Guild Wars 2

After last few days losing streak I don’t consider myself particularly good player (still 56% win rate in ranked but i feel depressed AF because of the long loss streak (10+) ) BUT I had the bless of the matchmaking system to play with few pro league players on my team.

Personally when I know I play with weaker player, I am not the greatest team player. I enter soloQ I play soloQ. I don’t take up the initiative to do stuff because it feels somewhat pointless. However when I was matched with pro league players I am not guaranteeing this but I think I beat my damage done/personal score records. I run everywhere, cap/decap res, cleave. I know I can leave a spot to heal up when I’m being focused because I know the good players will have my back OR they’ll heal me themselves. I pull no stops, I almost sacrifice myself to resurrect them or ninja stomp the nearby downed player but not before interrupting everyone around my teammate, which I don’t actually do to someone with the Slayer rank. I’ve tried in the past, they keep dying, so it’s a waste. It just feels that leaving them to die is the better tactic regarding cooldowns that have to be spent on the weaker player and it doesn’t really weight well at all overall.

So what I’m saying is … matching bunch of really good players versus bunch of really bad to average players is bad. It doesn’t inspire teamplay. It teaches you nothing. You are just being farmed. With no chance.

I guess I’m average player but I’ll bust my kitten off to help a teammate that knows his/her stuff.

Matching me with weaker than me players makes me indifferent to my team and this in term affects my gameplay. And in the heat of the moment I don’t really give it that much thought. It’s not like I sit beforehand thinking “hey this guy looks cool, im going to help him this game!” or vice versa. If my team is playing depressingly bad, I become bad myself because I become indifferent.

Another phrase I could use in this case i guess would be that even though I’m mechanically correct with the toons I play, I’m more likely to make a bullkitten call for a team that I don’t care about one bit.

Needless to say, I’ve won every single game in which I had pro league player in the team. If this game thought me anything is that one person alone hardly makes a difference. It takes a team to win. However, it is better to have inspired teammates rather than bunch of auto attacking people around you, walking into traps and kitten.

Beside my performance being gradually better, as I see it through this subforum, If I was in a team with a proleague player it means that my team has been gradually better, while the enemy team was filled with baddies who stood no chance.

Even if that was the case, I really did perform better. I wouldn’t say the said players carried the game, on the contrary. We all played like a well oiled machine protecting low HP teammates and just making bloodbath of the enemy team which we singled out.

Needless to say, It felt like a different game. Make what you will out of this thread.
The tl;dr version in my opinion is that matching bunch of good players vs bunch of bad to average players is faulty logic.

Currently with all my creativity I can only think of joining some PvP guild and farm the leaderboard, because I seem stuck in the MMR hell T_T

maybe stop trying to be a little kitten.. join a guild, make some friends and pvp for the fun of it. im at 3000 matches, so im not pro, but not new… 50/50 win rate. i would gladly take a team of 1st timers as opposed to some self entitled prick like u. if u dont have fun while ur playing a game, its time to quit…

black sun empress.7401:

maybe stop trying to be a little kitten.. join a guild, make some friends and pvp for the fun of it. im at 3000 matches, so im not pro, but not new… 50/50 win rate. i would gladly take a team of 1st timers as opposed to some self entitled prick like u. if u dont have fun while ur playing a game, its time to quit…

Self-entitled? How exactly? o.O

I think Black sun means to say your attitude is why you’re stuck where you are right now. If you would play every game like there was a pro player and did your utmost best to communicate with your team, not throw games because “the rest of the team are noobs anyway so why bother” you would start to see a difference quite soon I bet. In short, behave like the pro player yourself instead of like the noobs you seem to hate so much.

You say 1 player doesn’t make much of a difference, but when there is a pro player in your team it obviously does.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Self-entitled? How exactly? o.O

Well…these parts don’t sound great.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Matching me with weaker than me players makes me indifferent to my team and this in term affects my gameplay.

Another phrase I could use in this case i guess would be that even though I’m mechanically correct with the toons I play, I’m more likely to make a bullkitten call for a team that I don’t care about one bit.

psizone.8437:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Self-entitled? How exactly? o.O

Well…these parts don’t sound great.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Matching me with weaker than me players makes me indifferent to my team and this in term affects my gameplay.

Another phrase I could use in this case i guess would be that even though I’m mechanically correct with the toons I play, I’m more likely to make a bullkitten call for a team that I don’t care about one bit.

I see how that would sound self-entitled now. Because you don’t know how i rate good and bad players. See, if someone calls targets and you don’t assist on a target that’s already well below 30% you look bad. If there is a downed enemy and you go off chasing some full HP ele while the rest of his teammates ressurect the said enemy, you seem kinda bad. Walking into necromancer marks without bothering to dodge or block is also a bad sign. If the current capture point is free of enemies, there is no point in staying there with 2 other people waiting for that 15 points of personal score. If you do that you are bad. I don’t care if its for the daily. There is a whole game for the freaking daily.

You’d be surprised how often I’m matched with such people.

wrong terminology poor choice of words. im sorry. u are basically saying you only play well when the rest of ur team plays well. u are indifferent to your team right off the bat unless they prove themselves to u.

screw the ESL, screw the elite, screw the rank farmers. honestly im not impressed watching esports meta garbage. . screw MMR, take a little bit of advice, play with friends, make some friends, win or lose, its all about how did u enjoy ur match. some of the best matches i have ever had win or lose, was playing with good ppl, and against good ppl.

when u solo que, you have the option to just run amuck and YOLO with no communication. or u can say hi, and try to talk strategy. take the lead if noone else will, and try.. wont always work, but sometime it does and you will meet some nice ppl.

TL:DR its a game, have fun….. <3

black sun empress.7401:

wrong terminology poor choice of words. im sorry. u are basically saying you only play well when the rest of ur team plays well. u are indifferent to your team right off the bat unless they prove themselves to u.

screw the ESL, screw the elite, screw the rank farmers. honestly im not impressed watching esports meta garbage. . screw MMR, take a little bit of advice, play with friends, make some friends, win or lose, its all about how did u enjoy ur match. some of the best matches i have ever had win or lose, was playing with good ppl, and against good ppl.

when u solo que, you have the option to just run amuck and YOLO with no communication. or u can say hi, and try to talk strategy. take the lead if noone else will, and try.. wont always work, but sometime it does and you will meet some nice ppl.

TL:DR its a game, have fun….. <3

Thank you for your words. But I’m trying all of what you said. I always switch my character depending on the enemy comp to be more effective. I can play well as thief, scrapper and rev. If we fight many DHs you can bet I’ll switch into scrapper and make them all sad pandas. But I can’t be everywhere in a game.

My games with my thief are the hardest even though i’ve played pvp thief since launch and am most comfortable with it. It’s the most paper class I’ve played with but the most rewarding. I can stealth bomb a lot of other builds and instantly remove 50-60% HP of off an unsuspecting enemy. And then I hit the clutch because there’s nobody to cover for me.

I usually play with my girlfriend but when so it happens I have to play thief because i’ve decided my teams needs mobility, there’s nobody to peel for her druid because i’m running errands all over the map.

Except for it’s hard to find a good guild with devoted pvp players that won’t discuss totally unrelated thing in or before the match. Not to mention losing in parties like that, may give birth to mutual mistrust among members in the future. So nah, no thanks, I’d rather focus on increasing individual skill than constantly running into situations like that. Not saying it doesn’t worth a shot to try to find a group/guild/party like that but totally not while the season is open already.

black sun empress.7401:

screw the ESL, screw the elite, screw the rank farmers. honestly im not impressed watching esports meta garbage. . screw MMR, take a little bit of advice, play with friends, make some friends, win or lose, its all about how did u enjoy ur match. some of the best matches i have ever had win or lose, was playing with good ppl, and against good ppl.

when u solo que, you have the option to just run amuck and YOLO with no communication. or u can say hi, and try to talk strategy. take the lead if noone else will, and try.. wont always work, but sometime it does and you will meet some nice ppl.

TL:DR its a game, have fun….. <3

100% agree with this. I have so much fun when i play with guildies (duo or triple queue sometimes)…(note: we very rarely use TS) but its fun because we know how we play and can anticipate each other to a certain degree.

When solo queuing i totally agree with trying to take the lead/initiative if no one else is. Many times we have made a difference in Temple map simply because i would say in Team chat “Tranquility in 30 seconds. Please help”.

On another note OP, you said you get inspired when you see a “pro” team mate play well. Why not be the “pro” team mate to your “noob” team and inspire them to play better?

ive played since beta… u are missing my point.,,,,,, win or lose doesn’t matter… play for fun and with good ppl. because in the end it doesnt matter . you wont always win, you wont always lose. you may lose 20 matches in a row. then you will win 501/499. that is the best match. you will also play a match where u lose 499/501 and that will be ur best match. bcuz u got the best stomp, or the clutch rez. even tho u lost, you had a great match.

this is the kind of person i wanna pvp with and wanna pvp against. take a leap and be a better person..

the DARK RONINS will see u on the battlefield, and i will greet u with a bow and a good fight.

This is why all these “lost 999 games in a row” threads are just bullkitten.
Im willing to bet these players complaining about “lose streaks” is more like win one lose 3, win one lose one, win 2 lose 3. Then they go on forums, “lost 20 games in a row” or the second they START losing they give up or just stop actually playing well, like the OP said, they wont res the downed players, or try to peel for other people if he doesnt deem them “pro”. Its exactly that kind of attitude that makes these players lose
If your not a team player, dont expect your team to win
OP pretty much said “i dont try unless i know im being Carried”

black sun empress.7401:

maybe stop trying to be a little kitten.. join a guild, make some friends and pvp for the fun of it. im at 3000 matches, so im not pro, but not new… 50/50 win rate. i would gladly take a team of 1st timers as opposed to some self entitled prick like u. if u dont have fun while ur playing a game, its time to quit…

WOW – I don’t think that was necessary.

You know… instead of getting on your high horse, this guy is being honest.

Look at all the QQ threads about AFK’ers.

You often know you’re on the losing team within a min or 2, and I like to just keep playing, doing my thing.

BUT when I see someone going AFK at the same time as the penny has dropped for me that my team mates are clueless, I know that THAT person was probably the other decent player on the team and he turned up with good intentions, wanting some competition but got poo’d on by the system.

Then I see the guys who are still playing… and their !!!!!!‘ing in chat about do this do that… and really think they have a chance – because they’re that new.

And I keep on playing – doing my thing… but I know that the AFK’er was most likely a reasonable player and the other well intentioned folks – well… they’re learning… hopefully the system doesn’t break their enthusiasm.

TLDR – Guy comes on forum… writes honestly…. gets abused….

Vasdamas Anklast.1607:

Except for it’s hard to find a good guild with devoted pvp players that won’t discuss totally unrelated thing in or before the match. Not to mention losing in parties like that, may give birth to mutual mistrust among members in the future. So nah, no thanks, I’d rather focus on increasing individual skill than constantly running into situations like that. Not saying it doesn’t worth a shot to try to find a group/guild/party like that but totally not while the season is open already.

this is the type of person that ruins pvp… stop thinking its pvp, its team vs team. season or no season… talk to ur ppl…

Kayberz.5346:

This is why all these “lost 999 games in a row” threads are just bullkitten.
Im willing to bet these players complaining about “lose streaks” is more like win one lose 3, win one lose one, win 2 lose 3. Then they go on forums, “lost 20 games in a row” or the second they START losing they give up or just stop actually playing well, like the OP said, they wont res the downed players, or try to peel for other people if he doesnt deem them “pro”. Its exactly that kind of attitude that makes these players lose
If your not a team player, dont expect your team to win
OP pretty much said “i dont try unless i know im being Carried”

Some have posted pics, and you can’t generalize the OP experience.

Kayberz.5346:

OP pretty much said “i dont try unless i know im being Carried”

Sometimes I wonder if I’m typing in English or some other language because that’s not what I said at all o.O How did you end up with this conclusion

Ah I get it … you just skimmed through a random paragraph and made up opinion about me or my message.

I actually got into sapphire in a day without a single loss prior to that. Now I’m getting stomped. I wouldn’t say I was carried into sapphire. If I was losing tiers/divisions in sapphire … i’d be back in amber. I’ve gotten the losing streak bonus pip more often than I’m comfortable to admit. Back in amber and emerald I was able to go around weaker teammates because the enemy team was just as bad and didn’t cleave properly and were desynchronized. Now that I keep getting the same teammates as before versus primordial legends who actually know what focus target is … my win odds are close to a zero with the teams I get. I even get matched with people from emerald vs full sapphire team. Will take screens when I get home tonight

Spartacus.3192:

black sun empress.7401:

screw the ESL, screw the elite, screw the rank farmers. honestly im not impressed watching esports meta garbage. . screw MMR, take a little bit of advice, play with friends, make some friends, win or lose, its all about how did u enjoy ur match. some of the best matches i have ever had win or lose, was playing with good ppl, and against good ppl.

when u solo que, you have the option to just run amuck and YOLO with no communication. or u can say hi, and try to talk strategy. take the lead if noone else will, and try.. wont always work, but sometime it does and you will meet some nice ppl.

TL:DR its a game, have fun….. <3

100% agree with this. I have so much fun when i play with guildies (duo or triple queue sometimes)…(note: we very rarely use TS) but its fun because we know how we play and can anticipate each other to a certain degree.

When solo queuing i totally agree with trying to take the lead/initiative if no one else is. Many times we have made a difference in Temple map simply because i would say in Team chat “Tranquility in 30 seconds. Please help”.

On another note OP, you said you get inspired when you see a “pro” team mate play well. Why not be the “pro” team mate to your “noob” team and inspire them to play better?

im not on a high horse m8.. i am saying. enjoy ur game. enjoy ur matches. win or lose,. play ur best. and HAVE FUN WHILE DOING IT. i dont care if im losing 500/50 if im having a good time on TS with my friends around the world. i get that 1 stomp with my favorite finisher. then i win. ITS PVP. HAVE FUN…. hitme up in game if u want to play with decent ppl….

Vasdamas Anklast.1607:

Except for it’s hard to find a good guild with devoted pvp players that won’t discuss totally unrelated thing in or before the match. Not to mention losing in parties like that, may give birth to mutual mistrust among members in the future. So nah, no thanks, I’d rather focus on increasing individual skill than constantly running into situations like that. Not saying it doesn’t worth a shot to try to find a group/guild/party like that but totally not while the season is open already.

I also queue solo mostly since no one in my guild ever seems to want to do Arenas together :/

That being said, if I meet cool/decent people in game I will ask them if they want to team up a bit after. Some will say no but if you’re decent yourself and they have seen it more likely than not they will be happy to (at least in my experience). This way you build up your own network of equally skilled players to team up with.

Dirtyrascal.1023:

black sun empress.7401:

maybe stop trying to be a little kitten.. join a guild, make some friends and pvp for the fun of it. im at 3000 matches, so im not pro, but not new… 50/50 win rate. i would gladly take a team of 1st timers as opposed to some self entitled prick like u. if u dont have fun while ur playing a game, its time to quit…

WOW – I don’t think that was necessary.

You know… instead of getting on your high horse, this guy is being honest.

Look at all the QQ threads about AFK’ers.

You often know you’re on the losing team within a min or 2, and I like to just keep playing, doing my thing.

BUT when I see someone going AFK at the same time as the penny has dropped for me that my team mates are clueless, I know that THAT person was probably the other decent player on the team and he turned up with good intentions, wanting some competition but got poo’d on by the system.

Then I see the guys who are still playing… and their !!!!!!‘ing in chat about do this do that… and really think they have a chance – because they’re that new.

And I keep on playing – doing my thing… but I know that the AFK’er was most likely a reasonable player and the other well intentioned folks – well… they’re learning… hopefully the system doesn’t break their enthusiasm.

TLDR – Guy comes on forum… writes honestly…. gets abused….

the only thing i can say to this is what i said b4, its not pvp, it is NEVER PVP. its team vs team. play with ppl u like. if u solo que. make some friends.

afk’rs will happen
DC will happen
ppl quit, will happen
i want u all to fight every match like it depends on ur life. and every part of ur team protects u
.

bout to solo que. and i bet i have a better time than u….

Ravenmoon.5318:

Kayberz.5346:

OP pretty much said “i dont try unless i know im being Carried”

Sometimes I wonder if I’m typing in English or some other language because that’s not what I said at all o.O How did you end up with this conclusion

Ah I get it … you just skimmed through a random paragraph and made up opinion about me or my message.

I actually got into sapphire in a day without a single loss prior to that. Now I’m getting stomped. I wouldn’t say I was carried into sapphire. If I was losing tiers/divisions in sapphire … i’d be back in amber. I’ve gotten the losing streak bonus pip more often than I’m comfortable to admit. Back in amber and emerald I was able to go around weaker teammates because the enemy team was just as bad and didn’t cleave properly and were desynchronized. Now that I keep getting the same teammates as before versus primordial legends who actually know what focus target is … my win odds are close to a zero with the teams I get. I even get matched with people from emerald vs full sapphire team. Will take screens when I get home tonight

You said yourself that if a “champion slayer” player goes down your not going to waste your cooldowns to get them up. But when your playing with better players you try harder.
You have to play to win EVERY game, not just ones that start in your favor
I had like five games yesterday where we lost the mid fight (and one where we got 3 capped right after) where i tought to myself “well, we definitely lost this game” but i didnt just give up, i played to win, backcaped when my team was zerging, +1ing 1v1s my teammates were fighting, or stalling the enemy team 1v2 or 1v3 to give my team time to cap. And we WON
You have to be a team player EVERY game, sure, your team might suck, but if your not going to put 100% effort into helping them then your just setting both yourself and your team up to fail. The bad players on your team arnt going to carry themselves