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Posted by: Kreedz.8127

Kreedz.8127

Up until a week ago, I was enjoying the game in its entirety, doing some WvW here, little SPvP there, leveling some alts, etc…

But at some point, I have become sour, and angry…

And I am mostly angry at myself, because had I stuck with my original choice of Guardian, I might be in a comfortable and happy little place right now.

But no, I thought I might ‘stick with what I know’, because I have always played the Traditional Warrior class in every MMO that has come out in Recent years, I ignored my better judgement knowing that the Warrior class has always come with problems, not just in GW2.

In WoW we always got kited and stunlocked.

In SWTOR the Trooper was a fairly sub-par PvP option.

In WAR the Black Orc didnt quite live up to their tanky-ness.

And so the cycle continues it seems, yet I can’t stop myself from loving my Warrior.

It’s also become quite apparent that Warriors have no place in PvP purely because of the fact that they lack any sort of long term survivability outside of Endure Pain & Shield Stance, and that most of our Burst options require some sort of big animation which can be spotted and dodged or have a travel-time associated with it that is mitigated by slows & snares, not to mention that all our gap-closers are buggy as hell and will either fall short, overshoot, or worse yet; completely bug out and ‘stutter’ me back to my original position.

Some of those bugs I can deal with, and I am sure they are being addressed by the dev team in one form or another.

But this all culminates back to this sour feeling I have right now of being useless, unwanted, and outclassed by other professions in every aspect of the game.

So when I see Hot-Join flooded with Thieves, Mesmers and the odd Guardian or two, it only further exacerbates this depressing feeling I have right now.

The problem with the current Meta, for both SPvP and TPvP, is that; Unless some serious changes are made to address glaring imbalances that some classes are showcasing, then its going to get harder and harder for the Meta to evolve when the precedent has been set so early in the games life.

I don’t want to quit GW2, and I don’t want to reroll.

Just this once, I want my Warrior to feel useful and not be a burden to my team because they have this resenting feeling that they could do better with another class…

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Posted by: Hellkaiser.6025

Hellkaiser.6025

I’m guessing that you’re running a 100b warrior? cos you don’t really state and “gap closers” could be anything from bull rush to eviscerate etc

here’s a clue, if you’re running an offensive based warrior, quickness or gt*o…

Irony…. xD

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Posted by: Daays.4317

Daays.4317

First, warriors aren’t bad. They’re the best support DPS in the game. Their TTK is faster than any other class, sitting at 2.5 seconds because of their pocket burst abilities.

But I don’t understand. You don’t want to “reroll” in a game where you can pick up any profession at any time and play it?

This isn’t WoW. This isn’t SWTOR. This isn’t RIFT. Barrier to entry is non-existent in GW2.

Rerolling doesn’t apply. You don’t spend anytime leveling and gearing up. You just swap characters and play.

You should be able to multi-class.

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Posted by: Kreedz.8127

Kreedz.8127

I run Greatsword/Hammer, 10/10/30/0/20, which works fine for pub stomping and lets me ‘manage’ 1v2 for quite a while. But I can’t take that into TPvP because a Dueling Spec like that wouldnt last very long against a BS Thief and doesnt stand much of a chance against a Bunker Guardian who can mitigate my CC/Burst.

I will agree that Warriors make good Supportive DPS, but with the current Meta it serves no role in a team. Mesmers make better Roamers, Thieves focus fire faster, Guardians/Engi Bunker better.

The games has devolved into 3 (4 if you count the rare Conditionmancer) classes.

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Posted by: Deer.1890

Deer.1890

I would agree that a warrior has no place in SPVP, but that can be said for any class outside of the only 3 viable classes( Thief Guardian and Mez). I do have to disagree with WvW play though. My team runs a very heavy high burst team of 3-5 players, with almost always 2 warriors.

I run Great Sword and either Rifle(nice ranged bust and double slow with Chill sigil) Bow( 5 second immobilize late in a fight is pretty beast and the AOE helps with cheating invis thieves) or Sword and War horn(once again mobility slows and perma movement buff between the horn and your elite). Besides the fact you have to run a GS for huge burst damage, try other combo’s out that might help you out in the world.

Warriors are nowhere near worthless in WvW.

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Posted by: Kreedz.8127

Kreedz.8127


First, warriors aren’t bad. They’re the best support DPS in the game. Their TTK is faster than any other class, sitting at 2.5 seconds because of their pocket burst abilities.

But I don’t understand. You don’t want to “reroll” in a game where you can pick up any profession at any time and play it?

This isn’t WoW. This isn’t SWTOR. This isn’t RIFT. Barrier to entry is non-existent in GW2.

Rerolling doesn’t apply. You don’t spend anytime leveling and gearing up. You just swap characters and play.

You should be able to multi-class.

My point is that I shouldn’t have to reroll another class to be a viable team mate in comps. There’s definitely something wrong when Hot-Join and TPvP is full of Thieves and Mesmers.

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Posted by: ehtom.5047

ehtom.5047

Team PZ have been running with warriors and they are currently undefeated in paid.

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Posted by: Noctred.6732

Noctred.6732

Kreedz.8127

My point is that I shouldn’t have to reroll another class to be a viable team mate in comps.

You don’t.

Warriors aren’t really the best class in the game, but they’re viable in a variety of comps and – as mentioned by another poster – PZ runs a warrior regularly and they have an absurdly high win rate in both frees and paids.

Some of you guys really need to look inward instead of blaming everything on whatever the meta is at any given point in time. Go watch some streams or something if you can’t figure it out for yourself.

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Posted by: NevirSayDie.6235

NevirSayDie.6235

My humble opinion is that this is due to lackluster performance of balanced builds in general. Seems most “balanced” builds don’t have enough defense/utility to survive bursts, and don’t have enough dps/burst to get a bunker down.

I’ve seen a lot of great warriors play an essential role in their team, it just isn’t usually sustained dps like you seem to be going for. That said, warriors are not one of the current “mandatory” professions for tournaments.

In other news, even if you’re just asking a simple, reasonable question, don’t be surprised if you hear multiple “L2P” rants thrown your way. Seems to be the new way to show other gamerz that ur l33t.

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Posted by: Hellkaiser.6025

Hellkaiser.6025

you’ll also see a lot of thieves because of the low skillcap of heartseeker spam
mesmers because, HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT A SHATTER BUILD CAN BRING?

and the odd guardian cos bunkers are cool these days…

Irony…. xD

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Posted by: Braxxus.2904

Braxxus.2904

You’re not alone. At least on the forums a very large % of the warrior population on the boards feels very disappointed in warriors as a class. Sometimes it’s not so much performance as presentation because many people just don’t care about Tourneys or have flat given up on using a warrior for tourney play. I’m in the second camp. Anything a warrior can do in a tourney comp another class could do as well, and far far better.

Anyways like you I have a thing for the “warrior” class in every MMO (WoW was a prot warrior for 6 years, War I ran a chosen because it was the closest to stance dancing and SWToR I ran a knight because it was a prot warrior with a light saber).

I run sword and board + longbow currently because I like sword n’ board as a style. In PvE I can have fun on my warrior and feel like I contribute. In WvWvW I can roam around and feel like I’m not totally kittened. I would never ever EVER subject a team to my warriors presence in a tourney and drag them down. Especially with sword and board and even more especially with a longbow. It’s just pointless. So I bring something else in tourney play that actually deserves to be there as a class (usually my ele because of the stance dancing mechanic which I enjoy).

TLDR
Hang in there man. If you have to run tourneys I suggest finding a viable class to play since you don’t have to level it and keep your warrior for PvE and W3. At least until something is done to overhaul the warrior class for tourney viability.

In other news, even if you’re just asking a simple, reasonable question, don’t be surprised if you hear multiple “L2P” rants thrown your way. Seems to be the new way to show other gamerz that ur l33t.

^

Also this..

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Posted by: Noctred.6732

Noctred.6732

Braxxus.2904

Anything a warrior can do in a tourney comp another class could do as well, and far far better.

I always find these comments hilarious cause if you look through the ele forum, you’ll see people claiming the same thing there. If you look through the ranger forum, same thing. Even people on the necro forum say the same thing occasionally.

Logic tells me the classes in question aren’t the problem.

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Posted by: Braxxus.2904

Braxxus.2904

Noctred

Ele…..ranger…..necro……

Wait! You mean to say the non guardians, non mesmers, non thief classes feel like they’re underperforming in PvP and especially tourney play? Noooooo

That’s just… unbelievable for sure man.

:)

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Posted by: Noctred.6732

Noctred.6732

Noctred

Ele…..ranger…..necro……

Wait! You mean to say the non guardians, non mesmers, non thief classes feel like they’re underperforming in PvP and especially tourney play? Noooooo

That’s just… unbelievable for sure man.

:)

Don’t twist my words around sir.

Point is simple – people playing multiple classes all complain that their class blows and any other class does anything they can do, only better. Logic states that the players are primarily the problem, since multiple classes obviously can’t be the worst at everything at the same time.

In short – l2p.

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Posted by: havoc.6814

havoc.6814

Noctred

Ele…..ranger…..necro……

Wait! You mean to say the non guardians, non mesmers, non thief classes feel like they’re underperforming in PvP and especially tourney play? Noooooo

That’s just… unbelievable for sure man.

:)

Don’t twist my words around sir.

Point is simple – people playing multiple classes all complain that their class blows and any other class does anything they can do, only better. Logic states that the players are primarily the problem, since multiple classes obviously can’t be the worst at everything at the same time.

In short – l2p.

l2p? Are you serious? Obviously he is right in what he posted, and obviously you can’t deal with it. Saying “l2p” is basically just saying “I don’t have a valid argument.” Why bother even posting?

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Posted by: Noctred.6732

Noctred.6732

I made an argument – l2p was just the summary.

You should probably re-read the posts, thoroughly.

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Posted by: Yukishiro.8792

Yukishiro.8792

No offense but your original whine sorta shows what you problem is. Anyone who thinks warriors were bad in wow or vanguard were bad in SWTOR is most likely their own biggest problem.

Based on those comments you would feel useless and outclassed no matter what class you play.

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Posted by: Ashanor.5319

Ashanor.5319

In WoW we always got kited and stunlocked.

In SWTOR the Trooper was a fairly sub-par PvP option.

In WAR the Black Orc didnt quite live up to their tanky-ness.

Warriors in WoW were one of the best PvP options for the majority of the games life. A Trooper Vanguard was one of the strongest classes in TOR, were you a Commando or something? Black Orcs weren’t tanky? Tell that to the Shadow Warriors who couldn’t take them down. The only class that could reliably kill them were Bright Wizards, and we all know what happened to Bright Wizards 3 months into release.

Maybe the problem here is you. Alright, so Black Orc might not be the best tank in WAR, but the other classes you played were some of the best classes in those games for PvP.

I don’t have much problem on my Warrior. I play Hammer/Axe/Mace in a hybrid tanky-dps spec.

There are a few issues with Warrior in this game. Some of the attacks obviously need a faster animation so they aren’t so easily dodged, but other than that Warriors are in a pretty good place.

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Posted by: Shukran.4851

Shukran.4851

try to test changing traits, runes and weapons , playstyle and stuff like that. warriors are very good melee dps in tpvp, you just need to learn what you can do and what you can’t do with your class.
thoery craft is nice..

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Posted by: Ashanor.5319

Ashanor.5319

Oh, I also want to add that I have been invited to two different tPvP teams after they saw my performance in sPvP on Warrior (after they were on the receiving end). Warrior really isn’t as bad as people would have you believe.

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Posted by: SamTheGuardian.2938

SamTheGuardian.2938

So sad to hear three professions are dominating sPvP. The fact that this has happened shows how poorly the professions have been balanced for head to head team play. The outcome of course will be a rebalancing of the professions breaking builds and play strategies on the PvE side of the game to balance on PvP side. We don’t need to go down this road for months or years. ANet please do what you did in GW1 and have the option to make certain skills behave a bit differently in PvP

I know the grand vision was that all professions would be balanced, but the meta proves this isn’t the case.

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Posted by: kidbs.8920

kidbs.8920

Honestly I think the problem is more the fault of the spvp game designs. All of the maps are designed around holding points. So of course this encourages builds that can take a beating and just bunker down in a certain spot.

They need to start introducing new spvp mechanics that encourage other builds and comps. Maybe capture the flag and kill the other team’s lord type of fights.

SoR – Nethernoz (Necro), Zealot of Pain (Guardian), William The Butcher (Ranger)

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Posted by: Odaman.8359

Odaman.8359

I have yet to see a class that can’t compete in spvp. Ranger feels a bit on the weaker side but I play all class in tpvp and with the exception of ranger i didn’t feel that any class can do better. Mesmer and thief are on the strong side… but by no means are they the only classes in spvp that are viable. This is a l2p issue, as one of the previous posters said when referencing your comments about previous games…. it was painfully obvious that you aren’t playing well or you just don’t fit well with the playstyle of the classes you listed.

Warrior is fine, they just can’t be played like a pubstomper in tournamentsj if you want to do well.

Odaman 80 Mesmer
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