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It’s really pretty simple, all you need to do is move evasion part on staff Vault staff skill from the beginning to end of animation, because currently with all that condi spam you just end up being blinded/feared/stunned/knocked right before you land EVERY TIME in teamfight, making you deal pretty much 0 dmg on every vault.

Honestly, thief is still like the worst class in game, no reason ever to pick thief in your team as a captain over a revenant. Rev got same mobility yet he also got crazy teamfight presense…

Wasn’t daredevil supposed to give thieves exactly that? At least some teamfight presence?

Edit:
Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect/projectile block spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much. I wouldn’t mind those might stacks being removed in favor of unblockable/piercing honestly.

dragonkain.3984:

It’s really pretty simple, all you need to do is move evasion part on staff Vault staff skill from the beginning to end of animation, because currently with all that condi spam you just end up being blinded/stunned/knocked right before you land EVERY TIME in teamfight, making you deal pretty much 0 dmg on every vault.

Honestly, thief is still like the worst class in game, no reason ever to pick him in your team over a revenant. Rev got same mobility yet he also got crazy teamfight presense…
Wasn’t daredevil supposed to give thieves exactly that? At least some teamfight presence?

Only if they nerf the mobility.

No. No. No.

Thief damage (including pulminary impact) needs to drop before you buff their sustain. They already have a low CD block stunbreak, seemingly spammable evades, and incredible mobility. If you play thief well, you can fight in chaotic teamfights. And if not, then you can decap because you can get to a point and back to the fight faster than any profession. Good thieves sit back and support rather than getting into the thick of it. You only go in to finish off a target or once things are less hectic.

Thieves are better against condis than people think. You’ll need to sacrifice pulminary impact (you won’t need it if you’re running staff), but removing a condi when you evade on a 1 second CD is far stronger than it sounds. You can shadowstep to remove 3 condis. You can move all movement impairing condis when you dodge. Staff, has two evading skills. Use them. The amount of dodges you have is astonishing, so you really shouldn’t be getting hit by condi bombs, and if you are, you can cleanse them. Don’t just spam vault for damage if you need those evades.

God, I’m so sick of thieves thinking they still need buffs.

Zintrothen.1056:

No. No. No.

Thief damage (including pulminary impact) needs to drop before you buff their sustain. They already have a low CD block stunbreak, seemingly spammable evades, and incredible mobility. If you play thief well, you can fight in chaotic teamfights. And if not, then you can decap because you can get to a point and back to the fight faster than any profession. Good thieves sit back and support rather than getting into the thick of it. You only go in to finish off a target or once things are less hectic.

Thieves are better against condis than people think. You’ll need to sacrifice pulminary impact (you won’t need it if you’re running staff), but removing a condi when you evade on a 1 second CD is far stronger than it sounds. You can shadowstep to remove 3 condis. You can move all movement impairing condis when you dodge. Staff, has two evading skills. Use them. The amount of dodges you have is astonishing, so you really shouldn’t be getting hit by condi bombs, and if you are, you can cleanse them. Don’t just spam vault for damage if you need those evades.

God, I’m so sick of thieves thinking they still need buffs.

I agree with your post but what Staff thief doesn’t take Staff Master ? lol

Zintrothen.1056:

No. No. No.

Thief damage (including pulminary impact) needs to drop before you buff their sustain. They already have a low CD block stunbreak, seemingly spammable evades, and incredible mobility. If you play thief well, you can fight in chaotic teamfights. And if not, then you can decap because you can get to a point and back to the fight faster than any profession. Good thieves sit back and support rather than getting into the thick of it. You only go in to finish off a target or once things are less hectic.

Thieves are better against condis than people think. You’ll need to sacrifice pulminary impact (you won’t need it if you’re running staff), but removing a condi when you evade on a 1 second CD is far stronger than it sounds. You can shadowstep to remove 3 condis. You can move all movement impairing condis when you dodge. Staff, has two evading skills. Use them. The amount of dodges you have is astonishing, so you really shouldn’t be getting hit by condi bombs, and if you are, you can cleanse them. Don’t just spam vault for damage if you need those evades.

God, I’m so sick of thieves thinking they still need buffs.

pls show us ur amazing thief team fite gameplay

idk how you even managed to bring condition clears into this discussion when it’s about team fight lol, like somehow good condi clear = well he must be good at team fights!

You’re 100% correct, no need to pick Thief over a Rev in a team fight…

Thieves should be capping home then either +1 on mid or capping Far at the start then rotating to decap and +1 where ever possible throughout the rest of the game.

Sure, let’s buff thief for teamfights. Shortly after all the non-team fight usefulness of that class gets nerfed, of course. You can’t be best at everything, no matter how badly you’d wish for it.

Also, do you really think you can just jump in the middle of a huge melee while completely escaping any consequences?

TL;DR:
ITT: OP wants thieves to not only be the best mobility/roamer class, good at decapping, 1v1, and +1-ing, but also be the best tank that can go into the thick of it, deal huge damage, and leave unscathed.

Lolnope.

Astralporing.1957:

Sure, let’s buff thief for teamfights. Shortly after all the non-team fight usefulness of that class gets nerfed, of course. You can’t be best at everything, no matter how badly you’d wish for it.

Also, do you really think you can just jump in the middle of a huge melee while completely escaping any consequences?

TL;DR:
ITT: OP wants thieves to not only be the best mobility/roamer class, good at decapping, 1v1, and +1-ing, but also be the best tank that can go into the thick of it, deal huge damage, and leave unscathed.

Lolnope.

How is a class good at at decap or +1, that’s stuff anyone can do…

Thief isn’t even good at 1v1…

The only thing thief has is mobility and quick burst. You’re pretending like they’re the god that celestial elementalist was before HoT. You’re wrong.

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

tl/dr: don’t buff thief, nerfs mes/rev/druid moblity and reveal on 20 sec CD.

Staff doesn’t need buffs, if anything staff 5 needs a nerf. Thief is ok in role it fills but it is true they have no team fight presence. I would be ok with it but then we have revs and mesmers that have almost as much moblity and still great team fight capability. Then we also have druid with RTL on 15 sec that makes it almost impossible to get any decaps.

So, imo, mobility from those classes need a nerf if thief is to remain in their current state. Also, scrapper hammer needs a nerf, scrappers completely shut down thieves, it is even worse than medi guard hardcountering thieves pre HoT. Giving revs and scrappers 6 sec reveal on 20 sec CD was most idiotic idea i seen in past few years. Why not allow thief steal to disable half of spells on other classes for 6 sec- sounds balanced, doesn’t ?

If Anet thinks it is ok for those classes to have high moblity, then thief needs tools to survive in massive AOE spam we have atm, it means adding more broken passives that would grant thieves invuls, heals, blocks, condi cleanse etc. which would just make them broken imo.

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

Unload really shouldn’t be unblockable since the point of blocks is to mitigate bursts. Maybe make it unblockable under certain conditions like Haste making attacks unblockable for a couple of seconds.

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

If that’s your point of view than you need to get good at thief my friend… (I’m not even good myself)

Thief can 1v1 really well.
Thief can team fight but mostly +1 or Unload spam and stealth rezzes.
Thief can hold because thief can 1v1.

If thief has 2 ppl cornered onto point, means thief made game 3v4 on other points favouring thief team.

Unload spam doesn’t need any of that, you need to start looking at enemy skills and using yours accordingly. Does he have Magnetic Aura up? He does? Don’t use Unload.

A thief is not a Warrior or Rev where you can face tank, make mistakes and still win.

sephiroth.4217:

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

If that’s your point of view than you need to get good at thief my friend…

Thief can 1v1 really well.
Thief can team fight but mostly +1 or Unload spam and stealth rezzes.
Thief can hold because thief can 1v1.

If thief has 2 ppl cornered onto point, means thief made game 3v4 on other points favouring thief team.

Unload spam doesn’t need any of that, you need to start looking at enemy skills and using yours accordingly. Does he have Magnetic Aura up? He does? Don’t use Unload.

A thief is not a Warrior or Rev where you can face tank, make mistakes and still win.

You probably didn’t play this game for at least 2.5 years….

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

If that’s your point of view than you need to get good at thief my friend…

Thief can 1v1 really well.
Thief can team fight but mostly +1 or Unload spam and stealth rezzes.
Thief can hold because thief can 1v1.

If thief has 2 ppl cornered onto point, means thief made game 3v4 on other points favouring thief team.

Unload spam doesn’t need any of that, you need to start looking at enemy skills and using yours accordingly. Does he have Magnetic Aura up? He does? Don’t use Unload.

A thief is not a Warrior or Rev where you can face tank, make mistakes and still win.

You probably didn’t play this game for at least 2.5 years….

I’ve been playing every other class….

Like I said I’m not even good thief, this season is my first season ever playing thief in PvP, 42 wins out of 47 games.

But I can 1v1 every class on thief and win.
I can team fight, rotate and decap really fast thanks to mobility.
I can hold 2 sometimes 3 people on far point alone.
I can rez allies under shadow refuge or stomp when needed.
I apply fury swiftness might vigor plus 2 or 3 more boons to allies when I steal (so I steal stab/protection alot)
I spam Unload a lot when needed for might stacks or damage, 8k bursts with might stacks already seems OP to me and doesn’t need a further buff. Maybe, MAYBE bring back Ricochet.

Like I said, I’m not even good at thief. I just play the role.

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

If that’s your point of view than you need to get good at thief my friend…

Thief can 1v1 really well.
Thief can team fight but mostly +1 or Unload spam and stealth rezzes.
Thief can hold because thief can 1v1.

If thief has 2 ppl cornered onto point, means thief made game 3v4 on other points favouring thief team.

Unload spam doesn’t need any of that, you need to start looking at enemy skills and using yours accordingly. Does he have Magnetic Aura up? He does? Don’t use Unload.

A thief is not a Warrior or Rev where you can face tank, make mistakes and still win.

You probably didn’t play this game for at least 2.5 years….

And you should start visiting dueling servers. Thief is ridiculous 1v1 atm but you have to be good at it.. Sorry, being good doesnt apply to forum warriors here. Its mostly qq spam fest.

Yeah Thief is currently decent at 1v1

It’s just too risky to do it in real matches, you know why ? Because Thief is super weak to getting +1 by the ennemy thief.

sephiroth.4217:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

If that’s your point of view than you need to get good at thief my friend…

Thief can 1v1 really well.
Thief can team fight but mostly +1 or Unload spam and stealth rezzes.
Thief can hold because thief can 1v1.

If thief has 2 ppl cornered onto point, means thief made game 3v4 on other points favouring thief team.

Unload spam doesn’t need any of that, you need to start looking at enemy skills and using yours accordingly. Does he have Magnetic Aura up? He does? Don’t use Unload.

A thief is not a Warrior or Rev where you can face tank, make mistakes and still win.

You probably didn’t play this game for at least 2.5 years….

I’ve been playing every other class….

Like I said I’m not even good thief, this season is my first season ever playing thief in PvP, 42 wins out of 47 games.

But I can 1v1 every class on thief and win.
I can team fight, rotate and decap really fast thanks to mobility.
I can hold 2 sometimes 3 people on far point alone.
I can rez allies under shadow refuge or stomp when needed.
I apply fury swiftness might vigor plus 2 or 3 more boons to allies when I steal (so I steal stab/protection alot)
I spam Unload a lot when needed for might stacks or damage, 8k bursts with might stacks already seems OP to me and doesn’t need a further buff. Maybe, MAYBE bring back Ricochet.

Like I said, I’m not even good at thief. I just play the role.

Then you must be better than Sind and Levin because i didn’t see them doing that in legend.

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

If that’s your point of view than you need to get good at thief my friend…

Thief can 1v1 really well.
Thief can team fight but mostly +1 or Unload spam and stealth rezzes.
Thief can hold because thief can 1v1.

If thief has 2 ppl cornered onto point, means thief made game 3v4 on other points favouring thief team.

Unload spam doesn’t need any of that, you need to start looking at enemy skills and using yours accordingly. Does he have Magnetic Aura up? He does? Don’t use Unload.

A thief is not a Warrior or Rev where you can face tank, make mistakes and still win.

You probably didn’t play this game for at least 2.5 years….

I’ve been playing every other class….

Like I said I’m not even good thief, this season is my first season ever playing thief in PvP, 42 wins out of 47 games.

But I can 1v1 every class on thief and win.
I can team fight, rotate and decap really fast thanks to mobility.
I can hold 2 sometimes 3 people on far point alone.
I can rez allies under shadow refuge or stomp when needed.
I apply fury swiftness might vigor plus 2 or 3 more boons to allies when I steal (so I steal stab/protection alot)
I spam Unload a lot when needed for might stacks or damage, 8k bursts with might stacks already seems OP to me and doesn’t need a further buff. Maybe, MAYBE bring back Ricochet.

Like I said, I’m not even good at thief. I just play the role.

Then you must be better than Sind and Levin because i didn’t see them doing that in legend.

I don’t even know who they are but I’m assuming you’re referencing a pro team who fight other pro teams yes?

I’m just a pug in solo q matched against other pugs. I’m assuming they could do that too if matched against other pugs without a Teamspeak to easily track enemy movements.

I really hate to say this but I don’t think such comments/rants are coming from any of the real thief-only players but some players who haven’t played thief long enough or had enough practice or getting stomped and learn in the process.

Leave Thief as it is.

Thief does not need buff, instead, make other classes to work not as easy in pvp in an interesting way especially in teamfights to create more satisfying plays overall.

Yes, I feel your pain for having a class in your team that you regard as useless because Thief is indeed very punishing if not being played properly. In some cases, the team has to adjust their style to give the thief an opportunity to do his job.

sephiroth.4217:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

If that’s your point of view than you need to get good at thief my friend…

Thief can 1v1 really well.
Thief can team fight but mostly +1 or Unload spam and stealth rezzes.
Thief can hold because thief can 1v1.

If thief has 2 ppl cornered onto point, means thief made game 3v4 on other points favouring thief team.

Unload spam doesn’t need any of that, you need to start looking at enemy skills and using yours accordingly. Does he have Magnetic Aura up? He does? Don’t use Unload.

A thief is not a Warrior or Rev where you can face tank, make mistakes and still win.

You probably didn’t play this game for at least 2.5 years….

I’ve been playing every other class….

Like I said I’m not even good thief, this season is my first season ever playing thief in PvP, 42 wins out of 47 games.

But I can 1v1 every class on thief and win.
I can team fight, rotate and decap really fast thanks to mobility.
I can hold 2 sometimes 3 people on far point alone.
I can rez allies under shadow refuge or stomp when needed.
I apply fury swiftness might vigor plus 2 or 3 more boons to allies when I steal (so I steal stab/protection alot)
I spam Unload a lot when needed for might stacks or damage, 8k bursts with might stacks already seems OP to me and doesn’t need a further buff. Maybe, MAYBE bring back Ricochet.

Like I said, I’m not even good at thief. I just play the role.

Then you must be better than Sind and Levin because i didn’t see them doing that in legend.

I don’t even know who they are but I’m assuming you’re referencing a pro team who fight other pro teams yes?

I’m just a pug in solo q matched against other pugs. I’m assuming they could do that too if matched against other pugs without a Teamspeak to easily track enemy movements.

No, i am talking about normal matches in legend and not pro team vs pro team. I faced levin and sind frequently and by all means they are best thieves on EU atm and i don’t see them doing what you claim you can do.

Burtnik.5218:

And you should start visiting dueling servers. Thief is ridiculous 1v1 atm but you have to be good at it.. Sorry, being good doesnt apply to forum warriors here. Its mostly qq spam fest.

Ridicilous 1v1 vs who exactly? Mesmers? Other thieves? What about scrappers. I love how you assume how good other posters are or not. Who are you to judge exactly?

You have some 1v1 potential when you don’t build to outrun and decap by spamming dodge. You also have some more team fight presence because your evade hurts. Just get into the habbit of switching from aggressive to defensive earlier... Which is around the same time you would have done so in metas before HoT anyway. Of course, the better you time those evades and the better you apply that extra damage potential, the less pressure they will be able to put out. It all adds up.

Bound is actually the key trait here for many reasons. In addition to the things above, it also allows you to remain an "unwise focus target" because you can drop that target on your head with stealth so easily. Before HoT this was done with HS in BP. Of course now, that’s harder to pull off with all the cc spam. Bound, is of course, a leap with an evade frame for the duration. The only thing that can interrupt it is an on-hit cc effect like static aura, static field, nightmare rune #6 and some of those mind-numbingly stupid traits like eye for an eye.

Do you still need to back out after a few hits and wait for a good time to jump in? Usually, yes. But hasn’t this always been the case? That being said, the added support strength can allow you to hang in there a bit longer if you have someone on the ropes. The point is though, at least you retain that stealth back-out ability, which also begs the question, "Is the thief still in this fight?" And provides that window for easy re-positioning. The ability thieves had before HoT wasn’t lost, it just isn’t being utilized.

During the first season, against any decent group, you had no choice really but to run most of the time (but to be fair, again, in that case why spec for it instead of at least try to be effective or just re-roll?) It’s not the first season anymore.

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

If that’s your point of view than you need to get good at thief my friend…

Thief can 1v1 really well.
Thief can team fight but mostly +1 or Unload spam and stealth rezzes.
Thief can hold because thief can 1v1.

If thief has 2 ppl cornered onto point, means thief made game 3v4 on other points favouring thief team.

Unload spam doesn’t need any of that, you need to start looking at enemy skills and using yours accordingly. Does he have Magnetic Aura up? He does? Don’t use Unload.

A thief is not a Warrior or Rev where you can face tank, make mistakes and still win.

You probably didn’t play this game for at least 2.5 years….

I’ve been playing every other class….

Like I said I’m not even good thief, this season is my first season ever playing thief in PvP, 42 wins out of 47 games.

But I can 1v1 every class on thief and win.
I can team fight, rotate and decap really fast thanks to mobility.
I can hold 2 sometimes 3 people on far point alone.
I can rez allies under shadow refuge or stomp when needed.
I apply fury swiftness might vigor plus 2 or 3 more boons to allies when I steal (so I steal stab/protection alot)
I spam Unload a lot when needed for might stacks or damage, 8k bursts with might stacks already seems OP to me and doesn’t need a further buff. Maybe, MAYBE bring back Ricochet.

Like I said, I’m not even good at thief. I just play the role.

Then you must be better than Sind and Levin because i didn’t see them doing that in legend.

I don’t even know who they are but I’m assuming you’re referencing a pro team who fight other pro teams yes?

I’m just a pug in solo q matched against other pugs. I’m assuming they could do that too if matched against other pugs without a Teamspeak to easily track enemy movements.

No, i am talking about normal matches in legend and not pro team vs pro team. I faced levin and sind frequently and by all means they are best thieves on EU atm and i don’t see them doing what you claim you can do.

Burtnik.5218:

And you should start visiting dueling servers. Thief is ridiculous 1v1 atm but you have to be good at it.. Sorry, being good doesnt apply to forum warriors here. Its mostly qq spam fest.

Ridicilous 1v1 vs who exactly? Mesmers? Other thieves? What about scrappers. I love how you assume how good other posters are or not. Who are you to judge exactly?

Ah, I’m NA not EU. I’ve heard the play styles and skill floor are different between the 2.
Not sure what Legendary rank is over in EU but in NA it’s mostly PvE players who were able to boost through the ranks with lucky match making because they have’nt played long enough to establish a 50/50 w/l ratio.1

Dunno about other thieves but in order of easiest to hardest to kill its:

Mesmers
Rev
Other Thieves
Necros
DH
Elementalist
Druid
Scrapper
Condi War.

Again, that’s my list.

Any thieves out there that could give some pointers to go against a condi war would be nice, I do struggle with them a bit. Best I can do is kite and unload spam

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

If that’s your point of view than you need to get good at thief my friend…

Thief can 1v1 really well.
Thief can team fight but mostly +1 or Unload spam and stealth rezzes.
Thief can hold because thief can 1v1.

If thief has 2 ppl cornered onto point, means thief made game 3v4 on other points favouring thief team.

Unload spam doesn’t need any of that, you need to start looking at enemy skills and using yours accordingly. Does he have Magnetic Aura up? He does? Don’t use Unload.

A thief is not a Warrior or Rev where you can face tank, make mistakes and still win.

You probably didn’t play this game for at least 2.5 years….

I’ve been playing every other class….

Like I said I’m not even good thief, this season is my first season ever playing thief in PvP, 42 wins out of 47 games.

But I can 1v1 every class on thief and win.
I can team fight, rotate and decap really fast thanks to mobility.
I can hold 2 sometimes 3 people on far point alone.
I can rez allies under shadow refuge or stomp when needed.
I apply fury swiftness might vigor plus 2 or 3 more boons to allies when I steal (so I steal stab/protection alot)
I spam Unload a lot when needed for might stacks or damage, 8k bursts with might stacks already seems OP to me and doesn’t need a further buff. Maybe, MAYBE bring back Ricochet.

Like I said, I’m not even good at thief. I just play the role.

Then you must be better than Sind and Levin because i didn’t see them doing that in legend.

I don’t even know who they are but I’m assuming you’re referencing a pro team who fight other pro teams yes?

I’m just a pug in solo q matched against other pugs. I’m assuming they could do that too if matched against other pugs without a Teamspeak to easily track enemy movements.

No, i am talking about normal matches in legend and not pro team vs pro team. I faced levin and sind frequently and by all means they are best thieves on EU atm and i don’t see them doing what you claim you can do.

Burtnik.5218:

And you should start visiting dueling servers. Thief is ridiculous 1v1 atm but you have to be good at it.. Sorry, being good doesnt apply to forum warriors here. Its mostly qq spam fest.

Ridicilous 1v1 vs who exactly? Mesmers? Other thieves? What about scrappers. I love how you assume how good other posters are or not. Who are you to judge exactly?

Your posts telling me everything to know what kind of player im facing. The fact alone that you think thief is weak 1v1 only proves what i said. Bringing up scrapper is just beyond laughable at this point as engi was always hardcountering thief and everyone knows it, it feels like you trying to make a thief look as weak duelist by mentioning scrapper, defense mechanic triggered i guess. I guess thief will be viable only when you will be able to go and faceroll any class/build 1v1 without even looking at what your opponent is doing. Also, dont ask about stuff which you dont really want to know.

Thief is currently the best class in the game. Is it overpowered? No. Is it easy to play? Not at all. Is it currently capable of solo winning games and team fights if you’re good at it? Yeah(assuming your team is moderately competent – aka almost never in ranked matchmaking).

The class is incredibly strong and back to it’s vanilla glory days again. It also can beat most classes 1v1, when it couldn’t do that during vanilla celestial meta.

Thief is very very powerful and I’m not sure why people are slow at realizing this. Maybe because thief is the only class remaining that takes skill to be good and useful at.

Shiyo.3578:

Thief is currently the best class in the game. Is it overpowered? No. Is it easy to play? Not at all. Is it currently capable of solo winning games and team fights if you’re good at it? Yeah(assuming your team is moderately competent – aka almost never in ranked matchmaking).

The class is incredibly strong and back to it’s vanilla glory days again. It also can beat most classes 1v1, when it couldn’t do that during vanilla celestial meta.

Thief is very very powerful and I’m not sure why people are slow at realizing this. Maybe because thief is the only class remaining that takes skill to be good and useful at.

It might be fun to play and be extremely useful in the proper hands, but to say best class in the game is a bit of a stretch. Ele has more abilities as well as group cleanse, healing, and can create big no-go zones for a time and has an invuln.

Burtnik.5218:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

Cynz.9437:

sephiroth.4217:

dragonkain.3984:

Sigh So many casuals swarmed the topic already…

What I said is that thief is un-viable in competitive play, it’s simply the weakest class in the game at the moment, every team captain knows it.
Rly, why would u pick thief in your team if u can get a revenant that does same thing as thief (making offnode fights 1v2 with easy kills) and does it even better than thief thanks to revealed skill YET revenant has crazy teamfight presense and rocks 1v1 against many classes (except necroses/mesmers condi meta users)

For people who don’t see a picture from both thief and non-thief perspective plz don’t respond to this. Because u don’t get how useless he actually is and you notice them only when they finish you off thanks to you letting yourself get below 50% hp without paying attention to enemy rotations.

So far thief is:
Can’t 1v1
Can’t teamfight
Can’t hold

Can run around waiting for enemy to get low but revenant can do the same yet rev can do all what thief can’t

Can decap

That decap thing is easily solved by putting solo engies/rangers/eles/mesmers on node where they will simply chill and watch and laugh at thief running around while he’s being useless.

Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much.

/endofthiefclassreview

If that’s your point of view than you need to get good at thief my friend…

Thief can 1v1 really well.
Thief can team fight but mostly +1 or Unload spam and stealth rezzes.
Thief can hold because thief can 1v1.

If thief has 2 ppl cornered onto point, means thief made game 3v4 on other points favouring thief team.

Unload spam doesn’t need any of that, you need to start looking at enemy skills and using yours accordingly. Does he have Magnetic Aura up? He does? Don’t use Unload.

A thief is not a Warrior or Rev where you can face tank, make mistakes and still win.

You probably didn’t play this game for at least 2.5 years….

I’ve been playing every other class….

Like I said I’m not even good thief, this season is my first season ever playing thief in PvP, 42 wins out of 47 games.

But I can 1v1 every class on thief and win.
I can team fight, rotate and decap really fast thanks to mobility.
I can hold 2 sometimes 3 people on far point alone.
I can rez allies under shadow refuge or stomp when needed.
I apply fury swiftness might vigor plus 2 or 3 more boons to allies when I steal (so I steal stab/protection alot)
I spam Unload a lot when needed for might stacks or damage, 8k bursts with might stacks already seems OP to me and doesn’t need a further buff. Maybe, MAYBE bring back Ricochet.

Like I said, I’m not even good at thief. I just play the role.

Then you must be better than Sind and Levin because i didn’t see them doing that in legend.

I don’t even know who they are but I’m assuming you’re referencing a pro team who fight other pro teams yes?

I’m just a pug in solo q matched against other pugs. I’m assuming they could do that too if matched against other pugs without a Teamspeak to easily track enemy movements.

No, i am talking about normal matches in legend and not pro team vs pro team. I faced levin and sind frequently and by all means they are best thieves on EU atm and i don’t see them doing what you claim you can do.

Burtnik.5218:

And you should start visiting dueling servers. Thief is ridiculous 1v1 atm but you have to be good at it.. Sorry, being good doesnt apply to forum warriors here. Its mostly qq spam fest.

Ridicilous 1v1 vs who exactly? Mesmers? Other thieves? What about scrappers. I love how you assume how good other posters are or not. Who are you to judge exactly?

Your posts telling me everything to know what kind of player im facing. The fact alone that you think thief is weak 1v1 only proves what i said. Bringing up scrapper is just beyond laughable at this point as engi was always hardcountering thief and everyone knows it, it feels like you trying to make a thief look as weak duelist by mentioning scrapper, defense mechanic triggered i guess. I guess thief will be viable only when you will be able to go and faceroll any class/build 1v1 without even looking at what your opponent is doing. Also, dont ask about stuff which you dont really want to know.

So let me get this straight, you call other posters bad because you disagree with them? THAT says a lot about you. I didn’t say thief is weak in 1v1 however it is last thing thief should look for in matches as they are just not great at it and there are classes that can do it ways better while holding point. It was also said that thief is “ridiculous strong” in 1v1 hence why i brought up scrapper as an example – if thief was as " ridicilous strong" as you claim they could also 1v1 scrapper easily, don’t you think?

Once again, where did i say thief is not viable? Don’t put words in my posts for the sake of flaming. THAT, once again, says a lot about you.

Oh i sure want to know what gives you right to judge other posters “skills” and flame them, otherwise i wouldn’t have asked.

Agemnon.4608:

Shiyo.3578:

Thief is currently the best class in the game. Is it overpowered? No. Is it easy to play? Not at all. Is it currently capable of solo winning games and team fights if you’re good at it? Yeah(assuming your team is moderately competent – aka almost never in ranked matchmaking).

The class is incredibly strong and back to it’s vanilla glory days again. It also can beat most classes 1v1, when it couldn’t do that during vanilla celestial meta.

Thief is very very powerful and I’m not sure why people are slow at realizing this. Maybe because thief is the only class remaining that takes skill to be good and useful at.

It might be fun to play and be extremely useful in the proper hands, but to say best class in the game is a bit of a stretch. Ele has more abilities as well as group cleanse, healing, and can create big no-go zones for a time and has an invuln.

Yeah, that’s true. The problem with ele is you’re only as good as your team, and with this games current matchmaking playing an ele outside of a premade is a big no-no and will result in anger and frustration.

Thief is really versatile and good. It can 1v1 a bunch of classes, it can decap, it can +1, it’s pretty ok in team fights too if you know what you’re doing.

Ele is by far the best class right now, you’re right, but from a pugging perspective I’d say ele is the WORST class to play, imo, and thief the best, again, imo.

“Thief can’t 1v1”
“Thief can’t teamfight”

I guess I didn’t get the memo :/

https://youtu.be/23hZaIhdN-Q

dragonkain.3984:

It’s really pretty simple, all you need to do is move evasion part on staff Vault staff skill from the beginning to end of animation, because currently with all that condi spam you just end up being blinded/feared/stunned/knocked right before you land EVERY TIME in teamfight, making you deal pretty much 0 dmg on every vault.

Honestly, thief is still like the worst class in game, no reason ever to pick thief in your team as a captain over a revenant. Rev got same mobility yet he also got crazy teamfight presense…

Wasn’t daredevil supposed to give thieves exactly that? At least some teamfight presence?

Edit:
Oh and another way to make thief viable in teamfights… Give Unload skill an unblockable and piercing tags. Pet/reflect/projectile block spam just makes it beyond worthless, even after recent buffs, which didn’t change anything pretty much. I wouldn’t mind those might stacks being removed in favor of unblockable/piercing honestly.

I main thief and there’s plenty of team fight potential for them you just can’t charge into kitten sand that’s basically wth any class thieves are calculated opportunists and when done right can really swing a team fight. I think they’re in a decent spot right now there are a few things they could fix to make them better but they’re not bad. I do just fine. I suggest practicing with friends in group fights to get a better feel for what’s going on in the group fight.

Guys… The point is NOT IF IT’S EVEN POSSIBLE to win 1v1 or teamfight with thief, the point is that there’s ALWAYS a better class to pick in your team over thief for any kind of job.

You want to win 1v1’s? Go scrapper.
You want to get easy 1v2 kills? Get rev
You want crazy teamfight presence? Get necro
Heck, even for quick decaps staff+bow ranger is far superior for that thanks to their super annoying knockback>root combo and great mobility.
And the list goes on.

The problem with thief is not that he’s non-existant in match, the problem is that there’s always more optimal class choice for your game plan, making choosing thief quite a mistake over other classes…

That’s why nobody wants to see thieves in their competitive lineups, and that is a problem in my opinion.

dragonkain.3984:

Guys… The point is not if it’s EVEN POSSIBLE to win 1v1 or teamfight with thief, the point is that there’s ALWAYS a better class to pick in your team over thief for any kind of job.

You want to win 1v1’s? Go scrapper.
You want to get easy 1v2 kills? Get rev
You want crazy teamfight presence? Get necro
And the list goes on.

The problem with thief is not that he’s non-existant in match, the problem is that there’s always more optimal class choice for your game plan, making choosing thief quite a mistake over other classes…
That’s why nobody wants to see thieves in their competitive lineups, and that is a problem in my opinion.

Your OP was about thief not being able to teamfight, but now you’re saying it’s everything else. Kinda contradicting yourself.

And no, there is not a class better than thief for mobility, decapping, +1ing, and bursting low targets. Thief can also 1v1, teamfight, and even hold points to extents. (All of this can even be found in one build)

The statement that there is always a better class for any kind of job a thief does is simply incorrect. There are classes that are better for some things, worse for others. That’s how classes work. They have strengths and weaknesses.

alchemyst.2165:

dragonkain.3984:

Guys… The point is not if it’s EVEN POSSIBLE to win 1v1 or teamfight with thief, the point is that there’s ALWAYS a better class to pick in your team over thief for any kind of job.

You want to win 1v1’s? Go scrapper.
You want to get easy 1v2 kills? Get rev
You want crazy teamfight presence? Get necro
And the list goes on.

The problem with thief is not that he’s non-existant in match, the problem is that there’s always more optimal class choice for your game plan, making choosing thief quite a mistake over other classes…
That’s why nobody wants to see thieves in their competitive lineups, and that is a problem in my opinion.

Your OP was about thief not being able to teamfight, but now you’re saying it’s everything else. Kinda contradicting yourself.

And no, there is not a class better than thief for mobility, decapping, +1ing, and bursting low targets. Thief can also 1v1, teamfight, and even hold points to extents. (All of this can even be found in one build)

The statement that there is always a better class for any kind of job a thief does is simply incorrect. There are classes that are better for some things, worse for others. That’s how classes work. They have strengths and weaknesses.

I don’t contradict myself, all I wanted is them give thief at least some utility in teamfights over being non-existant there to make this class at least worth picking, but I guess community is ok with never seeing this class in competitive…
Oh well, lets leave them to rot then, whatever.

dragonkain.3984:

Guys… The point is not if it’s EVEN POSSIBLE to win 1v1 or teamfight with thief, the point is that there’s ALWAYS a better class to pick in your team over thief for any kind of job.

You want to win 1v1’s? Go scrapper.
You want to get easy 1v2 kills? Get rev
You want crazy teamfight presence? Get necro
And the list goes on.

The problem with thief is not that he’s non-existant in match, the problem is that there’s always more optimal class choice for your game plan, making choosing thief quite a mistake over other classes…
That’s why nobody wants to see thieves in their competitive lineups, and that is a problem in my opinion.

In my opinion you are totally wrong. Skilled thieves are a terror, teamfighting is not what this class was built for. The mobility is unmatched, their burst is also very good if done properly and the elite insta kills enemies. Their ability to decap and return to outnumber is incredible and trust me, getting that decap doesn’t just chip your oponents from getting their points, but also gives you more time to react to your own mistakes (as a team, not an individual player).
The only real problem I see is that so many people are bad at thief.

You can have this. They will gut your damage, evade and mobility then.

A good thief can do really well in a team fight. I’ve seen them pop in and out of the melee and bursting people down.

If you want team fight potential then you should at least be ready to say goodbye to SB5, unhindered combatant, and revert the auto attack buffs. If thief gets legit bruiser sustain it’ll become essentially like rev in S1 where auto dmg on sword was absolutely broken.

Also, teefs are seen in competitive lineups where the heck have you been the last weeks of ESL S2?

Rekt.5360:

If you want team fight potential then you should at least be ready to say goodbye to SB5, unhindered combatant, and revert the auto attack buffs. If thief gets legit bruiser sustain it’ll become essentially like rev in S1 where auto dmg on sword was absolutely broken.

Also, teefs are seen in competitive lineups where the heck have you been the last weeks of ESL S2?

Maybe he’s someone who’s bad at playing thief and wants ANet to make them OP so he can be good?

BrotherBelial.3094:

Rekt.5360:

If you want team fight potential then you should at least be ready to say goodbye to SB5, unhindered combatant, and revert the auto attack buffs. If thief gets legit bruiser sustain it’ll become essentially like rev in S1 where auto dmg on sword was absolutely broken.

Also, teefs are seen in competitive lineups where the heck have you been the last weeks of ESL S2?

Maybe he’s someone who’s bad at playing thief and wants ANet to make them OP so he can be good?

Oh yeah, that’s been established the moment his opening post was read, and further emphasized when he proposed a buff like baseline piercing and unblockable unload., the L2P here is at an insane level.

inb4 new elite spec focused around buffing mates and healing (bunk ele cough cough)

i think they could do with some more debuffs though. something unique to thief and potent. all they really got is burst and mobility atm.

Meh, whatever, kittens always swarm threads of smart people talking about balance claiming their 5>2 nonstop spamming braindead class takes any skill to play (ROFL, such a complex playstyle indeed!). No it’s not a problem of me learning to play, it’s the fact that I see thieves in my/enemy team always being worthless piece of kitten, legend rank ofc.

Whatever, enjoy being useless thieves! Thankfully I play all classes and can enjoy rolling over any team with thief in their lineup without any problems, knowing that it’s an easy win.

dragonkain.3984:

Meh, whatever, kittens always swarm threads of smart people talking about balance claiming their 5>2 nonstop spamming braindead class takes any skill to play (ROFL, such a complex playstyle indeed!). No it’s not a problem of me learning to play, it’s the fact that I see thieves in my/enemy team always being worthless piece of kitten, legend rank ofc.

Whatever, enjoy being useless thieves! Thankfully I play all classes and can enjoy rolling over any team with thief in their lineup without any problems, knowing that it’s an easy win.

Cool story Bro.

A good thief can vet in the mix in middle. I’ve been in many a game where a good thief at middle was the only reason they could hold middle. With out the thief jumping in bursting down a member of my team, they lost middle every time. There thief was the exception, not the rule. Most thieves melt in seconds, normally because they don’t have a clue how to play there class. The amount of times I’ve melted a thief in a 1vs1 fight is really funny, but then a good thief can beat me. The problem with thieves is that for every good thief player, there are 10 bad. Coming to the forum and QQing about it makes you a bad player.

BrotherBelial.3094:

dragonkain.3984:

Meh, whatever, kittens always swarm threads of smart people talking about balance claiming their 5>2 nonstop spamming braindead class takes any skill to play (ROFL, such a complex playstyle indeed!). No it’s not a problem of me learning to play, it’s the fact that I see thieves in my/enemy team always being worthless piece of kitten, legend rank ofc.

Whatever, enjoy being useless thieves! Thankfully I play all classes and can enjoy rolling over any team with thief in their lineup without any problems, knowing that it’s an easy win.

Cool story Bro.

A good thief can vet in the mix in middle. I’ve been in many a game where a good thief at middle was the only reason they could hold middle. With out the thief jumping in bursting down a member of my team, they lost middle every time. There thief was the exception, not the rule. Most thieves melt in seconds, normally because they don’t have a clue how to play there class. The amount of times I’ve melted a thief in a 1vs1 fight is really funny, but then a good thief can beat me. The problem with thieves is that for every good thief player, there are 10 bad. Coming to the forum and QQing about it makes you a bad player.

Guess what, revenant can do the same, and even better than thief, gg wp?

BrotherBelial.3094:

dragonkain.3984:

Meh, whatever, kittens always swarm threads of smart people talking about balance claiming their 5>2 nonstop spamming braindead class takes any skill to play (ROFL, such a complex playstyle indeed!). No it’s not a problem of me learning to play, it’s the fact that I see thieves in my/enemy team always being worthless piece of kitten, legend rank ofc.

Whatever, enjoy being useless thieves! Thankfully I play all classes and can enjoy rolling over any team with thief in their lineup without any problems, knowing that it’s an easy win.

Cool story Bro.

A good thief can vet in the mix in middle. I’ve been in many a game where a good thief at middle was the only reason they could hold middle. With out the thief jumping in bursting down a member of my team, they lost middle every time. There thief was the exception, not the rule. Most thieves melt in seconds, normally because they don’t have a clue how to play there class. The amount of times I’ve melted a thief in a 1vs1 fight is really funny, but then a good thief can beat me. The problem with thieves is that for every good thief player, there are 10 bad. Coming to the forum and QQing about it makes you a bad player.

Guess what, revenant can do the same, and even better than thief, and he got ALOT more utility for himself/team too, gg wp?

I suggest you watch the video I linked. It shows teamfights, 1v1’s, and 2v1 point holding.

I also don’t think you understand that there is tradeoff involved. You can’t have everything at once. And there actually literally are teamfight options for thief, yet you keep acting like there are none. (Impact strike?)

Thief isn’t made for teamfighting. However, it most definitely can be done. You’re not going to be the best at it. You can’t have everything. We thieves already have the highest mobility in the game, even without a shortbow, Buffing thief would put it over the top.

If you speak about tradeoffs, why revenant can have it all, and thief can’t then? HUH?

And as I remember when devs revealed Daredevil class, their intention with it was to give more sustain to thief in TEAMFIGHTS, yet all we see is thief dying to random aoe spam if he tries to.

dragonkain.3984:

If you speak about tradeoffs, why revenant can have it all, and thief can’t then? HUH?

And as I remember when devs revealed Daredevil class, their intention with it was to give more sustain to thief in TEAMFIGHTS, yet all we see is thief dying to random aoe spam if he tries to.

Well, for starters, it doesn’t (any more), and second, if all you see is thief dying to random aoe spam, you’re witnessing pretty bad, not-so-smart thieves. Again, watch my video and look at the teamfights lol. Or just go into a PvP match with a decent diamond-legendary thief and watch them.

dragonkain.3984:

If you speak about tradeoffs, why revenant can have it all, and thief can’t then? HUH?

And as I remember when devs revealed Daredevil class, their intention with it was to give more sustain to thief in TEAMFIGHTS, yet all we see is thief dying to random aoe spam if he tries to.

Then your bad. You have stealth, lots of it. If people cant see you they can’t hit you, unless you stand where you where and don’t move, or are predictable. The only person who can make this better is you.

thief can opt for teamfight but they lose other stuff, and there are classes who does it good so thief opt for mobi and burst where they do best

don’t see problem

it actually is a problem since revenant is able to do the same with the difference that rev is also able to stay in teamfights and 2v2s. thief on the contrary can’t do anything apart from decaping and +1. considering now that thief +1 sucks against certain classes like scrapper and warrior it is pretty obvious that there is a problem.
considering that anet does not care, never did care and considering that pvp is dead anyways – it is kind of irrelevant, tho

dominik.9721:

it actually is a problem since revenant is able to do the same with the difference that rev is also able to stay in teamfights and 2v2s. thief on the contrary can’t do anything apart from decaping and +1. considering now that thief +1 sucks against certain classes like scrapper and warrior it is pretty obvious that there is a problem.
considering that anet does not care, never did care and considering that pvp is dead anyways – it is kind of irrelevant, tho

And rev has no condi cleanse. Thief is in a good spot and if you think conquest is all about 1v1s and teamfights, you are bad. I’d rather decap enemy points and chip away something like 50-100 points because of it, rather than be able to 1v1.