Guild Wars 2

This is how I foresee the leagues system being abused if the tiers are not mmr based.

1. Purposely lose to drop significant mmr
2. Win streak to next league tier
3. Repeat

Please please please make the tiers mmr based or this will happen.

Don’t you think you will only be paired up with people in the same tier, and mmr won’t factor in as much? That way losing a bunch means you won’t win any easier. You also will have a hard time getting to the top this way since near the top, losing drops you tiers.

If you make it MMR based then people’s tiers can change without them playing, since MMR deteriorates over time and other people can build MMR while you aren’t playing.

If you are worried about players gaming the tiers via MMR drops just knock them down tiers if they lose too much.

That all said ANet hasn’t released the details of their system. In the past they put the details on the wiki for the community to find the weak points. I’d wait for that before judging things given minimal information.

The true question is how many pips you need to reach the legendary division. Because if they talk about a reset every season, you need to farm X pips everytime to climb every divisions and try to enter in the legendary divisions.

What legendary division will mean? You grinded 40 games/daily to try to enter there?

or You simply have a good full premade and you can reach the same division in half of time?

Soloer with no team and no more than 2-3 hours daily can get only a mid tier level, doesn’t matter if they are super good?

Eurantien.4632:

Don’t you think you will only be paired up with people in the same tier, and mmr won’t factor in as much? That way losing a bunch means you won’t win any easier. You also will have a hard time getting to the top this way since near the top, losing drops you tiers.

No my guess is that the Pips and tiers will have nothing to do with matchmaking. I’m assuming the current matchmaking will be in place so even if your not high mmr you just have to beat other not high mmr people so you still have the same opportunity to get legendary as top tier mmr.

Pairing high variance mmr will just make for even worse matchmaking and because you can’t drop tiers people who get carried enough will gradually end up where they don’t belong and get stuck there.

If it was mmr based then you could drop tiers and I would be okay with that, that’s how it should be the tier should be a representation of your skill level not farm dedication…

And you wouldn’t drop mmr by not playing your variance of your rating would increase so the next time you play your games count more to solidify any decay in your level of play.

Eurantien.4632:

Don’t you think you will only be paired up with people in the same tier, and mmr won’t factor in as much? That way losing a bunch means you won’t win any easier. You also will have a hard time getting to the top this way since near the top, losing drops you tiers.

The blogpost said you can have matchups between divisions though. You’ll be able to win a pip if you get a good score even if you lose, just like the current system.

butch.8136:

Eurantien.4632:

Don’t you think you will only be paired up with people in the same tier, and mmr won’t factor in as much? That way losing a bunch means you won’t win any easier. You also will have a hard time getting to the top this way since near the top, losing drops you tiers.

The blogpost said you can have matchups between divisions though. You’ll be able to win a pip if you get a good score even if you lose, just like the current system.

Yes, so if the divisions are a mix of all ranges of MMR. And you still are only fighting in your own MMR to climb. And you can’t fall past certain points. What’s stopping you from artificially lowering your mmr to get easy stomp streaks to climb to the next point you cant fall past? You need to be able to fall out of tiers, which would then relate tiers to MMR which is a good thing.

There’s also the issue of win trading.

Shockwave.1230:

If you make it MMR based then people’s tiers can change without them playing, since MMR deteriorates over time and other people can build MMR while you aren’t playing.

If you are worried about players gaming the tiers via MMR drops just knock them down tiers if they lose too much.

That all said ANet hasn’t released the details of their system. In the past they put the details on the wiki for the community to find the weak points. I’d wait for that before judging things given minimal information.

MMR does not change overtime, you can quit for 2 years and come back and have the same rating. The only thing that changes is the leader board ranking. That one of the perks of this game, it used to be amazing until they made it pretty much impossible to stay high on the leader boards unless you play for over 4 hours a day in PvP.

Eurantien.4632:

Don’t you think you will only be paired up with people in the same tier, and mmr won’t factor in as much? That way losing a bunch means you won’t win any easier. You also will have a hard time getting to the top this way since near the top, losing drops you tiers.

Anet will never limit the pairing to the same tier. If you did, be prepared for wait times far far longer than what we have now. Already they didn’t want to create a solo q for fear of splitting the PvP population. Restricting matches to people of the same tier is tantamount to creating 20 different queues.

In other words, not going to happen.

ohh.. so you can get sparkle dresses without being good at pvp…………..who cares pver.. if you want to play the game to make your pixl doll shine and look pretty.. go for it.. you already have the advantage of pve.. where you can get all the good stuff while being horrid at the game.

zaxon.6819:

ohh.. so you can get sparkle dresses without being good at pvp…………..who cares pver.. if you want to play the game to make your pixl doll shine and look pretty.. go for it.. you already have the advantage of pve.. where you can get all the good stuff while being horrid at the game.

+10

Just make it so you can’t gain anything if your MMR is too low relative to your league. It’s how League does it, sort of.