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Posted by: Vapour.7348

Vapour.7348

Plural, more than one thief in my team. It usually ends in a loss unless the other team has a similar amount. I’ve had more success with other classes stacking but thieves always end up in a loss.

This is for ranked solo queue. And what bothers me is that a lot of thieves haven’t realized that having more than one in the team is a liability. And that they hardly ever bother to swap.

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Posted by: Haleydawn.3764

Haleydawn.3764

Most of my matches with double thieves end in a win. Maybe I’m lucky…
Personally you forfeit right to complain about team comp if you queue solo. MMR should be fixed yes, but if you don’t want bad profession stacking then form a team to queue with. That is the solotion to your problem.

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Posted by: Vapour.7348

Vapour.7348

Nope you’re wrong, the more thieves, the greater chance of losing. I admire really good thieves but there are far too few of those. Most are bad.

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Posted by: Haleydawn.3764

Haleydawn.3764

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

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Posted by: uhohhotdog.3598

uhohhotdog.3598

I think I’ll be playing nothing but thief tonight and tomorrow. Maybe get some friends and have a 5 thief team

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Posted by: Furious.2867

Furious.2867

I won with another thief on my team. All I can say is that my teammates carried me hard.

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Posted by: Ravenmoon.5318

Ravenmoon.5318

I’ve won with 3 thieves in the team. Totally rekt the enemy and outrotated them. Only bunkers can stop good thieves and the enemy team had only 1 and we were ganking him

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Posted by: Ross Biddle.2367

Ross Biddle.2367

Plural, more than one thief in my team. It usually ends in a loss unless the other team has a similar amount. I’ve had more success with other classes stacking but thieves always end up in a loss.

This is for ranked solo queue. And what bothers me is that a lot of thieves haven’t realized that having more than one in the team is a liability. And that they hardly ever bother to swap.

I made this video for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPeVAYRXcMo

6:14 if you just want to see the final scores ;D

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Posted by: Furious.2867

Furious.2867

If people in my team give me a hard time for being a thief, I annoy them even more by putting on stealth while they cap. I laugh coz they rage like they’re on ’roids.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Posted by: Supreme.3164

Supreme.3164

To blame the profession when it’s clearly the player the one at fault, a team of noobs will lose regardless of what they play

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Posted by: Vapour.7348

Vapour.7348

To blame the profession when it’s clearly the player the one at fault, a team of noobs will lose regardless of what they play

Yes I blame the profession especially if it’s stacked, like thieves. I don’t know what tier you play at but I queue solo and have many times fought along and against tarcis, toker, backpack, oe, caed, acandis when they 2-3 party queue.

In higher tiers where you get matches that are tighter and closer, 2 thieves = liability.

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Posted by: Lethal Stranger.5093

Lethal Stranger.5093

Eh, it kinda depends on the enemy composition imo. If the other team is heavy on Mesmers or Necros for example I don’t mind the extra thief.
But yeah, it’s frustrating to see 2 medi guards on the other side and being stuck with multiple thieves who refused to reroll. (unless they’re really really good, which often isn’t the case)

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Posted by: Extreme.8350

Extreme.8350

Only one time have i seen double theif team win that was on khylo before the teleport nerf and they were premades otherwise its always the losing team always.

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Posted by: bhagwad.4281

bhagwad.4281

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

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Posted by: choovanski.5462

choovanski.5462

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

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Posted by: bhagwad.4281

bhagwad.4281

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

What would you call it if not an unfair advantage over those players who don’t team up? Does teaming up require skill? No. So by definition, the advantage is unfair.

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Posted by: lighter.2708

lighter.2708

you mean like you hate zerkers, right?

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Posted by: Sneakier.9460

Sneakier.9460

When i play thief and i get a 2nd thief in my team its a joy, we basicly become best buddies and 2vs1 anything we find across the map.
Very few classes can have a chance against 2 d/p zerkers…

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Posted by: Lordrosicky.5813

Lordrosicky.5813

Thieves counter everything because of their interrupts and huge damage, and massive mobility and really hard to evade.

That is why its funny when mesmers qq about thieves countering them. Like join the club :P If you dont have high armour a thief will wreck you

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Posted by: Gern.2978

Gern.2978

I honestly have been PvPing on nothing but my thief for weeks now. It’s far more of a challenge than other classes that I have PvP’d on. And it has a very high reward to counterbalance the high risk of full zerk, unlike most other classes I have tried.

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Posted by: T raw.4658

T raw.4658

double thieves does suck but normally if there are two i adjust my build to 1vX far all game long

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Posted by: Drennon.7190

Drennon.7190

I don’t know what tier you play at but I queue solo and have many times fought along and against tarcis, toker, backpack, oe, caed, acandis when they 2-3 party queue.

This made me laugh really hard. This does not mean you’re good.. At all… You do realize that this system will take people with low MMR and place them on a team with high MMR players? This is done in order to tank their overall MMR, so that matchmaking can find them “even” matches.

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

What would you call it if not an unfair advantage over those players who don’t team up? Does teaming up require skill? No. So by definition, the advantage is unfair.

Yes it requires social skills. Also cheating is breaking the rules not just creating an unfair advantage. Speedhacks are cheating, forming a party is not. By your definition all those guys who fought in real wars from fortified positions were cheating.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

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Posted by: bhagwad.4281

bhagwad.4281

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

What would you call it if not an unfair advantage over those players who don’t team up? Does teaming up require skill? No. So by definition, the advantage is unfair.

Yes it requires social skills. Also cheating is breaking the rules not just creating an unfair advantage. Speedhacks are cheating, forming a party is not. By your definition all those guys who fought in real wars from fortified positions were cheating.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

If the other side didn’t have fortified positions to begin with, then yes o course it’s cheating. With the difference that in real war, cheating is allowed. Forming a pre-made team going up against non-premades? That’s just a very low thing to do.

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

What would you call it if not an unfair advantage over those players who don’t team up? Does teaming up require skill? No. So by definition, the advantage is unfair.

Yes it requires social skills. Also cheating is breaking the rules not just creating an unfair advantage. Speedhacks are cheating, forming a party is not. By your definition all those guys who fought in real wars from fortified positions were cheating.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

If the other side didn’t have fortified positions to begin with, then yes o course it’s cheating. With the difference that in real war, cheating is allowed. Forming a pre-made team going up against non-premades? That’s just a very low thing to do.

No, it’s not cheating because cheating is breaking the rules. War doesn’t have rules so there is no cheating. The game only ques as it ques. Forming a party or not and how it matches you is up to the algorithm not the players pressing the button to que up. This whole notion of it being cheating is based on breaking rules you have artificially created in your own head.

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Posted by: smug.3895

smug.3895

And that they hardly ever bother to swap.

Wasn’t it confirmed by the devs that even if you swap before the match begins, the swapper gets an automatic loss (and dishonor if it gets implemented)? Not only that, if the person was in a party (not team), then the whole party gets penalized. The reason was that the matchmaking takes classes and MMR of a player playing with that class into account.

So… you can’t reasonably expect someone to swap.

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Posted by: choban.9027

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Wasn’t it confirmed by the devs that even if you swap before the match begins, the swapper gets an automatic loss (and dishonor if it gets implemented)? Not only that, if the person was in a party (not team), then the whole team gets penalized. The reason was that the matchmaking takes classes and MMR of a player playing with that class into account.

So… you can’t reasonably expect someone to swap.

Nah..they changed that (at least for this last test season). Basically you have 1m period to change your class without being punished, but not sure if that’s gonna stay in the future…

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Posted by: bhagwad.4281

bhagwad.4281

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

What would you call it if not an unfair advantage over those players who don’t team up? Does teaming up require skill? No. So by definition, the advantage is unfair.

Yes it requires social skills. Also cheating is breaking the rules not just creating an unfair advantage. Speedhacks are cheating, forming a party is not. By your definition all those guys who fought in real wars from fortified positions were cheating.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

If the other side didn’t have fortified positions to begin with, then yes o course it’s cheating. With the difference that in real war, cheating is allowed. Forming a pre-made team going up against non-premades? That’s just a very low thing to do.

No, it’s not cheating because cheating is breaking the rules. War doesn’t have rules so there is no cheating. The game only ques as it ques. Forming a party or not and how it matches you is up to the algorithm not the players pressing the button to que up. This whole notion of it being cheating is based on breaking rules you have artificially created in your own head.

Nuh uh. Let’s look at VoIP chat. The game doesn’t allow that functionality inbuilt does it? So by resorting to an external third party VoIP tool, you are garnering an unfair advantage beyond the confines of the game. Much like a macro.

I guess you’re saying that me using macros to speed things up would be ok then right?

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Posted by: Oslaf Beinir.5842

Oslaf Beinir.5842

try stacked mesmers or rangers on your team…that is a nightmare on point

would rather a stack of thieves instead

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

What would you call it if not an unfair advantage over those players who don’t team up? Does teaming up require skill? No. So by definition, the advantage is unfair.

Yes it requires social skills. Also cheating is breaking the rules not just creating an unfair advantage. Speedhacks are cheating, forming a party is not. By your definition all those guys who fought in real wars from fortified positions were cheating.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

If the other side didn’t have fortified positions to begin with, then yes o course it’s cheating. With the difference that in real war, cheating is allowed. Forming a pre-made team going up against non-premades? That’s just a very low thing to do.

No, it’s not cheating because cheating is breaking the rules. War doesn’t have rules so there is no cheating. The game only ques as it ques. Forming a party or not and how it matches you is up to the algorithm not the players pressing the button to que up. This whole notion of it being cheating is based on breaking rules you have artificially created in your own head.

Nuh uh. Let’s look at VoIP chat. The game doesn’t allow that functionality inbuilt does it? So by resorting to an external third party VoIP tool, you are garnering an unfair advantage beyond the confines of the game. Much like a macro.

I guess you’re saying that me using macros to speed things up would be ok then right?

Your premise is flawed on the assumption that having a party means being on VoIP. Which it doesn’t because not everyone partied up is using VoIP.

Still to answer your question is no it’s not cheating. The developers of them game know that people will use VoIP when they party PvP. I mean that’s pretty much a given, duh. As far as using a macro goes. I don’t really see how a macro will help you win at PvP. I mean, it’s pretty much 15 buttons that each do a single thing. If you want to use a macro to execute a combo of those key presses they do have gaming keyboards that have single press programmable macro buttons. Another thing I’m sure the game developers knew existed. I guess you could use it for typing stuff into team chat. I also did see one guy running a macro and it didn’t exactly make him OP.

As far as I am concerned using a macro to speed things up is no more cheating than having a better computer, faster internet connection or using a gaming mouse for better precision and speed.

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Posted by: Haleydawn.3764

Haleydawn.3764

When i play thief and i get a 2nd thief in my team its a joy, we basicly become best buddies and 2vs1 anything we find across the map.
Very few classes can have a chance against 2 d/p zerkers…

Now that’s EXACTLY what I do, and that’s what GOOD thieves will do.
I think the OP was just miffed by bad players IMO.

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Posted by: bhagwad.4281

bhagwad.4281

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

What would you call it if not an unfair advantage over those players who don’t team up? Does teaming up require skill? No. So by definition, the advantage is unfair.

Yes it requires social skills. Also cheating is breaking the rules not just creating an unfair advantage. Speedhacks are cheating, forming a party is not. By your definition all those guys who fought in real wars from fortified positions were cheating.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

If the other side didn’t have fortified positions to begin with, then yes o course it’s cheating. With the difference that in real war, cheating is allowed. Forming a pre-made team going up against non-premades? That’s just a very low thing to do.

No, it’s not cheating because cheating is breaking the rules. War doesn’t have rules so there is no cheating. The game only ques as it ques. Forming a party or not and how it matches you is up to the algorithm not the players pressing the button to que up. This whole notion of it being cheating is based on breaking rules you have artificially created in your own head.

Nuh uh. Let’s look at VoIP chat. The game doesn’t allow that functionality inbuilt does it? So by resorting to an external third party VoIP tool, you are garnering an unfair advantage beyond the confines of the game. Much like a macro.

I guess you’re saying that me using macros to speed things up would be ok then right?

Your premise is flawed on the assumption that having a party means being on VoIP. Which it doesn’t because not everyone partied up is using VoIP.

Still to answer your question is no it’s not cheating. The developers of them game know that people will use VoIP when they party PvP. I mean that’s pretty much a given, duh. As far as using a macro goes. I don’t really see how a macro will help you win at PvP. I mean, it’s pretty much 15 buttons that each do a single thing. If you want to use a macro to execute a combo of those key presses they do have gaming keyboards that have single press programmable macro buttons. Another thing I’m sure the game developers knew existed. I guess you could use it for typing stuff into team chat. I also did see one guy running a macro and it didn’t exactly make him OP.

As far as I am concerned using a macro to speed things up is no more cheating than having a better computer, faster internet connection or using a gaming mouse for better precision and speed.

No, macros are against the Terms and Conditions of Anet – like in the earlier days years ago, I remember thieves used to pull of insane combos too fast for a normal human being to do the same.

And I think it’s pretty clear that if the developers wanted people to talk to one another they would have offered a VoIP service – even for soloq so that teammates can talk to each other.

From a logical point of view, there is no difference between VoIP and a macro. Both are outside the regular tools provided in-game and constitute an unfair advantage.

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

What would you call it if not an unfair advantage over those players who don’t team up? Does teaming up require skill? No. So by definition, the advantage is unfair.

Yes it requires social skills. Also cheating is breaking the rules not just creating an unfair advantage. Speedhacks are cheating, forming a party is not. By your definition all those guys who fought in real wars from fortified positions were cheating.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

If the other side didn’t have fortified positions to begin with, then yes o course it’s cheating. With the difference that in real war, cheating is allowed. Forming a pre-made team going up against non-premades? That’s just a very low thing to do.

No, it’s not cheating because cheating is breaking the rules. War doesn’t have rules so there is no cheating. The game only ques as it ques. Forming a party or not and how it matches you is up to the algorithm not the players pressing the button to que up. This whole notion of it being cheating is based on breaking rules you have artificially created in your own head.

Nuh uh. Let’s look at VoIP chat. The game doesn’t allow that functionality inbuilt does it? So by resorting to an external third party VoIP tool, you are garnering an unfair advantage beyond the confines of the game. Much like a macro.

I guess you’re saying that me using macros to speed things up would be ok then right?

Your premise is flawed on the assumption that having a party means being on VoIP. Which it doesn’t because not everyone partied up is using VoIP.

Still to answer your question is no it’s not cheating. The developers of them game know that people will use VoIP when they party PvP. I mean that’s pretty much a given, duh. As far as using a macro goes. I don’t really see how a macro will help you win at PvP. I mean, it’s pretty much 15 buttons that each do a single thing. If you want to use a macro to execute a combo of those key presses they do have gaming keyboards that have single press programmable macro buttons. Another thing I’m sure the game developers knew existed. I guess you could use it for typing stuff into team chat. I also did see one guy running a macro and it didn’t exactly make him OP.

As far as I am concerned using a macro to speed things up is no more cheating than having a better computer, faster internet connection or using a gaming mouse for better precision and speed.

No, macros are against the Terms and Conditions of Anet – like in the earlier days years ago, I remember thieves used to pull of insane combos too fast for a normal human being to do the same.

And I think it’s pretty clear that if the developers wanted people to talk to one another they would have offered a VoIP service – even for soloq so that teammates can talk to each other.

From a logical point of view, there is no difference between VoIP and a macro. Both are outside the regular tools provided in-game and constitute an unfair advantage.

I have never used macros so I don’t know much about them and them being disallowed in the Terms of Service. As far as VoIP goes them not providing a program for it doesn’t mean it is against the rules, elsewise they would have put that in the ToS as well. Either way QQ more about it scrub, I don’t care.

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Posted by: Vapour.7348

Vapour.7348

When i play thief and i get a 2nd thief in my team its a joy, we basicly become best buddies and 2vs1 anything we find across the map.
Very few classes can have a chance against 2 d/p zerkers…

Now that’s EXACTLY what I do, and that’s what GOOD thieves will do.
I think the OP was just miffed by bad players IMO.

I REST MY CASE. Using your scenario:
The two thieves are ganking an opponent off point meanwhile your teammates are fighting outnumbered on points. Then when they die, time is wasted on spawn and the remaining ones alive gets zerged and eventually points held are lost.

There’s not much you can contribute in a team fight because you are amongst the first to get downed. I’m not discounting the value of a good thief as they do well decapping far and keeping mesmers in check. But I think you are being dishonest with yourself if you feel 2 or more is good for your team.

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Posted by: bhagwad.4281

bhagwad.4281

If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
:)

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

What would you call it if not an unfair advantage over those players who don’t team up? Does teaming up require skill? No. So by definition, the advantage is unfair.

Yes it requires social skills. Also cheating is breaking the rules not just creating an unfair advantage. Speedhacks are cheating, forming a party is not. By your definition all those guys who fought in real wars from fortified positions were cheating.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

If the other side didn’t have fortified positions to begin with, then yes o course it’s cheating. With the difference that in real war, cheating is allowed. Forming a pre-made team going up against non-premades? That’s just a very low thing to do.

No, it’s not cheating because cheating is breaking the rules. War doesn’t have rules so there is no cheating. The game only ques as it ques. Forming a party or not and how it matches you is up to the algorithm not the players pressing the button to que up. This whole notion of it being cheating is based on breaking rules you have artificially created in your own head.

Nuh uh. Let’s look at VoIP chat. The game doesn’t allow that functionality inbuilt does it? So by resorting to an external third party VoIP tool, you are garnering an unfair advantage beyond the confines of the game. Much like a macro.

I guess you’re saying that me using macros to speed things up would be ok then right?

Your premise is flawed on the assumption that having a party means being on VoIP. Which it doesn’t because not everyone partied up is using VoIP.

Still to answer your question is no it’s not cheating. The developers of them game know that people will use VoIP when they party PvP. I mean that’s pretty much a given, duh. As far as using a macro goes. I don’t really see how a macro will help you win at PvP. I mean, it’s pretty much 15 buttons that each do a single thing. If you want to use a macro to execute a combo of those key presses they do have gaming keyboards that have single press programmable macro buttons. Another thing I’m sure the game developers knew existed. I guess you could use it for typing stuff into team chat. I also did see one guy running a macro and it didn’t exactly make him OP.

As far as I am concerned using a macro to speed things up is no more cheating than having a better computer, faster internet connection or using a gaming mouse for better precision and speed.

No, macros are against the Terms and Conditions of Anet – like in the earlier days years ago, I remember thieves used to pull of insane combos too fast for a normal human being to do the same.

And I think it’s pretty clear that if the developers wanted people to talk to one another they would have offered a VoIP service – even for soloq so that teammates can talk to each other.

From a logical point of view, there is no difference between VoIP and a macro. Both are outside the regular tools provided in-game and constitute an unfair advantage.

I have never used macros so I don’t know much about them and them being disallowed in the Terms of Service. As far as VoIP goes them not providing a program for it doesn’t mean it is against the rules, elsewise they would have put that in the ToS as well. Either way QQ more about it scrub, I don’t care.

So basically anything they omit makes it ethical to use? Everyone knew macros were wrong, even before Anet banned people and put it in their terms and conditions. You don’t wait to be explicitly told something before you stop doing it. Sometimes you just do the right thing.

And VoIP is as big – if not more – of an advantage than macros.

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Posted by: Aomine.5012

Aomine.5012

If people in my team give me a hard time for being a thief, I annoy them even more by putting on stealth while they cap. I laugh coz they rage like they’re on ’roids.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Really bad example of playing.
A rather childish action that facilitate people’s hatred even more.
I do see thieves troll like that in my team before, and I absolutely hate it, and think he’s so useless and immature.

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Posted by: Archon.6480

Archon.6480

Well, certainty some compositions can be weaker than others, for sure. Two glassy thieves can be countered rather easily if you think about it, but if, for example, the other team had three Rangers that turned out to be full on zerky pew pew, the thieves would be very welcome.

The Dark Side of the force is choosing the right counter just before the match starts. :-) ANet tried to ban class swapping before matches, but it was not received well, so join the dark side of the force and bring your anti-meta build with you.

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Posted by: Extreme.8350

Extreme.8350

Well, certainty some compositions can be weaker than others, for sure. Two glassy thieves can be countered rather easily if you think about it, but if, for example, the other team had three Rangers that turned out to be full on zerky pew pew, the thieves would be very welcome.

The Dark Side of the force is choosing the right counter just before the match starts. :-) ANet tried to ban class swapping before matches, but it was not received well, so join the dark side of the force and bring your anti-meta build with you.

No. Stacking glassy thieves is useless. Infact the best random team i had was 4 rangers and 1 warrior on foefire we won against premade they barely got to 100 points.
1 Ranger can kill a busy theif with 1 button.
U never played ranger if u think that make them very welcome.

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Posted by: Pimsley.3681

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I can relate with Extreme.8350 about the 4 ranger team.

Rangers annoyed me to no end when they got that buff last year so I ran a condi build to counter the dps builds.

My opinion on the ranger has changed dramatically because they seem to get the work done. This is a recent solo queued 4 ranger team I was in on my alt ranger. Granted, there are still a lot of inexperienced rangers but overall, they are reliable teammates.

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If you don’t want bad profession stacking, or bad players, form a team to queue with. For the second time.
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Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

Are you joking…

What would you call it if not an unfair advantage over those players who don’t team up? Does teaming up require skill? No. So by definition, the advantage is unfair.

Yes it requires social skills. Also cheating is breaking the rules not just creating an unfair advantage. Speedhacks are cheating, forming a party is not. By your definition all those guys who fought in real wars from fortified positions were cheating.

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If the other side didn’t have fortified positions to begin with, then yes o course it’s cheating. With the difference that in real war, cheating is allowed. Forming a pre-made team going up against non-premades? That’s just a very low thing to do.

No, it’s not cheating because cheating is breaking the rules. War doesn’t have rules so there is no cheating. The game only ques as it ques. Forming a party or not and how it matches you is up to the algorithm not the players pressing the button to que up. This whole notion of it being cheating is based on breaking rules you have artificially created in your own head.

Nuh uh. Let’s look at VoIP chat. The game doesn’t allow that functionality inbuilt does it? So by resorting to an external third party VoIP tool, you are garnering an unfair advantage beyond the confines of the game. Much like a macro.

I guess you’re saying that me using macros to speed things up would be ok then right?

Your premise is flawed on the assumption that having a party means being on VoIP. Which it doesn’t because not everyone partied up is using VoIP.

Still to answer your question is no it’s not cheating. The developers of them game know that people will use VoIP when they party PvP. I mean that’s pretty much a given, duh. As far as using a macro goes. I don’t really see how a macro will help you win at PvP. I mean, it’s pretty much 15 buttons that each do a single thing. If you want to use a macro to execute a combo of those key presses they do have gaming keyboards that have single press programmable macro buttons. Another thing I’m sure the game developers knew existed. I guess you could use it for typing stuff into team chat. I also did see one guy running a macro and it didn’t exactly make him OP.

As far as I am concerned using a macro to speed things up is no more cheating than having a better computer, faster internet connection or using a gaming mouse for better precision and speed.

No, macros are against the Terms and Conditions of Anet – like in the earlier days years ago, I remember thieves used to pull of insane combos too fast for a normal human being to do the same.

And I think it’s pretty clear that if the developers wanted people to talk to one another they would have offered a VoIP service – even for soloq so that teammates can talk to each other.

From a logical point of view, there is no difference between VoIP and a macro. Both are outside the regular tools provided in-game and constitute an unfair advantage.

I have never used macros so I don’t know much about them and them being disallowed in the Terms of Service. As far as VoIP goes them not providing a program for it doesn’t mean it is against the rules, elsewise they would have put that in the ToS as well. Either way QQ more about it scrub, I don’t care.

So basically anything they omit makes it ethical to use? Everyone knew macros were wrong, even before Anet banned people and put it in their terms and conditions. You don’t wait to be explicitly told something before you stop doing it. Sometimes you just do the right thing.

And VoIP is as big – if not more – of an advantage than macros.

Unethical… really? That’s funny. What makes it unethical?

Also, VoIP just cuts out typing but still does the same thing, communication. As far as knowing an increase is coming to a point just take a glance at the radar and see that. Hell most of the time people in VoIP are just talking bullkitten not actual game breaking strategy.

But you know what I think in unfair. Having a better computer and internet connection than me. Being less resistant due to having a better socio-economic position is unethical and unfair. What do you say to that?

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Posted by: Runewolf.8456

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stacking thieves only works when they know how to play and the enemy team isn’t bunkery as kitten problem is, both those scenarios are pretty unlikely.

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Posted by: Archon.6480

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Well, certainty some compositions can be weaker than others, for sure. Two glassy thieves can be countered rather easily if you think about it, but if, for example, the other team had three Rangers that turned out to be full on zerky pew pew, the thieves would be very welcome.

The Dark Side of the force is choosing the right counter just before the match starts. :-) ANet tried to ban class swapping before matches, but it was not received well, so join the dark side of the force and bring your anti-meta build with you.

No. Stacking glassy thieves is useless. Infact the best random team i had was 4 rangers and 1 warrior on foefire we won against premade they barely got to 100 points.
1 Ranger can kill a busy theif with 1 button.
U never played ranger if u think that make them very welcome.

You misunderstand. Ranger is all I play. Rangers are completely fine, and a skilled team could easily win with four rangers in the right circumstances. I was merely pointing out that thieves are the perfect counter to glassy pew pew bow rangers.

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Posted by: Archon.6480

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I can relate with Extreme.8350 about the 4 ranger team.

Rangers annoyed me to no end when they got that buff last year so I ran a condi build to counter the dps builds.

My opinion on the ranger has changed dramatically because they seem to get the work done. This is a recent solo queued 4 ranger team I was in on my alt ranger. Granted, there are still a lot of inexperienced rangers but overall, they are reliable teammates.

:) Especially Esparie! That little Sylvari is a master! (Take a look at the picture again):

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Posted by: Laraley.7695

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To blame the profession when it’s clearly the player the one at fault, a team of noobs will lose regardless of what they play

This is not true at all. You can play any current celestial spec and be sort of effective for your team while playing thief with the same skill level will be much worse option for you. Playing thief right is not easy, but the class is attractive, hence why you get two or more thieves on your team from time to time. However, having two thieves is not always bad, having two inexperienced is.

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Posted by: Laraley.7695

Laraley.7695

I can relate with Extreme.8350 about the 4 ranger team.

Rangers annoyed me to no end when they got that buff last year so I ran a condi build to counter the dps builds.

My opinion on the ranger has changed dramatically because they seem to get the work done. This is a recent solo queued 4 ranger team I was in on my alt ranger. Granted, there are still a lot of inexperienced rangers but overall, they are reliable teammates.

I think you only won because the other team ragequit when they saw all the rangers.

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Posted by: Azure The Heartless.3261

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If people in my team give me a hard time for being a thief, I annoy them even more by putting on stealth while they cap. I laugh coz they rage like they’re on ’roids.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is an example of a player just being bad in general and abusing class mechanics to hamper his team.

The thief class, as previously stated, is not inherently bad, it just requires a certain level of insight and skill that many players are either incapable of fulfilling, or unwilling to put out.

To OP, you’d do just as bad with stacked [insert clueless class here].\

Forming a team is like cheating. It’s an unfair advantage.

lmao

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Posted by: bhagwad.4281

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Unethical… really? That’s funny. What makes it unethical?

Also, VoIP just cuts out typing but still does the same thing, communication. As far as knowing an increase is coming to a point just take a glance at the radar and see that. Hell most of the time people in VoIP are just talking bullkitten not actual game breaking strategy.

But you know what I think in unfair. Having a better computer and internet connection than me. Being less resistant due to having a better socio-economic position is unethical and unfair. What do you say to that?

Anet already mentions optimum PC stats on their website. So it’s all up front and in writing. And if you say that VoIP cuts out typing, I would say that macros simply cut out having to press several keys instead of one. Yet macros are deemed cheating. Did you wonder why?

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Posted by: choovanski.5462

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Unethical… really? That’s funny. What makes it unethical?

Also, VoIP just cuts out typing but still does the same thing, communication. As far as knowing an increase is coming to a point just take a glance at the radar and see that. Hell most of the time people in VoIP are just talking bullkitten not actual game breaking strategy.

But you know what I think in unfair. Having a better computer and internet connection than me. Being less resistant due to having a better socio-economic position is unethical and unfair. What do you say to that?

Anet already mentions optimum PC stats on their website. So it’s all up front and in writing. And if you say that VoIP cuts out typing, I would say that macros simply cut out having to press several keys instead of one. Yet macros are deemed cheating. Did you wonder why?

I can’t believe you are arguing this point. All the top teams in NA and EU use voice coms. All tournament teams use voice coms, it’s not cheating bud.

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Posted by: bhagwad.4281

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Unethical… really? That’s funny. What makes it unethical?

Also, VoIP just cuts out typing but still does the same thing, communication. As far as knowing an increase is coming to a point just take a glance at the radar and see that. Hell most of the time people in VoIP are just talking bullkitten not actual game breaking strategy.

But you know what I think in unfair. Having a better computer and internet connection than me. Being less resistant due to having a better socio-economic position is unethical and unfair. What do you say to that?

Anet already mentions optimum PC stats on their website. So it’s all up front and in writing. And if you say that VoIP cuts out typing, I would say that macros simply cut out having to press several keys instead of one. Yet macros are deemed cheating. Did you wonder why?

I can’t believe you are arguing this point. All the top teams in NA and EU use voice coms. All tournament teams use voice coms, it’s not cheating bud.

What you’re saying boils down to “It’s being done so it’s ok”. Maybe it’s time to rethink this then? Maybe it’s time Anet stops a blatantly unfair practice solely because it is unfair?

Or just separate the queues and let solo players live in peace.

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Posted by: choovanski.5462

choovanski.5462

Unethical… really? That’s funny. What makes it unethical?

Also, VoIP just cuts out typing but still does the same thing, communication. As far as knowing an increase is coming to a point just take a glance at the radar and see that. Hell most of the time people in VoIP are just talking bullkitten not actual game breaking strategy.

But you know what I think in unfair. Having a better computer and internet connection than me. Being less resistant due to having a better socio-economic position is unethical and unfair. What do you say to that?

Anet already mentions optimum PC stats on their website. So it’s all up front and in writing. And if you say that VoIP cuts out typing, I would say that macros simply cut out having to press several keys instead of one. Yet macros are deemed cheating. Did you wonder why?

I can’t believe you are arguing this point. All the top teams in NA and EU use voice coms. All tournament teams use voice coms, it’s not cheating bud.

What you’re saying boils down to “It’s being done so it’s ok”. Maybe it’s time to rethink this then? Maybe it’s time Anet stops a blatantly unfair practice solely because it is unfair?

Or just separate the queues and let solo players live in peace.

Buddy, anet knows teams are on voice coms. It’s not a secret. I’m sure a net would encourage it, and I’m absolutely sure they don’t consider it unfair or cheating. If it was cheating they would have to ban everyone who plays in tournaments, most of the wvw community, and many others (including me and my whole guild).

Competitive team video games will have people using voice coms. It’s essential if you want your team to be well coordinated.

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