Guild Wars 2

I don’t get it.

It is clear these two classes are just off the charts as far as OPness is concerned. Not to mention they are tanky specs with huge sustain which means that basically anyone can play them relatively well.

Every team (more or less) has at least 2 of these classes, but often teams have 3 or even 4 of these.

I think they essentially pushed everything else out in terms of what is best. You can’t res in ANY fight which has an engi in it because the poison/burning aoe cleave with power damage is absurd. As is the rifle in almost every respect. Not to mention crate.

IMO its not a celestial problem either, those classes have just been over-buffed.

Why, when dhuumfire came out, was necromancer HOTFIXED when for the only time in this game you kind of needed one to have the best comp. You could still win without it, but it was easier with it. And that was 1 necro per team.

Whereas now it is kind of good to have 2/3/4 eles/engis to the point where playing without them is gimping yourself. But this isn’t hotfixed, or even fixed for about 6 months?

And a message to ele/engi players:

1, If you played ele and quit during the last peroid of ele, or you rerolled, or you just qqed about how underpowered you were then: you were bad and are still bad. Someone who truely knows their class and is capable of playing well will just play their class however strong it is and make it work to some degree.

2, If you are some dude who mains engi/ele and now all of a sudden you are getting tons of invites to pugs and finding that people who previously rekt you in a comical fashion are now not able to wreck you quite as hard then you were bad and are still bad, the only reason you are doing adequetely well is because you have 25% more stats than other people….

3, When you are an ele/engi and you win a 2v2 vs a non-celestial 2v2 comp it proves nothing. In fact if it wasn’t a total face roll then you are terrible. The healing and dps you have is just absurd and only present because all the devs play engi/ele

It really isn’t complicated. If something like ele/engi is in every team comp, often in multiples as much as 80% of a team then its clearly OP and easy to play. Then these things should be nerfed. Healing turret for example is such an outlier. Why keep adding counter play to warrior and ranger and necro and yet allow healing like ele and engi have which CAN’T BE COUNTERED.

And I know what I am talking about. I won EU solo queue leaderboards WITH the best win % and in fact everytime I was active I was right at the top. You can say it means nothing or whatever, but the fact is I did and you didn’t. And that is SOLO, so I proved my INDIVIDUAL SKILL in every respect. So get over it. If you want to claim you know more than me then you should of proven it by winning at as high a rate as I did and having as high an MMR.

Ele/engi is OP to the extreme and that is a FACT. And its not just celestial, the classes themselves should be nerfed, that is another FACT.

End of story, gg all. If you think you know more than me you are wrong completely.

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OOH look another take on the
I got rekt by a cele, must vent anger, anyone who has anything to say against it can go kitten themselves
hey OP guess what, 0/10 thanks for the try here’s the door → []

They’re nerfing might and sigil of battle soon, which will tone down both classes.

Hooooly kitten, son. Calm down.

Rickster.8752:

End of story, gg all. If you think you know more than me you are wrong completely.

Why did you even post then?

Close the thread no one is allowed to respond or disagree

Rickster#1 PvP Player Worldwide

Except this guy is not on any pvp teams or any streamed tournaments… woops

Wow, you are really, really, really mad.

If that’s long then what is guard/warrior god mode in PVE since day 1

Rickster.8752:

Ele/engi is OP to the extreme and that is a FACT.

Would you please provide some data to support this “fact?” I see a lot of anecdotal evidence and opinion in your post, but nothing to support a “fact.” Considering the upcoming nerf to might in general and sigil of battle, are you still mad?

Inb4 forum warrior 5G comes to defend his OP class

Hambows were OP for over a year get good son! 6 months in between patches for tiny shaves get good son!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Rickster.8752:

And I know what I am talking about. I won EU solo queue leaderboards WITH the best win % and in fact everytime I was active I was right at the top. You can say it means nothing or whatever, but the fact is I did and you didn’t. And that is SOLO, so I proved my INDIVIDUAL SKILL in every respect. So get over it. If you want to claim you know more than me then you should of proven it by winning at as high a rate as I did and having as high an MMR.

Ele/engi is OP to the extreme and that is a FACT. And its not just celestial, the classes themselves should be nerfed, that is another FACT.

End of story, gg all. If you think you know more than me you are wrong completely.

Thats cool. I won NA team q leaderboards with the second highest MMR in the game. I played condi engineer for about one year until celestial came about. During the summer I transitioned to celestial amulet. I agree with you 100%, engi and ele are OP or Outplayable. I hate when i get outplayed on my engi, i cant do nothin about it… and to be fair, your resume is pretty dang strong.. hell you won the solo q leaderboards… so yea i agree, we need to buff these outplayable classes

Aaron.2413:

Rickster.8752:

And I know what I am talking about. I won EU solo queue leaderboards WITH the best win % and in fact everytime I was active I was right at the top. You can say it means nothing or whatever, but the fact is I did and you didn’t. And that is SOLO, so I proved my INDIVIDUAL SKILL in every respect. So get over it. If you want to claim you know more than me then you should of proven it by winning at as high a rate as I did and having as high an MMR.

Ele/engi is OP to the extreme and that is a FACT. And its not just celestial, the classes themselves should be nerfed, that is another FACT.

End of story, gg all. If you think you know more than me you are wrong completely.

Thats cool. I won NA team q leaderboards with the second highest MMR in the game. I played condi engineer for about one year until celestial came about. During the summer I transitioned to celestial amulet. I agree with you 100%, engi and ele are OP or Outplayable. I hate when i get outplayed on my engi, i cant do nothin about it… and to be fair, your resume is pretty dang strong.. hell you won the solo q leaderboards… so yea i agree, we need to buff these outplayable classes

its funny cuz engi is liek the least outplayable class lmao

I know where is problem. Since heastart was engis and little bit eles also quite underpowered with pretty high skill cap and to be at least equal to rest they had to be excelent players. And now after few tweaks what make those classes equal to rest are average players of other classes simply rekted because excelent players got excelent toys:-)

Rozbuska.5263:

I know where is problem. Since heastart was engis and little bit eles also quite underpowered with pretty high skill cap and to be at least equal to rest they had to be excelent players. And now after few tweaks what make those classes equal to rest are average players of other classes simply rekted because excelent players got excelent toys:-)

Ele underpowered? For almost 75% of this games life the elementalist has been the best class.

kitten give some other classes a try. I want the next meta to have 2 rangers/1 guardian and 2 necros in it. Then lets see what all the celestial muppets think about “balance”.

Eles will take a small hit w/ the upcoming balance changes. Engis aren’t really getting nerfed at all, though. Disappointing…I was hoping for changes to turrets and celestial amulet.

Lordrosicky.5813:

kitten give some other classes a try. I want the next meta to have 2 rangers/1 guardian and 2 necros in it. Then lets see what all the celestial muppets think about “balance”.

That’s happened. After the Dhuumfire patch, before Hambow, this is all PvP was.

It was the darkest days GW2 has ever known. Post-Dhuumfire almost everyone in the game will agree was the hands down worst.

Dhuumfire and Stun Bug says “hello, I was even more broken.”

That’s right, Stun Bug, a BUG, a glitch with a Sigil ran the meta not to long ago.

Lets not forget the Elementalist self rezzing with Tornado, fun funs.

All these problems (except I think self-rezzing tornado) last for six months, well, Dhuumfire lasted a bit longer.

If ArenaNet wishes to get into the eSports scene, 6 month hot fixes is not going to cut it. A lot of the potential eSports players left when Dhuumfire destroyed the PvP community, trying to achieve a perfect balance every six months with a small hardcore PvP community is bad.

In my opinion, rebuild the community then aim for that perfect balance.

Be careful what you say, I heard OP graduated at the top of his class in the Navy Seals and has over 300 confirmed kills.

Engies are NOWHERE near as OP as eles. I play both and I freakin have a hard time dying as ele while I burn and blast ppl to death

cele ele isn’t really all that op, they are actually pretty healthy they have counters and counter other classes. condi engi on the other hand only countered by another condi engi and longbow ranger, and counter every one else.

I recently downed 2 ppl at a point while maintaining almost full hp and most skills off CD as ele. Its not my main either and I know plenty of eles can pull that off so it’s not really skill based.

There’s a huge difference between a class that performs better in almost any team composition…. It’s why 2x engi/war/ele are (were) better than any guard/thief/mesmer/ranger.
This is why these type classes are (were) OP.

Cele type builds are a jack of all trades. @ high might stacks they almost out do Zerker bursts yet still maintaining high amounts of heals/vita/toughness. These Cele builds pushed Zerker builds out of the meta due to their damage and tankiness. They can enter any team composition and succeed

Furious.2867:

Engies are NOWHERE near as OP as eles. I play both and I freakin have a hard time dying as ele while I burn and blast ppl to death

Until the latest balance patch. Relax, engis will now be the clear most OP class.

HamHat.5201:

cele ele isn’t really all that op, they are actually pretty healthy they have counters and counter other classes. condi engi on the other hand only countered by another condi engi and longbow ranger, and counter every one else.

wat

Wahoo! Bye frands!

ArrDee.2573:

HamHat.5201:

cele ele isn’t really all that op, they are actually pretty healthy they have counters and counter other classes. condi engi on the other hand only countered by another condi engi and longbow ranger, and counter every one else.

wat

Wahoo! Bye frands!

… idk what HamHat is smoking. I beat most Engi’s and I’m a Guard no less. On the other hand, d/d celes ele’s should never lose to a zerker guard…

Move on. Nothing to see here.

Saiyan.1704:

ArrDee.2573:

HamHat.5201:

cele ele isn’t really all that op, they are actually pretty healthy they have counters and counter other classes. condi engi on the other hand only countered by another condi engi and longbow ranger, and counter every one else.

wat

Wahoo! Bye frands!

… idk what HamHat is smoking. I beat most Engi’s and I’m a Guard no less. On the other hand, d/d celes ele’s should never lose to a zerker guard…

Move on. Nothing to see here.

burn guard

i quit game this guy is best, there is no place for me anymore.
The average skill lvl is that high that somebody won yoloque 3 years ago and still rocking.

The only way i had a few of my wins (ofc cause enemie dcd) cause celeengi is OP.

Saiyan.1704:

Cele type builds are a jack of all trades. @ high might stacks they almost out do Zerker bursts yet still maintaining high amounts of heals/vita/toughness. These Cele builds pushed Zerker builds out of the meta due to their damage and tankiness. They can enter any team composition and succeed

So they do this because of the might stacks, which is being nerfed.

TIL Might stacks affect healing.

Solution to OP’s issue:

• l2p

Its just a few people that play ele and engy.

Yes those players that are good at them… Extremely annoying.

Rather face a 100b or heartseeker or clone damage meta than this stupid meta.
Rather have someone be able to kitten someone up super hard than this ae gets everybody and everybody drops.

Its more fun to watch someone get bullrushed and 100b than it is to watch someone drop due to a bunch of condi’s knocking him down. Or some lich doing stuff you cant really see and you drop dead. I’d much prefer to see bull rush and 100b animation on someone.

Game is boring to watch because its mostly an arrow that hits ground and hits everybody and they all die (thief), or lay a mark on a ground and they all die (necro) or toss a grenade and people die (engineer).

Lacks good animations. Seriously shoot 1 arrow and it does ae damage, you couldn’t have made the animations any better?

Like laying a trap down, its just a bunch of lines, seriously couldn’t have made it better animated?

But again, stupid splish splash never die because I cure condi’s too fast and this meta is all about condi’s is pretty lame and dull.

Bring back in your face type fighting. People enjoy that more.

why do people always just assume its an i got rekt by a celestial ele and want to vent my rage, firstly sometimes they are right because to be honest celestial amulet has 30% more stats than every other amulet so thats actually numbers that you cant deny, and secondly noone gets rekt once and goes on the forum to rage or vent they just rage at them in pm while set to offline or block them lol, noone does that how about look at it objectively and think about the effect all these buffs to other classes have on necro which always gets nerfed but hasnt been in the meta for nearly 2 years. if i had put time in a class that just always gets nerfed while other classes get buffed id be mad too.

Not many people play engineers.

HamHat.5201:

condi engi on the other hand only countered by another condi engi and longbow ranger, and counter every one else.

Condi engi is countered heavily by necromancer. Consume conditions, corrupt boon, heavy cc. Yeah. A condi engineer isn’t winning that fight, unless by accident.

Longbow ranger though, lol. Not at all. If they’re running a pure DPS setup (which they usually are) they’re easy to kill for an engi. Block rapid fire, magnet pull, add lots of condi, and ranger is dead. If they’re a bunker (rare these days, but still pop up sometimes) I go for the pet. Their pets pull conditions to them, so once the pet is dead, the ranger goes down easy.

Playing condi engi and fighting a condi engi is hilarious. I wouldn’t call them a strong counter exactly. A lot of these fights (for me) end with both of us downed at the same time.

Necro is the only strong counter to condi engi, meaning that condi engi will lose that fight almost every time, no matter what. Unless I know for sure that a necro is particularly bad (or on a new class, not saying the player is all around bad) I run from these fights. I won’t win a 1v1, that’s serious. With celestial rifle, that’s a different situation. I may be able to get them down using power skills and trying to limit the amount of conditions I apply. But that’s crippling, since all my best skills also apply lots of conditions. I usually avoid fights like this for the same reason I avoid fights with condi or shoutbow warrior; see below. It’s a time management decision.

That’s not to say necro is the only class that can deal with condi engi. Shatter mesmer can be difficult for engi with all the confusion, if the mesmer plays well. Thief can also take engi down if it baits out their stunbreak, uses stun, and inflicts lots of conditions. And then stealths before the engineer can do the same back to them. Ditto with condi or celestial warrior, though the fight may go on for some time and isn’t usually worth fighting for that reason.

It’s not an uncounterable class/trait setup. Far from it. It just differs from other meta builds so much that people may not think the first few moves of the fight through until it’s too late.

eta: All that I’m talking about is using rabid amulet, not celestial. It just occurred to me that you may be referring to celestial, since all the might stacking can still provide decent condition damage. If that’s the issue, might’s being nerfed a bit, as well as a popular sigil almost all engineers (and elementalists, and warriors) use. This may give you the balance you’re looking for.

condi guard gets countered by longbow ranger? excuse me while I die of laughter. If the longbow ranger is GOOD and outplays the living kitten out of that engi he might win that 1v1. But thats not really reliant on the ranger doing well. It relies on the engi making every mistake he possibly could. He missed with chill grenades. He blocked auto attacks instead of rapid fire. He didnt dodge Point blank shot. He didn’t pull ranger off the ledge etc…etc…etc..

Arietta The Broken.1875:

Not many people play engineers.

This one’s worse better. 100% turreteers. Noice.

In team fights the longbow ranger is very effective against the condi engy, because he cannot see the longbow ranger setting himself up and bursting the condi engy hp to critical.

Longbow ranger has a pretty nasty burst and classes that can land nasty bursts is what the counter to a condi engy is.

The thing about 100b and the longbow ranger is, the longbow ranger attacks will land unlike the 100b warrior where the enemy can move out of the way, also the 100b takes a long time to complete unlike the longbow ranger quick and nasty burst.

Lastly, those engineers in those pictures are scrubs, hence why the people that showed those pictures showed the start of the game because at the end of the game, the engi’s lost.

Its only a small handful amount of engineers that can be annoying. The kind that will let you decap as long as they get to kill you kind.
Players who leave node to reset themselves I find are very good, bad players will try to keep the node from decap and die in the process. At end of day, its all about who dies and who lives.

problem with LB rangers are their “use everything + entangle”.

For me it’s quite a stupid combo, because even with 2 condi removal u won’t remove immobilize and before you’l destroy roots, your hp is at bottom.

Pretty stupid combo, if you can even call it a combo.

You are a pathetic person who gets wrecked by these classes, then you say how easy it is to play them but you can’t even kill a kitten if you try.
I have mained ele since launch so i know what i’m saying that ele in its current state is balanced and it’s not easy to win against someone who knows ele skills
Note: i wreck most people including celestial eles with my none celestial none strengh runes none water none evasive arcana staff build in 1v1 situations.

I agree with most of what OP is saying.

Celestial amulet is for the “jack of all trades” classes Engi and Ele… But the devs are very kind to these classes for some reason (wink dev mains wink). The idea for “jack of all trades classes” is that they can do lots of stuff but fall short of being strong in a single suit… only.. with cele and boon stacking they are simply the BEST at EVERYTHING.

Like boon stacking plus an amulet which provides a blanket stat boost (with more stat allowance than any other amulet btw) and then pile on their boons they are easily the most..

Tankiest
Sustainiest
Deepiest
CCest
Condiest
Mobilest
Etc’est

Classes in the game.
What I’m upset about.. is that EVERY class in the game can use might. Can use sigil of battle.. Only 2 classes have been abusing might and other boons (comparatively) so…. Why the HELL do you nerf might across the board?

I don’t remember might stacking being a problem on necros… So why did necros get a nerf to might?

I don’t remember might stacking being a problem on thieves… So why did thieves get a nerf to might?

Celestial Ele will be nerfed. Most players will finally be happy now for the age of elementalist will pass.
I am very curious to see what profession will players complain about, after January 27.

Roll back to Skyhammer topic…
Oh wait, it’s not in Ranked……
Then Trebuchet in Battle of Khylo.

2OPNerf2015Must

Ele is not OP at all, Most eles played are just good, anyone good at their class people assume need a nerf or are OP.
especially considering that at one point literally the only thing an ele could run was bunker, and every other class did it all better so ele had no place- You can still 1 shot an ele.
only thing that needs a nerf is anyones attitude that says eles are OP

I just dont understand why people are QQing saying eles are op? is it because noone likes a skilled ele? Because when people see eles they think the kill should be easy?
I don’t see anything op about eles- any class that is played well people seem to think needs a nerf. Considering all eles literally were used for were bunkers or zerk staffs & any decent thief could just 1 shot them. Eles are nowhere as OP as they were @ start- Eles dont need a nerf. Your attitude does.

Chasind.3128:

Ele is not OP at all, Most eles played are just good, anyone good at their class people assume need a nerf or are OP.
especially considering that at one point literally the only thing an ele could run was bunker, and every other class did it all better so ele had no place- You can still 1 shot an ele.
only thing that needs a nerf is anyones attitude that says eles are OP

I totally agree with this. Unfortunately most players do not see games this way; they complain on forums providing feedback for easy changes on complex professions.

Elementalist was not overpowered but it will be nerfed, weather we like it or not. It happened before, it happens again (old pvp players know it). As players we have to deal with it, accept the change, and move on to some other profession buffed and easy to play.

Hahah this thread is comical.

But that is to be expected from an OP with so much noobRAGE!!!!