Guild Wars 2

Made a mesmer (the go to build at the moment)

and played 4 hot join sPVP never dying once. matches were 14-0,16-0,13-0 and 17-0. zerk ammy

thoughts? discussion? anyone else think they are way too survivable for how squishy they are? even thieves can be stunned and taken down fast…. mesmers? every skill is a stun break. dont even get me started on how bad they are in WVW

CrassBippy.4619:

Made a mesmer (the go to build at the moment)

and played 4 hot join sPVP never dying once. matches were 14-0,16-0,13-0 and 17-0. zerk ammy

thoughts? discussion? anyone else think they are way too survivable for how squishy they are? even thieves can be stunned and taken down fast…. mesmers? every skill is a stun break. dont even get me started on how bad they are in WVW

…you can roflstomp ppl in hot join with a new class with the right build very easily, btw taking down glass thieves with mesmer is a joke, thief is probably the easiest class to kill with mesmer (Well wars also, but every class can kill an up warrior xD)….try again with a valkyrie hybrid ele or a ranger (not those bullkitten “wvsw style” pew pew with zerk amulet please, i mean..a real ranger..) and you’ll see the difference..or just go tpvp vs decent opponents…

Mesmers are gamebreakingly overpowered. I don’t give a kitten what anyone says. They are hands down the most powerful class in the game. Nothing else even comes close. I truly don’t understand in the least how they don’t get nerfed to more reasonable levels.

dreztina.4820:

Mesmers are gamebreakingly overpowered. I don’t give a kitten what anyone says. They are hands down the most powerful class in the game. Nothing else even comes close. I truly don’t understand in the least how they don’t get nerfed to more reasonable levels.

You play a d/d ele and talk about mesmers being OP…
Learn to play your class.

dreztina.4820:

Mesmers are gamebreakingly overpowered. I don’t give a kitten what anyone says. They are hands down the most powerful class in the game. Nothing else even comes close. I truly don’t understand in the least how they don’t get nerfed to more reasonable levels.

You forgot eles….oh yes, i see you play ele….pretty hilarious you whine bout mesmers when you’re playing a d\d ele..let me guess..valkyrie? Rofl

Side note: This is spvp forum.. so we’re talkin’ about spvp not wvsw crap…

Oh you mean how they nerfed the damage in some of our phantasms this patch? ow they added the GCD? How the staff cooldowns were increased in a previous patch? How some of our offhand weapons are a complete joke? The fact that in pvp a scepter is useless to a mesmer… Here we have a d/d ele saying mesmer is OP (not sure if bunker or not) yeah d/d ele’s got some sort of nerf this patch but nothing as big as was expected/hoped… mesmer damage vs thief damage=joke. The main reason a GC mes can outlast a GC thief is because they have higher base health other wise its pretty much even. We are nerfed/bugged in every single patch… (if we get buffed the buffs are bugged out to uselessness) and the go to build 20/20/0/0/30 is a great starter build but you are missing out on some great and unique characteristics available to the class. And good for you, you survived hot join… Go to tPvP or solo-roam wvw see how you do… I love the fact that OG is here again whining about mesmers… Did you get confused in tornado form again?

You guys can defend mesmers all you want. It is and has always been a ridiculously overpowered fotm bullkitten class.

dreztina.4820:

You guys can defend mesmers all you want. It is and has always been a ridiculously overpowered fotm bullkitten class.

And your d/d ele is complete weak sauce right? Oh wait you come from a guild that runs d/d eles and thieves with like one or two warriors and maybe a mesmer… Just because you lose to mesmers doesn’t mean every other d/d ele in whatever build does… Nice try holmes go troll while people are seiging… OG is good at that right?

Also look at 99% of the mesmer build guides they have one section that is completely dedicated to dealing with d/d eles. If it is required for a build guide to dedicate a specific portion to your class do you really think you have room to call any class OP? Come on man.

I definitely hate mesmers. No matter how many clones you kill the mes always just summons 3 more >.>

Not gonna say anything bad bout that vid… ele was def good… But the highlight was the cross racial flash mob… Epic win… That was prolly the best freaking part.

Penguin.5197:

I definitely hate mesmers. No matter how many clones you kill the mes always just summons 3 more >.>

Supply Crate… Turns the tables of having so many targets back on the mesmer. :P I’ve done it its fun… and hilarious.

jportell.2197:

Not gonna say anything bad bout that vid… ele was def good… But the highlight was the cross racial flash mob… Epic win… That was prolly the best freaking part.

/dance* ftw xD

CrassBippy.4619:

Made a mesmer (the go to build at the moment)

and played 4 hot join sPVP never dying once. matches were 14-0,16-0,13-0 and 17-0. zerk ammy

thoughts? discussion? anyone else think they are way too survivable for how squishy they are? even thieves can be stunned and taken down fast…. mesmers? every skill is a stun break. dont even get me started on how bad they are in WVW

Thieves are king of wvw roaming.

wookie.8934:

CrassBippy.4619:

Made a mesmer (the go to build at the moment)

and played 4 hot join sPVP never dying once. matches were 14-0,16-0,13-0 and 17-0. zerk ammy

thoughts? discussion? anyone else think they are way too survivable for how squishy they are? even thieves can be stunned and taken down fast…. mesmers? every skill is a stun break. dont even get me started on how bad they are in WVW

Thieves are king of wvw roaming.

But don’t you know? This thread is about mesmers? Also to the OP every class has as stun breaks its on them to use them… And not every mes uses stun breaks all stun breaks although it is the staple to make up for weakness in our othre skills.

Been doing tpvp all night, almost every single premade I encountered had 2-3 mesmers. But I’m sure they were just doing it because they wanted to play something underpowered so it’d be a real challenge.

With my main class in pvp being thief I must disagree with the thieves being killed easily by mesmers.
If you start clustershotting the mesmer instead of your usual steal-backstab-heartseeker rotation most illusions will fall easily and you’ll still deal enough damage on the mesmer to make him send his decoy on CD. Then you apply your basilisk venom and just autohit him to death. Works most of the time for me.
However, it’s true that once the fight has gone longer than 15-20 seconds I’m going down – sometimes faster, sometimes slower. But I tend to just disengage and come back a little while later (sending portal on CD, poor mesmer has to walk!)

mesmer and ele are both broken. still.

- a broken thief

Davinci.8027:

dreztina.4820:

Mesmers are gamebreakingly overpowered. I don’t give a kitten what anyone says. They are hands down the most powerful class in the game. Nothing else even comes close. I truly don’t understand in the least how they don’t get nerfed to more reasonable levels.

You play a d/d ele and talk about mesmers being OP…
Learn to play your class.

rofl i was gonna say. Someone who’s spamming D/D ele shouldn’t be talking about OPness at all.

CrassBippy.4619:

Made a mesmer (the go to build at the moment)

and played 4 hot join sPVP never dying once. matches were 14-0,16-0,13-0 and 17-0. zerk ammy

thoughts? discussion? anyone else think they are way too survivable for how squishy they are? even thieves can be stunned and taken down fast…. mesmers? every skill is a stun break. dont even get me started on how bad they are in WVW

If u played 4 matches with a class means that you still cant say much about it. The fact you didnt die once doesnt really seem relevant to me, cause i had the same experience when i started to play mesmer long time ago, and i tought the class was OP at first, then i realized i was just fighting really bad players.

I tried every possible mesmer spec, and i change them often, i think you are referring to shatter burst build, as every other glass cannon build it can take down other squishy builds quite fast, but those kind of build usually loose on the long run, against more balanced spec. For example a pure shatter burst mesmer dont have any condition removal, try using it against a good condition necro/engi.
The key is to have skills to counter the burst, or just good timing with dodge.
I think classes are well balanced in spvp, and i’m not saying it cause i play the mesmer, cause i also played Necro, Ele, Guardian, Ranger, Thief….

I hate Mesmer more then any other class.

Do I think they are an unstoppable OP death machine? No, ofc not. Could they use a nerf? Definitely yes.

I’ve been around the block a couple of times. 80 Mesmer/Guard/Warrior/Necro, +20k kills in WvW, and +30r pvp. Only class I can not stand now is Mesmer….

But that’s just me.

Mesmers and thieves really do rule the roost in hot join but I wouldn’t judge the viability of any class purely in hot join. 2 hot join players are worth 1 tournament player. 2 tournament players will completely demolish a glass cannon who is in the wrong place at the wrong time. As a thief I can get 300+ points every game in hot join because I can nuke from the outside of a skirmish unmolested. In tournaments I have to be super careful with my positioning as one wrong move and I’m a dead man. Same applies to a mesmer. They’re often the first target in a skirmish.

Xiomaro.2563:

Mesmers and thieves really do rule the roost in hot join but I wouldn’t judge the viability of any class purely in hot join. 2 hot join players are worth 1 tournament player. 2 tournament players will completely demolish a glass cannon who is in the wrong place at the wrong time. As a thief I can get 300+ points every game in hot join because I can nuke from the outside of a skirmish unmolested. In tournaments I have to be super careful with my positioning as one wrong move and I’m a dead man. Same applies to a mesmer. They’re often the first target in a skirmish.

Thieves main strenght about it beeing OP is its viability which changes depending on how experianced and cooperating with each other, players are.

In Hotjoin thieves mesmers and eles, wont die at all if played well, noone to focus fire, allert people of thief coming or say Ele blew mist form, come help me mr. thief.

The more organized the team the weaker, thieves and mesmers get. Also eles are easier to kill at highter level but even when organised elementalists are harder to counter and still brings more to a team level.

Hi guys, Ill keep it simple.
I have 600 hours on a ranger, and I consider myself to be one of the best rangers around. Recently, I rolled a mesmer and got a build from a friend. At about 5 hours of play time, I far surpassed my skill as a ranger. Without even learning exactly what is going on, I’m already better than I was at 600 hours on another class.. I don’t think thats right.

Darek.1836:

Hi guys, Ill keep it simple.
I have 600 hours on a ranger, and I consider myself to be one of the best rangers around. Recently, I rolled a mesmer and got a build from a friend. At about 5 hours of play time, I far surpassed my skill as a ranger. Without even learning exactly what is going on, I’m already better than I was at 600 hours on another class.. I don’t think thats right.

Complete opposite for me. Played a Mesmer, was doing good in pvp fairly well after learning the class. Rolled a Ranger, I face roll just about every class now. LOL! I cant die either, got Troll Unguent and a lot of other healing skills. OH! And when people think I am downed just have my pet heal me. LOL!

Darek.1836:

Hi guys, Ill keep it simple.
I have 600 hours on a ranger, and I consider myself to be one of the best rangers around. Recently, I rolled a mesmer and got a build from a friend. At about 5 hours of play time, I far surpassed my skill as a ranger. Without even learning exactly what is going on, I’m already better than I was at 600 hours on another class.. I don’t think thats right.

because spamming evades and protection with perma regen and condi removal as ranger while waiting for your pet/burn to tear down the enemy while you got the highest toughnes in the game is so much harder than playing mesmer…

I think you hotjoin heroes have some l2p issues

Darek.1836:

Hi guys, Ill keep it simple.
I have 600 hours on a ranger, and I consider myself to be one of the best rangers around. Recently, I rolled a mesmer and got a build from a friend. At about 5 hours of play time, I far surpassed my skill as a ranger. Without even learning exactly what is going on, I’m already better than I was at 600 hours on another class.. I don’t think thats right.

A wvsw player claiming to be “the best ranger around” this post is getting freakin’ hilarious …i know ppl with 1000+ hours of tpvp (Read again tpvp) and 250+ qpnts with the same class saying they’re not even close to be really good….just saying…funny thing is that all those “i’m the best [add class here]” usually get facerolled badly when facing someone just above a mediocre skill level in tpvp….

You can’t create a class that has good damage, decent mobility, stealth, pets, evades, medium hp, massive boon+condition removal + infliction, knockback all around the place (into the void is especially broken), projectile reflection, teleports, etc and think it will be somewhat weak.

To sum it up this class has access to everything the game offers, and do so just as good or even better than other classes (the only things that would be worse would be teleport and stealth, dps might be lower than other classes but their burst ability is pretty kitten high), they don’t pay anything for it, and to put a nail in the coffin have access to exclusive absolutly broken skills (time warp and portal come to mind). This class is broken by design. You an easily see it’s the last class anet worked on.

Ele and guardian also suffer from this but not as much.

Doesn’t mean it’s not possible to win against one though, they are counterable.

Puru.4217:

You can’t create a class that has good damage, decent mobility, stealth, pets, evades, medium hp, massive boon+condition removal + infliction, knockback all around the place (into the void is especially broken), projectile reflection, teleports, etc and think it will be somewhat weak.

To sum it up this class has access to everything the game offers, and do so just as good or even better than other classes (the only things that would be worse would be teleport and stealth, dps might be lower than other classes but their burst ability is pretty kitten high), they don’t pay anything for it, and to put a nail in the coffin have access to exclusive absolutly broken skills (time warp and portal come to mind). This class is broken by design. You an easily see it’s the last class anet worked on.

Ele and guardian also suffer from this but not as much.

Doesn’t mean it’s not possible to win against one though, they are counterable.

Quoted here:decent mobility, stealth, pets, evades, medium hp, massive boon+condition removal + infliction, knockback all around the place (into the void is especially broken), projectile reflection, teleports, etc and think it will be somewhat weak.
Decent mobility? LOL. Worst in game mobility every class has an evade of some sort built in to at least one of their weapon sets… Rangers come to mind which is obscene compared to mesmers with their evades. Condition removal? Okay so lets say a Mesmer is the standard shatter burst omgered your dead spec… That means that they have 0 count it ZERO condition removal.. we get it from 3 maybe 4 skills if you wanna count the ridic disenchanter that no good Mesmer uses but it is not used in the shatter burst spec and neither is null field/arcane thievery/or Mantra of Resolve… The only conditions we can reliably apply are confusion which is an absolute joke in sPvP (gotta take care of you baby bears here), vulnerability, and bleeds… And that is only IF we spec for it… Into the void broken? Nope dev confirmed this awhile back the pull is working as intended and is the best form of crowd control we have since they absolutely destroyed Greatsword this patch (oh yeah they nerfed it hard) so into the void is our only knockback/down and then engis have the best cc… Not gonna label them op but its true they have better CC. Then you are talking about stealth… Okay well we have mass invis/veil (90 sec cd) and decoy… none of these stack like a thieves and the torch is still not used in sPvP/tPvP. Clones are ridiculously see through by now and our only other form of damage outside of shatters comes from phantasms and ANet is slowly whittling that away too. You talk of all these things as if we can use them all at once. Ridiculous no way we can… U talked about the access to stealth then talked about timewarp/portal… Well pick something to kitten about here because a Mesmer cannot use timewarp AND mass invis.. and if a Mesmer is speccing for this do it all build then that means that they would (in the interest of making your build here) bring veil (90 sec cd) mantra of resolve (only 4 conditions) portal and time warp… This kills their mobility aside from portal but its pretty obvious where this is I mean it is a pink circle on the ground also this removes any stun breaks they have you know (blink/mirror images/decoy). And then lets say they are running the focus well since they are the so damage heavy OP shatter spec they won’t be reflecting projectiles because that requires 20 points into a trait line that has nothing to do with power it will only block and its quite easy to maneuver around this phantasm as he never moves unless you break LOS and he never spawns on the Mesmer (you know the one he is supposed to be protecting). But now because he is running these OP skills (veil, timewarp, portal, condi removal) his sources for doing that crazy high burst damage you speak of are limited because the burst chain is only effective if we can chain the shatters together properly and QUICKLY it can’t be done quickly without mirror images/and or decoy… This is like when people say d/d eles are OP because they were everything rolled into one… a bunker d/d ele does terrible damage they can just outlast/outboon you. A shatter heavy Mesmer is not going to be reflecting projectiles, not removing conditions, not getting any hardcore boons outside of might/vigor and they are definitely not going to be running portal/timewarp because if they are a burst spec they want mass invis and another get out quick card… portal cd is too long to be considered useful. Please know what class you are critiquing before you start saying they get all this and more because we don’t get it all in one build… No class in this game gets a 30/30/30/30/30 DPS facetank burst bunker build.

Archaon.6245:

Darek.1836:

Hi guys, Ill keep it simple.
I have 600 hours on a ranger, and I consider myself to be one of the best rangers around. Recently, I rolled a mesmer and got a build from a friend. At about 5 hours of play time, I far surpassed my skill as a ranger. Without even learning exactly what is going on, I’m already better than I was at 600 hours on another class.. I don’t think thats right.

A wvsw player claiming to be “the best ranger around” this post is getting freakin’ hilarious …i know ppl with 1000+ hours of tpvp (Read again tpvp) and 250+ qpnts with the same class saying they’re not even close to be really good….just saying…funny thing is that all those “i’m the best [add class here]” usually get facerolled badly when facing someone just above a mediocre skill level in tpvp….

Whether you want to face it or not, wvw has more skilled players than tpvp does by far (in terms of average skill, completely opposite). The point of my post wasn’t really to brag but if you want me to “prove” it I’ll gladly do it. The thing is that mesmers just have so many abilities that rangers cannot have, such as projectile deflection without setting yourself up for automatic death (offhand axe on ranger), stealth, teleports, invulnerability, tons of confusion, mobility, tons and tons of team support that rangers can only dream of, and most importantly: a skill cap that’s above kittening 200 hours of play.

edit: also something I’ve never seen before til I rolled mesmer: boon removal
edit2: perma retalliation and chaos armor

Darek.1836:

Archaon.6245:

Darek.1836:

Hi guys, Ill keep it simple.
I have 600 hours on a ranger, and I consider myself to be one of the best rangers around. Recently, I rolled a mesmer and got a build from a friend. At about 5 hours of play time, I far surpassed my skill as a ranger. Without even learning exactly what is going on, I’m already better than I was at 600 hours on another class.. I don’t think thats right.

A wvsw player claiming to be “the best ranger around” this post is getting freakin’ hilarious …i know ppl with 1000+ hours of tpvp (Read again tpvp) and 250+ qpnts with the same class saying they’re not even close to be really good….just saying…funny thing is that all those “i’m the best [add class here]” usually get facerolled badly when facing someone just above a mediocre skill level in tpvp….

Whether you want to face it or not, wvw has more skilled players than tpvp does by far (in terms of average skill, completely opposite). The point of my post wasn’t really to brag but if you want me to “prove” it I’ll gladly do it. The thing is that mesmers just have so many abilities that rangers cannot have, such as projectile deflection without setting yourself up for automatic death (offhand axe on ranger), stealth, teleports, invulnerability, tons of confusion, mobility, tons and tons of team support that rangers can only dream of, and most importantly: a skill cap that’s above kittening 200 hours of play.

But you are talking as if we get this all in one build… Not every Mesmer you run into is running a cookie cutter shatter build some are running hybrid builds some are full on bunkers that shatter once every 30 seconds if that the tons and tons of team support comes at the expense of individual burst damage. our mobility is a joke compared to a shortbow sword/dagger ranger… Do rangers need love in team support areas sure but just because mesmers have more than one viable spec doesn’t mean these specs need destroyed… Every class should have multiple viable specs… It took me forever to understand the nuances that come with a Mesmer and at 200 hours you may feel you have explored all options but I guarantee you haven’t. Mesmers will get this projectile deflection from either a glamour skill that is on a long cooldown or by speccing 20pts into a trait line that has jack kitten to do with the shatter burst build… Stop talking as if we get it all at once… We don’t.

and Edit for your edits: necros have boon removal too
And chaos armor can’t be permanent the cooldown for skills that supply it would just be too long… The perma retal is possible but this build has no other sources of out right power.

Well personally I don’t run a shatter build at all, I tend to run bunkers on almost every class. Also you think that mobility is better on a ranger? They have a 600 range leap back and 2 evasive attacks, and lightning reflexes on a 36s Cd if traited. My mesmer has a 24s 900 range stunbreaker that can teleport me anywhere I want and another teleport (AND STUNBREAKER) on my staff weapon skill.. Not to mention I have stuff like mass stealth if needed and a 3s stealth on a slot. I mean if you run a sword on mesmer then you can swap places with a clone at any point… sure rangers may have more “evades”, but mesmers DON’T GET HIT.

But outside of that we are kittenedly slow no speed buff for us and that is partly why! Also rangers can just Poof all conditions gone every 10 seconds with their pet… And yes I really do think mobility is better on a ranger. And the cooldown on that 600 range leap back and the two evasive attacks? Also you know nothing about Mesmer if you think staff 2 is a stun breaker… had this argument before… It moves the Mesmer but the duration of the stun is the same and since every class has better more reliable gap closers (HS/RTL/Bulls Rush/Ranger GS3/or engi gear shield which is a pull) it kinda negates it…

Well I dont play much ele thief or engi but I know for sure no good ranger in the game will use a greatsword. Yeah I think the condition removal should be nerfed, though in this last fix the pet should die before it gets too out of hand (which makes it less viable to use)

Darek.1836:

Well I dont play much ele thief or engi but I know for sure no good ranger in the game will use a greatsword. Yeah I think the condition removal should be nerfed, though in this last fix the pet should die before it gets too out of hand (which makes it less viable to use)

But still better than a mesmers. Everyone loves to come to forums and whine about how OP certain classes are while completely ignoring the drawbacks to the class or the drawbacks to the particular builds they encountered…And I have seen rangers that are pretty effective with a GS. There have even been gripes about rangers, guardians, Thieves (of course), Eles, Guardians, even saw a necro one. And people have griped about how OP engis can be as well… Every class has something that can make them OP as all hell but, when people QQ and call for nerfs they are neglecting that they may have had a bad build, or that the build they countered may be the perfect counter to theirs, or refusing to acknowledge the class that they played against does have some weaknesses. People never say “I lost because this person played better.” Nope its I lost because you are playing an OP class and refuse to play one with skill like “My class”… Do people not see how self centered and childish this is?

I’m just saying that the mesmer has far more viable options and can be way more diverse than any other class, often without needing to change builds.

Darek.1836:

I’m just saying that the mesmer has far more viable options and can be way more diverse than any other class, often without needing to change builds.

That one is just not true… In order for a Mesmer to go from a full shatter spec to a hybrid spec they would have to drop some trait points in power and put them elsewhere… If a Mesmer wants the focus to be reliable they have to put 20 points into a vitality tree… If we want to run glamour we would have to change our traits from our shatter spec… If we want bunker we lose a lot of clone generation but gain a lot more toughness… A Mesmer can not have several viable specs without changing builds… No Mesmer is going to try to run a bunker spec and keep the 20/20/0/0/30. No Mesmer is going to try and run a shatter heavy spec with out something in deceptive evasion… Mantra mesmers are guaranteed to go 30 into domination and the only people that do… I am not sure what specs you are talking about that we would have to not change builds for but nothing is further from the truth.

Mesmers are actualy more OP then you imagine, but since they are forced to use portal/illiusion of life in their utility slots you never see full mesmer capabilitys.

However since portal and IoL brings so much team gain, they are actualy forced to use them. The true strenght of mesmers is somewhat still hidden and it wont be shown unless some 1v1 competitions start.

Lol mesmers are nowhere near OP, in fact the only people that considered mesmers are op are the ones that have only played for a very short time and limited experience, and it shows. In fact there is not really one stupidly over powered class in the game, eles are very strong and will be toned down accordingly. All of them have their advantages and disadvantages, strong points and weak points. Yet people only see what they want without trying to make themselves better.

I have tourney’d with almost every class in the game except for 1 class, (sorry engies playstyle just doesn’t appeal to me) and I have a lot of experience on 5-6 professions… am I saying that I know them better than anyone? Hell no, in fact I’ve been playing since launch and I’m still learning every day. When you play high level tourney play with and against multiple professions, it is extremely beneficial to know the classes traits and moves, and what to expect.

Depending on the Mesmers spec they have serious weaknesses along with their strengths, just like everyone else. A heavy shatter Mesmer? Extremely weak to conditions, have to give up at least 1 utility AND their elite skill for the team, leaving them with 2 defensive or offensive utilities, and some are taking illusion of life for the team, limiting them to 1 utility. Stop calling a class OP and LEARN. If you can’t beat a player with 1 utility skill, I’m sorry it’s not the class it’s you. If you are still being confused by clones then 3 things, 1) I’m sorry but you really got outplayed by a good player who knew his class well, 2) you need to learn more about mesmers and 3) Sit back, Stop, breathe, chill and look for the real Mesmer. Mesmers clones hit for 5-10 damage a piece, they are more there to cause chaos than anything else. If a Mesmer is trying to blend in with their clones, then they aren’t going to be doing any damage to you anyways because they are forced to auto attack the whole time.

Complaining about illusionary leap is laughable because if you took the time to learn anything you would know that it is broken on any type of Z axis, and that it is EASY as kitten to dodge. If a Mesmer has a staff out he is waiting for cool downs and is in survival mode till he can burst again. A shatter Mesmer has zero damage in staff. With 1 or at max 2 utilities to defend themselves against an equally skilled player, a shatter Mesmer is going to have to work and know the class they are fighting to win that 1 on 1. Call a kitten target on the Mesmer, look for the “clone” that is moving around and dodging. If the Mesmer is rocking a focus all they have is a pull and a phantasm that Doesn’t move. If they are rocking a pistol they have NO swiftness a decent damage ranged phantasm and a stun.

Know the class you are fighting. There is not one class in this game that is godly OP (I know d/d eles are above the rest right now) but they will be toned down. Instead of complaining and kittening like a 2 yr old, try and get better. Shatter mesmers will get eaten by conditions, bunker mesmers have low clone generation, as well as low damage and mobility. You cannot have a mass invis skill without giving up time warp, or a survivability/stun breaker utility, and both of these (veil and mass invis) have long 90 second cool downs. Confusion is laughable to anyone that knows how to watch their condition bar. If a Mesmer is stacking confusion on you chances are they are condi spec or traited for 33% longer confusion, if they are a condi Mesmer they aren’t going to be doing damage to you while you wait for the confusion to go away, and if its a shatter Mesmer with confusion on shatter then unless they get a massive stack on you it won’t kill you as they don’t have much condition damage.

If you need help fighting mesmers or learning hit me up in game and I will be happy to teach you.

all i can say is this post is a joke. clueless posts should be closed

Glad that someone that has brought actual highlights to Mesmer weaknesses here… Yea we are good but not god mode OP… that honor goes to the person in the keyboard in any fight… And no one ever wins only because of their class.

whats even the go to build for newb mesmers ?:/

Maybe devs theorycrafted a build NONE OF US HAS EVER PLAYED BEFORE THAT’S SO EARTHSHATTERING GOOD.

Darnis.4056:

whats even the go to build for newb mesmers ?:/

Maybe devs theorycrafted a build NONE OF US HAS EVER PLAYED BEFORE THAT’S SO EARTHSHATTERING GOOD.

He means 20/20/0/0/30 which is full glass and goes down like a to a wet sneeze.

Darek.1836:

Whether you want to face it or not, wvw has more skilled players than tpvp does by far (in terms of average skill, completely opposite).

Made my day…lol…go zerg somewhere else, seriously…everyone can be good playing with 20 other ppl, no personal skills involved…your zerg is bigger? You have better gear and oulevel others? You win…otherwise you lose, no skills required…there is a reason if wvsw counts as “pve” with pve skills, gear, rewards and so on…spvp is another world, same gear, same level, only personal playing makes the difference between being bad or good…if i roll an engy lv80 with full exotics (But never went in pvp) and i go wvsw i can still roflstomp ppl as long as i stay with the zerg or facing underlevel\gear ppl, in tpvp if i take a engi without knowing how to properly play it i’ll be dead meat in seconds vs pretty much anyone…..that’s the main difference…

Btw i can clearly see the difference with my guildmates, ppl who are good in tpvp all rock in wvsw (lol our core ele went wvsw for fun yesterday and owned a 8 ppl group alone at a supply camp while laughing on ts, then he left cause it started to get boring after 20 mins facerolling random ppl around; his exact words were “Wvsw it’s just like going duck hunting with a minigun, hotjoin actually requires skills compared to this”) but there are many wvsw veterans with 20 30k kills and stuff that are just plain terrible when they have to go play in a tournament, and this is not a statistic or bs like that, it’s a fact..i actually know ppl playing both wvsw and spvp and the skill difference is just epic, i don’t think i’m the one who has to face reality here…just look at game devs: Do they ask wvsw “uber pro” zergers and kitten..or do they ask high level tpvp players when they want a feedback bout pvp? We all know the answer..

And, just for you to know…this is spvp forum, and here ppl talk about spvp only…because, as i said before, it’s a totally different world…so, if you want to talk about wvsw experience, just go to the proper section because noone here gives a kitten about wvsw zergfest since skills, gear, builds, stats, achivements, mechanics and so on are different…

td;dr
wvsw = pve mechanics (Gear, skills, char level, gold…all from pve) and this is the wrong forum’s section, go whine on wvsw forum instead
sPvP = pvp mecanics and this is the place where we talk about it

jportell.2197:

Glad that someone that has brought actual highlights to Mesmer weaknesses here… Yea we are good but not god mode OP… that honor goes to the person in the keyboard in any fight… And no one ever wins only because of their class.

mostly
/lotofchars

Archaon.6245:

Darek.1836:

Whether you want to face it or not, wvw has more skilled players than tpvp does by far (in terms of average skill, completely opposite).

Made my day…lol…go zerg somewhere else, seriously…everyone can be good playing with 20 other ppl, no personal skills involved…your zerg is bigger? You have better gear and oulevel others? You win…otherwise you lose, no skills required…there is a reason if wvsw counts as “pve” with pve skills, gear, rewards and so on…spvp is another world, same gear, same level, only personal playing makes the difference between being bad or good…if i roll an engy lv80 with full exotics (But never went in pvp) and i go wvsw i can still roflstomp ppl as long as i stay with the zerg or facing underlevel\gear ppl, in tpvp if i take a engi without knowing how to properly play it i’ll be dead meat in seconds vs pretty much anyone…..that’s the main difference…

Btw i can clearly see the difference with my guildmates, ppl who are good in tpvp all rock in wvsw (lol our core ele went wvsw for fun yesterday and owned a 8 ppl group alone at a supply camp while laughing on ts, then he left cause it started to get boring after 20 mins facerolling random ppl around; his exact words were “Wvsw it’s just like going duck hunting with a minigun, hotjoin actually requires skills compared to this”) but there are many wvsw veterans with 20 30k kills and stuff that are just plain terrible when they have to go play in a tournament, and this is not a statistic or bs like that, it’s a fact..i actually know ppl playing both wvsw and spvp and the skill difference is just epic, i don’t think i’m the one who has to face reality here…just look at game devs: Do they ask wvsw “uber pro” zergers and kitten..or do they ask high level tpvp players when they want a feedback bout pvp? We all know the answer..

And, just for you to know…this is spvp forum, and here ppl talk about spvp only…because, as i said before, it’s a totally different world…so, if you want to talk about wvsw experience, just go to the proper section because noone here gives a kitten about wvsw zergfest since skills, gear, builds, stats, achivements, mechanics and so on are different…

td;dr
wvsw = pve mechanics (Gear, skills, char level, gold…all from pve) and this is the wrong forum’s section, go whine on wvsw forum instead
sPvP = pvp mecanics and this is the place where we talk about it

^This