Guild Wars 2

I mean the obvious Gs Mace/shield berserker….with its 5 sec weapon swap and condi clear on swap, slew of f2’s while in berserker mode, stunbreaks all over, insane sustain vs power or unequivocal condi clear, and does tons of conditions, and has 2 blocks………zzzzzzzzzzzz need I go on? I mean when You think about it, the class is a standalone mobile bunker that relies on rotation of skills to stay in a fight. Whereas a guard will rely on a couple of key blocks and invulnerability to keep a standalone point held. The gs on the power warrior is really keeps it from falling into the single target only pitfall.

So I mean how is condi warrior by comparison?
Condi warrior doesn’t have access to a gs…so suffers from the single-target pitfall that power warriors have when their gs ain’t equipped. People are spamming giant aoe on downed targets…..you in ur condi build get single target stuns that are borderline ineffective for interrupting rezing in pretty much every situation outside of 1v1. We are tied to our aoe….so its hard to lay one down, cept when we have longbow but that has its own problems as a weapon. Many condi attacks also have this weird, only in the direction u are facing, firing mechanic (torch 4, the boulder destruction primal).

Are other classes like condi warrior? How does it fair vs other classes in group fights? I always found warriors to be very single-target minded duelers. Are all classes as limited as a warrior is in this way though? Are we not the only ones that have this lack of aoe?

Just kinda curious. I look on metabattle and I use the condi builds……and they jusst seem so 1-trick ponies. They rely on a small set of abilities to do the damage…..and there’s a windup and tons of things that can go wrong and ruin this burst, making u need to kite till the next burst is up. I mean condi warriors seems to depend on laying down tons of conditions, and then stunning and interrupting the enemy so they can’t proc resistance. Other classes though….they just seem to do the same, except they have giant aoe they detonate ontop of you from a safe ranged distance. Whereas we warriors have to use melee stuns, running the risk of getting caught in bombs and all manner of horrible.

Do other classes have the same problems as warrior? or are warrior just outperforming classses in other places I’m not seeing? I mean everyone i see win alot doesn’t play a warrior. They do thiefs or mesmers and control the tide of the battle really well…..not just in terms of standing on circles but for kills too…..and for moving around the map.
I just feel really obsolete in a condi warrior….I don’t know if this si justified in the meta or if I’m just missing something? Do other classes feel really obsolete too? I mean you alll have stealth and aoe and teleports and crazy speed and movement skills and boons and buffs that are effective on both you solo and you as a group; you’d think some of these things would limit ur actual damage and effectivenss in the solo scene since they are group and aoe but that doesn’t seem to be the case at alll……..I personally don’t get how you can be obsolete with such things

Depends on if you’re talking about Macebow or Ragezerker, the former is best for bunkering, the latter is good for killing. Macebow is useful when you take mid, then the Macebow goes to control far. A skilled Macebow can hold a 1v2 for a very long time, but also score kills in 1v1s. Mace/shield on any build is useful for shutting down an ele since they don’t usually keep constant stability stacked. But yeah, you sacrifice mobility for survivability and great 1v1 potential, that’s the rule. Can’t have everything.

Simply put, condi wars dont have enough conditions. Burn guard suffer the same flaw. The burst may have extreme potential but unless you meet someone that has no condi cleanse or nothing on cd, it does very little. Winning condi classes completely overload the enemy with 6+ condis instead, not necessarily high stacks. The only reason a condi war even stays up long enough to make a dent is because they are being carried by healing signet+adrenal health as usual. Having more power damage and the same carry will pretty much always be better.

Dawdler.8521:

Simply put, condi wars dont have enough conditions. Burn guard suffer the same flaw. The burst may have extreme potential but unless you meet someone that has no condi cleanse or nothing on cd, it does very little. Winning condi classes completely overload the enemy with 6+ condis instead, not necessarily high stacks. The only reason a condi war even stays up long enough to make a dent is because they are being carried by healing signet+adrenal health as usual. Having more power damage and the same carry will pretty much always be better.

Actually their condition access is pretty good. Huge variety and can be bursts again when cleared. Also only someone running a full clear will be able to get it off.

I have poison, torment, bleed, confusion, fire, cripple, blind, weakness, vulnerability, immobilize. most of those stacking for my main burst (cept for 3 rly). Definitely not a lack of conditions. So….lacking chill reallly, thats really the only ones i don’t have.

And I mean I can shut down an ele? Sure, I can stun them over and over…..what good is that though? I can’t kill them. At most I can use all my skills and energy to keep 1 player from spamming buffs…? I don’t see that as a good thing.

I’ve been running the bernzerker in ranked, haven’t touched the bow since the start of ranked…where it kinda became a bit obsolete in many situations, although the aoe and firefield was always nice.

i used to play the macebow condi build, just recently switched to this build: http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Berserker_-_GS/Mace_Burst . its so much more fun due to the mobility and burst potential. condi warrior is just boring and slow imo.

Nice thing about power warrior is that you’ll just randomly down a player from forever away when using GS burst skill and its silly 450 range full-circle. The dps is super-duper high too.

I mean, its nice being immune to power damage, condis from lots of resistance (even ignore blinds/cripples chills), and plenty of stab to ignore hard cc’s too! Even on a zerker amulet, the minimum time to kill is like a minute.

Condi warrior just doesn’t seem to have the same dps output, and doesn’t really survive any better as it has all the same passives + invulns.

I also don´t like condi warrior. I use power with demolisher and it´s the burst which makes warrior so good and you have enough defences (healing) to burst multiple times which is usually enough to down someone. But condi warrior is good too. Warrior is a good class for solo play. Yesterday i had a match agaisnt two warriors. They teamed up and duo bursted winning the match for the team …

BlackBeard.2873:

Nice thing about power warrior is that you’ll just randomly down a player from forever away when using GS burst skill and its silly 450 range full-circle. The dps is super-duper high too.

I mean, its nice being immune to power damage, condis from lots of resistance (even ignore blinds/cripples chills), and plenty of stab to ignore hard cc’s too! Even on a zerker amulet, the minimum time to kill is like a minute.

Condi warrior just doesn’t seem to have the same dps output, and doesn’t really survive any better as it has all the same passives + invulns.

I don’t want to sound like a jerk I am only trying to help but 1 minute on a zerker ammy is way too slow, you can do it 3 -5 seconds with a well timed burst and I’m sure there are warriors who could do it quicker….

Also, am I the only Warrior who’s using Destroyer Ammy? This thread sounds like it’s either pure power or pure condi but GS Mace/Sword or shield is a good combo too unless I’m just speaking low tier silver crap…

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sephiroth.4217:

BlackBeard.2873:

Nice thing about power warrior is that you’ll just randomly down a player from forever away when using GS burst skill and its silly 450 range full-circle. The dps is super-duper high too.

I mean, its nice being immune to power damage, condis from lots of resistance (even ignore blinds/cripples chills), and plenty of stab to ignore hard cc’s too! Even on a zerker amulet, the minimum time to kill is like a minute.

Condi warrior just doesn’t seem to have the same dps output, and doesn’t really survive any better as it has all the same passives + invulns.

I don’t want to sound like a jerk I am only trying to help but 1 minute on a zerker ammy is way too slow, you can do it 3 -5 seconds with a well timed burst and I’m sure there are warriors who could do it quicker….

Also, am I the only Warrior who’s using Destroyer Ammy? This thread sounds like it’s either pure power or pure condi but GS Mace/Sword or shield is a good combo too unless I’m just speaking low tier silver crap…

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He meant you can live for a minute (it takes one minute to be killed even on a zerker amulet).

GS Mace/Shield is a meta power build, but that also doesn’t exclude you speaking “lowtier silver crap”. Surprised that’s not censored to kitten actually.

Edit: Also, not to be rude, but if that build is your actual build you are running… it does leave quite a bit to be desired, objectively speaking. PM me in game if you’d like a more detailed breakdown.

alemfi.5107:

sephiroth.4217:

BlackBeard.2873:

Nice thing about power warrior is that you’ll just randomly down a player from forever away when using GS burst skill and its silly 450 range full-circle. The dps is super-duper high too.

I mean, its nice being immune to power damage, condis from lots of resistance (even ignore blinds/cripples chills), and plenty of stab to ignore hard cc’s too! Even on a zerker amulet, the minimum time to kill is like a minute.

Condi warrior just doesn’t seem to have the same dps output, and doesn’t really survive any better as it has all the same passives + invulns.

I don’t want to sound like a jerk I am only trying to help but 1 minute on a zerker ammy is way too slow, you can do it 3 -5 seconds with a well timed burst and I’m sure there are warriors who could do it quicker….

Also, am I the only Warrior who’s using Destroyer Ammy? This thread sounds like it’s either pure power or pure condi but GS Mace/Sword or shield is a good combo too unless I’m just speaking low tier silver crap…

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He meant you can live for a minute (it takes one minute to be killed even on a zerker amulet).

GS Mace/Shield is a meta power build, but that also doesn’t exclude you speaking “lowtier silver crap”. Surprised that’s not censored to kitten actually.

Edit: Also, not to be rude, but if that build is your actual build you are running… it does leave quite a bit to be desired, objectively speaking. PM me in game if you’d like a more detailed breakdown.

Ooooh I read that wrong then, then yea sounds about right. No not my main build, I’m normally an Ele player but Warrior is just super cruizy mode in comparison, only 2 defeats in my last 10 which is nice.

Feel free to send me any builds there may be things I haven’t discovered on Warrior yet, I’m always open to new builds or any tweaks to the one I posted.

@Cerby: yea power warrior hurts more then condi warrior

Are we not the only ones that have this lack of aoe?

the warrior has a high dmg in his berserk mode, out of it the dps falls under the base of most other classes!

Now to the “aoe”: the warrior can all 2,25 seconds use a 0,5 cast as aoe in the berserk mode, out of it the aoe is still there but smaller and not so much (whirlwind thats needed on high ranks for evade and the normal f1 from gs)

If a warrior plays good he can burst in berserk mode 6 times with f1. Count how much times your enermies use them, most players can only use theyr f1 skills 4 times, before leaving berserkmode

warriors are unice on theyr mechanics, but some of them just come out if you trait them or take them in, like signet of might that skill means you hurt more and if the enermie need his defence you can break it.

to condi:
it doesn´t matter how long the conditions durate, cause most classes got good removes.

So the base dps of a condi takes 2-3 seconds before they get removed, on low ranks much longer cause the players don´t react right. So the conditions hit just 3 times if you don´t cover, thats why the condi warrior got the sigill of frailty

what are the differents?
power:
can burst
direct impact
is weaker to effects (protection, weakness, armor and other dmg reductions)

Condi:
-most builds can´t burst
-the dmg ignore most reductions (saver)
- got themselfs much usefull debuffs like poison
- the potential dmg is higher (if you cover the condis corectly)

So both are good balanced, it´s just easyer to get players with 0 armor, 0 protection and to force them to react faster

I’d say almost anything goes when you have over 10 secs worth of Immunity, Block and Resistance while still regenerating super fast with Healing Signet + Adrenal Health and having access to decent condi cleanse. Also Mace Burst isn’t exactly low on the number of conditions applied while at the same time being easy to land. I’d say Macebow has an easier time point defending due to the Longbow F1 and the higher defence with Condi Amulets while GS Zerk/Marauder/Destroyer Builds will have to take advantage of the high mobility, which Macebow lacks. Both are strong 1v1 builds, but the Macebow tends to get outrotated and hence needs to be a bit more careful about when to leave the teamfights.

Dawdler.8521:

Simply put, condi wars dont have enough conditions. Burn guard suffer the same flaw. The burst may have extreme potential but unless you meet someone that has no condi cleanse or nothing on cd, it does very little. Winning condi classes completely overload the enemy with 6+ condis instead, not necessarily high stacks. The only reason a condi war even stays up long enough to make a dent is because they are being carried by healing signet+adrenal health as usual. Having more power damage and the same carry will pretty much always be better.

What?
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Skull_Grinder

xp eke xp.6724:

to condi:
it doesn´t matter how long the conditions durate, cause most classes got good removes.

So the base dps of a condi takes 2-3 seconds before they get removed, on low ranks much longer cause the players don´t react right. So the conditions hit just 3 times if you don´t cover, thats why the condi warrior got the sigill of frailty

WHy do the meta builds all use vipers amulets them?

Why not sinisters? more condi damage

i mean bernzerker is sword/torch + mace/shield. Having that extra 150 power doesn’t mean much, if anything, with gear like that. bernzerker chains stuns on a single target so they can’t condi clear, but that shouldn’t do more than 3-4 secs of no condi clear on a competent player like u said. better crits mean faster access to fire aura, it also adds to damage in a lesser but more upfront kind of way.