Guild Wars 2

So do I get this right?
We don’t get alot of armor sets in the game anyway. Even PvE didn’t see alot of new full armor sets in 2 years of GW2. Now you create 2 new armor sets and make them PvP only which is great so far for the PvP community. And then you decide to put one of them behind a tournament wall where basically the same 100 players will participate over and over? Those 100 players that are also your target demographic for the standardised models, so the enemy doesn’t even see that you have that armor?

Or are there plans to actually make really big open tournaments. And with big I mean in the 100k+ participants, and everyone gets the armor regardless of whether they came far or not.

The glorious armor sounds cool though.

are there 100k PvP players?

most likely they won’t even look that differently so i don’t care that much tbh. it’s not a bad idea to encourage players to participate in a tournament for exclusive armors. but i agree on that standart character argument :P

Jekkt.6045:

are there 100k PvP players?

most likely they won’t even look that differently so i don’t care that much tbh. it’s not a bad idea to encourage players to participate in a tournament for exclusive armors. but i agree on that standart character argument :P

Well the barrier for those armor sets is too massive. It will never encourage players that didn’t participate in those tournaments before to try it. Take a look at the current one.

In order to be invited to the Gamescom tournament you have to play multiple tournaments before, and be in the Top 3 most of the time.
Then you get to the big tournament where the place 1-3 get the armor set. So 15 people will get it.
Even if more people try to get it, it will stay 15 and you just have even more competition.
Not to mention that one team might win it multiple times.

How to do prestige for those in the tournaments done right:
Let’s call it “Wall of Fame”

It is a huge, glowing wall in a prominent position within the heart of the mist.
If you click it, it will open an interface where every tournament played and player that played is searchable. It shows teams of that tournament, winner, matchups, scores etc.

All that fancy stuff. Those that participated in those tournaments will be immortilized on that wall, and they will still be there even if they quit.

Yet another stupid idea by Anet.

I believe it would be better if that set would be a reward for Legendary Champion or something higher so everyone can work towards it.

Wait…. your complaining about PvP gear being skill based? Go to pve if you just wanna farm…

You can loose every single game you have ever played and still get a set of glory armor from the PvP reward track. I don’t call that skill based.

It totally okey that u can earn this armor set by playing in a Tournament otherwise it wouldnt be rare. So pls go back to pve

Boohoo, there is a set you need to work for (and get good) and that is totally unfair…

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Ever thought about the fact that this is finally a competitive reward ? You know, something that makes teams stand out from your average Brandon (Joe)?

You people who think you are entitled to everything really should stop bothering even glancing over a competitive scene… You are not supposed to have everything if you lack the skills… Still want it badly? Get good, the PvP community is waiting…

Pvp exclusive rewards are good but we need seasons and league + pvp rewards linked too.

MarkPhilips.5169:

Pvp exclusive rewards are good but we need seasons and league + pvp rewards linked too.

Of course…

But this is the first step in 2 years! My God, it is more than most people expected!

…

I sure as hell became one of those…

You guys really don’t get it right?
Most, if not all of you who posted there, will not be able to get the Glorious Hero armor.

ANet used time of designers and animators to create armors most people will not even see, yet alone get for themself to wear. It is a total waste of ressources.
They could have used that time to create content for everyone. But they instead opted to create content for probably less than 100 players.

The blog stated that the glorious hero armor will be later available through other means.

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Boohoo, there is a set you need to work for (and get good) and that is totally unfair…

Here’s the problem with your post: working hard and being good won’t be enough. We have, thus, an example of extremes: the easier version will be obtainable through farm (no skill involved), the more prestigious version will be gated to tournaments where only the top of the top participate in.

The playerbase at the middleground between those two extremes, which is to say, all those that “have to work hard and get good” (but will very rarely become godlike to participate in tourneys and win against the best of the best), which are the target playerbase in your post, won’t get anything better than the farmers.

Stop complainig, this is great stuff.

The lower grade will still take 6x full reward tracks , which PvE baddies who only hotjoin will still take long to do (24 days min), so they probably wont even go for it.
And even if, youll still look awesome wearing a PVP armor which your PVE dungeon party members wont be able to buy even though they have 1000gold more than you

The higher version?
I sadly know i wont be able to get it, but im sure itll spark some competition between the best of the best.

I think we just now need a middle ground pvp exclusive:

• a few 10x poeple will get the glory hero
• ??? .. something a few 100x , like topp500,1000 leaderboards can get
• a few 1000x (basicaly anybody who farmed reward track) will get regular glory set

Backpack.8517:

Wait…. your complaining about PvP gear being skill based? Go to pve if you just wanna farm…

The problem here is : Not everyone is able to participate, or enter into those tournaments .

I for example, I am not a bad pvplayet at all, rank tiger and going forward, I play just fine and most of matchs I rarely die. BUT, I can’t travel to participate into tournaments live like that, and into tournaments like the tournaments of legensds I need a full team and a free time to participate. Sadly, I don’t have any of the 2.

Whatever, I dislike the idea of rewards locked behind especific group of selected players. The best model for anything “Prestige” for me, is still elite dungeons/boss just like liadri, or Lupi, or even liadri and lupi together. Something that is hard, and based only and only on player skill. Not on especific factors that exclude other players.

Backpack.8517:

Wait…. your complaining about PvP gear being skill based? Go to pve if you just wanna farm…

Agreed. It’s great that they are giving out some skill based rewards. Nice to see the PvP Reward Tracks finally as well. Bummed they dropped the old system of earning armor and weapon sets though for PvP.

DiogoSilva.7089:

The blog stated that the glorious hero armor will be later available through other means.

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Boohoo, there is a set you need to work for (and get good) and that is totally unfair…

Here’s the problem with your post: working hard and being good won’t be enough. We have, thus, an example of extremes: the easier version will be obtainable through farm (no skill involved), the more prestigious version will be gated to tournaments where only the top of the top participate in.

The playerbase at the middleground between those two extremes, which is to say, all those that “have to work hard and get good” (but will very rarely become godlike to participate in tourneys and win against the best of the best), which are the target playerbase in your post, won’t get anything better than the farmers.

Wauw… and did you ever consider this is the first step they even made in competitive rewards?

Look further than what is given, they are actually thinking and working on it now! Yes, now you have a black and white option, but good grief, without those we would’ve spent another two years of bashing eachother’s heads in with legendaries which we all farmed in CoF…

Also, just because it is gated, doesn’t mean it is not unobtainable… Who knows how many teams have left or rotated the Top 10 in time given that we finally have something to obtain? Did you honestly think that teams like Team Mist, Apex Prime, 55HP Monks etc, are unbeatable?

My advise, be grateful and patient… We finally have something, and though we can ask for more (which I totally agree on), we cannot complain about the current implementations of the two…
Get Good.

Varonth.5830:

We don’t get alot of armor sets in the game anyway.

Is this serious? o.O

How many armor sets do you expect to get in a game that’s less than 2 years old?

I do agree it’s a first step, GoogleBrandon. I’m also excited for the version obtainable through the reward track.

GoogleBrandon.5073:

DiogoSilva.7089:

The blog stated that the glorious hero armor will be later available through other means.

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Boohoo, there is a set you need to work for (and get good) and that is totally unfair…

Here’s the problem with your post: working hard and being good won’t be enough. We have, thus, an example of extremes: the easier version will be obtainable through farm (no skill involved), the more prestigious version will be gated to tournaments where only the top of the top participate in.

The playerbase at the middleground between those two extremes, which is to say, all those that “have to work hard and get good” (but will very rarely become godlike to participate in tourneys and win against the best of the best), which are the target playerbase in your post, won’t get anything better than the farmers.

Wauw… and did you ever consider this is the first step they even made in competitive rewards?

Look further than what is given, they are actually thinking and working on it now! Yes, now you have a black and white option, but good grief, without those we would’ve spent another two years of bashing eachother’s heads in with legendaries which we all farmed in CoF…

Also, just because it is gated, doesn’t mean it is not unobtainable… Who knows how many teams have left or rotated the Top 10 in time given that we finally have something to obtain? Did you honestly think that teams like Team Mist, Apex Prime, 55HP Monks etc, are unbeatable?

My advise, be grateful and patient… We finally have something, and though we can ask for more (which I totally agree on), we cannot complain about the current implementations of the two…
Get Good.

You still don’t get it.
We have less than we could have. Everyone here knows that PvP does not content as much content updates. Now if you don’t complain when ANet decides that the already limited ressources we get, is spent on content most of us cannot participate in, then they might get the idea to make more such content, because lets be honest it is very likely that the top teams at some point starting winning a second set. And then ANet might think about getting new exclusive items, taking them away yet again from everyone else.

There should always be a way to obtain things ingame. Does not have to be easy, but there should be a way. The current way of obtaining them via tournaments is just stupid.
Who knows what is next year? Maybe ANet decided until then, that tournaments just aren’t worth the money put into organising them and therefore that content is just lost.

And right now, it does not something good for the PvP community either. The amount of new PvP players that will go to PvP for the Glorious Hero armor will be somewhere around 0. They could have used the time it took to create that armor, for something everyone has a chance to get/use. If we would get 2 armor sets instead of one, we would get more new players for PvP. But instead we just get one armor set.

It sounds to me like you do not get it, but I digress…

Take some time to read what I said, for I would only repeat it over and over…

Meanwhile though, stop crying about rewards being there for the high end – where they freaking should be… Or are you going to complain about not being able to get a Gold Medal as well since only those who trained for it can get it?

GoogleBrandon.5073:

It sounds to me like you do not get it, but I digress…

Take some time to read what I said, for I would only repeat it over and over…

Meanwhile though, stop crying about rewards being there for the high end – where they freaking should be… Or are you going to complain about not being able to get a Gold Medal as well since only those who trained for it can get it?

Your gold medal idea is wrong, as there are different ways to obtaining them. A quick google search gave me more than enough people and organisation selling them. You can just buy certain gold medals online.

Not saying you should be able to buy the armor set.
Here is an idea of how to distribute them to other players:
ANet will give out 15 armor sets to the winners of the current tournament.
Everyone that has a part of the set grants special points on a special PvP track if you beat them in a match. When that track is filled you can choose one piece from the pieces your enemies had while filling the track. If the enemies you beat had all pieces you can freely choose one. If you just beat people with breastplate, shoes and shoulders you will just be able to choose breastplate, shoes or shoulders.

If you don’t win, you can farm as much as you will, you won’t get those. But if you win against better players you will progress towards the full armor.

And as a unique reward they get a title. Titles don’t take alot of time to create, can be personalized and specific.
If the winner gets a titles “Winner of the Gamescom Tournament 2014” everyone will know exactly what they accomplished, even PvP newcomers.

Varonth.5830:

Your gold medal idea is wrong, as there are different ways to obtaining them. A quick google search gave me more than enough people and organisation selling them. You can just buy certain gold medals online.

And it is this additude why this armour should be in the game and is a good thing… You are too self-entitled to have everything and do not even care about the effort that people do put into it… I mean, the only reason you say that people “can buy it” is because there are people like you who apparently do want to have the price without competing…

This armour should never, ever, be obtainable by normal ways aside from winning specific tournaments… And if you cannot see the reason why not, then this discussion is simply over…

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Varonth.5830:

Your gold medal idea is wrong, as there are different ways to obtaining them. A quick google search gave me more than enough people and organisation selling them. You can just buy certain gold medals online.

And it is this additude why this armour should be in the game and is a good thing… You are too self-entitled to have everything and do not even care about the effort that people do put into it… I mean, the only reason you say that people “can buy it” is because there are people like you who apparently do want to have the price without competing…

This armour should never, ever, be obtainable by normal ways aside from winning specific tournaments… And if you cannot see the reason why not, then this discussion is simply over…

You didn’t read the rest of my post, didn’t you?
I mean that is the reason why you just quoted a part of it, because the other part would invalidate what you try to interpret in my first part.

Varonth.5830:

You didn’t read the rest of my post, didn’t you?
I mean that is the reason why you just quoted a part of it, because the other part would invalidate what you try to interpret in my first part.

Frankly I did…

This armour should never, ever, be obtainable by normal ways aside from winning specific tournaments… And if you cannot see the reason why not, then this discussion is simply over…

Get over it…

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Varonth.5830:

You didn’t read the rest of my post, didn’t you?
I mean that is the reason why you just quoted a part of it, because the other part would invalidate what you try to interpret in my first part.

Frankly I did…

This armour should never, ever, be obtainable by normal ways aside from winning specific tournaments… And if you cannot see the reason why not, then this discussion is simply over…

Get over it…

Then please repeat in your own words what my suggestion of alternative ways of obtaining the set is.

By getting good…

Shocking ey?

That I did misread… anywway, that would still be my point…

Does seem like a huge waste of resources.

3 million PvE players have been begging for new ingame armors for 2 years….

They make a PvP armor set that <100 players will even try to get…

Logic…. Anet has none.

GoogleBrandon nobody likes elitist pricks nor cares what they have to say, take it elsewhere.

Since it’s always going to be the same people in the tournaments, no how much you say to “git good” or how much people actually try to “git gud”, the prestige set should also be available as a high rank reward so people have incentive other than/beyond the dragon finisher.

Right now, the pvp rewards are really poor. You make far more gold per hour in EotM and dungeons. That should be looked at. We, the average players, the BULK of the community, need more reasons to pvp (and play GW2 in general).

you wont even see their armors and their legendary weapon when they play so it wont matter, its useless.

I’m not a PvP player by all means and have no idea what goes on there so I figured I’ll just ask here: do you have to be physically present in the tournament to have a chance at getting the glorious hero set? I have no idea how the tournament of legends/glory/whatever rules go.

well as standard models will make us all look like rank1 noobs anyway it doesn’t really matter
RIP my 3000g greatsaw skin. hello ugly basic greatsword…

standard models ftl.
option to make asuras 30% larger ftw.

Leo Paul.1659:

I’m not a PvP player by all means and have no idea what goes on there so I figured I’ll just ask here: do you have to be physically present in the tournament to have a chance at getting the glorious hero set? I have no idea how the tournament of legends/glory/whatever rules go.

The Gamescom International All-Stars Tournament gives the Armor out the the worlds 3 best teams. So you have to win.

I wouldn’t be too surprised if Glorious Hero Armor is just Glorious armor just with glowly parts like gold trimmed capes in Gw1.

Liewec.2896:

well as standard models will make us all look like rank1 noobs anyway it doesn’t really matter
RIP my 3000g greatsaw skin. hello ugly basic greatsword…

standard models ftl.
option to make asuras 30% larger ftw.

It doesn’t change your character model, only your enemies. L2R.

I hope the old models that were PvP only that you can’t get anymore are also earnable through that track…. I destroyed a few pieces of mine for matts before they even warned us that we wouldn’t be able to get them anymore…

Eurantien.4632:

Liewec.2896:

well as standard models will make us all look like rank1 noobs anyway it doesn’t really matter
RIP my 3000g greatsaw skin. hello ugly basic greatsword…

standard models ftl.
option to make asuras 30% larger ftw.

It doesn’t change your character model, only your enemies. L2R.

that is what i was implying…L2RBTL
to your enemies you will look like a rank 1 rabbit no matter if your char was already human or how much time/gold/real world money you’ve spent on your appearance.

asuras are the issue
they should just make asuras larger in pvp, it doesn’t even need to be by much.

Toxicity.5392:

GoogleBrandon nobody likes elitist pricks nor cares what they have to say, take it elsewhere.

Since it’s always going to be the same people in the tournaments, no how much you say to “git good” or how much people actually try to “git gud”, the prestige set should also be available as a high rank reward so people have incentive other than/beyond the dragon finisher.

Right now, the pvp rewards are really poor. You make far more gold per hour in EotM and dungeons. That should be looked at. We, the average players, the BULK of the community, need more reasons to pvp (and play GW2 in general).

Nobody likes people that think they are entitled to anything and everything. He isn’t being elitist by stating that we need more skill-gated items (we do). You can earn a new armor set in a reasonable amount of time by winning PvP matches, or earn it through an extremely tedious grind by losing every match. The best of the best have a shot at an exclusive armor set. I will re-state what he tried to say to that guy four times. Get good OR settle for the lesser pvp set. Your choice.

Liewec.2896:

Eurantien.4632:

Liewec.2896:

well as standard models will make us all look like rank1 noobs anyway it doesn’t really matter
RIP my 3000g greatsaw skin. hello ugly basic greatsword…

standard models ftl.
option to make asuras 30% larger ftw.

It doesn’t change your character model, only your enemies. L2R.

that is what i was implying…L2RBTL
to your enemies you will look like a rank 1 rabbit no matter if your char was already human or how much time/gold/real world money you’ve spent on your appearance.

asuras are the issue
they should just make asuras larger in pvp, it doesn’t even need to be by much.

To be honest when I’m pvping I never care how the enemy looks like or what nice weapon he is equipping, it is a psychological thing. If you just play to see what nice skin your enemy is wearing then I don’t know how you pvp. The only folks who should see and care how you look like are your friends or teammates.

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

Holy cow! You can just buy gold medals online! That’s crazy! Vee Wee is now an olympic gold medalist in Judo, 55 meter dash, the javelin toss, and FOOTBALL! Kneel before Vee Wee!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Threads like these frustrate me. You need exclusivity in a PvP to bolster competition and facilitate an environment where people have something over the horizon to reach for. If you just give everything to everyone, your players are just going to get bored and quit. Seeing good players wearing this armor around in the mist is going to give the casuals something to aim for. Maybe they know that they won’t get it in a month or even a year, but it’s something that could keep them interested in the game for an extended period of time. (think like glad mounts in WoW or ranked summoner icons in LoL).

Furthermore, I don’t think you understand the amount of resources required for drawing/modeling an armor set into a video game. Design and texturing takes artistic skill, but it doesn’t take a whole lot of people or time to actually put a single item together in a 3d modeling software and render it into the game (I used to play around with 3d modeling/printing software a bit when I was in high school, made some pretty l33t swords). So stop crying like they pulled 1/2 of the entire art team off of living world for a year to create 2 armor sets.

Why do people always seems to lie when talking about new armor sets?
We always hear about how there have been no new armor-sets since release, despite we getting a full one at the very least and a rather large bunch of parts for others.

Why do the Elitists like to throw around “Git-Gud” like it will somehow invalidate any arguments to the contrary. Let’s face it, the exclusive set will probably just be particle-effects, but none-the-less maybe that’s something that a good player wants to work for. Except lets paint this with some truth. They will never obtain it. So far the tournaments have been locked behind conventions and physical money obligations. There are players even better then those that are currently in the running, hundreds of times better. They however do not have the sort of cashflow that the current esports teams have. Let alone the ability to fly overseas to participate in these current running. So the term git-gud does not apply. Being the top player in the world does not net you the set. In fact it Net’s you nothing but a chance(If you have the money) to participate to get the set. So lets call it what this is, its Pay to wear armor. Yes you have to have some skill, but you need a lot of money too. How this is “good for the PVP” community I am unsure. I’m all for competitive rewards, but lets not pretend that this reward is in anyway completely related to skill when money does factor in a lot. Anet is not paying these E sport’s fanatics to fly over to Germany. Again, all for really competitive things. But people should stop throwing around the git-gud argument. It makes them look juvenile.

Pvers so mad. I love it.

lordkrall.7241:

Why do people always seems to lie when talking about new armor sets?
We always hear about how there have been no new armor-sets since release, despite we getting a full one at the very least and a rather large bunch of parts for others.

one new set for each armor class. Not very impressive for a MMO 2 years in.

Pvp players being offered the chance to play for Pvp only skins takes nothing away from anyone else. There is no reason for complaint here.

Varonth.5830:

You guys really don’t get it right?
Most, if not all of you who posted there, will not be able to get the Glorious Hero armor.

ANet used time of designers and animators to create armors most people will not even see, yet alone get for themself to wear. It is a total waste of ressources.
They could have used that time to create content for everyone. But they instead opted to create content for probably less than 100 players.

Oh you’ll see it alright
But it will be on players who actually deserve the title “Glorious Hero”
And it will be the only armor set in the game that fronts actual status

This is exactly what the game needs

Also, if you threw around a football in your back yard with a buddy
Would you feel the right to deserve a Super Bowl Victory Ring?

frostflare.6390:

Why do the Elitists like to throw around “Git-Gud” like it will somehow invalidate any arguments to the contrary. Let’s face it, the exclusive set will probably just be particle-effects, but none-the-less maybe that’s something that a good player wants to work for. Except lets paint this with some truth. They will never obtain it. So far the tournaments have been locked behind conventions and physical money obligations. There are players even better then those that are currently in the running, hundreds of times better. They however do not have the sort of cashflow that the current esports teams have. Let alone the ability to fly overseas to participate in these current running. So the term git-gud does not apply. Being the top player in the world does not net you the set. In fact it Net’s you nothing but a chance(If you have the money) to participate to get the set. So lets call it what this is, its Pay to wear armor. Yes you have to have some skill, but you need a lot of money too. How this is “good for the PVP” community I am unsure. I’m all for competitive rewards, but lets not pretend that this reward is in anyway completely related to skill when money does factor in a lot. Anet is not paying these E sport’s fanatics to fly over to Germany. Again, all for really competitive things. But people should stop throwing around the git-gud argument. It makes them look juvenile.

This right here,

I was going to explain that “get good” really has little to do with participating in a tournament. Its about money, its about sponsorship, its about taking time out of your life to travel. People just like to feel like they are better than others without actually knowing what they are talking about when they say “git gud”.

Honestly though, don’t mind to much there are special tourny items most of us will never see in game. It is most likely just some added effect or trim to the armor they are already releasing on the normal track. I really don’t think Anet would expense the resources to design a completely different set of armor for the smallest fraction of its audience, but i guess we will see.

Hope they add a in game tournament system and a leaderboard that actually measures something.

Malediktus.9250:

one new set for each armor class. Not very impressive for a MMO 2 years in.

That doesn’t change the fact that 1 is more than 0 though. And as such saying that there have been no new sets is a blatant lie.

Deli.1302:

Pvers so mad. I love it.

This ^^

This was a good move from Arena Net. I hope we will see more of this in the future. Keep it up!