Guild Wars 2

I don’t know where to start…

Eles hardcounter or render DHs useless
Scrapper hard counter and completely butcher DH on point
Revs might as well dance in circles around the DH

And these are all meta classes and PRESENT IN EVERY SINGLE game mode.

In addition to that, Condi warrior puts the guardian to shame in both melee and range.

I can’t believe how far the guardian has fallen. Players are actually getting flamed for rolling with a guardian as they are a detrimental to their team.

Anet…. do something please

Guardian is ok but…. OP elementalist and engineers hard conter every ranged classes. Every time is in game 1-2 elementalist with engineer. Team with elementalist vs team without in ruby+ has 90%+ win rate.

That is all

Evilek.5690:

Guardian is ok but…. OP elementalist and engineers hard conter every ranged classes. Every time is in game 1-2 elementalist with engineer. Team with elementalist vs team without in ruby+ has 90%+ win rate.

That is all

Yeah Guard seems fairly robust for the burst it can dish out, and I agree with you on ele/engi- pretty tough to beat.

DH is fine. Enough players have reached legendary already just playing DH and purely solo-queuing.

DH is nowhere as bad as thieves and wars were in s1/2. Revs/scrappers and eles to extend are just overtuned. If anything, they need a nerf.

Teutos.8620:

DH is fine. Enough players have reached legendary already just playing DH and purely solo-queuing.

I am a guard main with over 4k hours into it.

I gave up on guard with sPVP solo queue and switched to necro/ele/rev

I can’t tell you how happy I am when I see a DH on the other team. especially when I’m on my ele. I know its going to be a walk in the park.

DH/guard is extremely weak right now. and even more so is hard countered by all the meta classes. Which makes the situation 2x worse.

I know people have hit legendary with DH, but a lot more have hit legendary with ele and necro. Doesn’t mean ele doesn’t need a nerf or DH a buff

The guardian/DH has fallen so much that it’s nearly extinct in some parts of the game pvp,pve(some dung,raids) and even the wvw(remaining debatable)
G/DH have become the mockery of the other classes and the accused for losing some games because we can keep up
In my case i accuse the devs the creators for making the G/DH so weak and dont open there eyes to se that the class is dying soo fast that were near unplayable

Just got out of some spvp, nothing but guardians.

1 game had 5/10 players as guardians, next had 4/5 of my opponents all guardians, then another 2 games had 3/5 of the opposing players as guardians.

They are super popular right now, so they can’t be that bad.

Hexs.8015:

Just got out of some spvp, nothing but guardians.

1 game had 5/10 players as guardians, next had 4/5 of my opponents all guardians, then another 2 games had 3/5 of the opposing players as guardians.

They are super popular right now, so they can’t be that bad.

You should probably come out of amber division.

I promise you it gets much “better” from there

Cynz.9437:

DH is nowhere as bad as thieves and wars were in s1/2. Revs/scrappers and eles to extend are just overtuned. If anything, they need a nerf.

I would say DH is as useless as thief was in s1/2

Krysard.1364:

Cynz.9437:

DH is nowhere as bad as thieves and wars were in s1/2. Revs/scrappers and eles to extend are just overtuned. If anything, they need a nerf.

I would say DH is as useless as thief was in s1/2

I disagree lol. DH can still kill enemies and provide point pressure. Thief couldn’t touch anything in s1 xD

AGGabriel.9230:

The guardian/DH has fallen so much that it’s nearly extinct in some parts of the game pvp,pve(some dung,raids) and even the wvw(remaining debatable)
G/DH have become the mockery of the other classes and the accused for losing some games because we can keep up
In my case i accuse the devs the creators for making the G/DH so weak and dont open there eyes to se that the class is dying soo fast that were near unplayable

Fortunately as long as Guard stays the best at giving AoE stab they’ll exist as frontliners in WvW.

Cynz you keep throwing out that “they aren’t as bad as thief was” like it means something. Thief got buffed. Or do you want them to revert that damage buff thieves got?

Hunter.4783:

Hexs.8015:

Just got out of some spvp, nothing but guardians.

1 game had 5/10 players as guardians, next had 4/5 of my opponents all guardians, then another 2 games had 3/5 of the opposing players as guardians.

They are super popular right now, so they can’t be that bad.

You should probably come out of amber division.

I promise you it gets much “better” from there

I am in ruby and it is the same story- sometimes 3 DH’s on a team: they are far from bad- although some players using DH are bad. The sad thing is guard got turned into a burst bow/trapper.

King Cephalopod.7942:

AGGabriel.9230:

The guardian/DH has fallen so much that it’s nearly extinct in some parts of the game pvp,pve(some dung,raids) and even the wvw(remaining debatable)
G/DH have become the mockery of the other classes and the accused for losing some games because we can keep up
In my case i accuse the devs the creators for making the G/DH so weak and dont open there eyes to se that the class is dying soo fast that were near unplayable

Fortunately as long as Guard stays the best at giving AoE stab they’ll exist as frontliners in WvW.

Cynz you keep throwing out that “they aren’t as bad as thief was” like it means something. Thief got buffed. Or do you want them to revert that damage buff thieves got?

They could do it, wouldn’t change thief role really. I just don’t think DH are that bad as they claim, i saw few good ones in legend. I haven’t seen a single team flaming DH yet, however i have seen thieves getting flamed for simply playing the class every second match in s1/2.
And as i said before, i think Anet should focus more on bringing back bunker or medi guard instead of buffing braindead trap build. And nerf elites, ofc, all of them.

Cynz.9437:

DH is nowhere as bad as thieves and wars were in s1/2. Revs/scrappers and eles to extend are just overtuned. If anything, they need a nerf.

Why do you always bring up thief? It is starting to get really old now.

Thieves have ALWAYS BEEN GREAT. Only reason they sucked in s1/2 are because of they are being overshadowed by revenants. THIEF IS NOT THE PROBLEM. We are on this victim game again. Yes thieves NEED BUILD DIVERSITY but to say they were in a bad spot like DH now? smh..

PS: Do not blame the state of thieves for getting flamed by players, WE ALL KNOW that 90% of the thief population do not know how to play your class effectively

@Topic

Coming from a ranger player here, I have no idea why there is sooooo much projectile hate in the game right now. Eles have multiple ways to get magnetic aura, Gale, etc. The Meta build has ALL of THOSE. Same with Engineers.

I would Say DH and Rangers need unblockable range attacks to compensate. Especially DHs, There is literally 0 reason to go DH if you are not gonna take LB, which is an EXCLUSIVE weapon set for an elite spec only to be nullified completely.

Cynz.9437:

King Cephalopod.7942:

AGGabriel.9230:

The guardian/DH has fallen so much that it’s nearly extinct in some parts of the game pvp,pve(some dung,raids) and even the wvw(remaining debatable)
G/DH have become the mockery of the other classes and the accused for losing some games because we can keep up
In my case i accuse the devs the creators for making the G/DH so weak and dont open there eyes to se that the class is dying soo fast that were near unplayable

Fortunately as long as Guard stays the best at giving AoE stab they’ll exist as frontliners in WvW.

Cynz you keep throwing out that “they aren’t as bad as thief was” like it means something. Thief got buffed. Or do you want them to revert that damage buff thieves got?

They could do it, wouldn’t change thief role really. I just don’t think DH are that bad as they claim, i saw few good ones in legend. I haven’t seen a single team flaming DH yet, however i have seen thieves getting flamed for simply playing the class every second match in s1/2.
And as i said before, i think Anet should focus more on bringing back bunker or medi guard instead of buffing braindead trap build. And nerf elites, ofc, all of them.

I am 100% sure that DH is a safer bet than a thief in most games. There are amazing thieves that can turn matches, but often they are easy kills or can get shut out of the game. However, unless the DH player is really terrible it is usually a pretty solid class in spvp. And good DH’s are a nightmare.

“DH are in a good spot in WvW so they wont be getting buffed for TPvP.”
-Anet logic.

Hexs.8015:

Just got out of some spvp, nothing but guardians.

1 game had 5/10 players as guardians, next had 4/5 of my opponents all guardians, then another 2 games had 3/5 of the opposing players as guardians.

They are super popular right now, so they can’t be that bad.

It was the guardian daily PvP. That’s probably why I also saw do so many…admittedly I was also playing mine. Inge of my games today had only thieves and guardians doing their daily…

Seen quite a few support/bunker dh, and they are quite revoltingly endurable with their blocks.

So, maybe you are just running the wrong build.

Yasi.9065:

Seen quite a few support/bunker dh, and they are quite revoltingly endurable with their blocks.

So, maybe you are just running the wrong build.

Tend to melt in any teamfight sadly. Those blocks don’t last long since other than F3 they’re not channelled.

And ofc, a power rev will rek them.

Yasi.9065:

Seen quite a few support/bunker dh, and they are quite revoltingly endurable with their blocks.

So, maybe you are just running the wrong build.

No way, a bunker DH is a joke. Every “active block” is in such a long cooldown and the lack of other ways of damage mitigation means the DH “tank” melts sooner than even a squishy DPS rev.

A thief, especially a perma evade one, as a much better survivability than even a tank DH. Simply because of its ability to get away. DHs are sitting ducks, they cannot do dmg, they cannot tank, they cannot get away.

Hunter.4783:

I don’t know where to start…

Eles hardcounter or render DHs useless
Scrapper hard counter and completely butcher DH on point
Revs might as well dance in circles around the DH

And these are all meta classes and PRESENT IN EVERY SINGLE game mode.

In addition to that, Condi warrior puts the guardian to shame in both melee and range.

I can’t believe how far the guardian has fallen. Players are actually getting flamed for rolling with a guardian as they are a detrimental to their team.

Anet…. do something please

Guard is great idk what you’re talking about. Try a different approach to fighting these classes I don’t even main guard and I can kill most classes easily. Just not botching your rotation helps

Saiyan.1704:

“DH are in a good spot in WvW so they wont be getting buffed for TPvP.”
-Anet logic.

“I suck at DH so they need to be buffed.”
-OP’s logic

DH is perfectly fine outside of pro esl matches.

I still don’t get why they added a longbow and traps to guardian as an elite spec, very weird decision.

Got hit by trueshot for 5k… it smarts :< My poor viper nec nearly died to that

But.. tbh… theres a lot of DHs out there, that just arent good. They make stupid decisions, like jumping in first in fights… standing on point against a necro…

And I think, in the past… DH trap build supported that kind of stupid behaviour, it didnt punish it.

Now you get punished for it – as it should be – and you have to play way more cautiously.

There are those DH, that do that… and they can wreck havoc against soloqueuer’s. And then there are those that still run in, tunnelvision on, just to die instantly… those usually are those that end up going to forums and crying because they cant win anymore.

Mind you, Im talking about soloqueue. Trap dh or even support dh is like viper necro. It is very successful against unorganized teams. It is useless against organized teams.

So, my tip:
Start out on DH, play it cautious, and if you see that you still get wrecked because enemy switches to you immediately… as soon as you are dead, switch to another character.
Thats what I do when playing my necro.

Anet doesnt ban it (yet), so there is no reason not to use that advantage to the fullest, especially as a DH.

last week I ran into a guardian which consistently wiped the floor with me 1 v 1. I’d thought that I was a hard counter, used my usual tricks…. there’s at least one guy out there who’s ahead of the game on the DH front. I still haven’t worked out how he beat me over and over.

Most DH’s don’t present a problem, this guy was worlds ahead of me. So I believe there is untapped potential in the class for some.

shion.2084:

last week I ran into a guardian which consistently wiped the floor with me 1 v 1. I’d thought that I was a hard counter, used my usual tricks…. there’s at least one guy out there who’s ahead of the game on the DH front. I still haven’t worked out how he beat me over and over.

Most DH’s don’t present a problem, this guy was worlds ahead of me. So I believe there is untapped potential in the class for some.

Sounds like you got hugely outplayed mate.

Notice how you said last week and not…every day.

That tells you that unless there is a considerable skill difference, the DH is toast.

I see there every single match up with my ele, or necro. Most DH are complete garbage, but that’s not because I am better. In fact, I’m a complete nub in ele yet the class carried me to diamond with like a 80% win rate, simply because every single game that I faced a DH or 2, I already knew how it was going to end.

I too have been killed by DH…probably like twice in my last 2 weeks. Now compare that to every single mace/shield war that are a nightmare…

@Hunter, If you’re playing ranked, don’t play Guard / DH. People will give you grief and unfortunately they’re justified. DG is in a pretty bad place right now. I stick to unranked mostly because I play whatever I have fun playing. I don’t care about the back piece because I only play a few different classes and have no interest getting X amount of wins on all 9 classes. DH will shine again, just not right now.

Hunter.4783:

shion.2084:

last week I ran into a guardian which consistently wiped the floor with me 1 v 1. I’d thought that I was a hard counter, used my usual tricks…. there’s at least one guy out there who’s ahead of the game on the DH front. I still haven’t worked out how he beat me over and over.

Most DH’s don’t present a problem, this guy was worlds ahead of me. So I believe there is untapped potential in the class for some.

Sounds like you got hugely outplayed mate.

Notice how you said last week and not…every day.

That tells you that unless there is a considerable skill difference, the DH is toast.

I see there every single match up with my ele, or necro. Most DH are complete garbage, but that’s not because I am better. In fact, I’m a complete nub in ele yet the class carried me to diamond with like a 80% win rate, simply because every single game that I faced a DH or 2, I already knew how it was going to end.

I too have been killed by DH…probably like twice in my last 2 weeks. Now compare that to every single mace/shield war that are a nightmare…

Likely got out played, but there’s room out there to do that with this class is my point. It’s possible there are folks out there who are doing just fine with this class, this guy knew what he was doing.

drcraig.9403:

@Hunter, If you’re playing ranked, don’t play Guard / DH. People will give you grief and unfortunately they’re justified. DG is in a pretty bad place right now. I stick to unranked mostly because I play whatever I have fun playing. I don’t care about the back piece because I only play a few different classes and have no interest getting X amount of wins on all 9 classes. DH will shine again, just not right now.

I never play DH/guard in ranked. I swapped to ele/rev/necro/ just like most other guardian mains.

Its sad to see a class with such potential slowly being reduced to garbage from lack of focus and while being called as “being in a good spot”