Guild Wars 2

My game crashed and I get back in within 35-45 seconds, maybe even less! and I have a Dishonor time out even though i got back in the match and finished it full and through.

What system is going to in placed to prevent us to not be dishonored in situations stated above? Countless of others and I could sometimes may have their games crash or internet disconnect.

Given the time isn’t that long.. like 8 mins? I may sound a little qq’ing .. and I guess people could say just take it for the greater good, this is still my 2c’s. and so. We shouldn’t be punished over something we completely have no control of.

(Idea) If a player actually comes back to the match within an minute to a minute and a half and finishes the game (proven by not standing still x amount of seconds) fully.

dishonor should not be applied.

Once a game has started, there is a grace period of disconnect time before getting dishonor. Just to try an clarify with what was stated on patch notes. I disconected within about 1 minute to almost 2.
(from what i can remember which was about 15 mins ago)

Same here: game crashed to desktop and I received 15 minutes dishonor. I logged back in and re-entered the match as quickly as possible. No matter.

Fix your CTD bugs before slapping dishonor on me, Anet.

Considering how EVERY patch in this game is followed by another “Fixed a server crash” and “Fixed a client crash” patch right after, it really is unacceptable that they slap dishonor on people who d/c or crash and return. Stabilize your kittening game first.

my game crashed several times this evening (with really weird bugs). Crashed once in a sPvP game, didn’t get dishonored luckily ! But yeah +1 Photinous.4628

This was raised on previous threads. There was a stated grace period to account for DCs. Based on your stated time that would seem reasonable. If you were able to get back in and finish the match that the DC occurred on, when did it hit you with the debuff? After the match? Did you submit a bug report as well?

Could be worse, Valve makes you win 3 games with the most toxic players in existence for a disconnect. People have taken up to 10 hours of play to get out of that.

What is the grace period set to right now? Still 60s?

Should be percent based off the total match time missed. Like 20% or something.

I hope it stacks exponentially because 15 min is nothing…

There’s no middle ground in this game.

They’re either too militant and punitive or /shrug, not give a darn

But imposing dishonor is still better than nothing.

Evan Lesh.3295:

The grace period is adjustable, and is there to account for restarting the game and hopping back in. We can change the grace period to be longer if we see that it is not long enough to account for the majority of people reentering the game.

The dishonor also applies immediately, so if you d/c and come back to play early, you’ll have worked off some of the timeout by the end of the match.

Thank you for the quick feedback! The grace period can definitely be averaged out with the help of the community giving some feedback with times how i did.

Dishonor for not accepting Qpop is going to stay no matter what or is susceptible to change?

Evan Lesh.3295:

Prisoner.2419:

What is the grace period set to right now? Still 60s?

Correct, it is currently set to 60 seconds.

Without SSD, its 40second just to login and get into mists, I assume that as soon as you see the second loading screen for you map, youre technically in and counter stops.

First, is there a way to skip the HOTM loading screen in future?

Second, it seems pretty tight timer, I will assume you will get A LOT of dishonors hapening with 60-90s frame.
I know the timer starts not when your screen freezes but when youre actually kicked out of map aka you see character select, still 15-20s seems too much like playing an action movie to get back into game, all ofc while other internet stuff is working

90s total, aka 40-50s of space to maneuver seems fairer.
In top tier, a dc = 100 points and at least 2cap position, so you will 99% lose the match anyway,
the only point is to not have trolls unpunished and to at least get some gameplay out of the lost match.

Also soloQ and que at least from duel/hotjoin servers

I’ve few times failed to accept join request, when que popped.
I had two DCs where I think I was back faster than in one minute (1sec desynch->client reload->rejoin), then after winning a match I’ve found ~26 dishonor penalty.

Could we have:
a) penalty for “not accepting” removed
b) grace a bit longer for DCs or working at all?

Evan Lesh.3295:

The grace period is adjustable, and is there to account for restarting the game and hopping back in. We can change the grace period to be longer if we see that it is not long enough to account for the majority of people reentering the game.

The dishonor also applies immediately, so if you d/c and come back to play early, you’ll have worked off some of the timeout by the end of the match.

I received a Dishonor timeout when my game crashed BEFORE a match was even created(although it was only about 10 mins, but still..). I was still in queue waiting. Please fix this broken system. You should only receive a timeout for disconnecting and not returning after a few minutes. The timer should never start immediately. It just doesn’t make sense.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Ara.4569:

I hope it stacks exponentially because 15 min is nothing…

The 15 minute timeout is for the first offense. The dishonor lingers on your account for much much longer, resulting in a longer timeout if you abandon another match.

Since you’re answering in this thread and not the other one about the dishonor system. There is the related issue that the time for accepting a match is too short and now if we go for a bio break or even just to get a drink we risk getting a dishonor for 15 mins. Is it considered reasonable we sit glued to the computer for however long a queue takes without leaving the computer at all? Even if the queue is long?

Evan Lesh.3295:

morrolan.9608:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Ara.4569:

I hope it stacks exponentially because 15 min is nothing…

The 15 minute timeout is for the first offense. The dishonor lingers on your account for much much longer, resulting in a longer timeout if you abandon another match.

Since you’re answering in this thread and not the other one about the dishonor system. There is the related issue that the time for accepting a match is too short and now if we go for a bio break or even just to get a drink we risk getting a dishonor for 15 mins. Is it considered reasonable we sit glued to the computer for however long a queue takes without leaving the computer at all? Even if the queue is long?

Missing match accept only gives a 3 minute timeout unless you’ve recently gotten dishonor.

That is much more reasonable than what I had thought, thanks for the clarification.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Prisoner.2419:

What is the grace period set to right now? Still 60s?

Correct, it is currently set to 60 seconds.

Evan,

I actually feel 60 seconds is way to short. 3 Minutes would be a solid number as it would account for rage quitters in addition afk players. Unless it is a close match 3 minutes won’t make or break the win.

The load time on a map can be lengthy depending on server response time and well a user’s own computer specs. Would also account for new builds that occur during pvp matches. Also resolves the off chance of a new build being released during a pvp match in which the person crashes and automatically has to wait on a download.

Flumek.9043:

First, is there a way to skip the HOTM loading screen in future?

That would be a nice quality of life and, I believe, not requiring serious coding time (like just moving a check ahead).

Does this Dishonour system also work for AFK’ers? Like when people AFK cause the team is losing a match and thus has given up? It’s so kittening annoying when they give up like halfway in the match and ruin the gaming experience for everybody.

just give me /resign commands please… I know game stability is big pile of s. and my internet connection is not better. There is just no point in playing pvp risking dishonor if i dc or game crashes(happens 3/4times a day) simply stop playing pvp go have fun with raids till you see 2nd patchnote: fixed game crash… Before is not worth risk guys.

My 2 friends and I were in Queue it popped. We all clicked Accept and then it must have bugged out or something and requeue’d up. Then it it suddenly said I was out of the queue and when I went to requeue it said I have dishonor. Anyone else get this issue?

Akumu.7238:

Evan Lesh.3295:

The grace period is adjustable, and is there to account for restarting the game and hopping back in. We can change the grace period to be longer if we see that it is not long enough to account for the majority of people reentering the game.

The dishonor also applies immediately, so if you d/c and come back to play early, you’ll have worked off some of the timeout by the end of the match.

I received a Dishonor timeout when my game crashed BEFORE a match was even created(although it was only about 10 mins, but still..). I was still in queue waiting. Please fix this broken system. You should only receive a timeout for disconnecting and not returning after a few minutes. The timer should never start immediately. It just doesn’t make sense.

You shouldn’t worry. Considering queue times you’re only waiting the regular duration for your next match anyway :p

I just got dishonor when my power went out. The really ironic thing is that I not only came back to the game, but my team proceeded to win said game. Is there any way to make the system a bit.. smarter?

On a somewhat related note about dc’s. Why do we on login always load into hotm first? That’s another long loading screen when you want to get back into a running match. With that being the case I can’t imagine getting back into a match in under one minute ever. This one loading screen takes almost half the time to get back in on its own.

60 sec? lel… it takes me 2min 30 to restart the game and come back in (loading screen and slow game start after a crash…)

60 sec is a little excessive … 15 min was way too much … (fix it to 5min)

Nath Forge Tempete.1645:

60 sec? lel… it takes me 2min 30 to restart the game and come back in (loading screen and slow game start after a crash…)

60 sec is a little excessive … 15 min was way too much … (fix it to 5min)

Maybe make dishonor 3-5 times the time missed or something.

I mean … when the game crashes… to be able to restart it … u have to wait more than 60 before the launcher starts (on my 4 yo PC) so it basically stupid to make dishonored grace at 60 sec =/

5 min seems fair enough

What happens if I DC/leave the Match shortly before it’s over (the match ends in like 40 seconds) and only log back after the match is over? Does the system know I only DC’d for the grace period?

Evan Lesh.3295:

The 15 minute timeout is for the first offense. The dishonor lingers on your account for much much longer, resulting in a longer timeout if you abandon another match.

Could you give more information about
—how long dishonor lingers
—how long the timeout can increase with dishonor
,please?

Game crashed, opened the client fast again, logged in, game opened, selected the char again and clicked play, then the game loaded heart of the mist, then loaded the legacy of foe fire….. finished the match…. i get a 12 min dishonor! really?? people get random dc or game crash, and you expect us to comeback to the match in less than 1 min? people that comeback and finish the game should not get dishonor, why would i want to close my client and then comeback fast intentionally? to lose? does not make any sense…

Locking out a free player for a bug in your game (e.g. crashes) is your call, but will whittle away your player base. Locking out a paying customer for no fault of their own is just wrong.

Trybil.1567:

Locking out a free player for a bug in your game (e.g. crashes) is your call, but will whittle away your player base. Locking out a paying customer for no fault of their own is just wrong.

If you have so much problems with your internet connection stop queing. And stop thinking only about yourself. I don’t want to to be penalized with a 5v4 match because of you and I don’t care whether you think its your fault or not you are hurting 9 other people. I can honeslty say I have a disconnect from the game like once every 100 matches. Stop playing on a toaster with a 56k modem. If A-net wants to cut down on 5v4 matches they have to be ruthless. I think a 90 second grace period would be better but besides that its perfect the way it is imo.

I think a 2m grace period is good. 1m like right now is too short. I have a good computer with an OC 4.9GHz cpu, and 1TB SSD, and it still take me ~40s to go from a full restart to back into the game. I can imagine most people would take longer than that.

On the other hand:

• please fix it so that launching gw2 while you’re in a match loads directly to the match instead of having the 2 map loads through HotM.

Right now I am afraid to PvP. My computer is new and has a random crashing problem. (sometimes happen twice in one day sometimes doesnt happen at all). Anyhow I have not PvPed due to the dishonor system timer because when the freeze happens I have to do a full shutdown and restart. This will sometimes take more then 60 seconds.

I am playing other aspects of the game as the freezing problem is not severe and I think its a driver update conflict but has not resolved yet. In the end I would really like to PvP but I cant chance getting stacks of dishonor for this reason.

Nightshade.2570:

Right now I am afraid to PvP. My computer is new and has a random crashing problem. (sometimes happen twice in one day sometimes doesnt happen at all). Anyhow I have not PvPed due to the dishonor system timer because when the freeze happens I have to do a full shutdown and restart. This will sometimes take more then 60 seconds.

I am playing other aspects of the game as the freezing problem is not severe and I think its a driver update conflict but has not resolved yet. In the end I would really like to PvP but I cant chance getting stacks of dishonor for this reason.

I don’t think it would be a good thing for all of the people you would be playing with if you would crash mid-match and effectively ruin it, knowing that your computer is unstable. I understand you want to PvP, but it sounds like you should work on fixing your computer first.

The grace period should be 2 or 3 minutes. 1 is rushing it a bit. Often times even the process of crashing can take 30 seconds because of the send report to Anet stuff takes so long.

I get that the dishonor system may be reasonable but 36 minutes of dishonor because of DCs you cannot help and then taking a while to load maps. This thing should be fixed so that the dishonor doesn’t stack.

I did some tests. I simulated being disconnected and reconnected again. I had to close and reopen the client since the client hangs to a black screen. It took me more than 60 seconds to get back into the game (about 62 to 65 seconds). I have an PC with an Intel i7-3770k and NVidia GTX 680, but the thing that made the reconnection longer was my connection speed. My average latency is around 250 ms. Another problem I think is it loads me to the Heart of the Mists map first, then to the PvP map itself. Sixty seconds is cutting it too close. Maybe increase the timer to 90 seconds, or even 120 seconds. I don’t agree with a 180 second timer though, but if you were able to reconnect, the dishonor time length should be based on whether the team won, and how many points the player contributed to the game. And also please revamp your point system, give points to those who defend points, please.

Just logged in and queued for match. Match starts, all players stay for entire match. Ggs given. Return to hotm and go to queue again. Nope I have 3mins dishonor.

3 mins no big deal (though I didn’t dc). But the debuff will stay and if it happens again they will stack. ????

Why the random dishonor?

shag.3415:

Just logged in and queued for match. Match starts, all players stay for entire match. Ggs given. Return to hotm and go to queue again. Nope I have 3mins dishonor.

3 mins no big deal (though I didn’t dc). But the debuff will stay and if it happens again they will stack. ????

Why the random dishonor?

Did you cancel the match-ready dialog once?

That doesn’t make any sense though, as you were actually in the game, and devs said dishonor also ticks down while playing. Also, if you would get dishonor because of the cancel, you wouldn’t have been able to play the match.

Seems like a bug to me, better report it.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Prisoner.2419:

What is the grace period set to right now? Still 60s?

Correct, it is currently set to 60 seconds.

Is anyone in Australia with a 300+ ping able to log in and load all the loading screens to be back in the game within 60 seconds?

Mine can’t :-(

Aye, I’ve just experienced it. I was playing all nice and chill on stronghold (stable internet connection for me so…yeah) and I got a DC to character selection screen (though sometimes it DC’s and crashes to desktop).
I ain’t got a beast, just a decent asus laptop that gets the job done just fine but it can’t rush through 2 loading screens in under a minute.

This dishonor system is pretty messed up. I don’t play with a solid internet connection. I have to tether my laptop to my phone because internet in a military barracks is worthless. My phone’s internet will probably D/C once every 5 games or so? I always come back into the game and finish it out. I dont think anyone should get a dishonor if they reconnect and finish the fight.

im suffering big time with the dishonor system to the point I wont be playing much anymore.