Guild Wars 2

I know, I know. Not another one of these threads! There’s a small difference here, I’m not complaining about playing against DHs or core guardians, or complaining about their traps or any of their mechanics. This is just my experience playing core guardian in sPvP. I decided to go in on a new guardian, without looking at skills or traits beforehand just to see how strong it is. Hell I really don’t even know what the virtues do except periodically apply burning and aegis.

Jesus does this class carry you hard! Like, insanely hard. I’m not even running the DH traitline (honestly have no idea what it gives you). I have played on mesmer a lot, not too much in PvP because I mainly PvE, but I have several hundred hours in the class (for me, that’s quite a bit). I am certainly not the best mesmer, but I do think I’m pretty good at the class, at least decent. In sPvP I would play mesmer and for me its honestly a bit of a crapshoot if I win matchups or not. Usually I can do pretty good solo, win or stalemate most fights, can usually get away if its going poorly. I really just struggle mainly in the teamfight scenarios.

Well, after all of the talk about guardians I decided to just play one in sPvP and see how playing that class really is. With absolutely no experience playing my guardian (he’s level 23 through tomes only), not even knowing what his skills do, I went into games and was able to perform better than I can on my mesmer by using skills as soon as they are off cooldown. Jesus kittening christ, I don’t even have to try and I am winning matchups on this class. Able to stalemate 1v3s for a decent amount of time, winning almost all of my 1v1s, downing and getting stomps in most of my 1v2s, by simply using skills as they are off cooldown. Hell if I cared enough to take 10 minutes and read through all of the traits and skills and come up with my own build instead of using what the PvP panel pre-selected for me I’m sure I could do even better with guardian. Its beyond ridiculous how hard this class carries people.

I seriously perform better on guardian without ever having played it before and using skills that I don’t know what they do as soon as they are off cooldown than I do on my mesmer that I have put hundreds of hours into.

This isn’t balance ANet. No class should be so much easier to play than others. I would be fine with this if other classes were this braindead and could carry as hard as guardians can, but this is beyond kittening ridiculous. Granted this is bronze division, but still its absolutely ridiculous that 1 class has such a low skill floor that you don’t even have to know what the skills are to be effective with it.

ANet, you really need to remove Guardians ability to carry players. Period

OriOri.8724:

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This isn’t balance ANet. No class should be so much easier to play than others. I would be fine with this if other classes were this braindead and could carry as hard as guardians can, but this is beyond kittening ridiculous. Granted this is bronze division, but still its absolutely ridiculous that 1 class has such a low skill floor that you don’t even have to know what the skills are to be effective with it.

ANet, you really need to remove Guardians ability to carry players. Period

And yet, Anet has done such a bad job of the game at this point that it is absolutely necessary. Or else most new people wouldn’t be able to get in the door, and absolutely none of them would be able to stay XD

If a new player picks the wrong class starting out in this game, you can count them as good as gone once they log out.

So your posting history where you debate guard/DH being op in almost every thread about it equates to not knowing anything about DH as you claim? Yep this is just another one of those threads. Smoke and bogus asking for nerfs.

Edit just to say:

Anything on this thread has been said before. I see 3-4 mod messages saying your message was removed due to the post being deleted. This thread can’t serve any further constructive argument and will also be locked eventually.

OriOri.8724:

I know, I know. Not another one of these threads! There’s a small difference here, I’m not complaining about playing against DHs or core guardians, or complaining about their traps or any of their mechanics. This is just my experience playing core guardian in sPvP. I decided to go in on a new guardian, without looking at skills or traits beforehand just to see how strong it is. Hell I really don’t even know what the virtues do except periodically apply burning and aegis.

Jesus does this class carry you hard! Like, insanely hard. I’m not even running the DH traitline (honestly have no idea what it gives you). I have played on mesmer a lot, not too much in PvP because I mainly PvE, but I have several hundred hours in the class (for me, that’s quite a bit). I am certainly not the best mesmer, but I do think I’m pretty good at the class, at least decent. In sPvP I would play mesmer and for me its honestly a bit of a crapshoot if I win matchups or not. Usually I can do pretty good solo, win or stalemate most fights, can usually get away if its going poorly. I really just struggle mainly in the teamfight scenarios.

Well, after all of the talk about guardians I decided to just play one in sPvP and see how playing that class really is. With absolutely no experience playing my guardian (he’s level 23 through tomes only), not even knowing what his skills do, I went into games and was able to perform better than I can on my mesmer by using skills as soon as they are off cooldown. Jesus kittening christ, I don’t even have to try and I am winning matchups on this class. Able to stalemate 1v3s for a decent amount of time, winning almost all of my 1v1s, downing and getting stomps in most of my 1v2s, by simply using skills as they are off cooldown. Hell if I cared enough to take 10 minutes and read through all of the traits and skills and come up with my own build instead of using what the PvP panel pre-selected for me I’m sure I could do even better with guardian. Its beyond ridiculous how hard this class carries people.

I seriously perform better on guardian without ever having played it before and using skills that I don’t know what they do as soon as they are off cooldown than I do on my mesmer that I have put hundreds of hours into.

This isn’t balance ANet. No class should be so much easier to play than others. I would be fine with this if other classes were this braindead and could carry as hard as guardians can, but this is beyond kittening ridiculous. Granted this is bronze division, but still its absolutely ridiculous that 1 class has such a low skill floor that you don’t even have to know what the skills are to be effective with it.

ANet, you really need to remove Guardians ability to carry players. Period

man you are talking about fighting nobodys. on my condi ranger even really good guards have trouble dealing with me guys like you i drops in less then 10 sec. try ranked bud see how long you last playing guard by just button smashing

Gwaihir.1745:

So your posting history where you debate guard/DH being op in almost every thread about it equates to not knowing anything about DH as you claim? Yep this is just another one of those threads. Smoke and bogus asking for nerfs.

Edit just to say:

Anything on this thread has been said before. I see 3-4 mod messages saying your message was removed due to the post being deleted. This thread can’t serve any further constructive argument and will also be locked eventually.

If I can be more effective on a guard without even reading the skill descriptions than I can on a class that I have hundreds of hours in, how can you not agree that guards are too easy to play?

OriOri.8724:

Granted this is bronze division

You should of started with this.

Guardians are easy to play because unlike several other professions, they have a very clear design concept. With the current meta build (longbow/sword+shield), it boils down to:

• sword/shield for melee combat and blocking
• longbow for AoE and ranged combat
• traps for bunkering

You do not have to manage (a) pet(s), there’s nothing to overload or shatter, not much of a rotation due to the lack of mobility. You have a clear role – defense – and a very simple set of tools for that role. This makes the profession so attractive especially for newcomers to PvP.

And if you’ve played a guardian for more than a handful of matches, you’ll also know how very limited this toolset is. You are slow, you have to rely on cooldowns, your stationary traps are a major part of your damage in a gamemode revolving around mobility. If there’s nothing to defend, you’re just an extra.

Many players playing Guardians / DHs is the logcial result of many players trying out a recently revamped game mode, and settling for the path of least resistance. Perhaps they’ll stick with their DHs, perhaps they’ll move on. You should be happy that there’s an influx of new players to begin with.

Shwyx.8190:

Guardians are easy to play because unlike several other professions, they have a very clear design concept. With the current meta build (longbow/sword+shield), it boils down to:

• sword/shield for melee combat and blocking
• longbow for AoE and ranged combat
• traps for bunkering

You do not have to manage (a) pet(s), there’s nothing to overload or shatter, not much of a rotation due to the lack of mobility. You have a clear role – defense – and a very simple set of tools for that role. This makes the profession so attractive especially for newcomers to PvP.

And if you’ve played a guardian for more than a handful of matches, you’ll also know how very limited this toolset is. You are slow, you have to rely on cooldowns, your stationary traps are a major part of your damage in a gamemode revolving around mobility. If there’s nothing to defend, you’re just an extra.

Many players playing Guardians / DHs is the logcial result of many players trying out a recently revamped game mode, and settling for the path of least resistance. Perhaps they’ll stick with their DHs, perhaps they’ll move on. You should be happy that there’s an influx of new players to begin with.

perfect explaination, the other class whith a so clear concept is thief , but they are based on speed of play that makes them more dificult, but in mid-low tiers is incredible the thief players that you see that are mechanical competent but have no idea of their job in game

I made a core guard and had success roaming on it. So much so that I made a lvl 51 Twink and was killing average players. It’s not hard to imagine DH free-casting from behind a block shield being difficult to play.

Yeah I’ve tried DH for the first time since HoT in PvP and i feel like i’m doing better on it than i’m doing on my mesmer which i’ve been maining since release.

Not only that, but I also find the playstyle extremely boring.

Pvp doesn’t balance around bronze tier for obvious reasons.

Gwaihir.1745:

Pvp doesn’t balance around bronze tier for obvious reasons.

It doesnt balance at all!

:D

True story.

Also you can pubstomp with any class in bronze, all you need to know is how to kite. Knowing the class doesn’t matter if your gameplay is solid.

I tried out a Mesmer for the first time, never played it before in my life…IT WAS EASIER THAN MY DRUID! I had no idea what I was doing, but yet I killed every target golem I saw without ever dying! Clearly Mesmer is OP, please nerf Anet.

Shwyx.8190:

Guardians are easy to play because unlike several other professions, they have a very clear design concept. With the current meta build (longbow/sword+shield), it boils down to:

• sword/shield for melee combat and blocking
• longbow for AoE and ranged combat
• traps for bunkering

You do not have to manage (a) pet(s), there’s nothing to overload or shatter, not much of a rotation due to the lack of mobility. You have a clear role – defense – and a very simple set of tools for that role. This makes the profession so attractive especially for newcomers to PvP.

And if you’ve played a guardian for more than a handful of matches, you’ll also know how very limited this toolset is. You are slow, you have to rely on cooldowns, your stationary traps are a major part of your damage in a gamemode revolving around mobility. If there’s nothing to defend, you’re just an extra.

Many players playing Guardians / DHs is the logcial result of many players trying out a recently revamped game mode, and settling for the path of least resistance. Perhaps they’ll stick with their DHs, perhaps they’ll move on. You should be happy that there’s an influx of new players to begin with.

I’m not running DH, I don’t use longbow or traps. I’m running a full guardian build, haven’t read the skill descriptions and still perform better than I did on my mesmer. That’s a pretty big balance problem, one that some people in this thread are very clearly overlooking. No class should be so much easier to play that you don’t even have to know what the skills do to be effective with it.

mesmer build and design for high skill cap players (like thief and even more)
master it and you can master all classes
your dmg isnt coming from you rather you “pets” which die faster than speed of light. so you must learn when to burst perfectly or else you lose your burst. when going to guard or any other class its becoming more easy to learn when to burst

necro with good support also is consider key smash spamm (again as long he got a babysitter)

engi after few match versus him he just smash reflect, daze, leap, and AA and rifle kit and heal skill blast. just daze the heal and he is on passive shrink mode

warrior the same hit him few time and he got nice 10 sec passive game mode

guard hit him few times and he lose all his block proc and heal and he is dead

ranger again same stupid rotation

learn all of them and you good to go.

now when you face good player its another story as it become more mind game, kite, stow weapon etc…

and also i try guard this season before i knew whats going to come. i back to core burn guard testing few build on solo ranked and got to gold . yes its easy but still you need some good rotations and play tactics which as any other class you must have.

Shaogin.2679:

OriOri.8724:

Granted this is bronze division

You should of started with this.

Actually that means nothing and only highlights the actual problems with the class

Azukas.1426:

Shaogin.2679:

OriOri.8724:

Granted this is bronze division

You should of started with this.

Actually that means nothing and only highlights the actual problems with the class

Actually saying “I smashed buttons and pwned bronze players” and saying “I smashed buttons and pwned platinum players” is saying two very different things, whether you want to believe so or not.

^ Strong plat builds are stronger in bronze. People getting pubstomped in bronze tier is natural selection.

trunks.5249:

OriOri.8724:

I know, I know. Not another one of these threads! There’s a small difference here, I’m not complaining about playing against DHs or core guardians, or complaining about their traps or any of their mechanics. This is just my experience playing core guardian in sPvP. I decided to go in on a new guardian, without looking at skills or traits beforehand just to see how strong it is. Hell I really don’t even know what the virtues do except periodically apply burning and aegis.

Jesus does this class carry you hard! Like, insanely hard. I’m not even running the DH traitline (honestly have no idea what it gives you). I have played on mesmer a lot, not too much in PvP because I mainly PvE, but I have several hundred hours in the class (for me, that’s quite a bit). I am certainly not the best mesmer, but I do think I’m pretty good at the class, at least decent. In sPvP I would play mesmer and for me its honestly a bit of a crapshoot if I win matchups or not. Usually I can do pretty good solo, win or stalemate most fights, can usually get away if its going poorly. I really just struggle mainly in the teamfight scenarios.

Well, after all of the talk about guardians I decided to just play one in sPvP and see how playing that class really is. With absolutely no experience playing my guardian (he’s level 23 through tomes only), not even knowing what his skills do, I went into games and was able to perform better than I can on my mesmer by using skills as soon as they are off cooldown. Jesus kittening christ, I don’t even have to try and I am winning matchups on this class. Able to stalemate 1v3s for a decent amount of time, winning almost all of my 1v1s, downing and getting stomps in most of my 1v2s, by simply using skills as they are off cooldown. Hell if I cared enough to take 10 minutes and read through all of the traits and skills and come up with my own build instead of using what the PvP panel pre-selected for me I’m sure I could do even better with guardian. Its beyond ridiculous how hard this class carries people.

I seriously perform better on guardian without ever having played it before and using skills that I don’t know what they do as soon as they are off cooldown than I do on my mesmer that I have put hundreds of hours into.

This isn’t balance ANet. No class should be so much easier to play than others. I would be fine with this if other classes were this braindead and could carry as hard as guardians can, but this is beyond kittening ridiculous. Granted this is bronze division, but still its absolutely ridiculous that 1 class has such a low skill floor that you don’t even have to know what the skills are to be effective with it.

ANet, you really need to remove Guardians ability to carry players. Period

man you are talking about fighting nobodys. on my condi ranger even really good guards have trouble dealing with me guys like you i drops in less then 10 sec. try ranked bud see how long you last playing guard by just button smashing

His point is still valid. Playing Guard and button smashing will carry you a long way. Getting good at the class will take you even further. Sure it ends at a point, but its pretty high up there for a low skill cap class.

Apparently if you don’t play thief mesmer or ele, your class carries you, and is immensely easy, and badly designed. Might as well make the game Mesmer, Thief and Ele, no soldier professions

@Lucentfir – Guardians for sure carry you hard. I tested it myself, I don’t know how else I could have tested the class’s ability to carry considering I didn’t even read what my skills or traits did beforehand, and used everything as soon as it was off CD. No timing, no actually trying to outplay people. Just positioning and hitting skills as soon as I could.

And to those people who say that “its just bronze, it doesn’t matter”, who cares if it is just bronze? This doesn’t change the point that guard carries way harder than it should. Anet should be balancing around the average skill level of the game instead of around the top. The average skill level is definitely not in the platinum tier, its gold at best, and more than likely its probably somewhere down in silver.

OriOri.8724:

@Lucentfir – Guardians for sure carry you hard. I tested it myself, I don’t know how else I could have tested the class’s ability to carry considering I didn’t even read what my skills or traits did beforehand, and used everything as soon as it was off CD. No timing, no actually trying to outplay people. Just positioning and hitting skills as soon as I could.

And to those people who say that “its just bronze, it doesn’t matter”, who cares if it is just bronze? This doesn’t change the point that guard carries way harder than it should. Anet should be balancing around the average skill level of the game instead of around the top. The average skill level is definitely not in the platinum tier, its gold at best, and more than likely its probably somewhere down in silver.

Have you tried playing against people that actually have a clue how to play? Normally I’ll look into post thoroughly but this thread seems like -Oh it’s not my class, i played it without looking at skills and facerolled players that don’t have a clue how to play. So it’s OP AND BROKEN!" Granted they buffed core guard a bit s it’s a bit better, espcially for burn guards. Though the real problem here is stats, you’re complaining about guardian because it’s strong in a glass meta with active defenses, but totally ignore the fact other classes scale much better with appropriate stats. Having maruader’s amulet in game adds a lot of extra comfort and breathing room to classes with low health pools aka guardian thief. Go give classes like necro, mesmer warrior and such the dire equivalent and they’re just as easy to play with all that extra cushion. Though go ahead and keep preaching how broken guardian is base and DH. I’ll stand by with the removal of marauder’s Amulet considering it’s giving too much of a survivability advantage to power classes in general

Heavy hitting AoEs…AoEs linger too long…easily rotate-able AoEs…constant stream of massive area of denial…passives out the kitten (not a problem with this class only)…blocks out the kitten …heals out the kitten …

I think I covered a lot of it already.

You should note that most all guardian passives are nerfed versions of the original. Unlike a lot of other passives in the game.

Gwaihir.1745:

You should note that most all guardian passives are nerfed versions of the original. Unlike a lot of other passives in the game.

and yet….