Guild Wars 2

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I don’t get it… why do (some) people seem to want the survivability of soldiers/valkyrie while using zerkers?
Same thing with people who expect to have all condi clears while keeping their normal utility utilities for other things?
Why isn’t there a physical immunity damage trait similar to automated response, diamond skin?
Why do people think a passive heal is worse(especially inbetween cc and immunities) vs burst than a active heal that can get interrupted and is also affected by poison?
confused

I play engi/mesmer(still learning) and used to play warrior before it got buffed into complete braindead mode

not sure what you are talking about.
warrior is balanced fine and dandy.

Im on your side. Whichever it is.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

not sure what you are talking about.
warrior is balanced fine and dandy.

Isn’t it about time you crawl back to your kennel @trollville.com?

At OP, because the game is pve.

@deimos

can you stop post your “i am casual and have a right to be bad so let me plz faceroll more” crap in all threads? Its not even funny or something.

Warrior is total broken and have to be fixed and it is very bad we have to wait so long for it

no, as long as i post politely in here, i will continue to voice out my opinions as a casual player.

thank you.

@Romek
i can accept some slight decrease to the healing signet’s base healing and an increase to the healing power bonus, but most of the people who proposed have asked for healing signet to be reverted back to the original state.

that is absurd.

@KarlaGrey
if you want me off the sPvP forums.
you need to provoke me real hard such that i post words or sentences etc that may score me many forum infraction points such that my forum posting rights is suspended for good.

you need to try much harder.

until then, good day!

I actully don’t want healing signet to be reverted to it’s old state, i want it to have less passive healing and some interesting active that you really want to use in certain situations so binding the healing key is worth it again

Vuh.1328:

I actully don’t want healing signet to be reverted to it’s old state, i want it to have less passive healing and some interesting active that you really want to use in certain situations so binding the healing key is worth it again

“Signet. You gain 82…154…172 Health. You have -40 armor while using this skill. "

Adjust the numbers to GW2 scenario, and viola.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

@KarlaGrey
if you want me off the sPvP forums.
you need to provoke me real hard such that i post words or sentences etc that may score me many forum infraction points such that my forum posting rights is suspended for good.

Well, I’m sure you were the sole reason Anet removed ‘troll’ from the list of censored expressions.
For that, I thank you.
Besides, no one said I wanted you off the forums. After all, you ARE doing at least one more useful thing next to providing circus services free-off-charge.

Get some sleep, Vuh.

Dear Vuh,
Go to bed, playing soloq for so long is not good for your mental stability <3

Answer to question(s): Illogical complaints/demands like you posted above are proposed by people whom are frustrated with their inability to compete with players better then them. Reason is what makes good balance, and reason is what allot of people lack when they come to these forums to express their frustration. They simply do not have the Christmas balls to face the truth that comes from reason.

Deimos: As someone who acknowledges himself as a casual why do you think your opinion about balance is wanted? Do you understand that balance is of importance for people like Vuh, me and other people that try to play this game “competitive”? You are free to have your opinion but sometimes its better to not express it.

@RaZaC
because the number of casual warriors players outnumber the competitive players by a lot.

guild wars 2 is a casual game.

and yes my opinions will make a difference.

In solo queue do NOT play more if u lose 2 or 3 games in a row. I advice you, it will put u in the same spot. Stop playing and come back next day and try again.
This is NOT a good game to play alone and u will get kitten ed off fast and win nothing.

This is NOT sc2 where u can rely in a 50% chance to win and lose, here probably because of the playerbase, its a lot more variable and u can lose 8 games in a row, and obviously u will get angry, nobody likes that, nobody likes to lose 8 times and not advance, and more important. Do NOT try to be smart and use anything that requires skill like an ele, play the fotm builds that autoplay for you (engi is pretty good, warrior, hunter spirits, etc.) u will get even more angry, even more when the people of ur team will whisp you to “thank you” for using an ele instead of a warrior (ive reported 7 guys in 3 days for that because i happened to play an ele some games).

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

@RaZaC
because the number of casual warriors players outnumber the competitive players by a lot.

guild wars 2 is a casual game.

and yes my opinions will make a difference.

How can you possible use the fact that there are more bad players as a reason for the game to be dumbed down? In all games there are more bad player then good players (LoL, DOTA, SC2 etc.) thats like the worst reason for a game to be dumbed down.

And no your opinion will definitely not make a difference unless you are talking about someones mood because your making a clown of yourself.

The only thing that its exclusive to warriors (mesmer signet its very close) its this sentence:

“Why do people think a passive heal is worse(especially inbetween cc and immunities) vs burst than a active heal that can get interrupted and is also affected by poison?”

1) Because HS its also afected by poison.

2) If you dodge, evade, port, stunbreak that CC you will still be able to damage that warrior. Not talking about blinds here because the warrior can have BS up. But just wait 8 seconds (most of them already passed in that time).

3) If a warrior receive a burst attack activating Healing signet its useless. Low hp gain and no passive healing for 16/20 seconds. Thats the main reason for no one ever uses active HS.

Now go to sleep…

And dont forget that you can still play Hardmode warrior. Go berserker without defensive stances / traits (even with less damage than in the beginning) and enjoy. (or not).

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

not sure what you are talking about.
warrior is balanced fine and dandy.

What are you, CASUL?

I’m a Dark Souls fan. That means two things:

1) I can’t stand magic spamming.
2) I can’t stand backstabs (For these 2 points, only DkS PvP players will understand)
3) I want a challenge.

That means my favorite class will be a warrior. BUT I want them to be hard. And deep. And complex.

If they want a CASUL-Friendly class, they’ll either need to chose another, or split warrior in 2, like they meant at first (warrior and juggernaut). If they do the latter, please be the juggernaut the harder to play. That’s because the name Juggernaut is cool, and you can get better by watching this video:

Offensive guardian is the hard made warrior. Or kitten warrior, ineffective warrior, half warrior, whatever you prefer.

This is one of the most honest titles I’ve seen for a thread in these forums…and it would probably be just as accurate for more than half the threads in this subforum.

Vuh.1328:

Why do people think a passive heal is worse(especially inbetween cc and immunities) vs burst than a active heal that can get interrupted and is also affected by poison?

Well, it’s not as long as the whole meta revolves around high sustain/resistant builds.

The shorter the fight, the better are burst heals compared to passive:

Let’s make an example: A war can choose between Healing Signet and Healing Surge.

Roughly it is 330 hps for Healing Surhe, 392 for Signet.

Healing Surge is at 10135 heal on a 30 seconds cooldown.

Now, if a fight lasts 15 seconds, and you use Healing Surge once, you’ll heal for 10135 over 15 secs, which is 675 hps. Much better than Signet, which is 392 hps. (if you don’t get interrupted and can cleanse poison before using the heal, which is indeed pretty easy).

If the battle lasts 30 seconds, and you land it once, healing surge will heal for 337 hps.

If the battle lasts 40 seconds, and you land it twice, healing surge will heal for 506 hps.

Morale of the story:

Healing Surge hps varies based on a combination between its cooldown and the duration of the fight.

As a generic rule, the shorter the fight, the more effective Healing Surge is.

The fact this is never used tells something about the meta. The only situation where you might want a burst heal right now is if you get focused, but in that situation I’d rather have an immunity than a burst heal that will be interrupted by chain cc or got by condi spam.

silentnight warrior.2714:

The only thing that its exclusive to warriors (mesmer signet its very close) its this sentence:

“Why do people think a passive heal is worse(especially inbetween cc and immunities) vs burst than a active heal that can get interrupted and is also affected by poison?”

1) Because HS its also afected by poison.

2) If you dodge, evade, port, stunbreak that CC you will still be able to damage that warrior. Not talking about blinds here because the warrior can have BS up. But just wait 8 seconds (most of them already passed in that time).

3) If a warrior receive a burst attack activating Healing signet its useless. Low hp gain and no passive healing for 16/20 seconds. Thats the main reason for no one ever uses active HS.

Now go to sleep…

And dont forget that you can still play Hardmode warrior. Go berserker without defensive stances / traits (even with less damage than in the beginning) and enjoy. (or not).

And a normal heal can be interrupted and not heal at all, healing signet will always heal. Healing signet will also heal while the warrior himself is dodgeing, normal heal will not.

Healing signet without defensive traits, utilities is not a problem, healing signet active is kitten but the passive too good.

Mightymealworm.8409:

Offensive guardian is the hard made warrior. Or kitten warrior, ineffective warrior, half warrior, whatever you prefer.

Don’t underestimate med guardian. They have pretty brutal hps, even as burst, and have brutal damage. And can dodge more. What they lack are mobility and cc, which means they are effective in less situations.

redslion.9675:

Mightymealworm.8409:

Offensive guardian is the hard made warrior. Or kitten warrior, ineffective warrior, half warrior, whatever you prefer.

Don’t underestimate med guardian. They have pretty brutal hps, even as burst, and have brutal damage. And can dodge more. What they lack are mobility and cc, which means they are effective in less situations.

They also lack condi cleansing or stabilty, and sustain if burst fails as their burst rotation requires them to usually blow 2 of their utilities on first engagement negating a lot of that traited healing. They only dodge more if they give up a lot of their damage.

Mightymealworm.8409:

redslion.9675:

Mightymealworm.8409:

Offensive guardian is the hard made warrior. Or kitten warrior, ineffective warrior, half warrior, whatever you prefer.

Don’t underestimate med guardian. They have pretty brutal hps, even as burst, and have brutal damage. And can dodge more. What they lack are mobility and cc, which means they are effective in less situations.

They also lack condi cleansing or stabilty, and sustain if burst fails as their burst rotation requires them to usually blow 2 of their utilities on first engagement negating a lot of that traited healing. They only dodge more if they give up a lot of their damage.

Wait… Guardians have condi cleanse with Smite condition and Contemplation of Purity. Not the same, but IMHO it works.

They just need 5 trait points in Honor to get perma vigor.

They don’t have condi cleanse, but have a bit of on-demand protecion and blocks.

And I was talking about sword/scepter, which is more about sustained damage and doesn’t require utilities for bursts.

And scepter helps when aoe condi spam is too much.

I said condi cleanse OR stability, as some will use syg over cop. A ‘full burst’ guardian is 10/30/30/0/0. For them to pick up vigor and protection they typically use the more hybrid 0/30/30/5/5 build, but that drops 100 power and a 10% damage mod. There are other med builds out there, but they lack burst ability and tend to be more DPS oriented.

Not to continue to derail the thread, but I stand by my original statement that if you want to play as a more difficult warrior, just roll an offensive guardian.

Mightymealworm.8409:

I said condi cleanse OR stability, as some will use syg over cop. A ‘full burst’ guardian is 10/30/30/0/0. For them to pick up vigor and protection they typically use the more hybrid 0/30/30/5/5 build, but that drops 100 power and a 10% damage mod. There are other med builds out there, but they lack burst ability and tend to be more DPS oriented.

Not to continue to derail the thread, but I stand by my original statement that if you want to play as a more difficult warrior, just roll an offensive guardian.

I tried both.

Guardian is easier than hambow or condi in my opinion, but not easier than GS burst.

However, that’s what you get for putting all useful traits in one tree (defense) for one weapon set.

Then I guess you will be just fine with adrenal health being moved to grandmaster?

brannigan.9810:

Then I guess you will be just fine with adrenal health being moved to grandmaster?

Hell yeah! Pump da burstZ!

Don’t leave all that adrenaline there all alone.XD