It took the guardian 3.5 seconds to down a glass cannon thief, and the engie 4 seconds to down the guardian.
The thief could have done the same damage in 0.5 seconds coming out of stealth. There’s just a tiny little difference there.
“We recognize that the changes to [ele] will essentially remove it from play. In the future,
we may consider whether or not there is an incarnation of [ele] that would be viable
but balanced. For now, we do not expect it to see serious use.” – ANet
Guard/Engie are fine… these video’s prove nothing… One thing that needs a nerf is shatter mesmer damage. Also the use of portals in tournaments is something that needs to be looked into.
Guard/Engie are fine… these video’s prove nothing… One thing that needs a nerf is shatter mesmer damage. Also the use of portals in tournaments is something that needs to be looked into.
Portal is fine. Shatter will be fine after bug fixes. But yes, currently it needs those bug fixes asap.
Don’t over nerf mesmers b/c of macro users and people who can’t dodge a root.
Guard/Engie are fine… these video’s prove nothing… One thing that needs a nerf is shatter mesmer damage. Also the use of portals in tournaments is something that needs to be looked into.
Portal is fine. Shatter will be fine after bug fixes. But yes, currently it needs those bug fixes asap.
Don’t over nerf mesmers b/c of macro users and people who can’t dodge a root.
I didn’t even realize this was a bug? Explain please?
This is probably the easiest glass cannon you could possibly fight…….
Guardian is easily the weakest class in terms of mobility, and weakest class when it comes to chasing (cripple/immobilize skills as well as gap closers)
Call me when this game gets fixed…. if it ever does….
I thought the OP was being sarcastic. Nobody would actually compare guardian and engie damage to thief with a straight face.
Not even on the internet, while their brain is dying from oxygen deprivation.
“We recognize that the changes to [ele] will essentially remove it from play. In the future,
we may consider whether or not there is an incarnation of [ele] that would be viable
but balanced. For now, we do not expect it to see serious use.” – ANet
I hope the quality of that Engi video was nerf’d by YouTube…just wow. I couldn’t even see the numbers.
If it ain’t 780p you might as well draw a picture, scan it and upload it.
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Guard/Engie are fine… these video’s prove nothing… One thing that needs a nerf is shatter mesmer damage. Also the use of portals in tournaments is something that needs to be looked into.
Portal is fine. Shatter will be fine after bug fixes. But yes, currently it needs those bug fixes asap.
Don’t over nerf mesmers b/c of macro users and people who can’t dodge a root.
hard to dodge a root when ur getting focused and multi root.
Good thing glass cannon Guardian is more trash than Warrior..
Zero mobility and chase-ability to back up that damage.
Is that a joke?
First: Who cares about chase ability in the game where the only mode available is about holding the point of the size of aoe? If you run and leave guardian on the point you are essentially ‘losing the game’ according to the point tally.
Second, and more importantly:
With GS and sword/x guardian has gap closer every 6 seconds on average (sword has teleport on 10s cd, and GS has it on 15s cd).
Add to that utility which teleports him to enemy (with 1200 range no less + significant dmg to enemy + instant / (on 45s cd 36s if traited) ).
Now let us address enemy who is about to die and trying to flee: If guardian saved his gap closers (as he should), he would have 3 to use pretty much one after another (one of them with 1200 range + significant dmg to finish off enemy).
Let us address kiting: Let us say thief is trying to kite him with sb: thief can do gap opener with sb on average about every 8s (6 ini to recover). So even if thief tried to waste all his ini on shorbow just to keep the gap open and kite dmging him with autoattacks, guardian can easily use his weapon cds to close the gap every time.
Where guardians lack is roaming mobility, but not mobility to finish of fleeing enemy.
It took the guardian 3.5 seconds to down a glass cannon thief, and the engie 4 seconds to down the guardian.
The thief could have done the same damage in 0.5 seconds coming out of stealth. There’s just a tiny little difference there.
Yeah, dps guardian cannot take you from 100%-0% in 0.5 sec like thief.
The thing is:
thief threatens to global you in 0.5sec with 45sec cooldown and it is single target dmg.
dps guardian threatens to global you in about 1.5 sec with about 6sec cooldown and it is aoe dmg, so it is touch and go/dodge when you fight them. You cannot stand next to them for long otherwise u get severely punished (lots of burning and aoe/tracking attacks), very annoying for melee.
I do a lot of 1v1. From my experience, against decent player, this is the degree of difficulty to win 1v1 deathmatch (strongest to weakest classes in the sense of how much effort I have to put to kill them):
1. Mesmer (prepatch tied with dps guardian and d/d ele; now with insta spike 100%-0% one has to be very careful)
2. DPS guard and d/d ele
3. Ranger, necro, granade engi
4. thief, warrior, tanky guard; non-granade engi
best thing is people complain about BACKSTAB, and thieves stealth, backstab, run away, seriously… they need to balance thief and increase damage output higher than that guardian.. and still more nerf nerf nerf, mesmers are the new thieves, elementalists are the new thieves, kitten #8230;
Second, and more importantly:
With GS and sword/x guardian has gap closer every 6 seconds on average (sword has teleport on 10s cd, and GS has it on 15s cd).
Add to that utility which teleports him to enemy (with 1200 range no less + significant dmg to enemy + instant / (on 45s cd 36s if traited) ).
Weapon swap timer is 10s, you can’t teleport every 6s by continually swapping between Sword and GS.
GS also bugs like crazy and will often leap you in the opposite direction to your target.
Judges Intervention does significant damage… does it? 266 damage and a 3s burn, err yeh seriously significant…
Funny how the “testing” is done on a static glass glass cannon thief… Hell, a critter have more defense/life than those.
Every single other profession in the game with a decent damage build could have wrecked that stationary thief as fast/faster than that.
The only decent damage build for guardians is greatsword (and this has been known since release so.. no news there!). And with zero mobility, weak defenses (which you get if you even try to go for a dmg build as guardian) and no great team utilities I would not count dmg guardians as a “hidden killer”. I am not expecting a buff, but not a nerf either.
I like how these kinds of threads pop up now and then. It’s like: Mesmer, warrior, ranger and thief is all broken, the Meta is still being formed and there is no true competetive PvP mode out there (I do not count a random tournament system as one, gief ranked matched and split queues already!) so the Meta can’t be forming as of now. Still people complain about one of the few classes that I personally consider being somewhat balanced.
/thread (just to be a dick, and copy the other posters who think that their opinion/post finishes the debate…)
I kittening knew it as I watched this video yesterday morning, not even 8 hours later I’m seeing guardians in TPVP rocking sigil of rage and whirling wrath lol
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