Guild Wars 2

I like it to be able to play 5v5 matches without the whole Tournament routine. However there are never full 5v5 maps around and that means that any match like this is pretty much broken. Even in 8v8 being one man short on your team spells almost certain defeat, because of the nature of the game, going 4 against 5 is pretty much useless.

So what’s the deal?

1. The new 5v5 maps are down at the bottom of the list, meaning that people don’t see them and don’t join them. I bet many players aren’t even aware they can play 5v5 in Hotjoin.

2. No punishment for leaving. Losing? Just hop into another game. There needs to be some sort of leaver punishment, a simple Deserter debuff would do for now. When/if a ranking system is implemented, a ranking point penalty would be ideal.

3. No real incentive to actually play and win games. It’s a deeper problem within the game, but people just don’t care. If it’s even slightly unfair, if one man leaves then everybody leaves and the match falls apart.

Yeah its annoying to have a server of 5v5, then the map rotates and you are left with 2v3…

I think 7v7 or 6v6 plaer limit is the sweet spot for hotjoin, so maybe they can change 8v8 to 7v7 or 6v6.

8v8 is eating up all the players that could be in 5v5 servers.

The thing is that people don’t care about winning in hotjoin, they just want to zerg, even if its a 5v5. Maybe give more glory for the winning team and for spreading out for map control.

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I’d love to see the 5v5 format in Hotjoin to stay, because it’s a great training base for Tournaments. People just need to be motivated to want to win games.

I think there needs to be a greater Glory rewards for winning and, more importantly, a ladder system.

Have two ladder systems – one for Hotjoin (aka the Random Queue of GW2) and another for Tournaments. That would be ideal to motivate people and organize people, so newbies don’t get stomped too hard. But that’s just wishing out loud.

In 8 vs 8 you can farm ppl, that way there are more playing that format.

If arenanet, rewards better the kills/capp/etc in 5 vs 5 to compete with 8 vs 8 will be more ppl playing it.

Still better than 8v8 zerg, and you tend to get more people playing the objectives in 5v5 too. If you run really low and its 2v3 etc well, not much you can do about that, i usually ask folks if they want to do duels instead, haha, many do and thats fun too. you wont find that in 8v8

not sure why they went with hotjoin. they should have just done it like every other game. game starts when 5 are queued for each team, quitters get 30+ min deserter penalty.

^What Sprawl mentioned. It seems that the original idea of FPS style hotjoin with people coming in and out is not working. A system similar to those of moba’s would seem to work much better.

IMO, that 8v8 hotjoins are there further exacerbates the problem. People try hotjoin 5v5s with dismal experience (mostly because transitioning players are still employing the same mentality of an 8v8 game), and hence goes back to 8v8s. We can actually already see that 5v5 hotjoins are quickly declining.

Like what others have previously mentioned in various other threads, and further echoing an opinion of mine, the mere presence of 8v8 will do little good. 5v5s should be the sole standard format across the board. When that happens, custom arenas should also already be present to cater to other dueling and such needs.

Biggest flaw: no one plays it. Not sure bout you american guys, but there is maybe 1 or 2 servers going at a time (join-able, I hide full servers). And any of those that I join are infact people dueling