Could we get a dedicated GvG Deathmatch Arena with spectators and it’s own ranking system.
The WvW community has been asking for this type of arena since forever in the WvW forum but I believe they are not asking at the right place. GvG is sPvP deathmatch with more players so it seem fitting to ask it to the team that create all the PvP arenas in the game.
20vs20 people hammering at each other in a blob of particle effects. The only way people could even have a clue wat is happening is from spectating a players pov and even then most of the micro goes lost, so I don’t see the reason why it should have spectator or even leaderboards as it’s totally not competitive.
20vs20 people hammering at each other in a blob of particle effects. The only way people could even have a clue wat is happening is from spectating a players pov and even then most of the micro goes lost, so I don’t see the reason why it should have spectator or even leaderboards as it’s totally not competitive.
Sorry but you are wrong if you think there is no strategy or player skill. The strength of a GvG are not the individual player alone but how they play together. Group coordination, strategy and player placements are more important than trying to duel 1 specific players.
If you would take the time to watch video you would realize that it is more complex than you think.
it hurts my soul when i read wvw and gvg in the same sentence.
dear op who doesn’t know of the long lost art of guild wars gvg, watch and learn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFWvdyCk1Uo
20vs20 people hammering at each other in a blob of particle effects. The only way people could even have a clue wat is happening is from spectating a players pov and even then most of the micro goes lost, so I don’t see the reason why it should have spectator or even leaderboards as it’s totally not competitive.
Sorry but you are wrong if you think there is no strategy or player skill. The strength of a GvG are not the individual player alone but how they play together. Group coordination, strategy and player placements are more important than trying to duel 1 specific players.
If you would take the time to watch video you would realize that it is more complex than you think.
Where did I say that it doesn’t require strategy or skill? I’ve played in a handfull ‘gvgs’ (if you can even call it that) myself btw. All I said is that it is not spectator friendly or competitive so no reason for spectator mode or leaderboards.
I’m all for adding little fun gamemodes to the game to spice things up. However forcing them to be competitive when they’re not will just divide an already small community.
Now you’re just being foolish. WvW guilds have people join and leave on a weekly basis, because synergy isn’t that important of a factor. While in tpvp a sub no matter how good he is the team will struggle, because he doesn’t know the rotations or doesn’t have good synergy with the team.
Blame Anet for not putting in a real pvp, let alone GvG.
About “WvWGvG” the thing is simple: there are 2 guild group killing each other. GvG. Don’t remain attached to the meaning of the term in Gw1 – it sounds like blasphemy but you know, the whole Gw2 pvp is compared to Gw1.
About this:
-it’s done in wvw for a reason. Unless the arena lets players use pve gear, then makes no sense (shows how little you know about it yet claim to make the threads “in the right section”. Hint: spvp is the wrong one)
-it’s a deathmatch because that’s the best you can achieve to organize w/o any game/dev side tool. Guilds don’t play this group slaughter cause they think it’s the top of pvp – they do cause if you despite conquest (ps: it’s crap) and want more than 4 team mates (huge group play), wvw it’s all there is, and in wvw a deathmatch is the best you can hope to do.
Ultimately, it’s just Anet fault not being able or willing to give us a real pvp with guild involvement.
Oh, and just saying, nothing in Gw2 has real “team work”, neither spvp or tpvp or wvw or gvg – compared to Gw1, they ALL lose by a LONG shot.
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2 team of 15-20 players bashing on each other and 1 of them winning for some reason.
Other players like to watch it too strangely so this is why it needs spectator.
That’s funny, the moment you put 15-20 players bashing… you lost the whole PvP community. You know why? Even 5v5 in tpvp is sucking, you cant even see what’s going on most of the time. Let alone you want to have 15-20 people, LOL.
GvG is about a group of elite class of players that know how to work together to succeed in getting the objective. Heck, even Team Arena in GW1 was better than your “GvG” idea, and that was only 4v4.
believe it or not there is more team work in the actual wvw than tpvp, well if you are in a guild that actually wvw lol
Lol. No. Not at all. Not even close.
by saying im figthing 2 dudes at home or saying “u guys got stab” to stomp ppl is not team work, in wvw actually there is. im not talking out my kitten i have played lots and lots of tournaments and i been in teams and stuff, and i have a lot of hours in wvw either being a small group roaming or a semi zerg helping the main zerg. wvw its not like it was a few months ago its way more organized. (obviuosly if u follow the pug commander its gona be a piece of kitten )
believe it or not there is more team work in the actual wvw than tpvp, well if you are in a guild that actually wvw lol
Lol. No. Not at all. Not even close.
by saying im figthing 2 dudes at home or saying “u guys got stab” to stomp ppl is not team work
And that’s not even close to what tPvP is all about. Again, learn something about the game mode before trying to comment on it.
Can you explain me how team work is in tpvp other than that? becouse for me its a communication game and map awareness and spam stuff just like in wvw. like i said i got like 2k tournies, played with teams with good ppl with bad ppl i know what im talking about. And its really sad to say that world versus world has more team play than tpvp and they cant even show how “good” they are.
oh man cant believe ppl think wvw GvG in gw2 is competive and has something to do with skill
combat in gw2 is all about animations and skilleffects you see on your target and this alone make fights with 4+ or more ppl just a spamfest andh as nothing to do with individual skill anymore
GvG in gw2 is all about op-builds and exploiting op-mechanics like old confusion or buff food and so on and spamming all the crap on your comander while he do the movement for everyone
a bot could do it and “GvG = competive” will never work in gw2
now you play the “lil joe wanna have his candy” card
Wat.
Point is that trashing the only 5+ player pvp, w/o any capturing points crap, which is in a very embrional state (you know, no tools from game/anet part. lucky that there’s a place large enough for it already) with the “It’s not worth it cause GvG in Gw1 was better” makes 0 sense, first cause “GvG” is just a name (2 guilds teams killing each other → gvg name, nothing meant to regard Gw1 GvG), second cause the lowest pvp of Gw1 is better than everything in Gw2 already (yes, even the precious tpvp which is going to be at PAX).
If you’ve ran out of arguments that’s your problem, no need to make those ridicolous posts.
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@Romek.4201 Obviously you have no clue what is going on in a GvG. Go run a bot chain and try to GvG a guild. There is no point to discuss it with you. You were a kittenty commander on Elona and don’t even knew how to lead in combat. So it’s a debatable point whether you even know what is really going on in a fight between 2 guilds.
@all sPvP guys Stop starting a discussion about GW2 GvG at a complete wrong point.
It is GW2 and not GW1. I had much better clan fights in Counter Strike 1.6! So what?! It’s another game… so Gw1 is.
to the point wheter GW2 GvG is competetive or not…imho I see much more competetive guilds in WvW than in sPvP.
@Romek.4201 Obviously you have no clue what is going on in a GvG. Go run a bot chain and try to GvG a guild. There is no point to discuss it with you. You were a kittenty commander on Elona and don’t even knew how to lead in combat. So it’s a debatable point whether you even know what is really going on in a fight between 2 guilds.
@all sPvP guys Stop starting a discussion about GW2 GvG at a complete wrong point.
It is GW2 and not GW1. I had much better clan fights in Counter Strike 1.6! So what?! It’s another game… so Gw1 is.
to the point wheter GW2 GvG is competetive or not…imho I see much more competetive guilds in WvW than in sPvP.
20v20 gvg will be too much it will have to much aoe effects and ppl with slow pc’s will suffer a lot. 8v8 gvg will be good max 10v10 with 20v20 its just a massacre nobody will know what’s going on. In 10v10 gvg you will have the men power to use tactics and have an effective team.
Gvg should be on 3-4 maps one of which is the guild hall
I like the idea of 15 or 20 vs. 20 sort of a Braveheart type battle, meeting in a valley to duke it out. Unfortunately what I have seen so far, is a bunch of people on top of each other, stacking buffs and what not. A clusterpuppy.
it hurts my soul when i read wvw and gvg in the same sentence.
dear op who doesn’t know of the long lost art of guild wars gvg, watch and learn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFWvdyCk1Uo
OMG milo. Epic match there. Yes, I agree with you. I hate hearing WvW and GvG in the same sentence. Clueless they are.
Anet has a history from GW1 of taking what players invented and incorporating it into the game (Dragon Arena). Whether you dislike the term GvG for 15v15 or 20v20 in GW2 is irrelevent because there is an ever increasing number of players/guilds that are getting organized outside of GW2 to set up and maintain a GvG.
Anet has some choices here.
Change WvW to bring the GvG crowd back into the “main” game.
Make a separate GvG area and hope that WvW survives.
Leave things as they are and hope the GvG players don’t leave GW2.
Change WvW to bring the GvG crowd back into the “main” game.
- WvW changes are made with the mindset of sieging points in mind, won’t happen.
Make a separate GvG area and hope that WvW survives.
- Any semi-hardcore guild that is in WvW every day has at least a little interest in GvG, if all of the main gvg guilds stopped playing WvW, it wouldn’t die but there would be an even bigger gap between servers.
Leave things as they are and hope the GvG players don’t leave GW2.
- Sadly this is what will probably happen. There are a lot of game set to come out, all with better open field, open world PvP than GW2.
Edited my responses next to yours.
sPvP arena is no where NEAR GvG, please don’t suggest putting it in there and if you do, you have no idea what you are talking about. Come watch some gvgs and see what they are all about
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2 things a 20v20 GvG will have that 5v5 PvP will never have.
A better chance for every profession to participate.
A better chance for a variety of team composition and builds.
I’d add a 3rd:
A monkey can participate and be successful.
If you feel that way, why don’t you form a tPvP team…scrim a top tier team with your top tier WvW team and see who wins. I can set this up. Hit me ingame.
2 things a 20v20 GvG will have that 5v5 PvP will never have.
A better chance for every profession to participate.
A better chance for a variety of team composition and builds.
I’d add a 3rd:
A monkey can participate and be successful.
If you feel that way, why don’t you form a tPvP team…scrim a top tier team with your top tier WvW team and see who wins. I can set this up. Hit me ingame.
You want a 5v20 in non-existing PvE gear or…?
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Change WvW to bring the GvG crowd back into the “main” game.
- WvW changes are made with the mindset of sieging points in mind, won’t happen.
Make a separate GvG area and hope that WvW survives.
- Any semi-hardcore guild that is in WvW every day has at least a little interest in GvG, if all of the main gvg guilds stopped playing WvW, it wouldn’t die but there would be an even bigger gap between servers.
Leave things as they are and hope the GvG players don’t leave GW2.
- Sadly this is what will probably happen. There are a lot of game set to come out, all with better open field, open world PvP than GW2.
Edited my responses next to yours.
sPvP arena is no where NEAR GvG, please don’t suggest putting it in there and if you do, you have no idea what you are talking about. Come watch some gvgs and see what they are all about
However, in order for there to be GvG ranking, you will need to be able to go up against anyone at any time, which isn’t possible with the current WvW 3 server matchups. Even though GvG has started inside WvW, it will have to move to PvP to grow.
2 things a 20v20 GvG will have that 5v5 PvP will never have.
A better chance for every profession to participate.
A better chance for a variety of team composition and builds.
I’d add a 3rd:
A monkey can participate and be successful.
If you feel that way, why don’t you form a tPvP team…scrim a top tier team with your top tier WvW team and see who wins. I can set this up. Hit me ingame.
Wait.. did you realize that we are both on the ’GvG belong to PvP and what they are doing is ZvZ" side or am i wrong?
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Change WvW to bring the GvG crowd back into the “main” game.
- WvW changes are made with the mindset of sieging points in mind, won’t happen.
Make a separate GvG area and hope that WvW survives.
- Any semi-hardcore guild that is in WvW every day has at least a little interest in GvG, if all of the main gvg guilds stopped playing WvW, it wouldn’t die but there would be an even bigger gap between servers.
Leave things as they are and hope the GvG players don’t leave GW2.- Sadly this is what will probably happen. There are a lot of game set to come out, all with better open field, open world PvP than GW2.
Edited my responses next to yours.
sPvP arena is no where NEAR GvG, please don’t suggest putting it in there and if you do, you have no idea what you are talking about. Come watch some gvgs and see what they are all about
However, in order for there to be GvG ranking, you will need to be able to go up against anyone at any time, which isn’t possible with the current WvW 3 server matchups. Even though GvG has started inside WvW, it will have to move to PvP to grow.
I agree. My point was meant to say: gvg can not reside in the current spvp arenas, sorry about any miscommunication.
If sPvP and WvW had a baby, it’d be GvG. Take the best of both worlds. Structured but open field and with set rules.
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