Guild Wars 2

So many matches with 4 v 5, why are matches made to 4v5 why is MMR setting up these matches? What calculation is used to determine a match should be 4v5 and why has it not been adjusted?

But why is the system intentionally setting matches 4v5 i mean what kinda MMR does the 4 have to have to warrant such a match up? I seriously doubt rotations or poor mechanics have anything to do with it. Are you suggesting the low MMR players are put on the 4 side or 4v5 matches intentionally, That being the case the system is even more broken than i originally thought. Of all the things you listed i see none that would explain this, or are you suggesting it is win rate that does this well the current system does not encourage a high win rate if it did then i would do that but the current system encourages points and discourages a high win rate, playing the system as it was designed i did not design it,

This thread is horribly titled

4v5 results from a player disconnection or desertion. You don’t get put into 4v5 matches unless you’re in hotjoin, in which case my advice would be to stop doing that.

It must be intentional, there is nothing in place to stop or limit it of course it is intentional. Yes 4 v5 matches are started and finished at 4v5, if you have not experienced this perhaps it is your MMR, hence title of this topic

You’re wrong, and here is why. Everyone has to hit that “accept match” button when they get queued. If there are only 9 checkboxes there, the match doesn’t start and you are thrown back into queue. So at some point, someone is leaving and that’s why you are on a 4v5.

So looking at the check boxes when is the last time you saw all of them filled ? And compare that to the number of times match starts without them being full

Well, you don’t usually see the 10th one filled on your screen, you know it’s been filled because the map selection comes up.

Acandis stated it pretty clearly but allow me to try again, people with kittenty connections are going to be bad at this game and they are going to lose more games. So those people with crap connections are going to have a low MMR. As much as you bo… I mean “play” you just aren’t good As evidenced by your winrate. This means you also have a low MMR. So if you and the people who lose conn more often both have low MMRs you are both likely to get in games with each other more often than players that have a higher MMR. Therefore you are going to be in more games with people with kitten connections because you both share low MMRs resulting in you being in more 4v5 games as well as vice versa, you probably benefit from the 4v5s a decent amount more than I’m guessing you would be willing to admit.

If you stop bott….. I mean playing poorly your MMR may increase and you won’t be in games with people with kitten connections resulting in less 4v5 games.

I literally haven’t had a 4v5 game in a month or two.

So low MMR players are put on the 4 side of 4v5? So you are saying your high MMR puts you constantly on the 5 side of 4v5, see what i mean, fix this broken MMR, As far as check boxes are concerned you are saying there are 10 but the tenth never gets filled and is there for what reason?

Lexiceta.4156:

So low MMR players are put on the 4 side of 4v5? So you are saying your high MMR puts you constantly on the 5 side of 4v5, see what i mean, fix this broken MMR, As far as check boxes are concerned you are saying there are 10 but the tenth never gets filled and is there for what reason?

He’s saying 4v5 only exists if people leave and less people leave at higher mmr.

Lexiceta.4156:

So low MMR players are put on the 4 side of 4v5? So you are saying your high MMR puts you constantly on the 5 side of 4v5, see what i mean, fix this broken MMR, As far as check boxes are concerned you are saying there are 10 but the tenth never gets filled and is there for what reason?

No read what I said again, your full of kitten if you don’t admit that you also benefit from the 4v5s.

The 4v5 matchups or 5v4 matchups (is that clearer for you?) Happen more often in lower mmr matches.

If you got a higher mmr you would see them less often as high mmr players most likely have better connections and probably care a little more about the game.

You don’t see the 10th check box go because as soon as that persons checks it it switches immediately to the map screen, aka you don’t need to see it since the fact it even made it to the map screen means all 10 checked.

So you’re saying because 5 people benefit from 4v5 the system is justified in making these matches? I disagree. plus the system should not use low MMR to set these kind of matches, or are you saying the system can not detect 4v5 matches and therefore it is odds of winning system that is at fault?

Lexiceta.4156:

So you’re saying because 5 people benefit from 4v5 the system is justified in making these matches? I disagree. plus the system should not use low MMR to set these kind of matches,

What in the flying kitty of flying kittens are you talking about… please show where I said or even implied that. Stop putting words in the mouths of others and actually read what is being written I’m starting to think your forum acct is a bo…. bad poster.

I am reading what you wrote it offers no explanation of why these matches are set or explanation of why they are allowed to be played except for some hints about how 5 players benefit from 4v5 and that the system can not detect them.

bad troll is troll. I’m going to attempt one more time. The system does know when a disconnect in a game happens and it doesn’t count so it’s not benefiting anyone.

These matches are not set by some MMR god that has it out for players. It’s set by an algorithm. It’s not the algorithms fault that a player disconnects. That is entirely on the player. understand? The mmr algorithm finds 9 players with a similiar mmr puts the match together. Your accept screen pops up and all of 10 players accept. You choose a map, you are put into the game. the MMR algorithm has now done it’s job and the rest of the game matters entirely on the players. It is not anets or the algorithms fault if a player disconnects.

Now as far as you getting more 4v5s as you are claiming, it’s because you have a low MMR.

Th solution to your problem is to get a higher MMR.

Stop trolling it’s pathetic.

NO i am not getting more 4v5 and i never claim i was i was asking why some matches are set 4v5 and why the MMR or odds system can not detect them and why it allows them to continue.

bad troll is troll. I’m going to attempt one more time. The system does know when a disconnect in a game happens and it doesn’t count so it’s not benefiting anyone.

No one is talking about disconnects and sadly in that reguard you are incorrect disconnect matches do count

Lexiceta.4156:

NO i am not getting more 4v5 and i never claim i was i was asking why some matches are set 4v5 and why the MMR or odds system can not detect them and why it allows them to continue.

bad troll is troll. I’m going to attempt one more time. The system does know when a disconnect in a game happens and it doesn’t count so it’s not benefiting anyone.

No one is talking about disconnects and sadly in that reguard you are incorrect disconnect matches do count

The system won’t start a match 4v5 because it won’t start a match that all 10 people didn’t hit accept so yes you are talking about disconnects.

Then are are many matches when pressing B showing 4 v5 and why are they allowed to continue as such, welcome to the discussion finally, by the start of the match the relog timer has more than expired, why is the match allowed to continue

Because it has been made so that you can rejoin the match if you switch characters at the last second and load in just after the match starts. I don’t know why that’s necessary, but that’s where we are.

Pressing B upon entering a match shows 4 v5 this stays and the match continues even though the time required to reenter match in case of disconnect has expired

Acandis.3250
Lexiceta.4156:
Then are are many matches when pressing B showing 4 v5 and why are they allowed to continue as such, welcome to the discussion finally, by the start of the match the relog timer has more than expired, why is the match allowed to continue
This is a completely separate issue you’ve just arrived at, than the one you presented in your original thread.
Yes, maybe there should be some additional “warm up” time and if players don’t connect by the end, just boot everyone and restart the queue.
But godkitten , if this is what you were trying to say in the first place, I’m not sure how you expected anyone to understand that.

I must say in your original post i had no idea what you were talking about, matter of fact i still don’t, My original post was pretty clearly stating system established 4v5’s i am not sure how anyone could read that any differently. Instead some diatribe about how win rate has something to do with points or something equally as silly, besides your assumptions are poor very very few players have a win rate below.5% and win rate has nothing to do with the current system or the problem i am describing.

Your post asked why mmr is setting up these matches. We gave you reasons why it might look like mmr is the reason. We also said mmr is not responsible for setting up a 4v5 match because a game will not start as a 4v5 match. It may become a 4v5 match when a player disconnects after the match HAS ALREADY BEEN CREATED.

Many games start 4v5 pressing B upon entry reveals a 4v5 and upon game start over 1.5 mins later still is 4 v5 why is the game allowed to continue? Of course the game was set up by the match making rating what else would do it, and if they are not using MMR to set up matches what are they using

Lexi,
4v5 is like games played with you camping home on your ranger while you post in the forums and than distract your team by typing stupid drivel.

Lexiceta.4156:

Many games start 4v5 pressing B upon entry reveals a 4v5 and upon game start over 1.5 mins later still is 4 v5 why is the game allowed to continue? Of course the game was set up by the match making rating what else would do it, and if they are not using MMR to set up matches what are they using

maybe they load in before you and see you name and recognise how much of a whiner you are and alt-f4? you are getting a lot of people disconnecting on your team, maybe they just hate you?

So the cause is of MMR making matches 4v5 is that other players recognize players names, lmao this too funny. I guess it is beyond forums to try to help make matches better for all.

choovanski.5462:

Lexiceta.4156:

Many games start 4v5 pressing B upon entry reveals a 4v5 and upon game start over 1.5 mins later still is 4 v5 why is the game allowed to continue? Of course the game was set up by the match making rating what else would do it, and if they are not using MMR to set up matches what are they using

maybe they load in before you and see you name and recognise how much of a whiner you are and alt-f4? you are getting a lot of people disconnecting on your team, maybe they just hate you?

He’s bot….. playing most of the time.

So you are saying the system should make 4v5’s because there may be bots? That’s a new theory. Not sure how that helps anyone though