Guild Wars 2

Thieves get auto down kills from stealth every time.. They do way too much damage and can escape way too easily..

Mesmers are OP and broken as all heck.. mostly due to targetting issues and too much dmg while being impossible to attack.

Targetting is broken.. How can I play a game where my target drops every 5 seconds and then im forced to try and tab thru 14 targets in to try and get a real target that will just drop again in 5 seconds anyway.. Or I can try to mouse click in total and complete chaos where 4 out of every 5 targets isnt even a player.. Oh and then the target will drop again anyway…

Of course when one complains about stuff like this they are told.. “its just cause yer bad” or “Thats called skill”

Its not skill.. Its called exploiting a broken class mechanic.

I feel like the pvp in this game is basically smashing my head into a wall over and over and asking for more..

Sadly its getting worse and worse as more and more people realize to compete and have fun they need to be a thief or mesmer..

I have a fun game maybe once in every 5 or 6 games..

before you guys start on the “skill” comments or that “youre just bad”

I ALWAYS FINISH #1 or #2 on my team.. like 90% of the time.

This game sucks right now.

The targeting being horrible is the nail in the coffin that stopped me playing the game. I thought star wars was the worst I have ever witnessed, until I started playing this game.

It’s a simple fix as well, simply but a “lock” on the target until you want to switch to another but no, Arenanet tried to be all “lets make a new system!” and broke it.

8v8 is not balanced, so there is no point to get angry about it.
finishing #1 or #2 means you killed more than others.

Thieves are very easily stabbed.Put a condition and he can’t cast almost anything then stab him.How hard is that??Thieves are not overpowered.People just react too much for nothing

Duukar.3061:

Thieves get auto down kills from stealth every time.. They do way too much damage and can escape way too easily..

Mesmers are OP and broken as all heck.. mostly due to targetting issues and too much dmg while being impossible to attack.

Targetting is broken.. How can I play a game where my target drops every 5 seconds and then im forced to try and tab thru 14 targets in to try and get a real target that will just drop again in 5 seconds anyway.. Or I can try to mouse click in total and complete chaos where 4 out of every 5 targets isnt even a player.. Oh and then the target will drop again anyway…

Of course when one complains about stuff like this they are told.. “its just cause yer bad” or “Thats called skill”

Its not skill.. Its called exploiting a broken class mechanic.

I feel like the pvp in this game is basically smashing my head into a wall over and over and asking for more..

Sadly its getting worse and worse as more and more people realize to compete and have fun they need to be a thief or mesmer..

I have a fun game maybe once in every 5 or 6 games..

before you guys start on the “skill” comments or that “youre just bad”

I ALWAYS FINISH #1 or #2 on my team.. like 90% of the time.

This game sucks right now.

can you link how many games you have played?

if you finish number 1 or 2 on yoru team it just means you run with the zerg and tag everything before it dies.

ive never had a problem with targetting strangely

and stealth doesnt garuantee the thief getting a execute. any non target required interrupt can hit him

6 on thief – 10 on guardian – 119 on Warrior.. im rank 11.3

My Warrior is my main.. Hes Sword+board/Rifle… Heavy heavy Bleed/control/rifle build… My build is very solid and a slight modification of some really strong builds I saw.

My PvP background is very deep gank group history in DAoC.. WAR.. SWTOR.. mostly DAOC..

Moraine – What condition is going to stop them from going into stealth and Finishing me or my downed team mate automatically?

again, stealth doesnt gaurantee a downed execute, anyone that can use a non target required stun/knockback/daze, etc, will still interrupt the thief.

is it surprising that the dirty fighters main form of group support is stomping?

stealth isnt even the best way to net a stomp

condition damage more ofthen then not kills the thief tho.

ive specced survival with as much cond removal a thief can have as wella s regenning hp in stealth, conditions still destroyed me

Wolfe.3097:

if you finish number 1 or 2 on yoru team it just means you run with the zerg and tag everything before it dies.

ive never had a problem with targetting strangely

and stealth doesnt garuantee the thief getting a execute. any non target required interrupt can hit him

This reply is so weak its absurd.. So anyone finishing in the top spot or 2 is zerging? Can be that they revive and go to points that the team has neglected.. or defend points.. or god forbid get a kill or 10 as a non thief..

Ive never had an issues with targetting til I played this game. Even SWTOR I found easy.. I also used to run as the MA merc and Warrior in my DAoC gank grps.. or MA on my fire wiz..

FYI DAoC is likely the best pvp game ever made..

This game has kitten tons of potential, but right now it just isnt fun.. Id rather go back to SWTOR or get MechWarrior Online.

so you have just scratched the surface in pvp… the pvp in gw2 is totally new if you compare it to other mmorpgs… it takes time to adjust

I’m new to MMO PvP and so far I’m level 6 Guardian. Yep I did witness some of the things you mentioned OP, but to be honest the game is extremely playable. For a game that “sucks right now”, you have a lot of game played !!

I’m having a blast in PvE, PvP right now and I’m not even good.

This wasnt meant to be a thief hate post..

Im mostlykitten about these 3 things really sapping the fun out of the game. I play to be competitive and win.. I feel more and more like I need to be a thief of mesmer to achieve that goal.. I cant stand it.

Its dumb that one class has a WAYYYY better chance to land a STOMP than any other class. Landing a STOMP is one of the hardest things ive found in this game.. It gets me killed more often than not.. Now I usually just sit back and blast away with my 132 bleed tick rifle shots to get a kill.. it takes FOREVER and a day..

every class has a #2 that is supposed to stop one or multiple attempts for a STOMP.. thieves negate like 50% of the classes #2.. Thats really not something I can come to terms with especially given the amount of DPS and they provide and how hard it is to STOMP them..

Mesmers ruin pvp.. Both classes are the cause of the target dropping issues which are then followed by chaotic fights with a million doubles and pets..

Lets add sharks to the mix with a mesmer in Capricorn and now im really happy when my target drops..

if you played like 50 games with mesmer you would learn how to see “the real” mesmer pretty fast… in gw2 it helps you ALOT if you know all the classes inside out

You are only R11, you havent played enough to really make the determination that the game is unplayable.

I don’t play hot-join nonsense so I don’t know what you are experiencing there but like someone else said 8v8 is unfair, there are few tactics there and people rage drop all the time.

In Tourneys:
Thiefs stealth is easily countered with traps, period. Every team needs some sort of area denial and placing that area denial on a teammates body while in a point is usually a good move. If they are specced to backstab then they are just as squishy as a light armor and easily taken down if you can kite them a little.

I have had no problem targetting but thats most likely because my team actually uses targetting (ctrl+t) as it was intended to focus fire targets.

How are mesmers impossible to hit? Their clones are very weak if you swing once and it goes down to like 1/2 health its probably a clone.

Most of your “broken” gameplay problems can be attributed to lack of experience and teamwork. Find a guild, play on a team, play free tourneys and enjoy the game.

Sanis.1096:

so you have just scratched the surface in pvp… the pvp in gw2 is totally new if you compare it to other mmorpgs… it takes time to adjust

I have a pretty deep background in PvP to begin with.. I realize there is a period where adjustment is required..

My post is meant to give Anet the idea that they should really hurry up with addressing these issues.. Right now these issues are game breaking for me and im warning alot of my friends away for the time being.

Im also very worried that balance may be impossible to achieve without gutting these two classes as they are built now.

The only way I can think of to balance this issue out would be to dramatically reduce the DPS that both classes put out to justify their utility.. I doubt that would go over well..

Other wise, changing the targ dropping/duplicate nature of either class really ruins their flavor..

Bottom line with regard to STOMP.. the second a stomp begins any stealth should instantly be dropped.. For this there can be no discussion.. I wont play a game where my Warrior is basically STOMP bait for any thief..

I think the targeting issue (at least for me) stems from accidentally clicking on something as you’re swinging your camera around with right click. Pretty absurd that this is not changed or an option added to disable this.

Every class has access to stomp-aids. Stealth is not a 100% guaranteed finisher. It is how you are supposed to play the game. You can still interrupt a stealth stomp.

If you think a class is OP then play it.

• maybe it really is op
• maybe it’s not, but you learn how to counter it

This game is not completely balanced, but:

• no game ever is
• balance patches will certainly come, keep your panties on
• the majority of complainers could stand to L2P
• people may have unrealistic expectations of their class/build
  • judging from gw1, game is unlikely to be balanced around 1v1 combat

Snido.4827:

You are only R11, you havent played enough to really make the determination that the game is unplayable.

Most of your “broken” gameplay problems can be attributed to lack of experience and teamwork. Find a guild, play on a team, play free tourneys and enjoy the game.

I agree that most of my issues could be solved with a solid premade group.. I usually use PvP to get recruited into a strong guild after I watch how they perform in PvP. All I see right now is really not good PvP at all.. I see people exploiting broken class mechanics and calling it skill..

I wont back down on the thief stomping thing.. that has to be a bug man.. its just plain dumb..

My character is designed to be the Main Assist.. I mark every target i go for.. I find it easy to pick out the real mesmer.. yes its easy.. but once my target drops and I try to reacquire Im getting really sick of mesmers running in a darn circle and jumping and dodging and making double after double and switching and thieves as well.. You cannot TAB target and there is almost no way to get a good click off..

Maybe im getting old, but ive never had a hard time clicking akittengood target and having the assist train do the work while i provide the CC and in this case heavy bleed..

Play the class you are pissy at and learn how others counter it so you can counter it. 100 more games as a wammo isnt going to help you.

Lol Snido.. you were doing so good.. Why suddenly turn into a Kitten??

Im not the only guy who isnt happy at all with this crap.. L2P got old after season 1 of LoL..

and FYI when i say stomping get me killed.. Im referring to the fact that some classes can prolong the stomping process to a painful level which exposes me to missed opportunities and additional damage from a fight I just barely won to begin with..

Im sure I can just find another game that works better than this.. Players like me are usually sought after since I run a tight ship from a leadership role in solid groups.. i doubt ill waste my time with this game unless these issues are addressed in a big hurry..

Maybe this game just isnt for me.. I dont really find much weight in all the counter arguements you guys are presenting.. Aside from the comment about finding a strong tourney group..

Duukar.3061:

Wolfe.3097:

if you finish number 1 or 2 on yoru team it just means you run with the zerg and tag everything before it dies.

ive never had a problem with targetting strangely

and stealth doesnt garuantee the thief getting a execute. any non target required interrupt can hit him

This reply is so weak its absurd.. So anyone finishing in the top spot or 2 is zerging? Can be that they revive and go to points that the team has neglected.. or defend points.. or god forbid get a kill or 10 as a non thief..

Ive never had an issues with targetting til I played this game. Even SWTOR I found easy.. I also used to run as the MA merc and Warrior in my DAoC gank grps.. or MA on my fire wiz..

FYI DAoC is likely the best pvp game ever made..

This game has kitten tons of potential, but right now it just isnt fun.. Id rather go back to SWTOR or get MechWarrior Online.

i played the objectives, you still end up behind the zerg in terms of glory, sorry to say, its something they should fix, but atm its the way it is.

and daoc pvp SUCKED SO FREAKING MUCH, good concept, poorly executed

Duukar.3061:

This wasnt meant to be a thief hate post..

Im mostlykitten about these 3 things really sapping the fun out of the game. I play to be competitive and win.. I feel more and more like I need to be a thief of mesmer to achieve that goal.. I cant stand it.

Its dumb that one class has a WAYYYY better chance to land a STOMP than any other class. Landing a STOMP is one of the hardest things ive found in this game.. It gets me killed more often than not.. Now I usually just sit back and blast away with my 132 bleed tick rifle shots to get a kill.. it takes FOREVER and a day..

every class has a #2 that is supposed to stop one or multiple attempts for a STOMP.. thieves negate like 50% of the classes #2.. Thats really not something I can come to terms with especially given the amount of DPS and they provide and how hard it is to STOMP them..

Mesmers ruin pvp.. Both classes are the cause of the target dropping issues which are then followed by chaotic fights with a million doubles and pets..

Lets add sharks to the mix with a mesmer in Capricorn and now im really happy when my target drops..

i agree thief downed state is kinda dumb, needs some adjustment imo, i honestly think its a case of learning the classes, i played thief first, tried out warrior…destroyeed the theives around me cuz i knew there tricks.

its not that hard

Duukar.3061:

Sanis.1096:

so you have just scratched the surface in pvp… the pvp in gw2 is totally new if you compare it to other mmorpgs… it takes time to adjust

I have a pretty deep background in PvP to begin with.. I realize there is a period where adjustment is required..

My post is meant to give Anet the idea that they should really hurry up with addressing these issues.. Right now these issues are game breaking for me and im warning alot of my friends away for the time being.

Im also very worried that balance may be impossible to achieve without gutting these two classes as they are built now.

The only way I can think of to balance this issue out would be to dramatically reduce the DPS that both classes put out to justify their utility.. I doubt that would go over well..

Other wise, changing the targ dropping/duplicate nature of either class really ruins their flavor..

Bottom line with regard to STOMP.. the second a stomp begins any stealth should instantly be dropped.. For this there can be no discussion.. I wont play a game where my Warrior is basically STOMP bait for any thief..

i swear to god people will never stop whining about every single freaking aspect of the thief class…and the only utility we bring is some steal buffs (if traited), black powder (if pistol offhand), and our ability to stomp.

Duukar.3061:

Lol Snido.. you were doing so good.. Why suddenly turn into a Kitten??

Im not the only guy who isnt happy at all with this crap.. L2P got old after season 1 of LoL..

and FYI when i say stomping get me killed.. Im referring to the fact that some classes can prolong the stomping process to a painful level which exposes me to missed opportunities and additional damage from a fight I just barely won to begin with..

Im sure I can just find another game that works better than this.. Players like me are usually sought after since I run a tight ship from a leadership role in solid groups.. i doubt ill waste my time with this game unless these issues are addressed in a big hurry..

Maybe this game just isnt for me.. I dont really find much weight in all the counter arguements you guys are presenting.. Aside from the comment about finding a strong tourney group..

thank goodness /bye

Duukar.3061:

Thieves get auto down kills from stealth every time.. They do way too much damage and can escape way too easily..

Mesmers are OP and broken as all heck.. mostly due to targetting issues and too much dmg while being impossible to attack.

As an Engineer i got no problems with thieves or mesmers. Play smart and they die easly.

A big part of GW2s problem is pvp is complicated and most of the players don’t really understand it yet.

You complain about thieves going stealth to down enemies, but there is another class that is much worse.

Elementalists can simply go mist form to either down an enemy or raise an ally, in this form they are basically immune to all damage except conditions previously applied to them.

So if an elementalist wants you dead and your downed theres basically nothing anyone can do about it.

I know this because I play elementalist in pvp, a class that everyone says is “terrible” in pvp, but seems to be rather powerful if you know what your doing.

I’m really confused as to why targeting matters in a game where a target isn’t required to perform abilities.

I literally couldn’t care less about what target I have when fighting say, a Mesmer in 1v1, because I’ll just follow the real one and my hits will land on him regardless.

If there’s an enemy between you and your target, you’ll hit the enemy instead of your target anyway. So you’re thinking WAY too much about targeting.

Thieves are fine.

Mesmers are semi-fine (moa needs a nerf)

Elementalist down state needs a buff (or every other downed state needs a nerf)

Fix’d.

Ergo Proxy.. The difference is there isnt 4 elementalists in every game trying to mist form auto kill me and my team every time someone gets downed and succeeding like 80% of the time.. I agree – Its a stupid mechanic in any case..

Sonho – Man… I love it when people make rediculous claims.. If you mean by play smart make em fight in your own little mini arena that it takes you 15 seconds to erect.. then yes.. Play “smart” and they die easily.. Going down in history as the worst players ever..

Wolfe – I dont have the patience to deal with you.. Anyone with half a brain can see you likely didnt pass 3rd grade.. You quote me quoting others like 4 times in a row.. Saying "yeah thief downed mechanic is broken’’… then in the very next repeated quote yer like “god! when will people stop complaining about every aspect of thieves!!”

so funny since you had just complained yourself one reply up….

Duukar.3061:

Ergo Proxy.. The difference is there isnt 4 elementalists in every game trying to mist form auto kill me and my team every time someone gets downed and succeeding like 80% of the time.. I agree – Its a stupid mechanic in any case..

Sonho – Man… I love it when people make rediculous claims.. If you mean by play smart make em fight in your own little mini arena that it takes you 15 seconds to erect.. then yes.. Play “smart” and they die easily.. Going down in history as the worst players ever..

Wolfe – I dont have the patience to deal with you.. Anyone with half a brain can see you likely didnt pass 3rd grade.. You quote me quoting others like 4 times in a row.. Saying "yeah thief downed mechanic is broken’’… then in the very next repeated quote yer like “god! when will people stop complaining about every aspect of thieves!!”

so funny since you had just complained yourself one reply up….

If you dont like the game as is you are free to leave and come back when the state has improved to your liking. Til then mocking the devlopers and calling core mechanics they worked so hard on unplayable because you cant take time to further improve yourself.

Obviously im trying to motivate them to figure out a fix like NOW and release their findings ASAP..

I spent my money on this game.. the PvE is fun.. the game looks beautiful.. There is alot of potential for endless pvp builds and class use.. Fix it fast so I dont have to go.. At least admit there is an issue and let me know a fix is coming.. I would prefer this.. hence I post clear arguments on what broken and request a fix.. FAST.

Duukar.3061:

Obviously im trying to motivate them to figure out a fix like NOW and release their findings ASAP..

I spent my money on this game.. the PvE is fun.. the game looks beautiful.. There is alot of potential for endless pvp builds and class use.. Fix it fast so I dont have to go.. At least admit there is an issue and let me know a fix is coming.. I would prefer this.. hence I post clear arguments on what broken and request a fix.. FAST.

Ciao~

The only issue you’ve posted about is targeting, and as we all know, it’s not necessary to target anything.

Duukar.3061:

Obviously im trying to motivate them to figure out a fix like NOW and release their findings ASAP..

I spent my money on this game.. the PvE is fun.. the game looks beautiful.. There is alot of potential for endless pvp builds and class use.. Fix it fast so I dont have to go.. At least admit there is an issue and let me know a fix is coming.. I would prefer this.. hence I post clear arguments on what broken and request a fix.. FAST.

First they did already say theyll be putting up a blog post soon about all the stuff they have planned. Obviously if they could have had it out now they would have. But I guess they must run of magical pixie unicorn fairy dust that allows them to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I mean why cant they fix everything now inbetween fixing content for pve, getting rid of the botters and fixing the exploits, fixing dungeon issues, fixing bugged traits, fixing billing issues. How dare they not fix everything right now so i can have it now.

Duukar.3061:

Ergo Proxy.. The difference is there isnt 4 elementalists in every game trying to mist form auto kill me and my team every time someone gets downed and succeeding like 80% of the time.. I agree – Its a stupid mechanic in any case..

Sonho – Man… I love it when people make rediculous claims.. If you mean by play smart make em fight in your own little mini arena that it takes you 15 seconds to erect.. then yes.. Play “smart” and they die easily.. Going down in history as the worst players ever..

Wolfe – I dont have the patience to deal with you.. Anyone with half a brain can see you likely didnt pass 3rd grade.. You quote me quoting others like 4 times in a row.. Saying "yeah thief downed mechanic is broken’’… then in the very next repeated quote yer like “god! when will people stop complaining about every aspect of thieves!!”

so funny since you had just complained yourself one reply up….

my exasperation is in regards to the myriad of nerf thief for reasons x, y and z.

i maintain that thief downed state is out of line, as well as its underwater spear #5 skill. the fact that you cant figure this out that im trying to be unbiased in my arguments means at this moment your the pot calling the kettle black.

Sonho.3697:

As an Engineer i got no problems with thieves or mesmers. Play smart and they die easly.

Please tell me what you do, exactly. I am an Engineer as well, and would like to learn. Please be specific.

Laserbolt.6731:

Sonho.3697:

As an Engineer i got no problems with thieves or mesmers. Play smart and they die easly.

Please tell me what you do, exactly. I am an Engineer as well, and would like to learn. Please be specific.

while i dont know what they do, there are certain engineers that definitly give me trouble. i think they are more sustain oriented but i could be wrong.

Shield/pistol bomb engineers are pretty good.

I wanted this games pvp to be great, it just isn’t and I don’t see it getting there any time soon.

The desire to play is all but gone.

Zin.6170:

I wanted this games pvp to be great, it just isn’t and I don’t see it getting there any time soon.

The desire to play is all but gone.

Cool.

Duukar.3061:

Thieves get auto down kills from stealth every time.. They do way too much damage and can escape way too easily..

Mesmers are OP and broken as all heck.. mostly due to targetting issues and too much dmg while being impossible to attack.

Targetting is broken.. How can I play a game where my target drops every 5 seconds and then im forced to try and tab thru 14 targets in to try and get a real target that will just drop again in 5 seconds anyway.. Or I can try to mouse click in total and complete chaos where 4 out of every 5 targets isnt even a player.. Oh and then the target will drop again anyway…

Of course when one complains about stuff like this they are told.. “its just cause yer bad” or “Thats called skill”

Its not skill.. Its called exploiting a broken class mechanic.

I feel like the pvp in this game is basically smashing my head into a wall over and over and asking for more..

Sadly its getting worse and worse as more and more people realize to compete and have fun they need to be a thief or mesmer..

I have a fun game maybe once in every 5 or 6 games..

before you guys start on the “skill” comments or that “youre just bad”

I ALWAYS FINISH #1 or #2 on my team.. like 90% of the time.

This game sucks right now.

1. Thieves do good damage, although its easily avoidable, its called dodge. Or to spec your character to where you would have more outs.

2. Mesmers are far from broken, I’ve played a mesmer, thief, warrior, & ele. Have you heard of something called targeting? sure the mesmer can take it off if he decoy’s or uses other invis spells. But that’s when you use something called common sense to tell which one is real mesmer such as dodging, or if hes really dumb look for him backpeddeling. And you complain about mesmers having a million pets. Perhaps you are bad with math, its 3

3. Downstate with some classes can be a pain to deal with yes. But sometimes there is a thing called patience. Stability and other things come into factor when downing someone, if you don’t know what it is look it up. Sometimes I even use my elite to down a player, in short you must use skills you don’t want to to finish a kill. There are many ways around it. But if you think someone is going to just simply let you down them by simply hitting the F key then you are full of it.

4. Swtor was a horrible game, why? Why do you think it’s partially free to play? Because the majority thought the same. The world PvP was very imbalanced, there was no number balance between sith and jedi. Yeah I thought hutball was fun, but other than that it was a poorly thought out game when it came to PvP.

5. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Wolfe.3097:

Duukar.3061:

Ergo Proxy.. The difference is there isnt 4 elementalists in every game trying to mist form auto kill me and my team every time someone gets downed and succeeding like 80% of the time.. I agree – Its a stupid mechanic in any case..

Sonho – Man… I love it when people make rediculous claims.. If you mean by play smart make em fight in your own little mini arena that it takes you 15 seconds to erect.. then yes.. Play “smart” and they die easily.. Going down in history as the worst players ever..

Wolfe – I dont have the patience to deal with you.. Anyone with half a brain can see you likely didnt pass 3rd grade.. You quote me quoting others like 4 times in a row.. Saying "yeah thief downed mechanic is broken’’… then in the very next repeated quote yer like “god! when will people stop complaining about every aspect of thieves!!”

so funny since you had just complained yourself one reply up….

my exasperation is in regards to the myriad of nerf thief for reasons x, y and z.

i maintain that thief downed state is out of line, as well as its underwater spear #5 skill. the fact that you cant figure this out that im trying to be unbiased in my arguments means at this moment your the pot calling the kettle black.

i loled so hard, your just bad, your probably used to having a healer to support you

duukar stop playing 8v8.
really, do you have enough of pvp in gw2? stop playing 8v8
start playing 5v5. you will see that the fun will grow.

I got lazy on my last post I was heading out the door, but yea 5v5 not 8v8. 8v8 is to learn the maps 5v5 is to play the game. If you can’t find a group enter free toruneys as a lone person and it will put you in a group. Just try that. Also like I said change classes, try a condition trapping ranger or something.

Obnoxious over-encompassing post once again…

If you think it’s unplayable, don’t play. You’re not even trying to help make it better with constructive feedback, you’re just whining.

Pretty sure I just listed 3 very fixable issues quite clearly..

Ill admit – I just did some Tourney play and I had alot of fun. I was able to do what I designed my character to do and it was alot less chaotic..

8v8 just sucks!! 5v5 was pretty fun.. I ran some serious chain CC with tons of bleed dmg and picked some solid targets my team dropped in a hurry while they stood in 1 spot..

I went 1v1 with a guard and smoked him HARD.. I dont get why people say they are OP..

Still cannot wrap my brain around stealth and mist form Stomps.. Its just not right..

It’s perfectly fine. They’re using cooldowns to down you, that’s what’s “just not right.” It shouldn’t be necessary to land a first-try-kill.

Rika.7249:

It’s perfectly fine. They’re using cooldowns to down you, that’s what’s “just not right.” It shouldn’t be necessary to land a first-try-kill.

Rika its not perfectly fine. It completely changes the whole direction of a team fight if you guy gets akittennear automatic Stomp and Rallies like 3 or 4 guys we have killed…

It’s perfectly fine because the elementalist decided to use one of his best defensive cooldowns offensively to make sure you go down the first time.

That is clever use of an ability, and it should be rewarded.

That is what being outplayed is.

The best part is that I have never ever been finished by an elementalist in mist form. I didn’t even know they could do it. It’s totally fine with me though. I’m lying on the floor bleeding, I don’t expect to be able to hinder anyone. Neither should you.

I haven’t read through the whole thread but I have to say I agree with OP. This game is not fun atm, it’s only frustrating! Every time I play it ends with me loggin out angry. I played through all BWEs and stress tests and I loved sPVP back then. Now, it’s so unblanced I don’t want to login because I’m afrarid I’m going to start hating the game. It’s so sad because this game has so much potential…

Stadig.7325:

I haven’t read through the whole thread but I have to say I agree with OP. This game is not fun atm, it’s only frustrating! Every time I play it ends with me loggin out angry. I played through all BWEs and stress tests and I loved sPVP back then. Now, it’s so unblanced I don’t want to login because I’m afrarid I’m going to start hating the game. It’s so sad because this game has so much potential…

>Played through all BWEs, loved balance in SPvP
>Hates balance now.

Duukar, regarding stealth stomp, as I’ve already mentioned you can still hit the thief. If you know where he is, aim there and use your #2 downed skill to try and interrupt him. All classes have some form of this “next level” stomp and each has counters. Except Engineer Elixer S and Ele mistform, which I’m not sure how to counter those yet. If it really bothers you, try to coordinate with someone on your team that has some kind of aoe interrupt (warriors are good for this, especially hammer) so when you go down to a thief the warrior can come and easy mode save you. These types of downed fights are like escalating arms races: the team that is most coordinated and prepared for these situations usually wins. As a side note, yesterday I prevented a stealth stomp on my ally by stealthing the both of us and ressing him.

To help with targeting, bind a key to the “Lock autotarget” option in settings.

Targeting works like this: If you cast a spell or just happen to gain a target by looking at an enemy, you will have an “auto target”. If you look at a different enemy or something, you will lose that target and target something else.

A “locked target”, which you get by either tabbing to the target manually or pressing the lock autotarget key on an autotarget, will stay your target until you change it or kill it.

Mesmer illusion abilities cause you to lose targets. This is required to make them work, if you could just perma target them as they made clones their whole mechanic would be useless and no fun for the player.