Guild Wars 2

Backpack God went 99-0 during this rated team q season.
He has 96 points. He lost three due to a disconnect (server Dced 6 people in the game) about 1 hour ago.

At 99-0 he is ranked 402 in this leaderboard system.

Regardless of skill, it is very hard to go 99-0. Yes he played with a team at all times. That is simply the way he wanted to play. He started the season with the 2nd highest MMR in the game (2nd place on NA leaderboards) and continued to play consecutively throughout the season.

This is unacceptable. The season has been up for less than 30 days. That is approximately 3 games a day; a very reasonable amount of games for any player to be ranked on a skill based leaderboard.

How to fix?
The leaderboards need to incorporate MMR. As it stands someone can be 400-400 in a very low MMR bracket and be on the top of the leaderboards. In fact, in this system someone could be 0-400, have the lowest MMR, score 300+ points a game, and have far more points than I do.

The leaderboards cannot be a grind fest. A certain number of games should be required, but at a certain point, games played should not matter, be it 1000games in a season or 10,000 games…. players should not have to play 24/7 to be ranked high on the leaderboards…

Thanks, Ozarc

here is leaderboard

its a testing season and i think they are aware the leaderboard is pointless atm.

The current system forces you to give some daily dedication if you want to stay up on the leaderboards.
This system rewards quantity over quality games and well, it has its disavantages as you point, but i think it works way better than before.

Though, you are right.. wining almost 100 without a loss…that’s quite impressive.

Not to say that it isn’t broken, but doesn’t this mean that the system has down ranked him because his games were too easy?

Current leaderboard is just grinding games, anybody and i mean ANYBODY could grind enough to be top 25

Royal.2693:

It is actually very easy to go 99-0. Before this season I had about 140-0 without really trying much. Now I’m on 85% wins mostly solo queuing lately.
I think problem with some players is that their ego is greater and they never want to lose so they only play with the full team and never solo/duo queue, so they can’t play as many games as other people do.

So my point is that win percentage means absolutely nothing, it just depends on who your teammates are, and doesn’t represent individual skill. The leaderboard is individual and not team based, so what it can accurately represent is effort and time put into the game, and reward those who try hardest.

My only problem with the leaderboard is that you can gain points for losing a match. I believe that it should never be like that. Oh, and I think if you are higher on the leaderboard, you should very rarely or never gain more than one point for win.

- Rat Meta

I heard that you left games you were losing… A lot………… to avoid getting a loss…….

Also, it is true to have a much easier ratio in this system… that being said, it shouldnt be a grind board…. also its rated team q… not solo .. THUS team play>solo

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

I heard that you left games you were losing… A lot………… to avoid getting a loss…….

This reminds me: @Anet: Please include desertion into the loss column.

I don’t understand the leader board.

Do you ever loss any points for lossing? Else anyone with enough time will be on top of the leader board.

The W/L ratio of this guy means:

- He plays with a very strong team, and his team won every matches.

How many times this guy (and his team) was matched against the other strongest team NA in ranked matches? Probably very few or never, or it would be impossible to not lose a single match.

Is it a matchkaming failure? It depends, maybe yes or not but in this scenario, probably only one or two teams can compete with his team and if they are not online at the same time, matchmaking can’t do nothing.

This is only to say w/l is not the best indicator to show if a guy/team is better than other.

Said this, try to imagine a league system scenario + matches cap. For example a max number of 150 matches/Season (5 matches/day for 30 days).

This guy and his team, having a super high mmr go in the best league (for example diamond) and compete with people of similar skill level (in leaderboard, in game they could face people of other leagues if matchmaking can’t prioritize their league for different reasons ). At the end, probably backpack (and his team) will be in top10 and probably they deserve to be there. A cap is imho necessary to contain the extreme grinding about player can play more than X games every day (5 in this case) and to keep a “fair” competition (speaking about number of matches).

In general with a cap i mean people can play after they reach the season cap but their extra matches don’t count for the leaderboard (they can get progress for ingame rewards like pvp tracks and achievements).

laokoko.7403:

I don’t understand the leader board.

Do you ever loss any points for lossing? Else anyone with enough time will be on top of the leader board.

Yea, you lose points while losing. Like... you win three games (+1+1+1) then you lose one(-3), you got (+/-0) because MM predicted you to win+win+win+win, however it can be three loses (-1-1-1) and one win (+3) because MM predicted you to lose+lose+lose+lose. Number of points gained is based on your MMR: the higher you got - the less you gain and more you lose; the lower you got - the more you gain and less you lose if MM can’t find ’equal’ teams.

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

Backpack God went 99-0 during this rated team q season.
He has 96 points. He lost three due to a disconnect (server Dced 6 people in the game) about 1 hour ago.

At 99-0 he is ranked 402 in this leaderboard system.

Regardless of skill, it is very hard to go 99-0. Yes he played with a team at all times. That is simply the way he wanted to play. He started the season with the 2nd highest MMR in the game (2nd place on NA leaderboards) and continued to play consecutively throughout the season.

This is unacceptable. The season has been up for less than 30 days. That is approximately 3 games a day; a very reasonable amount of games for any player to be ranked on a skill based leaderboard.

How to fix?
The leaderboards need to incorporate MMR. As it stands someone can be 400-400 in a very low MMR bracket and be on the top of the leaderboards. In fact, in this system someone could be 0-400, have the lowest MMR, score 300+ points a game, and have far more points than I do.

The leaderboards cannot be a grind fest. A certain number of games should be required, but at a certain point, games played should not matter, be it 1000games in a season or 10,000 games…. players should not have to play 24/7 to be ranked high on the leaderboards…

Thanks, Ozarc

Hi Backpack!

Also, everyone knows you can abuse whether a loss shows up on your account by having someone on your team switch characters during the match.

All for better leaderboards, but you continually let your ego get in the way of sounding like a reasonable human being :P

MarkPhilips.5169:

Said this, try to imagine a league system scenario + matches cap. For example a max number of 150 matches/Season (5 matches/day for 30 days).

Base on what Morath said, even if he wins all 150 matches. He’s probably getting very little point for everyone of the match?

While it is possible that other people can get more point if they perform better than expected.

And who ever get on the top depends on how much Anet favors expected wins and unexpected wins.

I just dont’ think teamq and soloq should be put on the same ladder. Or they should create another ladder with longq for teams that want to compete.

Maybe they can keep everything the way it is now. But create a seperate ladders where teams only need to play very few games to compete on a seperate ladder which have long queue.

Sebastian.4610:

Current leaderboard is just grinding games, anybody and i mean ANYBODY could grind enough to be top 25

nope.

it is not easy to score at least 400+ points when match prediction says your team only have 0-19% of winning the match. quite impossible i would say.

the best your team would do is barely get 100, never reaching 200 at all.

MarkPhilips.5169:

The W/L ratio of this guy means:

- He plays with a very strong team, and his team won every matches.

How many times this guy (and his team) was matched against the other strongest team NA in ranked matches? Probably very few or never, or it would be impossible to not lose a single match.

Is it a matchkaming failure? It depends, maybe yes or not but in this scenario, probably only one or two teams can compete with his team and if they are not online at the same time, matchmaking can’t do nothing.

This is only to say w/l is not the best indicator to show if a guy/team is better than other.

Said this, try to imagine a league system scenario + matches cap. For example a max number of 150 matches/Season (5 matches/day for 30 days).

This guy and his team, having a super high mmr go in the best league (for example diamond) and compete with people of similar skill level (in leaderboard, in game they could face people of other leagues if matchmaking can’t prioritize their league for different reasons ). At the end, probably backpack (and his team) will be in top10 and probably they deserve to be there. A cap is imho necessary to contain the extreme grinding about player can play more than X games every day (5 in this case) and to keep a “fair” competition (speaking about number of matches).

In general with a cap i mean people can play after they reach the season cap but their extra matches don’t count for the leaderboard (they can get progress for ingame rewards like pvp tracks and achievements).

Except he actually is punished due to his high mmr. It expects him to win so he gets the minimum amount of points when he wins, technically the player who can maintain a very high mmr will probably never see the top of these leaderboards.

laokoko.7403:

I don’t understand the leader board.

Do you ever loss any points for lossing? Else anyone with enough time will be on top of the leader board.

did you read this?
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/finding-the-perfect-match/

“Ladder ranking is now based on points which are awarded by how well you play the game and how challenging that game was. "

refer to the link and the attached image.

to put simply, mike / aaron / backpack ’s team has not been playing a lot of challenging games at all.

i dare say, match prediction says all 99 of their games have a 80-100% chance to win.

imaclown.1628:

MarkPhilips.5169:

The W/L ratio of this guy means:

- He plays with a very strong team, and his team won every matches.

How many times this guy (and his team) was matched against the other strongest team NA in ranked matches? Probably very few or never, or it would be impossible to not lose a single match.

Is it a matchkaming failure? It depends, maybe yes or not but in this scenario, probably only one or two teams can compete with his team and if they are not online at the same time, matchmaking can’t do nothing.

This is only to say w/l is not the best indicator to show if a guy/team is better than other.

Said this, try to imagine a league system scenario + matches cap. For example a max number of 150 matches/Season (5 matches/day for 30 days).

This guy and his team, having a super high mmr go in the best league (for example diamond) and compete with people of similar skill level (in leaderboard, in game they could face people of other leagues if matchmaking can’t prioritize their league for different reasons ). At the end, probably backpack (and his team) will be in top10 and probably they deserve to be there. A cap is imho necessary to contain the extreme grinding about player can play more than X games every day (5 in this case) and to keep a “fair” competition (speaking about number of matches).

In general with a cap i mean people can play after they reach the season cap but their extra matches don’t count for the leaderboard (they can get progress for ingame rewards like pvp tracks and achievements).

Except he actually is punished due to his high mmr. It expects him to win so he gets the minimum amount of points when he wins, technically the player who can maintain a very high mmr will probably never see the top of these leaderboards.

match prediction should be changed a bit, so that the people at the top of the ladder boards, should be expected to win more matches.

i.e. when the players currently at the top of the leader board plays, they should be expected to win more often, or carry weaker (or players with lesser ladder points) players when they solo or duo queue,

so that when they lose without scoring 200 team points, they have a greater chance to lose 2 or 3 ladder points.

Also a good reason why it was a bad idea to separate team leaderboards from solo leaderboards. 99-0 is definitely impressive for a team. It would be 1000x more impressive if someone did that by doing solo queue.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

laokoko.7403:

I don’t understand the leader board.

Do you ever loss any points for lossing? Else anyone with enough time will be on top of the leader board.

did you read this?
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/finding-the-perfect-match/

“Ladder ranking is now based on points which are awarded by how well you play the game and how challenging that game was. "

refer to the link and the attached image.

to put simply, mike / aaron / backpack ’s team has not been playing a lot of challenging games at all.

i dare say, match prediction says all 99 of their games have a 80-100% chance to win.

Backpack Qs during prime time. He has played and beaten DoD, and literally every other team that is top tier…..

You all say “his games arent competitive, he would lose to harder competition”

Everytime he Qs, he plays the 2nd best group playing at that given time…..

They are going to win, regardless of who they are playing, doesnt that mean something?? Isnt that who should be at the top of the leaderboard? The team that wins regardless of who they are playing?

I hope all these braindead engi’s drop off the leaderboard. Something needs to be done to knock those annoying players who rely too much on their class off their high horses.

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

laokoko.7403:

I don’t understand the leader board.

Do you ever loss any points for lossing? Else anyone with enough time will be on top of the leader board.

did you read this?
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/finding-the-perfect-match/

“Ladder ranking is now based on points which are awarded by how well you play the game and how challenging that game was. "

refer to the link and the attached image.

to put simply, mike / aaron / backpack ’s team has not been playing a lot of challenging games at all.

i dare say, match prediction says all 99 of their games have a 80-100% chance to win.

Backpack Qs during prime time. He has played and beaten DoD, and literally every other team that is top tier…..

You all say “his games arent competitive, he would lose to harder competition”

Everytime he Qs, he plays the 2nd best group playing at that given time…..

They are going to win, regardless of who they are playing, doesnt that mean something?? Isnt that who should be at the top of the leaderboard? The team that wins regardless of who they are playing?

Ya but you should check other esports games. No one have 100% win ratio. In fact all the top teams range maybe 50-70% wins.

It’s probably not very competitive if some teams manage to win 100 games with no loss.

Like yous said this team is really good, do you think they could guarantee a win in the next GW2 tournament?

and I’m not really directing the topic about Backpack God. There seems to be quite a bunch of teams with really high win ratio. That probably shouldn’t happen if it is competitive.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

imaclown.1628:

MarkPhilips.5169:

The W/L ratio of this guy means:

- He plays with a very strong team, and his team won every matches.

How many times this guy (and his team) was matched against the other strongest team NA in ranked matches? Probably very few or never, or it would be impossible to not lose a single match.

Is it a matchkaming failure? It depends, maybe yes or not but in this scenario, probably only one or two teams can compete with his team and if they are not online at the same time, matchmaking can’t do nothing.

This is only to say w/l is not the best indicator to show if a guy/team is better than other.

Said this, try to imagine a league system scenario + matches cap. For example a max number of 150 matches/Season (5 matches/day for 30 days).

This guy and his team, having a super high mmr go in the best league (for example diamond) and compete with people of similar skill level (in leaderboard, in game they could face people of other leagues if matchmaking can’t prioritize their league for different reasons ). At the end, probably backpack (and his team) will be in top10 and probably they deserve to be there. A cap is imho necessary to contain the extreme grinding about player can play more than X games every day (5 in this case) and to keep a “fair” competition (speaking about number of matches).

In general with a cap i mean people can play after they reach the season cap but their extra matches don’t count for the leaderboard (they can get progress for ingame rewards like pvp tracks and achievements).

Except he actually is punished due to his high mmr. It expects him to win so he gets the minimum amount of points when he wins, technically the player who can maintain a very high mmr will probably never see the top of these leaderboards.

match prediction should be changed a bit, so that the people at the top of the ladder boards, should be expected to win more matches.

i.e. when the players currently at the top of the leader board plays, they should be expected to win more often, or carry weaker (or players with lesser ladder points) players when they solo or duo queue,

so that when they lose without scoring 200 team points, they have a greater chance to lose 2 or 3 ladder points.

That might ensure the better players rise to the top and stay there regardless of the amount of games played at a certain point.

imaclown.1628:

MarkPhilips.5169:

The W/L ratio of this guy means:

- He plays with a very strong team, and his team won every matches.

How many times this guy (and his team) was matched against the other strongest team NA in ranked matches? Probably very few or never, or it would be impossible to not lose a single match.

Is it a matchkaming failure? It depends, maybe yes or not but in this scenario, probably only one or two teams can compete with his team and if they are not online at the same time, matchmaking can’t do nothing.

This is only to say w/l is not the best indicator to show if a guy/team is better than other.

Said this, try to imagine a league system scenario + matches cap. For example a max number of 150 matches/Season (5 matches/day for 30 days).

This guy and his team, having a super high mmr go in the best league (for example diamond) and compete with people of similar skill level (in leaderboard, in game they could face people of other leagues if matchmaking can’t prioritize their league for different reasons ). At the end, probably backpack (and his team) will be in top10 and probably they deserve to be there. A cap is imho necessary to contain the extreme grinding about player can play more than X games every day (5 in this case) and to keep a “fair” competition (speaking about number of matches).

In general with a cap i mean people can play after they reach the season cap but their extra matches don’t count for the leaderboard (they can get progress for ingame rewards like pvp tracks and achievements).

Except he actually is punished due to his high mmr. It expects him to win so he gets the minimum amount of points when he wins, technically the player who can maintain a very high mmr will probably never see the top of these leaderboards.

In a league scenario he is in a master league with other people with very high mmr, so he is in competition with people that gain points like him.

In the actual scenario yes, is an issue.

They need to bring back solo and team que In my opinion.
There is too much pug farming because of the new system.
They want pvp to be more appealing for those new players but if you think about it.
No new player is going to know players in this game to form teams with.
So what will they do?
They will solo que.
But because of the way things are, they will probably end up getting farmed by guilds a lot or premades and end up hating pvp.

I think they should bring back solo and team que but my opinion on the matter is to make the pvp ladder like brackets.
Then make the brackets as follows. 1-500, 501-1000, 1001-1500, 1500-2000.
This will separate players into groups in increments of 500. What good would this be?
Well I’ll tell you.
They can set up the ranking system for soloers and teams the same. say you are ranked in the top 501-1000 range. Well this will mean that you can only climb the rank ladder as long as you are fighting groups whose collective rank is either within or above your teams collective rank. Say your teams average rank is 553 and theirs is 504. Then your ranks still fall under the same bracket so this winning would be able to benefit all players but say your collective rating is 435 and theirs is 1578. This shouldn’t benefit you very much at all because the players are higher ranked on your team.
Also the system should prioritize players of similar ranks to prevent uneven matches. No one cares to wait even 5 minutes for a fair match.
Just give us open world que’ing again and 5 and even 10 or 15 minutes feels like no time flat.
I miss being able to que up while leveling

laokoko.7403:

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

laokoko.7403:

I don’t understand the leader board.

Do you ever loss any points for lossing? Else anyone with enough time will be on top of the leader board.

did you read this?
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/finding-the-perfect-match/

“Ladder ranking is now based on points which are awarded by how well you play the game and how challenging that game was. "

refer to the link and the attached image.

to put simply, mike / aaron / backpack ’s team has not been playing a lot of challenging games at all.

i dare say, match prediction says all 99 of their games have a 80-100% chance to win.

Backpack Qs during prime time. He has played and beaten DoD, and literally every other team that is top tier…..

You all say “his games arent competitive, he would lose to harder competition”

Everytime he Qs, he plays the 2nd best group playing at that given time…..

They are going to win, regardless of who they are playing, doesnt that mean something?? Isnt that who should be at the top of the leaderboard? The team that wins regardless of who they are playing?

Ya but you should check other esports games. No one have 100% win ratio. In fact all the top teams range maybe 50-70% wins.

It’s probably not very competitive if some teams manage to win 100 games with no loss.

Like yous said this team is really good, do you think they could guarantee a win in the next GW2 tournament?

and I’m not really directing the topic about Backpack God. There seems to be quite a bunch of teams with really high win ratio. That probably shouldn’t happen if it is competitive.

Backpack plays with Abjured, The best team in the game.. They won last WTS, and they win every ESL weekly, and they will definately go to PAX east WTS where they have an extremely good chance of winning again. No team on NA, including the second best team (DoD) is even close…

brb talking in 3rd person on another account

MarkPhilips.5169:

The W/L ratio of this guy means:

- He plays with a very strong team, and his team won every matches.

How many times this guy (and his team) was matched against the other strongest team NA in ranked matches? Probably very few or never, or it would be impossible to not lose a single match.

Is it a matchkaming failure? It depends, maybe yes or not but in this scenario, probably only one or two teams can compete with his team and if they are not online at the same time, matchmaking can’t do nothing.

This is only to say w/l is not the best indicator to show if a guy/team is better than other.

Said this, try to imagine a league system scenario + matches cap. For example a max number of 150 matches/Season (5 matches/day for 30 days).

This guy and his team, having a super high mmr go in the best league (for example diamond) and compete with people of similar skill level (in leaderboard, in game they could face people of other leagues if matchmaking can’t prioritize their league for different reasons ). At the end, probably backpack (and his team) will be in top10 and probably they deserve to be there. A cap is imho necessary to contain the extreme grinding about player can play more than X games every day (5 in this case) and to keep a “fair” competition (speaking about number of matches).

In general with a cap i mean people can play after they reach the season cap but their extra matches don’t count for the leaderboard (they can get progress for ingame rewards like pvp tracks and achievements).

+1

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

laokoko.7403:

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

laokoko.7403:

I don’t understand the leader board.

Do you ever loss any points for lossing? Else anyone with enough time will be on top of the leader board.

did you read this?
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/finding-the-perfect-match/

“Ladder ranking is now based on points which are awarded by how well you play the game and how challenging that game was. "

refer to the link and the attached image.

to put simply, mike / aaron / backpack ’s team has not been playing a lot of challenging games at all.

i dare say, match prediction says all 99 of their games have a 80-100% chance to win.

Backpack Qs during prime time. He has played and beaten DoD, and literally every other team that is top tier…..

You all say “his games arent competitive, he would lose to harder competition”

Everytime he Qs, he plays the 2nd best group playing at that given time…..

They are going to win, regardless of who they are playing, doesnt that mean something?? Isnt that who should be at the top of the leaderboard? The team that wins regardless of who they are playing?

Ya but you should check other esports games. No one have 100% win ratio. In fact all the top teams range maybe 50-70% wins.

It’s probably not very competitive if some teams manage to win 100 games with no loss.

Like yous said this team is really good, do you think they could guarantee a win in the next GW2 tournament?

and I’m not really directing the topic about Backpack God. There seems to be quite a bunch of teams with really high win ratio. That probably shouldn’t happen if it is competitive.

Backpack plays with Abjured, The best team in the game.. They won last WTS, and they win every ESL weekly, and they will definately go to PAX east WTS where they have an extremely good chance of winning again. No team on NA, including the second best team (DoD) is even close…

well, they probably deserve to be on top of the ladder if that’s the case. I presume currently the top of ladder is filled with soloq players?

I’m not sure how those solo players will feel if the top of ladders are full with teams with barely any loss though. Probably the same way that team players are complaining now.

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

laokoko.7403:

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

laokoko.7403:

I don’t understand the leader board.

Do you ever loss any points for lossing? Else anyone with enough time will be on top of the leader board.

did you read this?
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/finding-the-perfect-match/

“Ladder ranking is now based on points which are awarded by how well you play the game and how challenging that game was. "

refer to the link and the attached image.

to put simply, mike / aaron / backpack ’s team has not been playing a lot of challenging games at all.

i dare say, match prediction says all 99 of their games have a 80-100% chance to win.

Backpack Qs during prime time. He has played and beaten DoD, and literally every other team that is top tier…..

You all say “his games arent competitive, he would lose to harder competition”

Everytime he Qs, he plays the 2nd best group playing at that given time…..

They are going to win, regardless of who they are playing, doesnt that mean something?? Isnt that who should be at the top of the leaderboard? The team that wins regardless of who they are playing?

Ya but you should check other esports games. No one have 100% win ratio. In fact all the top teams range maybe 50-70% wins.

It’s probably not very competitive if some teams manage to win 100 games with no loss.

Like yous said this team is really good, do you think they could guarantee a win in the next GW2 tournament?

and I’m not really directing the topic about Backpack God. There seems to be quite a bunch of teams with really high win ratio. That probably shouldn’t happen if it is competitive.

Backpack plays with Abjured, The best team in the game.. They won last WTS, and they win every ESL weekly, and they will definately go to PAX east WTS where they have an extremely good chance of winning again. No team on NA, including the second best team (DoD) is even close…

You either need to get off his sack, or have the courage to come here and speak as yourself. Either way, you’re less than impressive.

You want to impress people, go to Soloq and carry a team like Ostrich does.

style.6173:

Also a good reason why it was a bad idea to separate team leaderboards from solo leaderboards. 99-0 is definitely impressive for a team. It would be 1000x more impressive if someone did that by doing solo queue.

Impressive? Yes. Possible? Not at all. I have played ~250 games during Wintersday event and there are too many players in ranked arena who make this impossible. Heroes with legedaries and pve setup or simply bad players that just want to “have fun”. Such player counts towards enemy lines, as he is instant +5 for enemy team whenever he engages into battle. If you want to have good w/l ratio in ranked arena playing without team, you are gonna have a bad time.

If you leave from the match before it ends, it won’t add to your loss (you’ll still get the point loss). So technically you could just leave from all the matches you’re about to lose and have a “perfect” record.

I actually think OE’s record is a ton more respectable than Backpack’s record.

Abjured and frands set to get the best win/loss ratio possible by always queueing premades. Which is fine. Doing so doesn’t really tell the tale of who the best individual players in Ranked though. That’s the major issue with merging solo and team queuers together.

the thing is, it’s a team game. who is the best PLAYER is completely irrelevant. Who is the best TEAM is all that matters in conquest game mode.

Solstice.1097:

the thing is, it’s a team game. who is the best PLAYER is completely irrelevant. Who is the best TEAM is all that matters in conquest game mode.

Disagree. As long as LB is made to represent score of single players. Because same player who can do 99-0 in premade, could do 50-49 with random people because he got used to ‘his team’ so much his way of doing things wouldn’t work with ‘randoms’.

Also you never know if someone isn’t just average filler in team and gets carried by his premade over and over, because others do so good he doesn’t need to be anything special.

Thats why I believe premades shouldn’t be allowed in same que as solo players.

SobeSoul.6910:

I actually think OE’s record is a ton more respectable than Backpack’s record.

Abjured and frands set to get the best win/loss ratio possible by always queueing premades. Which is fine. Doing so doesn’t really tell the tale of who the best individual players in Ranked though. That’s the major issue with merging solo and team queuers together.

Yea I’ve seen ostrich eggs solo Q’ing a lot and he still wins most of his games without his esport buddies. Very impressive.

Solstice.1097:

the thing is, it’s a team game. who is the best PLAYER is completely irrelevant. Who is the best TEAM is all that matters in conquest game mode.

The problem with this is that yes it is a team game. However, that being said, random players teaming are handicapped from not having voice comms and cohesion that naturally forms over time.

It’s why I think the merging of solo and team queues is mostly a failure.

MystikaLsmuRF.7150:

brb talking in 3rd person on another account

Lol +1,

If anything he played at odd hours, avoided all the good players and won 99 times against scrubs.

Just think about it, do you really think your that good that you don’t lose any games 99 times?

Maybe if your playing scrubs yes, but theres a lot of good players out there to knock you the kitten out.

uberkingkong.8041:

MystikaLsmuRF.7150:

brb talking in 3rd person on another account

Lol +1,

If anything he played at odd hours, avoided all the good players and won 99 times against scrubs.

Just think about it, do you really think your that good that you don’t lose any games 99 times?

Maybe if your playing scrubs yes, but theres a lot of good players out there to knock you the kitten out.

Backpack plays only during prime time, and then all day on the weekends….
He qs with the Abjured….
If Backpack Phantaram Noscoc Wakkey and Toker are quing…. name 5 players that will beat them…. there are no good players that can knock them out

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

uberkingkong.8041:

MystikaLsmuRF.7150:

brb talking in 3rd person on another account

Lol +1,

If anything he played at odd hours, avoided all the good players and won 99 times against scrubs.

Just think about it, do you really think your that good that you don’t lose any games 99 times?

Maybe if your playing scrubs yes, but theres a lot of good players out there to knock you the kitten out.

Backpack plays only during prime time, and then all day on the weekends….
He qs with the Abjured….
If Backpack Phantaram Noscoc Wakkey and Toker are quing…. name 5 players that will beat them…. there are no good players that can knock them out

Zoose, Iuck, Ostrich Eggs, Caed, Darth Vanquisher.

Theres more people out there than that, that can own the people you mentioned.

99-0 is certainly impressive but we already know he plays with the best players and there aren’t really any comparable teams. It’s not even like the San Antonio Spurs versus the worst team in the NBA it’s the Spurs versus a college team. I am not blaming them for the lack of competition but this needs to be put into proper perspective. If the Spurs played to win they could beat the Kentucky Wildcats 100 times in a row. They know they are the best and the leaderboard rewards were a joke anyway.

Current Leaderboards are #Quantity>Quality

Complete and utter crap if you ask me.

uberkingkong.8041:

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

uberkingkong.8041:

MystikaLsmuRF.7150:

brb talking in 3rd person on another account

Lol +1,

If anything he played at odd hours, avoided all the good players and won 99 times against scrubs.

Just think about it, do you really think your that good that you don’t lose any games 99 times?

Maybe if your playing scrubs yes, but theres a lot of good players out there to knock you the kitten out.

Backpack plays only during prime time, and then all day on the weekends….
He qs with the Abjured….
If Backpack Phantaram Noscoc Wakkey and Toker are quing…. name 5 players that will beat them…. there are no good players that can knock them out

Zoose, Iuck, Ostrich Eggs, Caed, Darth Vanquisher.

Theres more people out there than that, that can own the people you mentioned.

Is that a joke?? Ask darth and luck if they can even get close to competing with us… And In case u haven’t watched ESL in the last two months… Caed ostrich and zoose lose every week to us…. Don’t get me wrong they are good players… But not quite as good

uberkingkong.8041:

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

uberkingkong.8041:

MystikaLsmuRF.7150:

brb talking in 3rd person on another account

Lol +1,

If anything he played at odd hours, avoided all the good players and won 99 times against scrubs.

Just think about it, do you really think your that good that you don’t lose any games 99 times?

Maybe if your playing scrubs yes, but theres a lot of good players out there to knock you the kitten out.

Backpack plays only during prime time, and then all day on the weekends….
He qs with the Abjured….
If Backpack Phantaram Noscoc Wakkey and Toker are quing…. name 5 players that will beat them…. there are no good players that can knock them out

Zoose, Iuck, Ostrich Eggs, Caed, Darth Vanquisher.

Theres more people out there than that, that can own the people you mentioned.

I read this during class and literally laughed out loud and got a bunch of funny looks. If you’re serious I feel sorry for you LOL.

Backpack how many accounts do you have! Geez louise! You could single-handedly fund a new game mode! Don’t be selfish! We want real esports and not poopy butt conquest!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Booms.2594:

uberkingkong.8041:

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

uberkingkong.8041:

MystikaLsmuRF.7150:

brb talking in 3rd person on another account

Lol +1,

If anything he played at odd hours, avoided all the good players and won 99 times against scrubs.

Just think about it, do you really think your that good that you don’t lose any games 99 times?

Maybe if your playing scrubs yes, but theres a lot of good players out there to knock you the kitten out.

Backpack plays only during prime time, and then all day on the weekends….
He qs with the Abjured….
If Backpack Phantaram Noscoc Wakkey and Toker are quing…. name 5 players that will beat them…. there are no good players that can knock them out

Zoose, Iuck, Ostrich Eggs, Caed, Darth Vanquisher.

Theres more people out there than that, that can own the people you mentioned.

I read this during class and literally laughed out loud and got a bunch of funny looks. If you’re serious I feel sorry for you LOL.

LOL

masskillerxploit.2165:

Booms.2594:

uberkingkong.8041:

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

uberkingkong.8041:

MystikaLsmuRF.7150:

brb talking in 3rd person on another account

Lol +1,

If anything he played at odd hours, avoided all the good players and won 99 times against scrubs.

Just think about it, do you really think your that good that you don’t lose any games 99 times?

Maybe if your playing scrubs yes, but theres a lot of good players out there to knock you the kitten out.

Backpack plays only during prime time, and then all day on the weekends….
He qs with the Abjured….
If Backpack Phantaram Noscoc Wakkey and Toker are quing…. name 5 players that will beat them…. there are no good players that can knock them out

Zoose, Iuck, Ostrich Eggs, Caed, Darth Vanquisher.

Theres more people out there than that, that can own the people you mentioned.

I read this during class and literally laughed out loud and got a bunch of funny looks. If you’re serious I feel sorry for you LOL.

LOL

Put those guys together, and they’ll destroy Abjured.
I never see any ESL promotions on the forums so I have no idea when those games go on. ESL people need to learn how to advertise because I’m one of those people that would watch those games, but I don’t have any clue when they are going on.

I don’t know who Wakkey is or what he plays, doesn’t sound like a necro, but the team I mention is pretty much same comp as Abjured too. Matter fact I don’t know Noscoc either, sounds like an engineer.

Not too long ago, those guys in Abjured weren’t considered the best. It’s not until recently I been seeing these names thrown around. Like the only person in Abjured I know has been around for awhile and considered good is Phantaram, but someone like Magic Toker. I didn’t even know who he was until WTS. He wasn’t even in the Cruuk, Caed, Jumper X, etc top thieves.

Anyways, 99 wins 0 losses is just a bunch of bullkitten, it takes some luck to pull that off, luck with matchups in your favor, as in a bunch of scrubs. You should be getting constant matches against Lux, Drunknpozzum and other top 25 leaderboard players, those guys are considered ‘always online, grinding’…. Well the system should make you stop letting them win and getting so far ahead in the leaderboards so you collect points and get ahead and they lose points and fall behind.

Leaderboard is very good, its just the matchmaking that’s bad. Theres also mediocore teams, that I’d expect to get lucky on you and put up good fights against you guys too, and break you 100% win streak.. If you had 99 wins 10 losses I’d be like that’s legit, but 99 wins 0 losses… something is fishy. Odd hours gaming, looking at other good players like Caed, Zoose, Ostrich Eggs, Darth Vanquisher, and Iuck to make sure they not online or not in hearts of the mist queing up same time your queing up to ensure you don’t take a loss from going against another strong team.

If that isn’t a troll then I don’t even…..

No team can beat Abjured in NA right now. You mentioned Zoose, Ostrich, and Caed? They are on a team together already who has been losing consistently to Abjured. (but they are getting better every week and will most likely be the first team to really threaten Abjured’s current domination).

That’s from my point of view based on what I’ve seen, which since part of your post complains about not knowing when ESL is because it’s not advertised well enough (neither are these forums, but you found them anyway) is more than what you have.

Solstice.1097:

If that isn’t a troll then I don’t even…..

No team can beat Abjured in NA right now. You mentioned Zoose, Ostrich, and Caed? They are on a team together already who has been losing consistently to Abjured. (but they are getting better every week and will most likely be the first team to really threaten Abjured’s current domination).

That’s from my point of view based on what I’ve seen, which since part of your post complains about not knowing when WTS is because it’s not advertised well enough (neither are these forums, but you found them anyway) is more than what you have.

Never said I didn’t know what WTS is, I said I don’t know when ESL games are going on.. You must learn to read.

Also, is Iuck and Darth Vanquisher on the team with Zoose, Caed, and Ostrich? Nope that’s were you lack too.

Also, that Abjured team isn’t the same Abjured team that won WTS as well. Only phataram, wakkey and toker were in the one that went to WTS. Backpack, Noscoc didn’t win the WTS.

There’s so many good players out there, the problem is, they have 1 or 2 weak links on there teams, that’s most likely why they lose to Abjured. Darth Vanquisher carries hard in solo que, and Iuck I remember that guy destroying everyone back in the hotjoin days. I’m sure them coupled with Zoose Caed and Ostrich they’d tear up Abjured 99 wins 0 losses, and turn that into a 99 wins 1 loss for Abjured.

Go ahead and test it, tell me when you guys gonna fight too, because I wanna see it, giggle, and tell all yall told ya so.

^lol dis guy!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

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