Guild Wars 2

You DO know that this is a team game right? We had separate queues in the past. We had 5v5 for 5-man teams ONLY. We had solo queue for individuals ONLY. No mixed queues. No duos, no trios, etc. Matches were generally competitive and even. This is not up for debate. I’ve experienced it personally. Ever since the queues were merged in 2014 matches became more and more unbalanced.

I’ve always advocated for separate queues: Team Queue(5v5) and Solo Queue(1-man) The reason is that duos and mixed queues simply do. not. work. They just don’t. Only 5v5 and solo queue works.

For those of you advocating tourneys, yes I agree, we need tournaments but it’s NOT enough. Not everybody’s going to go out and form a guild or team right off the bat. You need basic pvp functions for the majority of the population.

For those of you that want to play with a friend, I’m sorry but this is a game for TEAMS OF 5, NOT teams of 2 or teams of 3. The teams of 5 can either be made up of individuals or a party. EITHER WAY IT’S A TEAM OF 5. It’s time to accept that your ideas simply didn’t work. This season is explicit proof of it.s Mixed queues are killing us.

Why cant we just have the old system back?

I dont get this 5 MAN ONLY TEAMS VS 5 MAN ONLY TEAMS.

Ive played many 4-5 man teams while solo queing during season 1-4 and won some of them and lost some of them. I truly dont understand the crying.

Heck my guild team which consisted of 3-4 people (including myself) beat other guild teams.

I was in season 1-2 when 4-5 members of ESL teams teamed up together and the team i was on was solo’s It wasnt that bad and i dont understand all these threads.

Why not just go back to the 1-5 ranked games, have Anet fix match making, Fix the /-, put up a protector where a person cant face a 3 premade more then once.

I mean just so much crying on the forums about nothing right now.

kdaddy.5431:

Why cant we just have the old system back?

I dont get this 5 MAN ONLY TEAMS VS 5 MAN ONLY TEAMS.

Ive played many 4-5 man teams while solo queing during season 1-4 and won some of them and lost some of them. I truly dont understand the crying.

Heck my guild team which consisted of 3-4 people (including myself) beat other guild teams.

I was in season 1-2 when 4-5 members of ESL teams teamed up together and the team i was on was solo’s It wasnt that bad and i dont understand all these threads.

Why not just go back to the 1-5 ranked games, have Anet fix match making, Fix the /-, put up a protector where a person cant face a 3 premade more then once.

I mean just so much crying on the forums about nothing right now.

Because the old leagues didn’t work. 1-5 ranked games are again, MIXED QUEUES. Mixed queues do. not. work. Only separate queues of 5v5 and solo queue have been shown to work.

JTGuevara.9018:

You DO know that this is a team game right? We had separate queues in the past. We had 5v5 for 5-man teams ONLY. We had solo queue for individuals ONLY. No mixed queues. No duos, no trios, etc. Matches were generally competitive and even.

The problem is that pvp population has taken such a dip that i honestly suspect that 5v5 queues are simply no longer sustainable. Solo q are a trivial change programming wise and have been requested for years, they gave it to just this season, why?.

JTGuevara.9018:

This is not up for debate.

You posted it here, thus yes it is.

JTGuevara.9018:

I’ve always advocated for separate queues: Team Queue(5v5) and Solo Queue(1-man) The reason is that duos and mixed queues simply do. not. work. They just don’t. Only 5v5 and solo queue works.

Agree but see above.

You DO know that soloq was removed BECAUSE of people in teamq crying about queue times? Thank yourself for the state of the games we got.

Cynz.9437:

You DO know that soloq was removed BECAUSE of people in teamq crying about queue times? Thank yourself for the state of the games we got.

I don’t care about queue times. I never did. Long queue times aren’t the worst thing in the world contrary to what people think! I’d rather have long queue times than bad game experiences.

JTGuevara.9018:

kdaddy.5431:

Why cant we just have the old system back?

I dont get this 5 MAN ONLY TEAMS VS 5 MAN ONLY TEAMS.

Ive played many 4-5 man teams while solo queing during season 1-4 and won some of them and lost some of them. I truly dont understand the crying.

Heck my guild team which consisted of 3-4 people (including myself) beat other guild teams.

I was in season 1-2 when 4-5 members of ESL teams teamed up together and the team i was on was solo’s It wasnt that bad and i dont understand all these threads.

Why not just go back to the 1-5 ranked games, have Anet fix match making, Fix the /-, put up a protector where a person cant face a 3 premade more then once.

I mean just so much crying on the forums about nothing right now.

Because the old leagues didn’t work. 1-5 ranked games are again, MIXED QUEUES. Mixed queues do. not. work. Only separate queues of 5v5 and solo queue have been shown to work.

work for what?

Lets be honest here, Duo que is a huge advantage, bam Anet needs to addresss the +/- as needed.

Now do the same with all the other stuff. Otherwise we will have pure solo que which we all know can get tiresome and lonely.

The other option is solo que and team que which means they will take away from one another and i for one will not go back to 30+ long que times.

Cynz.9437:

You DO know that soloq was removed BECAUSE of people in teamq crying about queue times? Thank yourself for the state of the games we got.

ummm you might be off.

Team que took a hit in que times when solo que came out because everyone was solo queing. Then Anet made team que more rewarding and then no one solo que.

I still remember being in que for 1 hour + in WvW and PvE and being like OHHHH i should que up for PvP dailies and then see i was qued up.

At the end there solo que was removed because no one was playing it, especially with many of the top PvP players getting to rank #1 and accomplishing everything they needed to in the game.

kdaddy.5431:

JTGuevara.9018:

kdaddy.5431:

Why cant we just have the old system back?

I dont get this 5 MAN ONLY TEAMS VS 5 MAN ONLY TEAMS.

Ive played many 4-5 man teams while solo queing during season 1-4 and won some of them and lost some of them. I truly dont understand the crying.

Heck my guild team which consisted of 3-4 people (including myself) beat other guild teams.

I was in season 1-2 when 4-5 members of ESL teams teamed up together and the team i was on was solo’s It wasnt that bad and i dont understand all these threads.

Why not just go back to the 1-5 ranked games, have Anet fix match making, Fix the /-, put up a protector where a person cant face a 3 premade more then once.

I mean just so much crying on the forums about nothing right now.

Because the old leagues didn’t work. 1-5 ranked games are again, MIXED QUEUES. Mixed queues do. not. work. Only separate queues of 5v5 and solo queue have been shown to work.

work for what?

Lets be honest here, Duo que is a huge advantage, bam Anet needs to addresss the +/- as needed.

Now do the same with all the other stuff. Otherwise we will have pure solo que which we all know can get tiresome and lonely.

The other option is solo que and team que which means they will take away from one another and i for one will not go back to 30+ long que times.

Work for what? Work for all! That’s what!

Players will always go where it is the most fun and rewarding. There’s nothing anyone can do about that. Whether the majority of players choose solo or team queue, it’s critically important that players have options. Not just this game, but any game. It’s good for the game in the long-term.

Also don’t forget, pvp back then wasn’t as rewarding as it is today. You also have players from other modes. You can’t really predict how long queues will take.

I would rather have long queue times than a broken game, ANY DAY.

When we had both solo and team queue, team queue was actually for any size group (1-5).

Team queue consisted of players who tried to work as a team and were generally smarter, better, and more enjoyable. The solo queue was a crapshoot and the winner was the team with the fewest clueless players. There was also a ton of whining in solo queue with many players focusing on winning their 1v1 fights instead of winning the match.

Exedore.6320:

When we had both solo and team queue, team queue was actually for any size group (1-5).

Team queue consisted of players who tried to work as a team and were generally smarter, better, and more enjoyable. The solo queue was a crapshoot and the winner was the team with the fewest clueless players. There was also a ton of whining in solo queue with many players focusing on winning their 1v1 fights instead of winning the match.

You will never disabuse some people of the idea that the deck is stacked against them. They will always have an excuse if its semi plausible for why they aren’t doing as well as they think they should. In this case its lack of a total solo queue. A-net should bring that old system back if only to give people what they asked for. We had pure solo queue and it was in fact as you pointed out far from some magical cure all. If the queue times spike so be it. I am pretty sure thats why they got rid of that system the queues. But you can’t make everyone happy all the time. There are a large amount of people that want solo queue only and there are a large amount of people that want group queueing. Both options should be available.

We don’t want old system back. Solo queue only please.

BadMed.3846:

We don’t want old system back. Solo queue only please.

Nobody wants the old system back, people want a separate team queue. You do not speak for everyone, certainly not me. Solo Queue is great for quick, casual games. Some people want a real competitive scene though, and not some cheap imitation.

They need to go back to solo and team queue, but offer the same amount of prestige and reward for each so that soloers don’t feel like they have to enter team queue to achieve anything. It’s a terrible misconception that solo players are somehow “worse” or “less deserving” than those in a premade, when really the only difference is that premades have additional tools at their dispense with teamspeak and the ability to coordinate and rehearse builds ahead of time.

As someone who plays both with a team and solo, my opinion is that it’s not fun at all to faceroll pugs when I’m with a team or to be facerolled by a premade when I’m the pug. I understand that it probably wouldn’t happen and if it did then it would probably destroy the queue times, but that’s the only way I can see of really giving everybody an equal playing field (aside from the whole core vs. HOT dilemma).

If it’s either shorter queues with a high chance of terribly lopsided matches or longer queues with a better chance of having a balanced match, I’d rather have a better match and deal with a longer queue, personally.

Cynz.9437:

You DO know that soloq was removed BECAUSE of people in teamq crying about queue times? Thank yourself for the state of the games we got.

I hope you don’t seriously believe that. Soloq was so bad, I remember people rather risked facing premades in teamq and play solo there because match quality was so kitten in soloq, and it hasn’t improved one bit.

It was the playerbase that gravitated towards a mixed que not some crying premades.

With all do respect for your opinions, the game is perfect as it is, because people voted for Solo-Duo only in 5v5. This mechanic is not a choice of devs, or elite players, or ESL teams; but a choice of the majority of players in this game. Please respect that vote of many people. Please have the decency of trying to understand what others have asked for and voted, because many complaints were on this forum for Solo-Duo requests, and removal of teams. We should all be happy, we got what we asked for. Thank you ArenaNet for listening.

Acrisor.8097:

With all do respect for your opinions, the game is perfect as it is, because people voted for Solo-Duo only in 5v5. This mechanic is not a choice of devs, or elite players, or ESL teams; but a choice of the majority of players in this game. Please respect that vote of many people. Please have the decency of trying to understand what others have asked for and voted, because many complaints were on this forum for Solo-Duo requests, and removal of teams. We should all be happy, we got what we asked for. Thank you ArenaNet for listening.

Actually, people voted to remove teams from solo queue, not to remove teams completely. A separate team queue has no affect on solo players in the slightest bit, and would actually help them by removing duo teams from solo queue.

JTGuevara.9018:

I’ve always advocated for separate queues: Team Queue(5v5) and Solo Queue(1-man) The reason is that duos and mixed queues simply do. not. work. They just don’t. Only 5v5 and solo queue works.

For those of you that want to play with a friend, I’m sorry but this is a game for TEAMS OF 5, NOT teams of 2 or teams of 3. The teams of 5 can either be made up of individuals or a party. EITHER WAY IT’S A TEAM OF 5. It’s time to accept that your ideas simply didn’t work. This season is explicit proof of it.s Mixed queues are killing us.

I totally agree with these two statements. I think on some of my posts people were getting mixed of what I was trying to say and you clarify my point(s) I have made. DUOs queuing in solo queue is not “team” or “solo” it is “fubar”.

I have also stated before that PvP titles are singular in it awards to top PLAYER not a group or your buddy who DUO’d with you and now you are rewarded for that if that is how you got to top rank.

I would not mind seeing a GvG PVP season say 15 or so players fight to the death I know there is WvW but that does not let EVERY guild participate against ANY guild.

Eh…I am new to PvP so what do I know :P

I’m not necessarily against a ranked 5v5 queue, if it can work and give a competitive environment for teams, i’m 100% for it.

However, i don’t think that this type of queue can gives this competitive enviroment for now.
The main issue is the population. At high soloq tier, there’s already some glaring population issues, now, it’s pretty safe to assume that a 5-man q will be even less populated, because of the team requirement. The league system like we have is simply not designed to work with low population, because it relies on the matchmaker to actually make decent matchup and the matchmaker simply cannot create semi-decent matchup with low player population.
Because of this, there is very high chances that a 5man q will be unable to create a competitive environment for teams, and we already have a non-competitive environement for teams called unranked arena.

A way better system would be automated, scalable tournaments at a set time of the day, or multiple times a day. As this system will condense the population at these specific time frame, and allow a way more competitive and rewarding environment.

Spoichiche.1290:

A way better system would be automated, scalable tournaments at a set time of the day, or multiple times a day. As this system will condense the population at these specific time frame, and allow a way more competitive and rewarding environment.

So if I understand right a few times a day and queue up? If that is true that is a bad idea because some people will get to queue and play every time while others maybe once per day? Or even if once per day not all would get to play if at all. Bad idea imo.

usnedward.9023:

Spoichiche.1290:

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So if I understand right a few times a day and queue up? If that is true that is a bad idea because some people will get to queue and play every time while others maybe once per day? Or even if once per day not all would get to play if at all. Bad idea imo.

Well, the idea is more like a classical tournament, if you win your round, you go up against an other winner of the same round until the final. They can make it with double elimination that way, you’re not out after just one loss.
I’m just throwing random numbers here and obviously, it needs to be adjusted to the population, but we could have one tournament per day on week day (like, monday at 9pm, tuesday at 8pm, wednesday at 6pm…) and 2 on saturday/sunday.
Depending on player population, they can also make multiple tournaments go on at the same time at different level. One tournament for players in plat+, one for gold, and an other for bronze/silver. Even though, if the population is high enough to support this, it’s probably high enough to support a regular queue.

Of course, this has an issue with players who can never play during prime time for whatever reason, but let’s face it, a regular queue system has the exact same issue : the matchmaker can’t find good matchups and that destroys any form of competitive aspect.

It’s not a perfect system by any means, and ultimately, no system is perfect. It’s just a matter of weighing the pros and the cons, and when it comes to that i personally value the competitive aspect of the ranked system more than anything else since we already have a non-competitive mode for teams.

Arena Net should add Team Q only and Solo Only. So when TeamQ inevitably fails, people will not have to keep wondering why.

PlatinumMember.5274:

Arena Net should add Team Q only and Solo Only. So when TeamQ inevitably fails, people will not have to keep wondering why.

If they implement it without any proper incentives over solo queue then it will fail because people will not put in the extra work with no extra reward.

Personally, though I realize it will never happen, I feel unranked should be solo queue and ranked should be team queue. If you want to compete in, what I am assuming anet intends it to be, a competitive environment, then you should team up with 4 other players before queueing. And solo players won’t mind being limited to unranked, because every time someone talks about playing with a team of friends that’s where they tell them to go. So they seem to be cool with it already.

Shaogin.2679:

BadMed.3846:

We don’t want old system back. Solo queue only please.

Nobody wants the old system back, people want a separate team queue. You do not speak for everyone, certainly not me. Solo Queue is great for quick, casual games. Some people want a real competitive scene though, and not some cheap imitation.

Lol what? You want a real competitive scene in a PvE MMORPG, that makes it’s money off of power creepped expansion packs, like all other MMORPGs? Did I get that right?

Just let it go. If you are truly looking for a competitive scene. But was it sounds to me. Is that you are actually just looking for a causal scene to look more competitive.

There is a reason why some of the ESL players, no longer play this game’s PvP mode. Plus with the announcement of 4v4v4 Battlegrounds in ESO dropping in June. There is no way in hell ANet can compete and make money in the competitive PvP area now. More so after the shenanigans of the past 13 months in Ranked PvP. ANet is more then likely is too busy. Creating the next group of even more over the top power creepped up elite specs for the next expansion. Then yall can cry harder.

Reaper Alim.4176:

Shaogin.2679:

BadMed.3846:

We don’t want old system back. Solo queue only please.

Nobody wants the old system back, people want a separate team queue. You do not speak for everyone, certainly not me. Solo Queue is great for quick, casual games. Some people want a real competitive scene though, and not some cheap imitation.

Lol what? You want a real competitive scene in a PvE MMORPG, that makes it’s money off of power creepped expansion packs, like all other MMORPGs? Did I get that right?

Just let it go. If you are truly looking for a competitive scene. But was it sounds to me. Is that you are actually just looking for a causal scene to look more competitive.

There is a reason why some of the ESL players, no longer play this game’s PvP mode. Plus with the announcement of 4v4v4 Battlegrounds in ESO dropping in June. There is no way in hell ANet can compete and make money in the competitive PvP area now. More so after the shenanigans of the past 13 months in Ranked PvP. ANet is more then likely is too busy. Creating the next group of even more over the top power creepped up elite specs for the next expansion. Then yall can cry harder.

Great contribution to the thread there.

On a side note, I’m on the fence about ESO 4v4v4. From what I’ve heard so far, it will also be restricted to solo queue only. There’s also the crazy chaos in pvp from proc sets, curious to see what they do about that for the battlegrounds.

Lastly, don’t recall stating I personally wanted a more competitive scene. Pretty sure I said some people. Personally, I just enjoy playing with guild members and friends. Kinda the whole reason I play an mmo ya know? Clearly I’m crazy for thinking that way though.

Just got done playing the For Honor beta and really liked the fact that it has separate 1v1, 2v2, and 4v4 (in the case of GW2 it would be 5v5) PvP modes. There are already 1v1 GW2 tournaments done by ESL and I’m guessing it wouldn’t be too hard to make a map that is just the middle cap point of Foefire for 1v1 and 2v2 queue matches. For those wanting to do the current 5v5 game mode there should just be solo queue and full 5v5 team queue.

Shaogin.2679:

PlatinumMember.5274:

Arena Net should add Team Q only and Solo Only. So when TeamQ inevitably fails, people will not have to keep wondering why.

If they implement it without any proper incentives over solo queue then it will fail because people will not put in the extra work with no extra reward.

Personally, though I realize it will never happen, I feel unranked should be solo queue and ranked should be team queue. If you want to compete in, what I am assuming anet intends it to be, a competitive environment, then you should team up with 4 other players before queueing. And solo players won’t mind being limited to unranked, because every time someone talks about playing with a team of friends that’s where they tell them to go. So they seem to be cool with it already.

Oh, so now you want to basically replace soloq with teamq. How about that: they should make unranked teamq only. And remove any rewards from it. And teams won’t mind being limited to unranked because they have a possibility to compete hard and since there is no rewards they can be sure no pve plebs will disturb them.

Removing of teamq is one of the best things that happened with the game since pvp seasons were introduced.

Razor.9872:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1LVwbgWrMM

Thank you for that video. A few months later (a few days ago) he moved away from GW2. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120344507

fumcheg.1936:

Shaogin.2679:

PlatinumMember.5274:

Arena Net should add Team Q only and Solo Only. So when TeamQ inevitably fails, people will not have to keep wondering why.

If they implement it without any proper incentives over solo queue then it will fail because people will not put in the extra work with no extra reward.

Personally, though I realize it will never happen, I feel unranked should be solo queue and ranked should be team queue. If you want to compete in, what I am assuming anet intends it to be, a competitive environment, then you should team up with 4 other players before queueing. And solo players won’t mind being limited to unranked, because every time someone talks about playing with a team of friends that’s where they tell them to go. So they seem to be cool with it already.

Oh, so now you want to basically replace soloq with teamq. How about that: they should make unranked teamq only. And remove any rewards from it. And teams won’t mind being limited to unranked because they have a possibility to compete hard and since there is no rewards they can be sure no pve plebs will disturb them.

Removing of teamq is one of the best things that happened with the game since pvp seasons were introduced.

My personal opinion does not reflect what I expect or want from the game. I have stated numerous times in other threads that solo queue would always have to stay due to people that absolutely can not socialize with others enough to queue as a team.

Also, my comment about making solo queue as unranked was in response to solo players always telling team players to go to unranked to play as if it is an acceptable alternative to ranked queue. So by that logic I could only assume that solo players are totally fine with unranked and wouldn’t mind having their queue restricted to unranked only. This of course is a joke meant to point out the logical flaws of telling team players to just stick to unranked. Apparently you either could not comprehend that or deliberately intend to take anything I say out of context.

Lastly, team queue was never removed, mixed queue was. People seem to be having a hard time understanding the difference there. Removing the mixed queue was indeed a great idea. Removing any way for teams to play in ranked at all in an mmo, not so much a great idea. As for it being the best thing to ever happen to pvp, can’t agree with that considering the forums still gets flooded nearly every day during the seasons about how all of their teammates suck, which happens to be a major consequence of the solo queue system.

Acrisor.8097:

Razor.9872:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1LVwbgWrMM

Thank you for that video. A few months later (a few days ago) he moved away from GW2. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120344507

I’m aware, but his point stands regardless. It’s important to realize why he moved away: it was due to a lack of A-net supported tournaments. Also, he’s gone idefinitively, not permanently; he and his team will return if A-net creates a true competitive tourny system.

Having 5v5 ranked did not accomplish this. The tourny system would need to be more structured.

Razor.9872:

Acrisor.8097:

Razor.9872:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1LVwbgWrMM

Thank you for that video. A few months later (a few days ago) he moved away from GW2. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120344507

I’m aware, but his point stands regardless. It’s important to realize why he moved away: it was due to a lack of A-net supported tournaments. Also, he’s gone idefinitively, not permanently; he and his team will return if A-net creates a true competitive tourny system.

Having 5v5 ranked did not accomplish this. The tourny system would need to be more structured.

How can you have “something new”? How can you have challenges? How can you have good PvP community filled with teams, when consumers only play SoloQ, and even that is played for rewards (legendary, ascended, materials, gold), not for fun.

On the other hand, imagine how they felt a whole season, a good 5 man team playing separated in 3 separate queues at least.

JTGuevara.9018:

You DO know that this is a team game right? We had separate queues in the past. We had 5v5 for 5-man teams ONLY. We had solo queue for individuals ONLY. No mixed queues. No duos, no trios, etc. Matches were generally competitive and even. This is not up for debate. I’ve experienced it personally. Ever since the queues were merged in 2014 matches became more and more unbalanced.

I’ve always advocated for separate queues: Team Queue(5v5) and Solo Queue(1-man) The reason is that duos and mixed queues simply do. not. work. They just don’t. Only 5v5 and solo queue works.

For those of you advocating tourneys, yes I agree, we need tournaments but it’s NOT enough. Not everybody’s going to go out and form a guild or team right off the bat. You need basic pvp functions for the majority of the population.

For those of you that want to play with a friend, I’m sorry but this is a game for TEAMS OF 5, NOT teams of 2 or teams of 3. The teams of 5 can either be made up of individuals or a party. EITHER WAY IT’S A TEAM OF 5. It’s time to accept that your ideas simply didn’t work. This season is explicit proof of it.s Mixed queues are killing us.

Didn’t Anet state that there wasnt enough ppl that were q ing kitten man so they didnt see t to be worth to invest money into it.

For me the current 1-2 system is the best compromise but a pure 5 man Team Q should be added. I also support more game modes (2:2, 3:3, 4:4) but not 1:1 that i see as training mode. But i fear many diffrent game modes have a to low pvp base but not shure.
A pure 1:1 and 5:5 mode setup would kill the “Play with a friend” and thats bad from a social perspective and so general for the playerbase. Saying people should build full teams won´t work. 99% can´t or won´t build full teams.