Guild Wars 2

Feel My Wrath only used by bunker guardian and yet it is easily counter by boon rip and corrupt boons from mesmer/thief/nerco.

Putting it on 45 Sec CD is like making a good and half decent skill become useless.
Maybe we will have to see what’s other changes but this nerf is really unnecessary. If so maybe make Feel My Wrath instant cast? Since it’s a shout it should be instant cast. If this shout become instant cast then the CD increase Nerf will make sense.

ps. I don’t play guardian but I just think this nerf doesn’t make any sense, why not just focus on balancing the real overpowered spec/skills in this game? Instead of touching skills that people barely use/play on NA/EU? (In PvP I mean)

If there are any explanation it will be so awesome to know why this skill is nerfed. Maybe is because of PvE?

best regards.

Feel My Wrath was on the edge of being one of those overpowered skill. 6sec of quickness is no joke. It’s going to be fine as a 45sec CD.

Still strong skill with 36s cd traited with long aoe fury and quickness application.
24s cd is just a bit too good.

Probably prompted by PvE more than PvP.

Exedore.6320:

Probably prompted by PvE more than PvP.

36s traited, still perfectly reasonable considering how game-changing it can be.

So you mean to tell me they can nerf dodge roll healing and save yourself for PvP while keeping it normalized in PvE/WvW, but not vice versa when it comes to Feel My Wrath?

Like are they biased? Half the things Anet does with guardian doesn’t make sense. It’s not like there is this ultimate plan for guardian to become more polished. They need to reconsider this. If anything make it a 35 second cd or leave it alone in PvP.

it was fine at 24 / 30

the 36 / 45 nerf was unnecessary, unjustified, stupid, idiotic, ridiculous, outrageous.

Warrior Frenzy gives slightly longer quickness, only affects yourself, doesn’t remove any conditions and has a 60s cd.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Warrior Frenzy gives slightly longer quickness, only affects yourself, doesn’t remove any conditions and has a 60s cd.

its a stun breaker and a stance.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Warrior Frenzy gives slightly longer quickness, only affects yourself, doesn’t remove any conditions and has a 60s cd.

its a stun breaker and a stance.

Stance vs Shout cancels each other out, which means that stun break is that much more powerful than having the quickness and fury be AoE that it justifies much higher cd. Makes sense.

Anybody who plays Guard with any frequency knew this was coming. Relax. It’s not that big a nerf. I’d much rather they did this with the CD than affect the duration of the shout.

drgast.1469:

Anybody who plays Guard with any frequency knew this was coming. Relax. It’s not that big a nerf. I’d much rather they did this with the CD than affect the duration of the shout.

Nerf was coming? For wat reason? Who was complaining it was too strong lmfao? Im sure you understand having this on a shorter cd def helped survivability of yourself and even teammates at times.

Last time I checked, people were complaining about
1) DD ele
2) Burn stacks
3) Vamp Runes
4) PU mesmer/Condi Mesmer

Where in the kitten world did anyone say quickness on guardian? People have complained about overcharge shot on engi not having animation for years, but they always nerf guardian.

Shall I continue?

Nerf glaicial heart by putting it in a traitline that doesnt evne make sense why?
Take away purity or due to ignorance not realize they were nerfing it why?
Make symbol heals/larger pretty much not an option why?
Ignoring shield skills for 3 years why?
Nerf dodge roll healing and save yourself to only revert it back to what it used to be and consider that a buff? Is that some sort of joke or slap in the face?

U see my point or where im getting at? Constant nerfs for such an underwhelming class? What because a bunker guard can rez lol? If a person complains about a bunker guard rezzing and say its needs to be nerfed because of that, I suggest they stop playing gw2.

lilz shorty.1879:

drgast.1469:

Anybody who plays Guard with any frequency knew this was coming. Relax. It’s not that big a nerf. I’d much rather they did this with the CD than affect the duration of the shout.

Nerf was coming? For wat reason? Who was complaining it was too strong lmfao? Im sure you understand having this on a shorter cd def helped survivability of yourself and even teammates at times.

You ask what made it strong then give one of the reasons why it was strong? Seems legit.

Belial.9350:

lilz shorty.1879:

drgast.1469:

Anybody who plays Guard with any frequency knew this was coming. Relax. It’s not that big a nerf. I’d much rather they did this with the CD than affect the duration of the shout.

Nerf was coming? For wat reason? Who was complaining it was too strong lmfao? Im sure you understand having this on a shorter cd def helped survivability of yourself and even teammates at times.

You ask what made it strong then give one of the reasons why it was strong? Seems legit.

Lol? I didn’t ask what made it strong. First of all, if a skill is good or strong that doesn’t mean it needs a nerf or is OP. Second you obviously can’t read or comprehend what I stated and why I stated it. I simply stated why the shorter cd was needed for our survivablity due to what we were giving up as an elite. And then I gave reasons why the nerf was unnecessary as well as all the other ones and who asked for the nerf?

Did you even read the response?

45 seconds is still extremely low, maybe too low a cooldown for such an amazing shout.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

45 seconds is still extremely low, maybe too low a cooldown for such an amazing shout.

Do you guys forget what we give up for not having renwed focus? We have no way of escaping a fight when trained or access to stealth. That is why we rely on blocks and invulns and pretty much ALWAYS ran Renwed focus.

So you think having an elite shout on a 60-80 second cd is justifiable when that is completely laughable considering we are extremely cooldown dependent as well? \

Its like people AND ANET, fails to realize why guards sometimes are prone to taking certain skills ALL THE TIME. The reason why it felt ok to also take that elite is, for once in our kitten lives we didnt have something with such a long cd that was strong, and its short cd helped us survive longer without having the invuln when running staff mostly.

Why do you think most dps guards cannot take Feel my wrath? Because they absolutely need it to survive due to how important disengaging/resetting/stealth is in this game. Same with bunker guard but due to its more sustainy nature, we can sacrifice it due to things such as AH/Empower/etc with quickness.

Back to Renewed Focus for every mode it seems

I didn’t feel like it was that monstrous. It is a very good elite skill but so is Rampage. Honestly, if people wanted it nerfed, 40 seconds would be a sweeter spot.

maybe make it an instant cast for giving it a longer cd? A shout with cast time feels wierd anyway. 45 secs seems too long. 35 seconds would be ok i guess.

this shout was just a little bit better than RF, we give up alot of own survival for it. And we got nerfed asap?(if only they’d be that fast with other stuff)
Bunker guardian isnt even a thing in top pvp. no team runs it. Is it good? yes. Still it has heavy weaknesses. I just dont understand where this nerf comes from, at least from a pvp point of view

site note: meanwhile mesmer get quickness on every shatter…

Anti.9156:

maybe make it an instant cast for giving it a longer cd? A shout with cast time feels wierd anyway. 45 secs seems too long. 35 seconds would be ok i guess.

this shout was just a little bit better than RF, we give up alot of own survival for it. And we got nerfed asap?(if only they’d be that fast with other stuff)

site note: meanwhile mesmer get quickness on every shatter…

This! THIS RIGHT HERE EXACTLY.

This is so true, this huge nerf (50% cd increase)nerf doesn’t make any sense at all.

Many of my guard friends came back just for this skill and now you nerf it because it was “too strong” this is beyond stupid, the skill was working as intended, good guards used it in the right moments and winning fights with that, is that too strong for you? but it isn’t strong to see a kittening d/d tanking 3 people at the same time and not dying.

I don’t understand your logic at all anet—

But ohh they nerfed blinding ashes from 5s to 8s, this this right here makes a lot of sense….. really anet… really.

I would have gone for a 40 seconds cooldown considering the cast time and that you could have grabbed the almighty Renewed Focus instead but it should still be fine still.

It is fine either way, You do not spam the shout, you use it for a quick stomp or a res, something that is very tactical in nature. Also, in PvE you can usually use it just once in a boss fight.

I think a kitten CD is ok.

Pure PvE/WvW nerf.

Everyone who did not see it coming was either not playing PvE or has a strange sense of balance.

Giving one of the currently most desired classes in PvE one of the best near spammable damage multipliers was a bit insane.

45/36 is fine.

Cyninja.2954:

Pure PvE/WvW nerf.

Everyone who did not see it coming was either not playing PvE or has a strange sense of balance.

Giving one of the currently most desired classes in PvE one of the best near spammable damage multipliers was a bit insane.

45/36 is fine.

If it was a pure pve/WvW why the kitten did they apply this for pvp lol.

Elxdark.9702:

This is so true, this huge nerf (50% cd increase)nerf doesn’t make any sense at all.

Many of my guard friends came back just for this skill and now you nerf it because it was “too strong” this is beyond stupid, the skill was working as intended, good guards used it in the right moments and winning fights with that, is that too strong for you? but it isn’t strong to see a kittening d/d tanking 3 people at the same time and not dying.

I don’t understand your logic at all anet—

But ohh they nerfed blinding ashes from 5s to 8s, this this right here makes a lot of sense….. really anet… really.

yes…….LOL. This is what im talking about. Shall I remind anet of the stupid glaicial heart and purity nerf? Do they realize if you do not run focus, you pretty much have no worthwhile trait adept trait as a bunker guard. Lol………I just lol…………

Cyninja.2954:

Pure PvE/WvW nerf.

Everyone who did not see it coming was either not playing PvE or has a strange sense of balance.

Giving one of the currently most desired classes in PvE one of the best near spammable damage multipliers was a bit insane.

45/36 is fine.

Then nerf it only for PvE. They sure as hell did that for dodge roll heals and save yourself for almost 2 and a half years for PvP. But then what did they do? They end up reverting it trying to imply it as a buff almost lmfao.

I’m not too miffed about the CD increase. At 30sec you could spam it and still have it back when you needed it. At 45sec, you have to be a bit more judicious about when to use it.

I don’t think they want to reduce it to 0 cast time. They made it 1/4sec so that you couldn’t cast it during other actions. Maybe give a few extra seconds of Fury to compensate?

I am pretty sure shout guardian will remain the hardest carry for team fight after this nerf

Lol anet, you so funie~
If this trait was so broken in pve and wvw then why not just increase cd for those 2 game modes? They’ve done something like that already for save yourselves. No bueno

kitten I feel bad for all the players I’ve faced that had the deal with my OP “FEEL MY WRAITH.”

RIP

The pve reason it is being nerfed is basically that a team of 5 guardians could keep 100% uptime of quickness (With or without the trait) for the entire party using only one skill, not to mention the short recharge condition cleanse that comes alongside just traiting it down to 24 seconds. It really trivializes some aspects of gameplay. Why nerf it for pvp as well? Who knows, except maybe because the new “meta” in stronghold is basically to just play “Rush the goal line” instead of actually playing as intended.

Elxdark.9702:

Cyninja.2954:

Pure PvE/WvW nerf.

Everyone who did not see it coming was either not playing PvE or has a strange sense of balance.

Giving one of the currently most desired classes in PvE one of the best near spammable damage multipliers was a bit insane.

45/36 is fine.

If it was a pure pve/WvW why the kitten did they apply this for pvp lol.

Name 1 skill that has a different funktion between PvE and PvP in this game. Just 1 please.

Yeah, I thought as much.

Cyninja.2954:

Elxdark.9702:

Cyninja.2954:

Pure PvE/WvW nerf.

Everyone who did not see it coming was either not playing PvE or has a strange sense of balance.

Giving one of the currently most desired classes in PvE one of the best near spammable damage multipliers was a bit insane.

45/36 is fine.

If it was a pure pve/WvW why the kitten did they apply this for pvp lol.

Name 1 skill that has a different funktion between PvE and PvP in this game. Just 1 please.

Yeah, I thought as much.

“Save yourselves!” The durations for all of the boons you gain are shorter in pvp than in pve. There are others as well. The guardian trait that heals on dodge roll, for instance. These two were already named and listed in the thread if you read it all. Clearly you did not.

Sojourner.4621:

Cyninja.2954:

Elxdark.9702:

Cyninja.2954:

Pure PvE/WvW nerf.

Everyone who did not see it coming was either not playing PvE or has a strange sense of balance.

Giving one of the currently most desired classes in PvE one of the best near spammable damage multipliers was a bit insane.

45/36 is fine.

If it was a pure pve/WvW why the kitten did they apply this for pvp lol.

Name 1 skill that has a different funktion between PvE and PvP in this game. Just 1 please.

Yeah, I thought as much.

“Save yourselves!” The durations for all of the boons you gain are shorter in pvp than in pve. There are others as well. The guardian trait that heals on dodge roll, for instance. These two were already named and listed in the thread if you read it all. Clearly you did not.

As a matter of fact I did not, because 90% of the thread was whining about a nerf that is more than justified.

Point still stands, Anet have gone out of their not to split skills between PvE and PvP as they did in GW2.

If that does change, sure then they might rebalance the elite shout. Before that happens though, a LOT of other elites warant rebalancing.

Personally I agree with the nerf, even in pvp, because of one thing: Stronghold. Currently the “strategy” is to have four offensive players attack down the lane and escort door-busters while one person sits back and spams the NPCs down the lane. Assuming that those four pushers are all shout traited guardians, six seconds of swiftness x4 = 24 second perma swiftness (i.e. the total duration of the cooldown.) This is BAD for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that this particular strategy is toxic and idiotic.

Personally I am particularly annoyed by the fact that people would rather find a way to break the gameplay mode than actually play it as intended. This is a matter for a different topic, though, and to me the nerf makes perfect sense.

I was merely pointing out that they can and WILL split skills for pvp if they think that the nerf/buff of a skill will balance poorly. In this particular case, though, it would be a bad idea to split.

Cyninja.2954:

Elxdark.9702:

Cyninja.2954:

Pure PvE/WvW nerf.

Everyone who did not see it coming was either not playing PvE or has a strange sense of balance.

Giving one of the currently most desired classes in PvE one of the best near spammable damage multipliers was a bit insane.

45/36 is fine.

If it was a pure pve/WvW why the kitten did they apply this for pvp lol.

Name 1 skill that has a different funktion between PvE and PvP in this game. Just 1 please.

Yeah, I thought as much.

Please tell me you are joking? Dodge roll heals and save yourself were halved in pvp while remaining normalized in pve for 3 years now. Is this some sortve troll?

It’s quite obvious Anet seems to cater guardian overall from traits to skills/utilities for pve. This would explain a lot of the unjustified stationary skills and useless skills for pvp and not realizing the issues with guardian in pvp.

If this is the case then, they need apply the principal they did for guardians dodge roll heals and save yourself before to everything about guardian. If they feel need nerf for pve, then let this be a trend making it separate for pve and pvp unless both are justified.

Like glacial heart? Put it in with absolute resolution why? In pve you can get away with that but pvp? That had to be a joke.

uhm dulfys “GW2 Twitchcon Skill Balance Update Preview” says this right below the “feel my wrath” changes.
Save Yourselves! – Was split between PvP and PvE version, now we are using the PvE version across all modes.
It seems you have missed that.

I like how nobodies talking about how the shield got buffed tremendously, or that all the people going on about save yourselves and dodge roll heals being seperate numbers based between PvP, WvW & PvE have now all been normalized across the board and provide the same numbers no matter what gamemode you’re in.

It’s like as soon as you guys heard “Feel my wraths cooldown is increased to 45 seconds” you all started screaming like mad frothing dogs and completely missed the rest of the presentation, also for all we know, there could be things to counteract the nerf (which is justified IMO) by increasing damage on certain abilities, providing more effects or buffing some utilities to actually be useful.

The change mentioned for FMW was just a TEASER.

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

I like how nobodies talking about how the shield got buffed tremendously, or that all the people going on about save yourselves and dodge roll heals being seperate numbers based between PvP, WvW & PvE have now all been normalized across the board and provide the same numbers no matter what gamemode you’re in.

It’s like as soon as you guys heard “Feel my wraths cooldown is increased to 45 seconds” you all started screaming like mad frothing dogs and completely missed the rest of the presentation, also for all we know, there could be things to counteract the nerf (which is justified IMO) by increasing damage on certain abilities, providing more effects or buffing some utilities to actually be useful.

The change mentioned for FMW was just a TEASER.

Who said we didn’t say that or know that they renormalized save yourself? We all know this. The save yourself is not even a buff and it’s just reverted back to what it used to be. It’s not game a changing buff or something we even cared for. Guards would love to not rely on shouts anyway like we have for the last 3 years.

If you think that shield change is a huge buff, you don’t play guard enough competitively to realize how it’s almost negligible. This is my issue with Anet. They make such minor changes that they don’t even realize the only big change guardian has had in 3 years, and I kid you not, 3 YEARS was feel my wrath and they already nerf it.

It literally has only been nerfs for 3 consecutive years besides them revamping trait lines, and even then we got potentially unintentional nerfs.

Let me explain the buffs and nerfs we’ve received:

1) spirit weapons were nerfed because people couldnt kill them? That killed spirit builds.
2) save yourself was nerfed
3) dodge roll heals were nerfed
4) sanctuary was bugged but fixed for the worst
5) retaliation was nerfed
6) purity was nerfed
7) glacial heart was introduced then secretly nerfed
8) our health pool diminished with recent patch as with no compensation
9) our vigor was nerfed
10) signets were always bad and most concentrations
11) feel my wrath already nerfed
12) tome of courage nerfed….
13) virtues range of use, nerfed……
I could keep going…..

As far as buffs that were even useful?
Mainly reduced cooldowns on things that were negligble, a buff to healing breeze, a stunbreaker finally on our stab(made no sense), and making only some skills not stationary.

What I’m getting at is those nerfs pretty much nerf the same build, excluding medi guard, we’ve been using for years. Without getting anything we’ve asked for for years including shrill changes. The good things we have all get nerfed dumbfoundedly in pvp.

I can somewhat see the justification for the nerf. It shared the shortest CD of all the shouts and is arguably the most powerful. 45 seems like an odd number though. Personally, around 40 would have been fine (32s traited). Most Guards will just go back to running RF anyways, most still run RF to begin with. Also, speaking of useless elites something really should be done with Signet of Courage. Healing interval is too long and with a 4.25 cast time; makes getting it off almost impossible. At least the Tome of Courage gave you stab (if traited), however, it also gave you protection and around 10k more hp, so you could get the skill off. Standard bunker guard has around 13.4k hp, there is no way in hell you are getting this full heal off; unless the enemy team is completely oblivious. With all that being said, the shield changes look to be nice and the normalization of SYS is great (should have happened years ago, but whatever, better late than never).