Guild Wars 2

is the most cancerous thing ever. Spam all the buttons and never die and its just soo boring to watch, long drawnout and meaningless fights that goes nowhere. Idk why the camera was always on the eles, its a good way to lose viewers.

Anet should of just gut the celes ele build already if they don’t know how to balance it, its better dead then alive especially of how disgusting the spec is.

More fun to watch than to see zerker and fights that end in a few seconds

Cele isn’t the problem at all, might stacking is.

xDudisx.5914:

More fun to watch than to see zerker and fights that end in a few seconds

It is far more enjoyable to watch 2 zerkers fighting, where making mistakes actually matter and is harshly punishable.

I tuned in because I was curious! What’s the first thing I see? Almost all engi and ele…

GW2 pvp is already not that great for viewing (fun to play though), watching stuff like this is just ugh.

Dagins.5163:

xDudisx.5914:

More fun to watch than to see zerker and fights that end in a few seconds

It is far more enjoyable to watch 2 zerkers fighting, where making mistakes actually matter and is harshly punishable.

Maybe you should go watch Counter Striker then.

Lifestealer.4910:

is the most cancerous thing ever. Spam all the buttons and never die and its just soo boring to watch, long drawnout and meaningless fights that goes nowhere. Idk why the camera was always on the eles, its a good way to lose viewers.

Anet should of just gut the celes ele build already if they don’t know how to balance it, its better dead then alive especially of how disgusting the spec is.

The idea behind putting the camera on the ele or the engy vs the zerker class is that they tend to stay on the pts longer and thus you capture more of the actual teamfight. Zerker classes tend to be jumping in, bursting, and then resetting way off node. When they reset, you dont see the action going on in the teamfight.

Harbinger.8637:

I tuned in because I was curious! What’s the first thing I see? Almost all engi and ele…

GW2 pvp is already not that great for viewing (fun to play though), watching stuff like this is just ugh.

The ESL today had a very small ammount of eles/engies compared to usual. It wasn’t until the finals where they switched comps and we had 3 eles and 2 engies out of 10.

you mean watching thieves spamming 2 is more interesting, yeah right, Ele with Engi most complex class to play in this game, I rather watch them all then a Ranger spamming 1, Hambow spamming burst skill, etc…

posthumecaver.6473:

you mean watching thieves spamming 2 is more interesting, yeah right, Ele with Engi most complex class to play in this game, I rather watch them all then a Ranger spamming 1, Hambow spamming burst skill, etc…

This. ^

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posthumecaver.6473:

you mean watching thieves spamming 2 is more interesting, yeah right, Ele with Engi most complex class to play in this game, I rather watch them all then a Ranger spamming 1, Hambow spamming burst skill, etc…

This guy makes a point, you get little action from zerkers anyway too fast,off point,stealthed,overusage of AA who can enjoy that? If you believe it’s OP ask buff of boon hate which barely exists.

Lifestealer.4910:

is the most cancerous thing ever. Spam all the buttons and never die and its just soo boring to watch, long drawnout and meaningless fights that goes nowhere. Idk why the camera was always on the eles, its a good way to lose viewers.

Anet should of just gut the celes ele build already if they don’t know how to balance it, its better dead then alive especially of how disgusting the spec is.

I’m going to guess you are a bad player who doesn’t understand what’s going on when you watch the Cups, and probably die to cele eles because you don’t understand that it isn’t mindless spamming of skills, but somewhat complex skill usage when played right.

if it ain’t cele it ain’t esports

posthumecaver.6473:

you mean watching thieves spamming 2 is more interesting, yeah right, Ele with Engi most complex class to play in this game, I rather watch them all then a Ranger spamming 1, Hambow spamming burst skill, etc…

I’ll tell you what. If I ever saw a Ranger on TCG or CM or 55HPM I would watch it over and over and over. Trying desperately to figure out how the kitten they made a Ranger successful in this patch…………ever!

If you think any of those guys are spamming anything…you are an idiot as well as a fool.

that warrior ROM was getting trained hard at some parts by what looked like the entire team – he was clutch and epic. It was impressive.

that engie was getting trained hard by 3 people at that far point and he was showing why he is on a different plane than others. I haven’t had time to watch it again – so I cannot remember his name.

That Mesmer Helsoth (sp) is the best Kiter I’ve seen in this game. (I’m still newish – maybe there are better, I haven’t seen it yet).

Ele and Engi are complex? Thieves spam 2? Is this 2013?

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Watching a zerk meta is far more enjoyable then watching a meta full of sustain. Not sure how people enjoy watching conditions counter sustain. In the current meta when the camera is on the fight with the zerker classes is when I am most entertained, because they are what swing team fights for the better or worse if they mess up.

Necro burst and engi burst is interesting too, but I dislike the lack of risk they have when compared to something like mesmer or thief.

Gw2 PvP is hard to watch no matter what the camera is on but i had my GF watch some some time ago which is a more outside perspective.

She got bored fast but here’s what she thought paraphrased..

Ele fights – Very flashy and pretty but nothing was happening and no one was losing any health.

Engineers – Couldn’t tell what they were doing and often lost track of them amongst particle effects and turret explosions and such.

Warriors – Could tell what they were doing but they were boring to watch just swinging swords or hammers.

Necro – They stand still alot and sometimes they turn black, couldn’t tell there were actually doing anything at all – got lost amid tons of minions which were interesting to watch (ironic really)

Thief – Hard to keep track of during a fight but kind of exciting since they usually ment a fight was about to end or someone was about to die – lack of huge flashy particles made it easier to understand their attacks.

Mesmers – Similar to thief but much harder to understand and very flashy. they ment a turn in battle but it was never clear how they managed it, a lot of things would just appear and then vanish again when they showed up.

Ranger – Very boring to watch, they just shoot arrows at things.

Guardians – too flashy hard to follow through all the particles. seemed to make a difference in a fight when they showed up but they made it hard to watch through all the blue fire and bubbles. 1v1 guard fights were boring.

I think a huge short fall on the Esports scene is the lack of a “pre season” that shows matches with further explinations and slow motion play backs and break downs that really explain wtf is even happening and what each player is doing on the field.

That being said, even with things like that it’s not exciting to explain that an Ele is going to hit F1 and then 2 then 4 then 3 then 5 and then F2 and then 4 etc.. etc.. over and over in the same order no matter what the fight is of when they join.

Thief and Mesmer are probably the most exciting to watch and explain as they have so very little passive padding in their play. You dont have to explain that a thief can tank 3v1 because it has full adrenaline and 4 traits that cure conditions for it at set intervals while its signets provide passive healing that is boosted by another trait …

you just have to say that this thief/mesmer has a boost to that one attack and that this is how they set up to land it and the result is obvious when it misses or lands.

I would theorize that if you could give the other 6 classes as many passive bs skills as thief and Mesmer have (which is maybe 2 or 3 max and you cant even access all of them in a viable build) not only would the game itself be more exciting but the meta would shift entirely.

Just to add to the point, LoL is a nearly pure active pvp game where you can see everything and understand everything that is taking place without any or very little prior knowledge. same for CoD or Halo or Dota.. while complex under the surface, at face value they are very simple and easy to understand.

If you start out as easy to understand then a viewer can enjoy watching and appreciate advanced play more readily, and Gw2 offers both of these sparingly to almost not at all..

Think back to the first “no-scope” video you ever saw. pretty awesome right? you understood that it was hard to hit a target with a precision weapon when zoomed in without any pretext or having to read a block of text, and the fact that someone could aim and hit without zooming in was instantly obvious of some form of an above average skill level..

What in Gw2 is similar to that? Maybe a Shatter mesmer bomb that 1 shots or a thief that can shred something apart in 2 seconds or less.. but what else?

I’ll give you 2 minutes to come up with something..

…

Got anything yet? No?

Don’t worry, i know you couldn’t have come up with anything else because there is NOTHING else…

TL;DR
Thief is the easiest class to understand for an outsider, mesmer a close second only by virtue of muddy class mechanics.

Passive back end padding that keeps the other 6 classes afloat (aside from necro and ranger maybe) is likely the biggest barrier to exciting combat and comprehensive viewing experience to a non-Gw2 player.

The average viewer wants to understand and appreciate high stakes competitive play at the highest levels without having to first read a small novel. Gw2 does not offer this and never has.

Just curious…

Are you talking about EU or NA ESL tourney?

Personally I prefer to watch the camera in the hand of ChroNickGamer who was streaming the EU tourney on the german guildnews channel this Sunday.

The last two matchups in the EU ESL 55HP vs TCG and TCG vs CM were exciting to watch.
Edit: and TCG played with three berserker professions (mesmer, thief and medidation-guard) and 55HP with two (mesmer&thief).

If you want to make people come and try gw2 you avoid showing the profession that keep being farmed. It is much more appealling to see god mode prof rolling on everything.
Did you never notice that cams are on ele, engies or thieves 80% of the time? 10% on warriors.

Swish.2463:

tldr

I agree with this post! Anet really needs to make the viewing experience better.

Teutos.8620:

Just curious…

Are you talking about EU or NA ESL tourney?

Personally I prefer to watch the camera in the hand of ChroNickGamer who was streaming the EU tourney on the german guildnews channel this Sunday.

The last two matchups in the EU ESL 55HP vs TCG and TCG vs CM were exciting to watch.
Edit: and TCG played with three berserker professions (mesmer, thief and medidation-guard) and 55HP with two (mesmer&thief).

I also agree these games were much better to watch. TCG just has a very engaging and fun comp to watch.