Guild Wars 2

NOTE: Posted to the right forum this time, I blame brain bubbles.

Overcame the barrier of entry and sat down and started into real pvp (or at least quickjoin pvp) last Saturday, thought it would be fun to throw together my new-to-gameplay-mode player experience. (NOTE: One of the points below is a joke, don’t get too riled over it)

1) As a general rule, it’s intensely fun. I always suspected that sP and WvW were supposed to be the actual endgame, and now I’m convinced.
2) Even in pickup, the skill differential is nuts
3) Rangerpocalypse started a few days after I got into pvp, it seems fine to me with the main effect being the crazy number of rangers you see in random games right now. Teams of 4 with 3 rangers aren’t super-rare (and remember, pickup not themed teams). That aspect is bad enough that I feel too embarassed to play my own ranger.
4) The above is too bad because, the current form of the ranger is stupid fun to play. Even trying to escape when you get somebody in on you is pretty engaging.
5) Some ‘autojoin’ servers are set up with an organized team vs. pugs. It’s hard to tell, but these seem to be set up for farming rewards. Annoying, but there are plenty of other servers.
6) Even given the fact that most people don’t say anything at all in the quickjoin environment there has been an extremely small number of people being awful in the way you expect people to be in competitive gaming. I’ve seen (in probably 50 games over the week) 2 people be kittening babies, yelling at their teams and refusing to participate. This number is shockingly low.

7) I have a long long ways to go, even with relatively easy to use classes. It’s engaging enough to make it worth learning though.

8) You should be able to rally off of mesmer clones.

Windsagio.1340:

1) As a general rule, it’s intensely fun. I always suspected that sP and WvW were supposed to be the actual endgame, and now I’m convinced.
2) Even in pickup, the skill differential is nuts
3) Rangerpocalypse started a few days after I got into pvp, it seems fine to me with the main effect being the crazy number of rangers you see in random games right now. Teams of 4 with 3 rangers aren’t super-rare (and remember, pickup not themed teams). That aspect is bad enough that I feel too embarassed to play my own ranger.
4) The above is too bad because, the current form of the ranger is stupid fun to play. Even trying to escape when you get somebody in on you is pretty engaging.
5) Some ‘autojoin’ servers are set up with an organized team vs. pugs. It’s hard to tell, but these seem to be set up for farming rewards. Annoying, but there are plenty of other servers.
6) Even given the fact that most people don’t say anything at all in the quickjoin environment there has been an extremely small number of people being awful in the way you expect people to be in competitive gaming. I’ve seen (in probably 50 games over the week) 2 people be kittening babies, yelling at their teams and refusing to participate. This number is shockingly low.

7) I have a long long ways to go, even with relatively easy to use classes. It’s engaging enough to make it worth learning though.

8) You should be able to rally off of mesmer clones.

1) It only feels that way because all the relevant systems are in place/used for the fundamental mechanics in the game. In PvE, its all just dps. In PvP, there is WAY MORE variation. This lack of creating proper incentives in PvE is the biggest flop of GW2 and its design, IMO. Yet, instead of improving this aspect (BECAUSE ITS ACTUALLY FUN, ANET), they decide to dumb down the game further, creating more psudo content – congrats anet, you don’t understand what makes your game great.

2&5) Yeah its the worst part of the introduction to pvp. Really Anet should try and place their best foot forward for players like you. Unfortunately there is a need for some critical improvements. You nailed them.

6) I know. It’s really great that the nerd rage in GW2 is rather sparse, in comparison to many other competitive games out there right now. It’s rather amazing.

Windsagio.1340:

8) You should be able to rally off of mesmer clones.

This made me LOL. Clones have a base health of 3200. You would constantly be rallying. especially when they shatter.

Zerothousand.3089:

Windsagio.1340:

8) You should be able to rally off of mesmer clones.

This made me LOL. Clones have a base health of 3200. You would constantly be rallying. especially when they shatter.

Would serve those invisible kittens irght, imo

Lopez.7369:

If you’re one week into PvP and admittedly bad, you should not feel comfortable discussing balance.

Did I discuss balance in my post? I sure don’t remember that.

That being said, and since you brought it up, you have a very basic misunderstanding of how balance actually works. There are legitimate discussions of balance at all skill levels, and balance changes drastically between skill levels. Your experience of the game is not the only one that matters.

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In general, forum stuff aside, the base environment is SUPER friendly to new players, or at lest indifferent to them. This is nice.

A few other observatios I hadn’t thought o.

9) Most pickup games end with crazy uneven scores
10) If you stay on one server, the teams end up being the same. I have a pet theory that this is because people have consistent, but unique load times, so people tend to come in at autoselect at the same time if its the same people joining.
11) If you join a game late, you seem to fairly often come into a fight that’s 400-120, that’s a little disheartening ><

At Point 8. Mesmer clones have to low hp that would be a stupid idea.
But i wish i could rally if i kill the AI from MM Necro or Tower Engi’s

Ps: sry for my bad english it isnt my main language so

You should attempt to balance at all skill levels… however… higher end takes priority if you want your game to be taken seriously what so ever. The things that work at lower end should help gradually transition you into mid then high end. I would agree that some things such as turret eng don’t do this well in this regard and stay “good” too long and then the player is faced with a skill wall they now need to pick up.

Hotjoin (which is what it sounds like you’re going into) is meant as a testing ground for new builds/ideas/etc. Skill levels will vary wildly there, but it doesn’t matter since the end score is totally meaningless. Solo que a bit less so, tpvp less than that solo, but there will always be some variance, but that’s true for any game.

Roxx.8713:

At Point 8. Mesmer clones have to low hp that would be a stupid idea.
But i wish i could rally if i kill the AI from MM Necro or Tower Engi’s

Ps: sry for my bad english it isnt my main language so

No ralling from ai in pvp is a bad idea in general since it is really easy to burst down any of them.

The clone thing was the joke I referred to in the OP guys, it wasn’t serious, that would make mesmers a massive active detriment to any team ><

Edit: About hotjoin, yeah I get that. It’s where you hang out until you get used to things, I’m not past that point yet tho

No, they shouldn’t be balanced at all levels. Decent players know that mesmers are not op, whereas you would have people rallying off of 2 shot clones.

I know he edited it so people would absolutely know the clone thing was a joke, but I seriously question the intelligence of some people when they can’t see obvious sarcasm even if it’s in text.

NeXeD.3042:

I know he edited it so people would absolutely know the clone thing was a joke, but I seriously question the intelligence of some people when they can’t see obvious sarcasm even if it’s in text.

“You should be able to rally off mesmer clones” Wow such obvious sarcasm very ty

Muchacho.2390:

Roxx.8713:

At Point 8. Mesmer clones have to low hp that would be a stupid idea.
But i wish i could rally if i kill the AI from MM Necro or Tower Engi’s

Ps: sry for my bad english it isnt my main language so

No ralling from ai in pvp is a bad idea in general since it is really easy to burst down any of them.

I think you can rally off off thieves’ guild. I dont know if the patch changed it, but before that it worked.

I like this guy.

Browrain.7346:

NeXeD.3042:

I know he edited it so people would absolutely know the clone thing was a joke, but I seriously question the intelligence of some people when they can’t see obvious sarcasm even if it’s in text.

“You should be able to rally off mesmer clones” Wow such obvious sarcasm very ty

Yeah. It is very obvious considering anyone who has played pvp for more than 5 minutes can figure out how easy clones die. Here’s your sign.

Browrain.7346:

NeXeD.3042:

I know he edited it so people would absolutely know the clone thing was a joke, but I seriously question the intelligence of some people when they can’t see obvious sarcasm even if it’s in text.

“You should be able to rally off mesmer clones” Wow such obvious sarcasm very ty

" (NOTE: One of the points below is a joke, don’t get too riled over it)"

That was in the OP and wasn’t even an edit, I wrote it from the start.

On a more serious note, I gave up and just went with my ranger, its what I’m most comfortable with from pve too.

I feel bad, kind of, but the current longbow is just too interesting as a weapon (with the way skills 3 and 4 work) to not get some fun out of it.

Also, much better asset to a team >< I don’t wanna be hurting other players on my team to prove a stupid point of ego.

Ahh so it was even more obvious than i thought lol….

NeXeD.3042:

Ahh so it was even more obvious than i thought lol….

No it wasn’t. It’s hard to detect sarcasm from text compared to in real life anyways. Nt

So he said in his post that one of his comments is a joke and you thought it was some other comment and not the ridiculously game breaking one? Nt.

NeXeD.3042:

So he said in his post that one of his comments is a joke and you thought it was some other comment and not the ridiculously game breaking one? Nt.

Are you dumb? I was referring to before he addressed there was any sort of joke in his OP at all.

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

The devs should only balance the game based off the highest levels of play! If lower skilled players dictated the balance direction then Heartseeker would probably do no damage and cost 8 initiative, useless turret builds will be even more useless, and probably other horrible things that Vee Wee does not even want to think about!

Oh yeah! Welcome to PvP! Hope to see you in a tourney soon!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Wind I am glad you are enjoying pvp! I think it is gw2’s best feature by far. I’d say that after you know what your skills do and a basic rotation ditch the hot joins. You will learn much faster playing with stable teams that are focusing on objectives over kills, even if you get smashed the first couple games.

Also I thought your mesmer clone comment was funny. I dunno why these guys are ragging on you so hard for it.

ArrDee.2573:

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

The devs should only balance the game based off the highest levels of play! If lower skilled players dictated the balance direction then Heartseeker would probably do no damage and cost 8 initiative, useless turret builds will be even more useless, and probably other horrible things that Vee Wee does not even want to think about!

Oh yeah! Welcome to PvP! Hope to see you in a tourney soon!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Them talking about it is different than anet balancing primarily to their needs :p Also, seriously in games I’m actually competitive many of the real top players are notorious for up-playing and downplaying as appropriate.

Browrain.7346:

Are you dumb? I was referring to before he addressed there was any sort of joke in his OP at all.

I don’t want to get into a argument about this, it’s really an aside and I hate jokes gone awry. Still, the note about the joke was in the very original OP when I misposted it in general ><

Windsagio.1340:

Browrain.7346:

NeXeD.3042:

I know he edited it so people would absolutely know the clone thing was a joke, but I seriously question the intelligence of some people when they can’t see obvious sarcasm even if it’s in text.

“You should be able to rally off mesmer clones” Wow such obvious sarcasm very ty

" (NOTE: One of the points below is a joke, don’t get too riled over it)"

That was in the OP and wasn’t even an edit, I wrote it from the start.

Are you dumb?

ArrDee.2573:

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

The devs should only balance the game based off the highest levels of play! If lower skilled players dictated the balance direction then Heartseeker would probably do no damage and cost 8 initiative, useless turret builds will be even more useless, and probably other horrible things that Vee Wee does not even want to think about!

Oh yeah! Welcome to PvP! Hope to see you in a tourney soon!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

This explains better than I can why you need to balance at lower skill levels and listen to your lesser skilled players. That doesn’t mean you always do what they say by any means though. Top end should be given higher balance priority though.

NeXeD.3042:

Windsagio.1340:

Browrain.7346:

NeXeD.3042:

I know he edited it so people would absolutely know the clone thing was a joke, but I seriously question the intelligence of some people when they can’t see obvious sarcasm even if it’s in text.

“You should be able to rally off mesmer clones” Wow such obvious sarcasm very ty

" (NOTE: One of the points below is a joke, don’t get too riled over it)"

I just…. I don’t see how you’re not getting this… It’s hilarious that you’re on my followers list btw

That was in the OP and wasn’t even an edit, I wrote it from the start.

Are you dumb?

Either you have a reading comprehension problem or you are horribly dull troll. Good luck in you’re future misendeavors.

As far as the balance thing goes, I’m sorry but you have to balance at the highest levels to avoid breaking the game.

NeXeD.3042:

Either you have a reading comprehension problem or you are horribly dull troll. Good luck in you’re future misendeavors.

I have no idea how you can’t seem to understand this. And lol you’re on my follower list.

Come on Browrain, let’s get relax!!

So… I just feel, mister Browrain, like you came for me. Like I’m not sure when but I really feel like you did come for me at some point, at some time…

NeXeD.3042:

As far as the balance thing goes, I’m sorry but you have to balance at the highest levels to avoid breaking the game.

Lets drop the balancce thing, it’s a complex issue to say the least, and it wasn’t my point except as a joke <>

i was told if you have nothing good to say in chat dont even bother saying anything. thats why i just ignore everyone who talk kitten. knowing that he’s raging and QQing when we lose is fun for me :P also i tend to purposely lose the match when someone i dont like is in my team since i dont care bout ladder or even rank points. <3

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

i was told if you have nothing good to say in chat dont even bother saying anything. thats why i just ignore everyone who talk kitten. knowing that he’s raging and QQing when we lose is fun for me :P also i tend to purposely lose the match when someone i dont like is in my team since i dont care bout ladder or even rank points. <3

I… I must admit, one of the people I saw was a guy named ‘Y Kratos Y’ (which means he wasn’t the first, or 10th person to want to name himself kratos). It’s not entirely right for me to do, but I did take some time to make fun of his name.

Windsagio.1340:

(NOTE: One of the points below is a joke, don’t get too riled over it)

2) Even in pickup, the skill differential is nuts

Is this the joke?