Guild Wars 2

The base damage of conditions is way too high. If it scales more with the attribute condition damage, builds which are now too strong because they run zerker amulett and still do most dmg with bleedings and burning beside the other damage (every kind of warri etc.) would be more balanced. It shouldn’t be a buff for condi classes, because the damage should stay the same, only the base damage gets reduced a lot.

The attachement is a screenshot from a duel with a longbow/axe warri with soldiers amulett!

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Hotfix longbow warrior not condition damage

Lupanic.6502:

Hotfix longbow warrior not condition damage

its not only longbow..also torment on sword fe

Today in a Team Que game, I was pushing far and there was warrior in front of me rushing to beat me back to the point, he ran with his back to me while shooting the LB. I wish i recorded the arrows coming out of his back cause I know I can’t do that on my ranger.

Sensotix.4106:

Lupanic.6502:

Hotfix longbow warrior not condition damage

its not only longbow..also torment on sword fe

agree 5 stacks torment with 12 sec duration on an ability with a cooldown of 15sec is way to much. But still longbow is stronger

First of all, 41 hits by burning there is another problem, not only condition damage..

Tried to cleanse it? We are in a condition meta, equip heavy condition removal and you’ll be fine..(i play zerker thief with a sword/pistol, it’s insane how much energy i have to waste on sword 2 to constantly cleanse myself from hambow warriors’ burning..but still, i beat them)

This said: warrior is ridiculous, yesterday i ran into a axe/sword war (axe sword wtf?), eviscerate + torment, it was unbearable. Warrior are too tough, they can run carrion and still facetank tons of direct damage. No other class can play carrion in pvp and resist a 1v1 with a decent thief, sometimes i run into carrion grenade engineers and it’s kinda sad how i can smash them in seconds. Same for necros (why a necro runs carrion anyway..?). Warriors coefficients are completely wrong. Too much condition damage in power builds, they have a direct damage output which is too high to give them condition damage too.

But i just realized i wasted 10 minutes of my life typing here, it has been months that warriors are ruining GW2 pvp and nothing has been done but nerfs too small to have any inpact (I lol at the next hs nerf..you seriously think that it’ll change anything..? don’t fool yourselves please..).

So i’ll stop typing..cya

41hits from burning?? what did you do? standing still in AOE from longbow for the entire match? lol

Sorry but this issnt a condi problem, its you!

nicknamenick.2437:

41hits from burning?? what did you do? standing still in AOE from longbow for the entire match? lol

Sorry but this issnt a condi problem, its you!

it was a warrior duel that takes a while you know?

My troll bunker ele from before the diamond skill patch, I had about 16+ ways to remove condis.

Sensotix.4106:

nicknamenick.2437:

41hits from burning?? what did you do? standing still in AOE from longbow for the entire match? lol

Sorry but this issnt a condi problem, its you!

it was a warrior duel that takes a while you know?

it was a warrior using axe/xx + longbow so zero long CC on its AOE burning.

That means that guy just keeps standing on its AOE burning field.

Conclusion, dont stay on it or it does damage you know that right?

and 41 ticks is ALLOT!!! that means he just eats it ALL! without even leaving the AOE field..

Stop saying we can easily remove condition / get out of burning field, cause the field can cover a larger area than the point, and it pulse fire… so even if u remove it once, u’ll have it on u the next second; even u are out of the field, there are other attacks that inflict conditions, and they are so many that there is almost a constant reapplication. THIS is the wrong thing in this game, there is too much of everything.

Its not the condi damage that is the problem. Its about the way this specific one is applied. A “skillshot” that covers an entire node … so it requires little to no timing and aim.

Damage wise its not really over the top since this duel seemed to last for 1+ minute. Lack of direct damage basicly means you avoided or mitigated most of that (direct) damage.

Locuz.2651:

Its not the condi damage that is the problem. Its about the way this specific one is applied. A “skillshot” that covers an entire node … so it requires little to no timing and aim.

Damage wise its not really over the top since this duel seemed to last for 1+ minute. Lack of direct damage basicly means you avoided or mitigated most of that (direct) damage.

This..the problem isn’t conditions, is warriors.

For the other screenshot of the dude who claimed to have 16 ways of cleansing conditions (probably true, used to play ele a lot too) and then shows a screen with so many hits of confusion..really makes me stick to my thesis which the problem are not conditions by themselves..

cuge.5398:

Stop saying we can easily remove condition / get out of burning field, cause the field can cover a larger area than the point, and it pulse fire… so even if u remove it once, u’ll have it on u the next second; even u are out of the field, there are other attacks that inflict conditions, and they are so many that there is almost a constant reapplication. THIS is the wrong thing in this game, there is too much of everything.

1: If you dont stand in the AOE you also dont need to remove it

2: because its indeed a big AOE you do get some burning.. here’s a tip:

GET OUT! and kill him on range or wait for a few sec, is that so hard?

3: other conditions? on axe/x longbow?? like the bleeding from pin down?
Well pin down gets a nerf so you can just dodge that without any problem..
So i dont see any problem if you talk about other conditions… because axe doesnt do any condi damage and i think he used shield because else i saw some tormet damage also on your screen from offhand sword.

And last:
Longbow is a hybrid weapon, so i dont see any problem here..
Its just like main hand sword, even in berzerker gear you do some nice extra bleeding damage with that weapon.. but it issnt that much.

They could also remove the bleeding but then they have to increase its base raw damage.. because the raw damage from sword is very low compared to Axe.

nicknamenick.2437:

cuge.5398:

Stop saying we can easily remove condition / get out of burning field, cause the field can cover a larger area than the point, and it pulse fire… so even if u remove it once, u’ll have it on u the next second; even u are out of the field, there are other attacks that inflict conditions, and they are so many that there is almost a constant reapplication. THIS is the wrong thing in this game, there is too much of everything.

1: If you dont stand in the AOE you also dont need to remove it

2: because its indeed a big AOE you do get some burning.. here’s a tip:

GET OUT! and kill him on range or wait for a few sec, is that so hard?

3: other conditions? on axe/x longbow?? like the bleeding from pin down?
Well pin down gets a nerf so you can just dodge that without any problem..
So i dont see any problem if you talk about other conditions… because axe doesnt do any condi damage and i think he used shield because else i saw some tormet damage also on your screen from offhand sword.

And last:
Longbow is a hybrid weapon, so i dont see any problem here..
Its just like main hand sword, even in berzerker gear you do some nice extra bleeding damage with that weapon.. but it issnt that much.

They could also remove the bleeding but then they have to increase its base raw damage.. because the raw damage from sword is very low compared to Axe.

you most likely play wvw and thats fine..but there is a wvw forum

Sensotix.4106:

nicknamenick.2437:

cuge.5398:

Stop saying we can easily remove condition / get out of burning field, cause the field can cover a larger area than the point, and it pulse fire… so even if u remove it once, u’ll have it on u the next second; even u are out of the field, there are other attacks that inflict conditions, and they are so many that there is almost a constant reapplication. THIS is the wrong thing in this game, there is too much of everything.

1: If you dont stand in the AOE you also dont need to remove it

2: because its indeed a big AOE you do get some burning.. here’s a tip:

GET OUT! and kill him on range or wait for a few sec, is that so hard?

3: other conditions? on axe/x longbow?? like the bleeding from pin down?
Well pin down gets a nerf so you can just dodge that without any problem..
So i dont see any problem if you talk about other conditions… because axe doesnt do any condi damage and i think he used shield because else i saw some tormet damage also on your screen from offhand sword.

And last:
Longbow is a hybrid weapon, so i dont see any problem here..
Its just like main hand sword, even in berzerker gear you do some nice extra bleeding damage with that weapon.. but it issnt that much.

They could also remove the bleeding but then they have to increase its base raw damage.. because the raw damage from sword is very low compared to Axe.

you most likely play wvw and thats fine..but there is a wvw forum

nope sir,

even in pvp it issnt that hard to keep running in circles around and in/out of the capture point, if you see that big AOE just get out for some seconds if you cant handle it.. this works the same against allot of classes like engi can spam bombs on capture point, are you going to stay there also and eat it all? or necro with its marks etc..

And the AOE burning from longbow without condi amulet issnt doing that much damage, pulses are every 3 SEC!!! most players dont even get hit more than once by this skill..

Except if you dont dodge and just stay in this AOE..
And seeing the amount of ticks it looks like he eats them all on full duration, good job :-)

@Ventari & Sensotix – I totally agree with the both of you, but you have to realize that posting on the forums is not getting you anywhere when you have to discuss with braindead kittens Wink!Wink! The only way that this game can become balanced is if the pvp developers start listening to the top players instead of low levels who have no clue on how or the ability to maximize a professions potential.

nicknamenick.2437:

Sensotix.4106:

nicknamenick.2437:

cuge.5398:

Stop saying we can easily remove condition / get out of burning field, cause the field can cover a larger area than the point, and it pulse fire… so even if u remove it once, u’ll have it on u the next second; even u are out of the field, there are other attacks that inflict conditions, and they are so many that there is almost a constant reapplication. THIS is the wrong thing in this game, there is too much of everything.

1: If you dont stand in the AOE you also dont need to remove it

2: because its indeed a big AOE you do get some burning.. here’s a tip:

GET OUT! and kill him on range or wait for a few sec, is that so hard?

3: other conditions? on axe/x longbow?? like the bleeding from pin down?
Well pin down gets a nerf so you can just dodge that without any problem..
So i dont see any problem if you talk about other conditions… because axe doesnt do any condi damage and i think he used shield because else i saw some tormet damage also on your screen from offhand sword.

And last:
Longbow is a hybrid weapon, so i dont see any problem here..
Its just like main hand sword, even in berzerker gear you do some nice extra bleeding damage with that weapon.. but it issnt that much.

They could also remove the bleeding but then they have to increase its base raw damage.. because the raw damage from sword is very low compared to Axe.

you most likely play wvw and thats fine..but there is a wvw forum

nope sir,

even in pvp it issnt that hard to keep running in circles around and in/out of the capture point, if you see that big AOE just get out for some seconds if you cant handle it.. this works the same against allot of classes like engi can spam bombs on capture point, are you going to stay there also and eat it all? or necro with its marks etc..

And the AOE burning from longbow without condi amulet issnt doing that much damage, pulses are every 3 SEC!!! most players dont even get hit more than once by this skill..

Except if you dont dodge and just stay in this AOE..
And seeing the amount of ticks it looks like he eats them all on full duration, good job :-)

you know that if you play in the higher tier you cant afford to loose nodes that easily by just stepping outside the aoe damage…no aoe damage should be as big as a node

nicknamenick.2437:

cuge.5398:

Stop saying we can easily remove condition / get out of burning field, cause the field can cover a larger area than the point, and it pulse fire… so even if u remove it once, u’ll have it on u the next second; even u are out of the field, there are other attacks that inflict conditions, and they are so many that there is almost a constant reapplication. THIS is the wrong thing in this game, there is too much of everything.

1: If you dont stand in the AOE you also dont need to remove it

2: because its indeed a big AOE you do get some burning.. here’s a tip:

GET OUT! and kill him on range or wait for a few sec, is that so hard?

3: other conditions? on axe/x longbow?? like the bleeding from pin down?
Well pin down gets a nerf so you can just dodge that without any problem..
So i dont see any problem if you talk about other conditions… because axe doesnt do any condi damage and i think he used shield because else i saw some tormet damage also on your screen from offhand sword.

And last:
Longbow is a hybrid weapon, so i dont see any problem here..
Its just like main hand sword, even in berzerker gear you do some nice extra bleeding damage with that weapon.. but it issnt that much.

They could also remove the bleeding but then they have to increase its base raw damage.. because the raw damage from sword is very low compared to Axe.

I wasn’t referring only to the warr example, but i was thinking about what usually happens in a tpvp match, where you will be rarely facing only one opponent for an extended period of time. Conditions are present almost in every weapon set, and those skills inflicting conditions are on a really low cd, or even spammable auto attacks this way even builds not focusing on condition damage will actually help covering the heavy damaging ones, and most of the times you can find yourself overwhelmed by the clusterkitten of conditions coming from N different sources. So the only effective condition removals are those that wipe all of them (ex. lyssa runes) or a spammabe one (ex. cleansing ire).

Sensotix.4106:

nicknamenick.2437:

Sensotix.4106:

nicknamenick.2437:

cuge.5398:

Stop saying we can easily remove condition / get out of burning field, cause the field can cover a larger area than the point, and it pulse fire… so even if u remove it once, u’ll have it on u the next second; even u are out of the field, there are other attacks that inflict conditions, and they are so many that there is almost a constant reapplication. THIS is the wrong thing in this game, there is too much of everything.

1: If you dont stand in the AOE you also dont need to remove it

2: because its indeed a big AOE you do get some burning.. here’s a tip:

GET OUT! and kill him on range or wait for a few sec, is that so hard?

3: other conditions? on axe/x longbow?? like the bleeding from pin down?
Well pin down gets a nerf so you can just dodge that without any problem..
So i dont see any problem if you talk about other conditions… because axe doesnt do any condi damage and i think he used shield because else i saw some tormet damage also on your screen from offhand sword.

And last:
Longbow is a hybrid weapon, so i dont see any problem here..
Its just like main hand sword, even in berzerker gear you do some nice extra bleeding damage with that weapon.. but it issnt that much.

They could also remove the bleeding but then they have to increase its base raw damage.. because the raw damage from sword is very low compared to Axe.

you most likely play wvw and thats fine..but there is a wvw forum

nope sir,

even in pvp it issnt that hard to keep running in circles around and in/out of the capture point, if you see that big AOE just get out for some seconds if you cant handle it.. this works the same against allot of classes like engi can spam bombs on capture point, are you going to stay there also and eat it all? or necro with its marks etc..

And the AOE burning from longbow without condi amulet issnt doing that much damage, pulses are every 3 SEC!!! most players dont even get hit more than once by this skill..

Except if you dont dodge and just stay in this AOE..
And seeing the amount of ticks it looks like he eats them all on full duration, good job :-)

you know that if you play in the higher tier you cant afford to loose nodes that easily by just stepping outside the aoe damage…no aoe damage should be as big as a node

Ok, you do it on your way and i on mine.. sure

You stay on capture point eat ALL damage.. get killed after x seconds..
lost capture point

I kite around loosing capture points for X seconds but manage to atleast kill the warr and take capture point back.

Now lets say whats the best way..

nicknamenick.2437:

Sensotix.4106:

nicknamenick.2437:

Sensotix.4106:

nicknamenick.2437:

cuge.5398:

Stop saying we can easily remove condition / get out of burning field, cause the field can cover a larger area than the point, and it pulse fire… so even if u remove it once, u’ll have it on u the next second; even u are out of the field, there are other attacks that inflict conditions, and they are so many that there is almost a constant reapplication. THIS is the wrong thing in this game, there is too much of everything.

1: If you dont stand in the AOE you also dont need to remove it

2: because its indeed a big AOE you do get some burning.. here’s a tip:

GET OUT! and kill him on range or wait for a few sec, is that so hard?

3: other conditions? on axe/x longbow?? like the bleeding from pin down?
Well pin down gets a nerf so you can just dodge that without any problem..
So i dont see any problem if you talk about other conditions… because axe doesnt do any condi damage and i think he used shield because else i saw some tormet damage also on your screen from offhand sword.

And last:
Longbow is a hybrid weapon, so i dont see any problem here..
Its just like main hand sword, even in berzerker gear you do some nice extra bleeding damage with that weapon.. but it issnt that much.

They could also remove the bleeding but then they have to increase its base raw damage.. because the raw damage from sword is very low compared to Axe.

you most likely play wvw and thats fine..but there is a wvw forum

nope sir,

even in pvp it issnt that hard to keep running in circles around and in/out of the capture point, if you see that big AOE just get out for some seconds if you cant handle it.. this works the same against allot of classes like engi can spam bombs on capture point, are you going to stay there also and eat it all? or necro with its marks etc..

And the AOE burning from longbow without condi amulet issnt doing that much damage, pulses are every 3 SEC!!! most players dont even get hit more than once by this skill..

Except if you dont dodge and just stay in this AOE..
And seeing the amount of ticks it looks like he eats them all on full duration, good job :-)

you know that if you play in the higher tier you cant afford to loose nodes that easily by just stepping outside the aoe damage…no aoe damage should be as big as a node

Ok, you do it on your way and i on mine.. sure

You stay on capture point eat ALL damage.. get killed after x seconds..
lost capture point

I kite around loosing capture points for X seconds but manage to atleast kill the warr and take capture point back.

Now lets say whats the best way..

that works in your area yea

nicknamenick.2437:

Sensotix.4106:

nicknamenick.2437:

Sensotix.4106:

nicknamenick.2437:

cuge.5398:

Stop saying we can easily remove condition / get out of burning field, cause the field can cover a larger area than the point, and it pulse fire… so even if u remove it once, u’ll have it on u the next second; even u are out of the field, there are other attacks that inflict conditions, and they are so many that there is almost a constant reapplication. THIS is the wrong thing in this game, there is too much of everything.

1: If you dont stand in the AOE you also dont need to remove it

2: because its indeed a big AOE you do get some burning.. here’s a tip:

GET OUT! and kill him on range or wait for a few sec, is that so hard?

3: other conditions? on axe/x longbow?? like the bleeding from pin down?
Well pin down gets a nerf so you can just dodge that without any problem..
So i dont see any problem if you talk about other conditions… because axe doesnt do any condi damage and i think he used shield because else i saw some tormet damage also on your screen from offhand sword.

And last:
Longbow is a hybrid weapon, so i dont see any problem here..
Its just like main hand sword, even in berzerker gear you do some nice extra bleeding damage with that weapon.. but it issnt that much.

They could also remove the bleeding but then they have to increase its base raw damage.. because the raw damage from sword is very low compared to Axe.

you most likely play wvw and thats fine..but there is a wvw forum

nope sir,

even in pvp it issnt that hard to keep running in circles around and in/out of the capture point, if you see that big AOE just get out for some seconds if you cant handle it.. this works the same against allot of classes like engi can spam bombs on capture point, are you going to stay there also and eat it all? or necro with its marks etc..

And the AOE burning from longbow without condi amulet issnt doing that much damage, pulses are every 3 SEC!!! most players dont even get hit more than once by this skill..

Except if you dont dodge and just stay in this AOE..
And seeing the amount of ticks it looks like he eats them all on full duration, good job :-)

you know that if you play in the higher tier you cant afford to loose nodes that easily by just stepping outside the aoe damage…no aoe damage should be as big as a node

Ok, you do it on your way and i on mine.. sure

You stay on capture point eat ALL damage.. get killed after x seconds..
lost capture point

I kite around loosing capture points for X seconds but manage to atleast kill the warr and take capture point back.

Now lets say whats the best way..

If you can’t kill it on the node how do you plan to kill it at all (just wondering….)?

cuge.5398:

nicknamenick.2437:

cuge.5398:

Stop saying we can easily remove condition / get out of burning field, cause the field can cover a larger area than the point, and it pulse fire… so even if u remove it once, u’ll have it on u the next second; even u are out of the field, there are other attacks that inflict conditions, and they are so many that there is almost a constant reapplication. THIS is the wrong thing in this game, there is too much of everything.

1: If you dont stand in the AOE you also dont need to remove it

2: because its indeed a big AOE you do get some burning.. here’s a tip:

GET OUT! and kill him on range or wait for a few sec, is that so hard?

3: other conditions? on axe/x longbow?? like the bleeding from pin down?
Well pin down gets a nerf so you can just dodge that without any problem..
So i dont see any problem if you talk about other conditions… because axe doesnt do any condi damage and i think he used shield because else i saw some tormet damage also on your screen from offhand sword.

And last:
Longbow is a hybrid weapon, so i dont see any problem here..
Its just like main hand sword, even in berzerker gear you do some nice extra bleeding damage with that weapon.. but it issnt that much.

They could also remove the bleeding but then they have to increase its base raw damage.. because the raw damage from sword is very low compared to Axe.

I wasn’t referring only to the warr example, but i was thinking about what usually happens in a tpvp match, where you will be rarely facing only one opponent for an extended period of time. Conditions are present almost in every weapon set, and those skills inflicting conditions are on a really low cd, or even spammable auto attacks this way even builds not focusing on condition damage will actually help covering the heavy damaging ones, and most of the times you can find yourself overwhelmed by the clusterkitten of conditions coming from N different sources. So the only effective condition removals are those that wipe all of them (ex. lyssa runes) or a spammabe one (ex. cleansing ire).

Well this IS an example of 1vs1…
and i find it very funny to see that many ticks of burning where they are not even fighting about a capture points..

Conclusion, he EATS ALL burning and just stays in AOE field for way to long.
This is more a L2P problem and not the condition itself.

If you face another guy AND its about a capture point, do what i say.. kite around or something.. yes you loose some time of your capture point but atleast you aint dying now so after the fight take it back…

If you face multiple people AND its about a capture point.. well now where talking about ALL aoe skills.. this is where combustive is shining just like all of the other AOE skills from other classes…

Lupanic.6502:

Hotfix longbow warrior not condition damage

All conditions based builds are OP..but lets just nerf warrior only huh ?