Guild Wars 2

I suggest some change to these 2 maps.

Forest of Niflhel: Change the beasts to go into downed state like lords do and use downed skills to try and prevent their death. They could also rally.
The reason for that is to reduce beast stealing as some classes are better at that than others.

Battle of Kyhlo: Change the trebuchets to work in a similar fashion to how Skyhammer works. Just that they would be limited to the middle control point alone and will not affect the other points. So, at certain intervals during the match both trebs will unlock and you’d need to capture them, upon capture they will fire a big volley at the clock tower that will cover the entire area and not just the point, the impact will neutralize the point.

Alternative Battle of Kyhlo: Keep trebs as they are but with one change. Make each impact of the Treb alter the control point by 25% control for the team shooting the treb.

You only make Thieves the best point stealer by Impact Strike.
Next suggestion: Make Beast and Svanir decap and hunt players, if they make 50 points the match is lost.

On serious tone: Make the trebuch neutral so that they can be used and take damage from both teams

Ari.4023:

I suggest some change to these 2 maps.

Forest of Niflhel: Change the beasts to go into downed state like lords do and use downed skills to try and prevent their death. They could also rally.
The reason for that is to reduce beast stealing as some classes are better at that than others.

Battle of Kyhlo: Change the trebuchets to work in a similar fashion to how Skyhammer works. Just that they would be limited to the middle control point alone and will not affect the other points. So, at certain intervals during the match both trebs will unlock and you’d need to capture them, upon capture they will fire a big volley at the clock tower that will cover the entire area and not just the point, the impact will neutralize the point.

Alternative Battle of Kyhlo: Keep trebs as they are but with one change. Make each impact of the Treb alter the control point by 25% control for the team shooting the treb.

NPC kill stealing is part of the strategy on the map. It’s ridiculous to dumb this game down any further.

Vitali.5039:

You only make Thieves the best point stealer by Impact Strike.
Next suggestion: Make Beast and Svanir decap and hunt players, if they make 50 points the match is lost.

On serious tone: Make the trebuch neutral so that they can be used and take damage from both teams

Can the treb spontaneously gain consciousness, runs around hunting people during half time?

Make it happen Anet!

Saiyan.1704:

Vitali.5039:

You only make Thieves the best point stealer by Impact Strike.
Next suggestion: Make Beast and Svanir decap and hunt players, if they make 50 points the match is lost.

On serious tone: Make the trebuch neutral so that they can be used and take damage from both teams

Can the treb spontaneously gain consciousness, runs around hunting people during half time?

Make it happen Anet!

I don’t think that this change could improve any strategy.. but sure sound funny

Simply no, your suggestions make the game even easier.

Ari.4023:

I suggest some change to these 2 maps.

Forest of Niflhel: Change the beasts to go into downed state like lords do and use downed skills to try and prevent their death. They could also rally.
The reason for that is to reduce beast stealing as some classes are better at that than others.

yeah change beast stealed by thieves or everyone with a luky strike for beast stealed by engi drones… great

Battle of Kyhlo: Change the trebuchets to work in a similar fashion to how Skyhammer works. Just that they would be limited to the middle control point alone and will not affect the other points. So, at certain intervals during the match both trebs will unlock and you’d need to capture them, upon capture they will fire a big volley at the clock tower that will cover the entire area and not just the point, the impact will neutralize the point.

Alternative Battle of Kyhlo: Keep trebs as they are but with one change. Make each impact of the Treb alter the control point by 25% control for the team shooting the treb.

No

I’m just gonna put it out there that you probably shouldn’t suggest things anymore. At least when it comes to changing pvp maps.

The only treb change I would like would be reduced damage. The CC alone is painful enough and can be a game changer on point if you’re already in a fight.

Ario.8964:

I’m just gonna put it out there that you probably shouldn’t suggest things anymore. At least when it comes to changing pvp maps.

Riiight. Hmm, hey that student made a mistake on the test! He should probably avoid ever trying to take that test again.

Hey look that guy choked for a moment and failed at breathing, he should probably not try to breathe ever again. Ok exaggerating, lol

Anyway…

Point taken ’bout the downed state for beasts also being exploitable. So, next idea, which I already had in my mind btw: The beasts will serve as guardians to an orb of power, once they die the orb will appear and players will have to channel it. Any damage will interrupt the channeling, similar to how the Temple of the Silent Storm channeling works. The orb will give the points and the buff that the beasts used to give.

Also I like the idea of Trebuchets being neutral, that is usable and damagable by both teams. My suggestion also included the treb control area being neutral for both trebs so this suggestion is a nice alternative, and probably way easier to implement for Anet.

sephiroth.4217:

The only treb change I would like would be reduced damage. The CC alone is painful enough and can be a game changer on point if you’re already in a fight.

the damage is ok and the cc is ok i mean you can literally see the big ball of fire coming at you, its very easy to avoid if you are using your camera well.

NeXeD.3042:

sephiroth.4217:

The only treb change I would like would be reduced damage. The CC alone is painful enough and can be a game changer on point if you’re already in a fight.

the damage is ok and the cc is ok i mean you can literally see the big ball of fire coming at you, its very easy to avoid if you are using your camera well.

In addition to camera,if you’re playing with sound on you can use that as well to prevent getting nuked.

My response to OP:
No. There is no reason to dumb down the game mode. If you know there’s an incoming steal then play smart. Save your CC for the enemy and/or learn how to reliably use a high damage skill to nuke the beast when the HP is low enough..

@insaneseagull

So you’re totally fine with the game being won by who snipes the beast? All other maps require fighting over objectives, that is killing each other to score the objective for your team. Forest here is the only exception, with those beasts making you shift focus over to landing the last hit on them. I say I don’t like that mechanic, and I have stolen beasts myself mind you, doesn’t mean I like it.

My opinion stays that it should be changed. The channeling suggestion I made makes it fair for all too. Fight for the objective, those who survive claim it.

Ari.4023:

@insaneseagull

So you’re totally fine with the game being won by who snipes the beast? All other maps require fighting over objectives, that is killing each other to score the objective for your team. Forest here is the only exception, with those beasts making you shift focus over to landing the last hit on them. I say I don’t like that mechanic, and I have stolen beasts myself mind you, doesn’t mean I like it.

My opinion stays that it should be changed. The channeling suggestion I made makes it fair for all too. Fight for the objective, those who survive claim it.

Yeah,I am. The beasts can either be a liability or a benefit for your team. There’s still plenty of opportunities for a team to catch up. The game isn’t won by one team if they score both beasts once.

Making the beasts go into downed mode will still incentivize stealing. It doesn’t solve the “problem” at all. The team who steals the enemey beast merely just have to save a boon strip or a CC and secure the stomp.

Ari.4023:

I suggest some change to these 2 maps.

Forest of Niflhel: Change the beasts to go into downed state like lords do and use downed skills to try and prevent their death. They could also rally.
The reason for that is to reduce beast stealing as some classes are better at that than others.

Battle of Kyhlo: Change the trebuchets to work in a similar fashion to how Skyhammer works. Just that they would be limited to the middle control point alone and will not affect the other points. So, at certain intervals during the match both trebs will unlock and you’d need to capture them, upon capture they will fire a big volley at the clock tower that will cover the entire area and not just the point, the impact will neutralize the point.

Alternative Battle of Kyhlo: Keep trebs as they are but with one change. Make each impact of the Treb alter the control point by 25% control for the team shooting the treb.

Forest of nifhel: as above theives would just down both beasts. Instead make the points count on a damage dealt percentage instead of who lands the last punch. I agree that beast stealing is ridiculous.

Battle of kyhlo: Just forget the treb altogether. Tell your team if the enemy trebs just rotate to far and close hopefully in a 2v2 and a 3v2 whilst the enemy wastes their player on the treb. Treb is just noob play, get rid and put orbs up there that net 25pts if you return them to base or something.

Itz Jay.8941:

Battle of kyhlo: Just forget the treb altogether. Tell your team if the enemy trebs just rotate to far and close hopefully in a 2v2 and a 3v2 whilst the enemy wastes their player on the treb.

When I sit on the treb i ask to my mates to call focus.. and we win 1+treb vs 3 at far pretty often.
But I agree that treb can be cancerous..

Neutral treb:
Your thief have just decapped far?
It’ll rush the enemy treb and use the treb to win mid!

Your don’t want to give your treb to the enemy?
Just destroy it at the start!

Ari.4023:

Ario.8964:

I’m just gonna put it out there that you probably shouldn’t suggest things anymore. At least when it comes to changing pvp maps.

Riiight. Hmm, hey that student made a mistake on the test! He should probably avoid ever trying to take that test again.

Hey look that guy choked for a moment and failed at breathing, he should probably not try to breathe ever again. Ok exaggerating, lol

Anyway…

Point taken ’bout the downed state for beasts also being exploitable. So, next idea, which I already had in my mind btw: The beasts will serve as guardians to an orb of power, once they die the orb will appear and players will have to channel it. Any damage will interrupt the channeling, similar to how the Temple of the Silent Storm channeling works. The orb will give the points and the buff that the beasts used to give.

Also I like the idea of Trebuchets being neutral, that is usable and damagable by both teams. My suggestion also included the treb control area being neutral for both trebs so this suggestion is a nice alternative, and probably way easier to implement for Anet.

Okay I will admit I was being a bit harsh, was not having the best day and I shouldn’t have let it show.

For the constructive part:
I disagree with those changes because it still removes the strategic use of sniping a boss. It’s punishment for the other team not covering their boss rush properly (Verifying thief’s location on the map or going when they’re dead). It also serves to give the thief more decisions to make in a match, do they want to risk death and missing the snipe for the chance to do it right and get the points for their team? It requires timing, watching, etc. All things that I think are valuable qualities to consider when balancing the behavior of certain objects within the game. Or if the orb thing happens make the points for killing the boss and the stat buff for the orb. However, I believe it works fine the way it is now.

For the trebs: I think having them be neutral could be cool for extra risk and rotation options from using the other team’s treb but the zone shouldn’t be limited. I like how there’s a choice that has to be made when using the treb of “Do I treb and hope they survive themselves?” or “Do I go over and try to shift the fight with my own strength?”

Stealing beast is part of the strategy and frankly part of certain classes role. You are basically asking Anet to reduce requirements for map awareness even further thus making game even easier. How about no?

I think treb is ok as it is, don’t change what is not broken.

They should just remove the beasts, the game mode is PvP, not lets go and kill an NPC in 4 hits and get 25 points, its stupid, how about we make it that we actually have to PvP in order to get points,

Same goes for Trebs, remove them.

Ok I Did It.2854:

They should just remove the beasts, the game mode is PvP, not lets go and kill an NPC in 4 hits and get 25 points, its stupid, how about we make it that we actually have to PvP in order to get points,

Same goes for Trebs, remove them.

Why not just vote for skyhammer?

The only change I would make is trebs not doing damage to downed players.

Vitali.5039:

Ok I Did It.2854:

They should just remove the beasts, the game mode is PvP, not lets go and kill an NPC in 4 hits and get 25 points, its stupid, how about we make it that we actually have to PvP in order to get points,

Same goes for Trebs, remove them.

Why not just vote for skyhammer?

Skyhammer is plagued by terrain bugs (e.g. you can’t use teleport skills around side points) and it gives huge advantage to ranged/passive classes due to jumping pads.

Cynz.9437:

Vitali.5039:

Ok I Did It.2854:

They should just remove the beasts, the game mode is PvP, not lets go and kill an NPC in 4 hits and get 25 points, its stupid, how about we make it that we actually have to PvP in order to get points,

Same goes for Trebs, remove them.

Why not just vote for skyhammer?

Skyhammer is plagued by terrain bugs (e.g. you can’t use teleport skills around side points) and it gives huge advantage to ranged/passive classes due to jumping pads.

It isn’t a serious question..
I was indirectly asking to Ok I Did It.2854 why with 3 random maps, where Skyhammer is the most buggy, it ask to remove beasts and treb from Forest and Kyhlo?
To only make of pvp a royal rumble?

Cause the Forset without Beasts and Kyhlo without treb it’s just like Eternal Coliseum.