLY nerfed Ele Bunkers
Warriors Still suck
Engi Turrets still useless
Necro Pets might be ok with buffs? Probs not due to bad AI.

The whole thing they talked about buffed weak builds while managing and scaling back strong builds…where is THAT patch. I’m just appalled.

Last month they didn’t balance anything so two months and we get some haphazard patch that does nothing to address 99% of the problems to class balance.

Slow and steady changes are great when they aren’t once every 1-2 months and the game is closer to balanced than it is to imbalanced. Their game is so brokenly staggered in build effectiveness and uselessness that sweeping changes are completely needed and also why we should have PTR to test such things.

Jumper is that sarcasm or sincere..?

Oh and Necros and Warriors still don’t rally.

At least temple got fixed

And wtf is portal….dead?!

Shisx.1658:

Did they over hype the class changes? yes

Would i rather have them make changes on a small scale rather than drastic changes? yes

I’m all for small scale changes, but the current pace of said changes is a joke. There should be a test server, and changes this minor should be introduced on a weekly basis to the test server – who cares if you break a class for a week on a test server, that’s the point of it. Let the players vet your changes, and deliver them in an acceptable timeline. It worked well in RIFT – regardless how you feel about anything else in the game, they had the right idea there. Constant tweaks to bring the game closer and closer to balance, a test server that players were excited to play on (because it meant their classes were being fixed) basically acting as unpaid playtesters, and most importantly, communicating with the community.

Nearly everyone was expecting this to be a balance patch. How did we come to be so mislead? Why isn’t there clear, constant communication between the players and the developers? Why does Anet feel it acceptable that most classes have at best 2 spec options (But usually 1) that is considered the clear “best” for TPvP 6 months in? Ladders and matchmaking will be fun for 2 weeks, before people remember that they’re still fighting a bunch of clone classes run by different players. Without spec diversity, this game might as well be an FPS.

See how things change then complain.
Ele’s have been changed and the Focus is a better weapon than it was before.
Rangers no longer clear everything under the sun.

My thief is sad, but I’ll live.
Only thing annoying me is how I saw nothing on my traps, wtf you gonna leave 2 bugged?
All in all, fine.

i hate to say this because i loved GW2 but… I put a lot of stock into this patch and it let me down 100%. Cya in march i guess, probably not though

Hail our new and old overlords, hail to the almighty bunker Ele HAIL ELE. I am not even kidding, literally almost every team runs a bunker Ele and its taking away so many options in terms of builds and compositions. GJ arenanet.

Lol at buffing minions when the ai is the worst in mmo history

Jumper.9482:

I really like how they brought up all these builds into viability.
The thief S/D and P/P buffs look good.

Yea man, and venomshare as well! You can now SEE that I’ve shared venom with you, OP!

Anyone ever listen to their live interviews? They don’t drastically change anything, its step by step. Otherwise it just skews things out of wack and playing wack a mole never fixed the playing table.

Rump Buffalo.2594:

This patch literally does absolutely nothing to:

Thief Burst
Guard Bunkers
VERY SLIGHTLY nerfed Ele Bunkers
Warriors Still suck
Engi Turrets still useless
Necro Pets might be ok with buffs? Probs not due to bad AI.

The whole thing they talked about buffed weak builds while managing and scaling back strong builds…where is THAT patch. I’m just appalled.

Last month they didn’t balance anything so two months and we get some haphazard patch that does nothing to address 99% of the problems to class balance.

Slow and steady changes are great when they aren’t once every 1-2 months and the game is closer to balanced than it is to imbalanced. Their game is so brokenly staggered in build effectiveness and uselessness that sweeping changes are completely needed and also why we should have PTR to test such things.

A thief is supposed to burst, he can be bursted aswell remember that.
A guardian is supposed to bunk.
Agreed.
Warriors are the most balanced class imo, they’re very good if well played.
No they’re not.
Agreed, the AI is embarassing.

Why would 100 nades be dead?

Rump Buffalo.2594:

This patch literally does absolutely nothing to:

Thief Burst
Guard Bunkers
VERY SLIGHTLY nerfed Ele Bunkers
Warriors Still suck
Engi Turrets still useless
Necro Pets might be ok with buffs? Probs not due to bad AI.

The whole thing they talked about buffed weak builds while managing and scaling back strong builds…where is THAT patch. I’m just appalled.

Last month they didn’t balance anything so two months and we get some haphazard patch that does nothing to address 99% of the problems to class balance.

Slow and steady changes are great when they aren’t once every 1-2 months and the game is closer to balanced than it is to imbalanced. Their game is so brokenly staggered in build effectiveness and uselessness that sweeping changes are completely needed and also why we should have PTR to test such things.

Nope – necro pets that got buffed were jagged horrors, those little useless creatures that only work to hinder necromancer. Most of the patch were fixes for this class, some bugs were reported in beta, so it took them six months to fix them.

The only minion buff was the 80% to blood fiends. Overall the patch was extreamly crappy – almost nothing was done, was this supposed to be the PvP patch? Or am I mixing something up, since I see more updates to pve as usual so during these 6 months pvp players got: 5×5 hotjoin, 2 new maps, 1 map tournament – sure that sounds reasonable in comparison towards numerous instances, world maps, items, etc that pve players got…

Im okay with these changes IF in the next patch they introduce the key features for e-sports and pplayers who want to play this game full time:
-Ladder
-Custom arenas(first mentioned in november! lol)
-monthly tournaments with the top teams or something in the style of league of legend’s LCS, so pros can have something to keep particing to.

I can’t believe they nerfed RTL on eles and pushed them further into bunkering instead of nerfing their bunker ability and gave them more options to play full dps. This is kitten

Mesmer portal is now LOS? with the same cd? and no other changes?

haha this is a kittening joke. they just killed portal in spvp.

what happened to making other weapons viable?

wheres the rankings and ladder?

this game is dead, thankfully wow expansion is only $20 now , cyas

NinjaEd.3946:

Anyone ever listen to their live interviews? They don’t drastically change anything, its step by step. Otherwise it just skews things out of wack and playing wack a mole never fixed the playing table.

I think we have seen how this philosophy has worked out for them. Players left en masse.

Lukin.4061:

Rump Buffalo.2594:

This patch literally does absolutely nothing to:

Thief Burst
Guard Bunkers
VERY SLIGHTLY nerfed Ele Bunkers
Warriors Still suck
Engi Turrets still useless
Necro Pets might be ok with buffs? Probs not due to bad AI.

The whole thing they talked about buffed weak builds while managing and scaling back strong builds…where is THAT patch. I’m just appalled.

Last month they didn’t balance anything so two months and we get some haphazard patch that does nothing to address 99% of the problems to class balance.

Slow and steady changes are great when they aren’t once every 1-2 months and the game is closer to balanced than it is to imbalanced. Their game is so brokenly staggered in build effectiveness and uselessness that sweeping changes are completely needed and also why we should have PTR to test such things.

Nope – necro pets that got buffed were jagged horrors, those little useless creatures that only work to hinder necromancer. Most of the patch were fixes for this class, some bugs were reported in beta, so it took them six months to fix them.

The only minion buff was the 80% to blood fiends. Overall the patch was extreamly crappy – almost nothing was done, was this supposed to be the PvP patch? Or am I mixing something up, since I see more updates to pve as usual so during these 6 months pvp players got: 5×5 hotjoin, 2 new maps, 1 map tournament – sure that sounds reasonable in comparison towards numerous instances, world maps, items, etc that pve players got…

I feel sad that you feel that way :/ but not everyone can be pleased at once, especially with how overwhelmingly difficult it is to keep 3 different types of players interested (pvp, pve, wvw). I just stand by patiently since this game isn’t anywhere near complete and yet we have soo much to do. Imagine what we will have in 6 months from now… Cantha? Ring Of Fire? Jormag? Esport(long shot but doable)? New wvw maps in rotation? who knows.

Zin.6170:

NinjaEd.3946:

Anyone ever listen to their live interviews? They don’t drastically change anything, its step by step. Otherwise it just skews things out of wack and playing wack a mole never fixed the playing table.

I think we have seen how this philosophy has worked out for them. Players left en masse.

Agreed, gw1 updates ust to kitten people off with dart board buffs/nerfs but at least it didnt really get stale and opened up a lot more options for strats and team comps. I wonder if they have ever been bored of their own game

dimyzuka.7051:

Mesmer portal is now LOS? with the same cd? and no other changes?

haha this is a kittening joke. they just killed portal in spvp.

what happened to making other weapons viable?

wheres the rankings and ladder?

this game is dead, thankfully wow expansion is only $20 now , cyas

kk bye! And they were talking about using the portal when it was placed ON an obstruction to get around that obstruction… All other things to do with portal such as placement range and so on ARE THE SAME. you can still use it without needing LOS.

This is the huge pvp update, really?
Suicide dear developer team!!!

dimyzuka.7051:

Mesmer portal is now LOS? with the same cd? and no other changes?

haha this is a kittening joke. they just killed portal in spvp.

what happened to making other weapons viable?

wheres the rankings and ladder?

this game is dead, thankfully wow expansion is only $20 now , cyas

Um wot?
Sounds like they just made it bound to the same rules as shadowstepping, so you can’t go where you shouldn’t be able to.

Anet need to learn how to interface with the community better because the way they approach this sort of thing is amateurish at best. The MMORPGs I have played the most in the past DAOC, Warhammer, and Rift the devs would share possible class balance changes with the player base literally months in advance and there would be give and take on both sides along with the player-base being able to test the proposed changes. Many times if the changes were deemed too much they were rolled back pre-patch or adjusted. The way they do things right now just won’t cut it.

Panda.1793:

Zin.6170:

NinjaEd.3946:

Anyone ever listen to their live interviews? They don’t drastically change anything, its step by step. Otherwise it just skews things out of wack and playing wack a mole never fixed the playing table.

I think we have seen how this philosophy has worked out for them. Players left en masse.

Agreed, gw1 updates ust to kitten people off with dart board buffs/nerfs but at least it didnt really get stale and opened up a lot more options for strats and team comps. I wonder if they have ever been bored of their own game

ensoriki.5789:

dimyzuka.7051:

Mesmer portal is now LOS? with the same cd? and no other changes?

haha this is a kittening joke. they just killed portal in spvp.

what happened to making other weapons viable?

wheres the rankings and ladder?

this game is dead, thankfully wow expansion is only $20 now , cyas

Um wot?
Sounds like they just made it bound to the same rules as shadowstepping, so you can’t go where you shouldn’t be able to.

It was made so you can’t interact with portal if there is an obstruction between you and the portal you are interacting with! Everything else is still the same… It can be placed and you can move around wherever you want and you don’t need any LOS anymore.

Anet? Facepalm! I’m running out of words. Quit!

Roll on next patch, nothing to see here.

anyone love how they made it seem like they added a solo queue system, but really just added a button to queue yourself solo only to play vs premades like usual.

I’m concerned myself that these balance changes are insufficient.

Way to says we have solo queue system now? Is this the solo queue system we all been hoping for?

If it is that we should be celebrating like it’s 2020

gwawer.9805:

Way to says we have solo queue system now? Is this the solo queue system we all been hoping for?

If it is that we should be celebrating like it’s 2020

nah

Sprawl.3891:

anyone love how they made it seem like they added a solo queue system, but really just added a button to queue yourself solo only to play vs premades like usual.

+1 It is the best part of the patch, made me lol for quite some time…

For those of you upset with the patch, what were you hoping for with regards to class balance? I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the patch, I’m just genuinely curious.

Sprawl.3891:

anyone love how they made it seem like they added a solo queue system, but really just added a button to queue yourself solo only to play vs premades like usual.

Strong developer troll is strong.

Jericho.4521:

For those of you upset with the patch, what were you hoping for with regards to class balance? I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the patch, I’m just genuinely curious.

Some actual balancing, weak skills to be buffed. Some overpowered skill to be nerfed so there can actually be variety among the little remaining pvp base. Hey long shot is long right, they don’t see $$ signs so expect Spvp to wreak until the next expansion right?

Sprawl.3891:

anyone love how they made it seem like they added a solo queue system, but really just added a button to queue yourself solo only to play vs premades like usual.

its legit alright.

instead of pressing ‘submit’ you now press “join solo” joinSOLO SOLO SOLO YOLO SOLO

just repeat that enough times and it becomes a legit solo que

They didn’t kill the 100nade build.

Some might think they made it better.

You lose your nails procs on toolkit, but you get a 10 seconde grenade barrage.

Now,

They nerfed to the ground any build that was set around kit refinement.

Kit refinement conditions build are dead. Not like anyone cried about it.

daydream.2938:

I’m concerned myself that these balance changes are insufficient.

Hater’s tears are the sweetest!
If you thought eles would have been destroyed..you thought wrong as I predicted most of you got a nasty surprise…like buffs to other weapon sets and d/d skills slighty changed…and there is more to come, so stay there and wait ^^ LOL!

jportell.2197:

It was made so you can’t interact with portal if there is an obstruction between you and the portal you are interacting with! Everything else is still the same… It can be placed and you can move around wherever you want and you don’t need any LOS anymore.

how do u know? and even if so that means there are 0 changes to mesmers in sPVP this patch?

and they don’t understand why people quit this stale crap.

in other mmos they release big pvp balance changes that make players want to come back to the game and test new specs etc

Mehlkee.6804:

Sprawl.3891:

anyone love how they made it seem like they added a solo queue system, but really just added a button to queue yourself solo only to play vs premades like usual.

Strong developer troll is strong.

Jericho.4521:

For those of you upset with the patch, what were you hoping for with regards to class balance? I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the patch, I’m just genuinely curious.

Some actual balancing, weak skills to be buffed. Some overpowered skill to be nerfed so there can actually be variety among the little remaining pvp base. Hey long shot is long right, they don’t see $$ signs so expect Spvp to wreak until the next expansion right?

I think they should have gone a bit further with buffing the weak stuff so we could see some more variety. Which skills do you think are too powerful though?

Hmm not another buff to spirit health? Seems they realized that they are crap and not even a health increase of about 1500% could make them viable.

So that is the PVP Update we waited for so long!? In the end its just a patch with less PVE content :>.

Didn’t they say this wasn’t suppose to be the big pvp patch though in their video? Correct me if I am wrong, but I swore the Jons said that in The State of Game 2nd video.

Yep. Big WvW and PvP patches in Jan & Feb.

hilarious patch, nothing more to say…

What i hoped the most from this patch was proper elo (or some variant) ladder. Got kitten. Big fat kitten. Pvp community will still seep away slowly, and by the time next patch hits there will be even less suckers hoping for something then this time around.

And quit whining about mesmer portal, its same as before you just cant INTERACT with it if there is a wall between you and it, doesnt mean it cant teleport you out of LoS when you manage to interact with it. It was a bug fix nothing else.

blah