Good Players Say How - Bad Players Say Why
ahem (nerd screech) EHM, WHAY IS X AT Y AND NOT AT Z? OMYGOT! ANY1? OOOMYYYGOT… kitten THIS X YOU ARE A kittenING kitten THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT ARE YOU BRAIN DEAD WHY DO YOU OMYGOT.
“Tryhard Nerd has left the server.”
The Bad
Why is X not happening
Why are you not doing X
Why are we loosing at X
Why are you so bad lol – j/k on the last one but pretty much summarizes it
…you are totally right man but…you forgot the usual map chat rager, many times he’s the same one raging with mates as you wrote in op… you know the one spamming map chat with bs like “Yeah come here, come 1vs1 i’ll kill youuuuu!!!111!1!! NOOB * (* Add your class here)!!1!11!! Oh you scared??? Come on!!! Let’s duel i’ll show you how pro i am!!!11!!!1!…” and so on stuff….meanwhile your team has 3 points and is winning by +200 or more…..pretty annoying ppl but still funny..sometimes the map rager also follows you around with no reason trying to set up an improvised duel…that usually ends up with killing him badly, pinning a tiger on his azz and then repeatedly jumping on his body because you’ve nothing else to do (You already have 3 caps and you’re going to win in seconds)
True story, i think pretty much everyone went through this at last once..
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Or you could not give them reasons for them to say ‘why?’
I mean, if you’ve supposedly come across so many of the why guys, one would assume that by now you would have already learned how to play something so simple as hotjoin pvp.
Level 60 pvp
Ele & thief main (full ascended)
Down with the braindead faceroll classes.
Ele & thief main (full ascended)
Down with the braindead faceroll classes.
I am attempting to aviod calling out 1v1ers out there. There is a time and place for all things. But yes this mentality does seem to present iteself in solo or duo point pushers asking why..
Asking why is just as valid as asking how…
@ Razor is that Santa…. Your kinda proving my point for me already. If you where already in communication with your team and acting like a team there would be no why, you would already know. Plus there are many more factors to consider, all of which are much more important than why.. Perhaps try using How and you will recieve a response more conductive to winning.
@ Pyrial, Lets focus on why we are loosing instead of how we can win.
I agree its valid, but does not have the effect you want.
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Lets look at this from another direction.
Why is the past, How is the future. In all discussions about why is always after the fact. The past is important if you do not want to repeat it, thats insanity if it was not positive. How is the future, how are you going to adapt, how are you going to change the outcome, how are you going to win.
Teams that are loosing and decide to focus on the why, never live in the present and thus never change the outcome of the future.
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@ Pyrial, Lets focus on why we are loosing instead of how we can win.
I agree its valid, but does not have the effect you want.
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Lets look at this from another direction.
Why is the past, How is the future. In all discussions about why is always after the fact. The past is important if you do not want to repeat it, thats insanity if it was not positive. How is the future, how are you going to adapt, how are you going to change the outcome, how are you going to win.
Teams that are loosing and decide to focus on the why, never live in the present and thus never change the outcome of the future.
Why is not an indication of a past event. Why are we losing? The answer can be an adjustment to current strategy. We’re pushing too many into a point one at a time.
I understand where you want to go with this post, using strictly those two terms as the defacto terminology in changing behavior is not working.
Usually if you team works nobody has to ask why…it’s all bout how is mid? How many at side and so on….if someone is asking why in my team is because something is not working as intended so we can figure out what is happening and fix it asap if possible, but sometimes you find ppl who just outplay you and you can do pretty much nothing..just map chat gg at the end for them and learn from that for the next one. When you play with good people everyone should know what to do, so there’s no reason to ask why someone is doing something…everyone must focus on his job and leave others doing theirs, if everyone start to look on what others should do you’re not going anywhere imo
If you have a game with one game mode in which you cannot distinguish yourself as an individual player, then that game sucks. You learn nothing form zerging a point, its just bad game design.
@ Pyrial, Lets focus on why we are loosing instead of how we can win.
I agree its valid, but does not have the effect you want.
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Lets look at this from another direction.
Why is the past, How is the future. In all discussions about why is always after the fact. The past is important if you do not want to repeat it, thats insanity if it was not positive. How is the future, how are you going to adapt, how are you going to change the outcome, how are you going to win.
Teams that are loosing and decide to focus on the why, never live in the present and thus never change the outcome of the future.
Why/how do not have a temporal tense.
However OP is right about the distinction between how and why. Aggressive and bad/inexperienced players do usually say “why”, and OP is right in saying the reason is to assert blame and shift attention away from themselves. It is probably just a defense mechanism caused by the desire to appear competent in front of others. Level-headed and experienced players who understand this distinction generally would say how because they know it is less identifying than why, and they dont want to point blame, even if someone obviously is to blame. How can be used more as a passive suggestion rather than an aggressive or outright accusation that why sometimes causes. How does not presume to accuse, but why does.
This is because how and why are not interchangable and have separate grammatical interrogatory functions/roles, and they also have ingrained societal meanings.
For instance:
Asking someone with a gun “How did a bullet get shot into this wall?” cannot be replaced by “Why did a bullet get shot into this wall?” (or the more correct “Why is there a bullet in this wall?”). While possibly not immediately apparent, “how” is not accusing, but inquiring the specific information pertaining to the bullet and how it came to be in the wall. Why, though is not necessarily inquiring about the bullet specifically, but rather uses it as a bridge to connect you with the gun and the wall, and would be considered accusatory.
You have to differentiate though, and this is what might confuse people: “How come” and “how” are not the same. How come is an informal way of saying why.
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@ Pyrial, Lets focus on why we are loosing instead of how we can win.
I agree its valid, but does not have the effect you want.
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Lets look at this from another direction.
Why is the past, How is the future. In all discussions about why is always after the fact. The past is important if you do not want to repeat it, thats insanity if it was not positive. How is the future, how are you going to adapt, how are you going to change the outcome, how are you going to win.
Teams that are loosing and decide to focus on the why, never live in the present and thus never change the outcome of the future.
Why/how do not have a temporal tense.
However OP is right about the distinction between how and why. Aggressive and bad/inexperienced players do usually say “why”, and OP is right in saying the reason is to assert blame and shift attention away from themselves. It is probably just a defense mechanism caused by the desire to appear competent in front of others. Level-headed and experienced players who understand this distinction generally would say how because they know it is less identifying than why, and they dont want to point blame, even if someone obviously is to blame. How can be used more as a passive suggestion rather than an aggressive or outright accusation that why sometimes causes. How does not presume to accuse, but why does.
This is because how and why are not interchangable and have separate grammatical interrogatory functions/roles, and they also have ingrained societal meanings.
For instance:
Asking someone with a gun “How did a bullet get shot into this wall?” cannot be replaced by “Why did a bullet get shot into this wall?” (or the more correct “Why is there a bullet in this wall?”). While possibly not immediately apparent, “how” is not accusing, but inquiring the specific information pertaining to the bullet and how it came to be in the wall. Why, though is not inquiring about the bullet specifically, but rather uses it as a bridge to connect you with the gun and the wall, and would be considered accusatory.
You have to differentiate though, and this is what might confuse people: “How come” and “how” are not the same. How come is an informal way of saying why.
That’s great and well written, but in the context of gameplay is completely wrong. Good players AND bad players both ask why…just as both good players and bad players ask how
Totally Agree lol
good players ask why after the match is over not during it.
Asking why is just as valid as asking how…
Not all the time.
Usually when someone ask’s why, they have no desire to know the how.
Because if you know “How”, you have solved, and countered “why”.
On the other hand if you know " how", you can then ask “why does this need to happen” which leades to better choices in build, team composition, and personal awareness ( when you know the how and why you can become more aware and counter it more effectively, case being the backstab thieves or 100b warriors that many people have figured out).
This is usually asked by a player of higher caliber ( someone who desire’s to get better and not QQ all day).
A better way to say this is.
“It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle”
-Sun Tzu
That’s great and well written, but in the context of gameplay is completely wrong. Good players AND bad players both ask why…just as both good players and bad players ask how
Well i was making the assumption that good players dont want to accuse, and bad players do. In that context the good player will use how (if he understands the difference).
This is also ignoring obvious implications. When you imply something and the other person understands your implication, it doesnt really matter how you say it, your question will always come off as accusatory.
Since i believe implication (over VOIP anyways) is registered probably only by tone, it depends how you ask your question. If the level headed good player asks “how do they have mid and home capped?” in a calm voice, and the bad player aggressively/angirly w/e asks “why do they have mid and home capped?” in raging nerd voice, the “why” will always be more accusatory.
Then though you have to define a good player and a bad player, so in the end, there is no real debate.
If you have a game with one game mode in which you cannot distinguish yourself as an individual player, then that game sucks. You learn nothing form zerging a point, its just bad game design.
You must be talking about WvW…
Either that or you’ve never played tpvp…
Idunno last night we went un-defeated in paids, had several big come backs too and several very close matches and several just outright wreckages. Won a free tourny as well and lost two second round free tournies to some good teams.
The only time I heard Why….. Honey Why Are We Outta Beer!! She didnt seem to like that too much either perhaps he should have said how… Being that he mysteriously dispeared after that event for the rest of the night.