Guild Wars 2

Hotjoin messes with your mind. This is why people get frustrated, I think.

You really can’t tell how much you are contributing to a win or a loss. You can’t tell if you are getting better over time : one match you are right near or on top, the next match you are near the bottom. It’s random. I completed about 1200 matches, and I have played all 8 professions, to learn how they all work.

You think you are fighting well and suddenly you drop. Two ranged people were focus firing on you. You never had a chance.

There’s little time to think in the confusion. Luck is everything. You can be triple focused at any minute and there is no time to react to everything that is coming at you.

I try to join matches with about 8 people total. At least it’s more about you and less about the mass confusion.

I try to just remind myself that when I am on top it’s good luck, and when I am on the bottom, it is poor luck. If I actually try to pay attention to the score, I get very frustrated, because half the time I don’t appear to be doing very well and I wonder how I screwed up. But it’s actually pretty random and is not actually due primarily to my skill.

That’s what messes with your mind. The randomness of it all.

They should really just remove hot join and have the hot joiners solo queue frees once they put matchmaking in for frees. This would solve 2 problems – the hot mess that is hot join and the long free tourney queues.

Laserbolt.6731:

Hotjoin messes with your mind. This is why people get frustrated, I think.

You really can’t tell how much you are contributing to a win or a loss. You can’t tell if you are getting better over time : one match you are on top, the next match you are at the bottom. It’s random. I completed about 1200 matches, and I have played all 8 professions, to learn how they all work.

You think you are fighting well and suddenly you drop. Two ranged people were focus firing on you. You never had a chance.

There’s little time to think in the confusion. Luck is everything. You can be triple focused at any minute and there is no time to react to everything that is coming at you.

I try to join matches with about 8 people total. At least it’s more about you and less about the mass confusion.

I try to just remind myself that when I am on top it’s good luck, and when I am on the bottom, it is poor luck. If I actually try to pay attention to the score, I get very frustrated, because half the time I don’t appear to be doing very well and I wonder how I screwed up. But it’s actually pretty random and is not actually due to my skill.

That’s what messes with your mind. The randomness of it all.

Personally I change my weapon set accordingly to the enemy team composition:

E.G
- many mesmers, warriors,engineer, guardian?= switch to staff and rain dmg while supporting your zerg…average kills ratio 15+
- many thieves, warriors?= dagger/dagger, being mindful of enemy zerg location I engage 1vs1 situation and run in 1vs2, I join always ongoing zerg fights and killing weakened foes while avoiding focused fire…average kill ratio 10+
-many rangers, engineers, pistol thieves?= scepter/focus and move with zerg, laugh maniacally as people kill themself with my reflect skills, spike calling (gale) and finisher

Basically I don’t expect to win in every situation using the same weapon set/build, I change accordingly…

why not just join the 5v5 rooms?

boom fixed

firebreathz.7692:

why not just join the 5v5 rooms?

boom fixed

There aren’t really any 5v5 rooms, but there are several rooms that fluctuate between 2v3, 3v4, 4v4, 5v4, and 5v5.

I agree with the OP, it would be great to be able to just log on and play for half an hour in something other than hotjoin. Random vs random single match would be most excellent.

Like getting a ranked solo queue, I think most players will agree that hotjoin is pointless and it’s better to let new players or players that just want to play a few matches do something else. I really hope they change this too!!

NevirSayDie.6235:

firebreathz.7692:

why not just join the 5v5 rooms?

boom fixed

There aren’t really any 5v5 rooms, but there are several rooms that fluctuate between 2v3, 3v4, 4v4, 5v4, and 5v5.

I agree with the OP, it would be great to be able to just log on and play for half an hour in something other than hotjoin. Random vs random single match would be most excellent.

first too many then too little.. cant please all the ppl all the time..

altho i do see where you are coming from

i really like the “Random vs random single match would be most excellent.” suggestion and has been one of my wishes too but i would like to see them have an arena style match maybe. i mean the makers of the game have arena in there name, thats enough reason to implement it..

I pretty much agree. If I hotjoin on my thief, I pretty much go around taking buffs, sniping svanir/chief, backcapping points, using the treb, and leaving the server when Capricorn rolls around. If I get triple-teamed by the zerg it’s time to book it and move to the other side of the map. No real strategy in hotjoin as long as 8v8 is still in the game. Whoever gets the worse team loses.

EaGrimdarK.7849:

The only luck in pvp is RNG, even then you can have a say in that too.

Edit: You will probably think RNG means ranger, since I dont expect much of you I will explain to you what RNG is: RNG stands for random number generator, and its the thing that factors in your stats and their stats and poops out the numbers when you hit your “luck” buttons.

Practically everyone (especially on the sPvP forum) knows what RNG is. Go be a kitten somewhere else.

Laserbolt.6731:

Hotjoin messes with your mind. This is why people get frustrated, I think.

You really can’t tell how much you are contributing to a win or a loss. You can’t tell if you are getting better over time : one match you are on top, the next match you are at the bottom. It’s random. I have completed about 1200 matches, and I have played all 8 professions, to learn how they all work.

You think you are fighting well and suddenly you drop. Two ranged people were focus firing on you. You never had a chance.

There’s little time to think in the confusion. Luck is everything. You can be triple focused at any minute and there is no time to react to everything that is coming at you.

I try to join matches with about 8 people total. At least it’s more about you and less about the mass confusion.

I try to just remind myself that when I am on top it’s good luck, and when I am on the bottom, it is poor luck. If I actually try to pay attention to the score, I get very frustrated, because half the time I don’t appear to be doing very well and I wonder how I screwed up. But it’s actually pretty random and is not actually due primarily to my skill.

That’s what messes with your mind. The randomness of it all.

It’s awful. Not only does it suffer from the problems you listed. But it doesn’t teach you how to play the game mode (3 point conquest , 5vs5, on those respective maps).

If ppl started to get out of hotjoin and doing tournies they would quickly find out about positioning, relevant specs, etc. Hotjoins are super casual, but i dont think even casuals love em.

When they player base was big a solo/duo Q in free’s would have been immensly useful. They probably need to do something about it now, but its alot more tricky now.

Hot-joins should simply be changed into free tournaments specially when custom rooms come out.

NevirSayDie.6235:

firebreathz.7692:

why not just join the 5v5 rooms?

boom fixed

There aren’t really any 5v5 rooms, but there are several rooms that fluctuate between 2v3, 3v4, 4v4, 5v4, and 5v5.

I agree with the OP, it would be great to be able to just log on and play for half an hour in something other than hotjoin. Random vs random single match would be most excellent.

Totally agree that “random vs random single match” would be a simple and convenient solution. First, I do not really see why to filter player according to their ranks. I’m not afraid to play with those who are more skilled (there is a lot to learn from them), and of course it’s nice to play with less skilled players sometimes (why not to feel what I am capable of). Randomness will give even chances to everyone and allow to arrange matches fast, almost without the queue. Second,to make chances really even both sides should start with full team with no “hot join” available (that is why I think there has to be at a least glory penalty for leaving the battle).

Good players consistently reach the top scores. I fail to see how “they focus fired me nothing I could do” even happens, unless you’re never paying attention to your surroundings.

Skyro.3108:

They should really just remove hot join and have the hot joiners solo queue frees once they put matchmaking in for frees. This would solve 2 problems – the hot mess that is hot join and the long free tourney queues.

No. I like the hotjoin where it is, tyvm. It allows me to play few simple casual games when I feel like it. Without queues and all the drama. Just join and play.

As it stands now, free tourneys play looks like this:
Join, wait 4 minutes, get stomped by a premade
Join, wait 5 minutes, get stomped by a premade
Join, wait 4 minutes, get stomped by a premade
Join, wait 4 minutes, start 4v5, loose
Join, wait 6 minutes, get stomped by a premade
Join, wait 5 minutes, even match but you still lose becouse you are bad/whatever
Join, wait 4 minutes, this time they have 1-afker, we win

Meanwhile I could play 10 hotjoin matches and get roughly 50% win ratio and no downtime. Yes, its a bit random, but I take it over free spvp any day.

Awe.1096:

Skyro.3108:

They should really just remove hot join and have the hot joiners solo queue frees once they put matchmaking in for frees. This would solve 2 problems – the hot mess that is hot join and the long free tourney queues.

No. I like the hotjoin where it is, tyvm. It allows me to play few simple casual games when I feel like it. Without queues and all the drama. Just join and play.

As it stands now, free tourneys play looks like this:
Join, wait 4 minutes, get stomped by a premade
Join, wait 5 minutes, get stomped by a premade
Join, wait 4 minutes, get stomped by a premade
Join, wait 4 minutes, start 4v5, loose
Join, wait 6 minutes, get stomped by a premade
Join, wait 5 minutes, even match but you still lose becouse you are bad/whatever
Join, wait 4 minutes, this time they have 1-afker, we win

Meanwhile I could play 10 hotjoin matches and get roughly 50% win ratio and no downtime. Yes, its a bit random, but I take it over free spvp any day.

I used to think that hotjoins should just be removed, but recently I’m realizing that there are a lot of people who like being able to hop in/out at will. My hope is that they’ll convert free tourneys into solo queue single match and place it side-by-side with hotjoins. They don’t necessarily need to remove the farm/practice mode—it’s convenient—but having it be the “standard” first PvP experience for new players is a bad idea.