Guild Wars 2

I’ve played necro since beta. I switched to thief after getting bored and getting roflstomped in tournies because necros were basically a free kill. I went back to necro about 2 months pre-patch. There weren’t a lot of us, maybe 10 or so that played at high level tpvp. I found a team that knew how to peel and how to work together with a necro in the comp and it worked really well.

Then came the patch. I was really looking forward to being able to survive, to give myself the ability to disengage and/or keep others from disengaging me.

The patch hit. My build literally changed in 1 single aspect. I swapped my 3rd utility slot for spectral wall. I run the exact same build now as I did pre-patch.

I love to duel as necro’s were always under-rated in 1v1’s. Now when I win people whine that I play the OP class.

In tournies when we win, people cry OP class. It’s amazing to me that people seem to have forgotten how to counter a necro.

I see players that I respect as high tier players doing nothing but whining about how horribly OP necro is right now. I see people who were great at their old class jumping on the band wagon and everyone has a necro now.

It’s disheartening to me. Perhaps I’m intimately familiar with the class but I see people complain about burning and I want to just shake them and tell them a necro traited for burning is the EASIEST class in this entire game to focus fire. They have absolutely no life force generation, the lowest vitality of any other necro build etc. It’s like all these high tier players lost every sense of ability they had and just scream OP OP OP now.

As much as I enjoyed the patch as it gave me another great utility for my build (I play terror) I really wish Anet would just go ahead and give into all the QQ and go ahead and nerf us. Make it an emergency patch and go ahead and just cave to the whiners. I want to go back to being one of the few that made the class work. I want to go back to beating someone in a 1v1 and not get called OP now. I want to log into the mists and not hear endless whining from high tier players that I feel should know how easy it is to counter necro.

Go ahead and nerf us so I can get back to my normal gaming please. I just can’t take the crying and the whining anymore.

Welcome to internet video gaming forums, 90% whining, 10% productive discussion.

This happened to me when I played my ele, my main pvp class since I gave up on the ranger (about a week after release). I ran the 0 0 10 30 30 build d/d while my friend ran the 0 0 10 30 30 build as staff ele. He still runs the same build today even though it got nerfed into the ground.

I switched out to 0 15 0 25 30 d/d with zerkers and everyone said I run the op dapheonix build. It was funny, because I could beat daphoenix build players. I believe that this was one of the variations the people called nerfs for d/d. That and the Valk setup. Where you give up the extra healing and defence for extra damage output.

I still play my ele, trying fresh air atm, not getting to far with it. Getting destroyed by necros, but that’s what happens when you don’t take condition cleansing.

Its good to see more necros on the scene, it sucks that everyone is flocking to run the same build. If they came up with something themselves… Reminds me of wow, when everyone ran warlocks in affliction and I ran a custom demonology build and destroyed everyone’s faces. Could solo 2 man arenas, ah, gold old times at bandit camp.

aydenunited.5729:

Welcome to internet video gaming forums, 90% whining, 10% productive discussion.

There is a difference between stating facts and crying. Although they might be crying at the same time they are right though. Necro’s should be nerfed and everyone with a little common sense should know that.

Bsgapollo.5364:

aydenunited.5729:

Welcome to internet video gaming forums, 90% whining, 10% productive discussion.

There is a difference between stating facts and crying. Although they might be crying at the same time they are right though. Necro’s should be nerfed and everyone with a little common sense should know that.

If this community had common sense, as you so claim, then Mesmer would have been dealt with long ago.

When I saw 30/30/10/0/0 I could not fathom how you generate life force. It really is an easy kill with cc.

Vanthian.9267:

Bsgapollo.5364:

aydenunited.5729:

Welcome to internet video gaming forums, 90% whining, 10% productive discussion.

There is a difference between stating facts and crying. Although they might be crying at the same time they are right though. Necro’s should be nerfed and everyone with a little common sense should know that.

If this community had common sense, as you so claim, then Mesmer would have been dealt with long ago.

So you want to make this necro thread into a mesmer thread now ?

Also at OP, There must be a reason everyone jumped on the band wagon and is playing necro right ? Ele’s got some nice buffs like fresh air etc.. You don’t see everyone playing ele now do you ? There is a good reason why everyone is playing necro now and you know it.

Bsgapollo.5364:

Also at OP, There must be a reason everyone jumped on the band wagon and is playing necro right ? Ele’s got some nice buffs like fresh air etc.. You don’t see everyone playing ele now do you ? There is a good reason why everyone is playing necro now and you know it.

Nope just pointing out the obvious that not much common sense is applied to the balance in this game.

Pretty ironic how you say you “cant stand all the crying” yet you are the one crying the most.

The solution is simple; if you cant take the forums, then dont even bother visiting it. Most people come here to vent out their frustration (often well founded), and while they might be a little over the top, they usually have some good backing behind it.

Im sorry you have such a biased way of seeing things, all humans suffer from this and its nearly impossible to recognize you hav one so its ok, we forgive you, you are not perfect. Necros currently are over the top. Did they need the buffs? Yes, did they went far and above how they should? Yes.

Right now conditions are out of hand, period. Whether you like it or not, if Anet balance team (which i have almost lost all hopes) plays this game they will realize it and do something about it.

Bsgapollo.5364:

aydenunited.5729:

Welcome to internet video gaming forums, 90% whining, 10% productive discussion.

There is a difference between stating facts and crying. Although they might be crying at the same time they are right though. Necro’s should be nerfed and everyone with a little common sense should know that.

Common sense is relative in MMO PvP.

I love my Necro +800 games, but I simply won’t play it in the current state. Annoying to see more then half the players in a game all being the same class. That’s not fun for anyone imo, and I don’t want to add to the problem. But that’s just me, a lot of people don’t care and just roll whatever the fotm class is.

Vanthian.9267:

Bsgapollo.5364:

aydenunited.5729:

Welcome to internet video gaming forums, 90% whining, 10% productive discussion.

There is a difference between stating facts and crying. Although they might be crying at the same time they are right though. Necro’s should be nerfed and everyone with a little common sense should know that.

If this community had common sense, as you so claim, then Mesmer would have been dealt with long ago.

Woosh

You actually think these forums effect balance?!?!?!
You seriously think common sense and community complaint cause issues to be dealt with… and on top of that, in a timely fashion??!?

hahahahahahah

sorry, you must be new here…
You can learn GW2 one way or another, but changes in GW2 are quick, on track to fixing the issue, fully baked…
I mean, pick one.

>.<

Harbinger.8637:

I love my Necro +800 games, but I simply won’t play it in the current state. Annoying to see more then half the players in a game all being the same class. That’s not fun for anyone imo, and I don’t want to add to the problem. But that’s just me, a lot of people don’t care and just roll whatever the fotm class is.

It was the same for eles. I would run into games with 2-3 eles and get CC’d to death.

People will get necro nerfed and then you’ll see the next top class being stacked.

They could, you know, instead place a 1 class limit to team build and change Epidemic. But that would make too much sense to ever be implemented.

Zenith.7301:

They could, you know, instead place a 1 class limit to team build and change Epidemic. But that would make too much sense to ever be implemented.

Casual community would die off so fast. My heads already spinning.

well I guess it is about time Necros had their time to shine (even though they were still pretty good pre patch they just weren’t as popular).

Still have to do something about warriors, and Mesmers, yeah they have been on top since the beginning.

killahmayne.9518:

well I guess it is about time Necros had their time to shine (even though they were still pretty good pre patch they just weren’t as popular).

Still have to do something about warriors, and Mesmers, yeah they have been on top since the beginning.

Warriors have been on the bottom since the beginning

I have new for you essentially I have seen op necros, mesmers, theifs, engineers, elementalists, and rangers. the other classes are garbage until they buff them too. When the guardian and warrior are buffed right gw2 will be balanced for the top tier players and imbalanced for the players who have no idea how to play their classes.

Phantaram.1265:

killahmayne.9518:

well I guess it is about time Necros had their time to shine (even though they were still pretty good pre patch they just weren’t as popular).

Still have to do something about warriors, and Mesmers, yeah they have been on top since the beginning.

Warriors have been on the bottom since the beginning

Not true, back in beta warriors were fotm for their 100 swags.

Since release they have been at the bottom, but not beginning ;o

Vanthian.9267:

Bsgapollo.5364:

aydenunited.5729:

Welcome to internet video gaming forums, 90% whining, 10% productive discussion.

There is a difference between stating facts and crying. Although they might be crying at the same time they are right though. Necro’s should be nerfed and everyone with a little common sense should know that.

If this community had common sense, as you so claim, then Mesmer would have been dealt with long ago.

Nerfs from 6/25 that were huge nerfs to mesmers

•Into the Void: This skill now has a 1-second recharge before it can be used after placing Temporal Curtain.
•Blurred Frenzy: This is now evasion instead of immunity. This means it will be affected by retaliation. Increased the cooldown to 12 seconds.
•Vengeful Images: This trait now only applies retaliation for 5 seconds when they are created and does not persist after that.
•Illusionists Celerity: Moved to the Grandmaster Minor trait.

Those few changes wrecked many many Mesmer builds this patch… Please tell me how we still need dealt with.
And the buffs still made the builds that those buffs were meant for not viable. Like the interrupt buffs. Interrupt mesmers are outshined by several others.

When you’re soloing a guardian, in less than…10 secs something isn’t right. High level guardians.

And don’t tell me necro’s are easy to kill please. Cause really, they’re not. Mainly cause necromancers are the only class in the entire game that can simply put fear on every single enemy that are trying to focus them.

Also, if the necro is smart, he will play very defensive, cause right now the meta is: kill necro first or get killed. So, you go ahead and focus Necro, so if him and the team knows that….well; “fear, fear, wall of fear, Wells, kite.” And let your team kill them all.

Harbinger.8637:

I love my Necro +800 games, but I simply won’t play it in the current state. Annoying to see more then half the players in a game all being the same class. That’s not fun for anyone imo, and I don’t want to add to the problem. But that’s just me, a lot of people don’t care and just roll whatever the fotm class is.

+1

Meta is changing and ppl cant handle this very well..

I think necros dont need big adjustments, just need little ones like; making dodgeable the undodgeable fears. if anet makes spectral wall dodgeable , give an animation and a short cast time to Ds #3 fear, players will cope this better..

ertugrul.8031:

Harbinger.8637:

I love my Necro +800 games, but I simply won’t play it in the current state. Annoying to see more then half the players in a game all being the same class. That’s not fun for anyone imo, and I don’t want to add to the problem. But that’s just me, a lot of people don’t care and just roll whatever the fotm class is.

+1

Meta is changing and ppl cant handle this very well..

I think necros dont need big adjustments, just need little ones like; making dodgeable the undodgeable fears. if anet makes spectral wall dodgeable , give an animation and a short cast time to Ds #3 fear, players will cope this better..

if spectral wall is dodgebale, there is no point into putting in. DS3 is dodgebale, but very hard.

JimmyJazz.7943:

When you’re soloing a guardian, in less than…10 secs something isn’t right. High level guardians.

And don’t tell me necro’s are easy to kill please. Cause really, they’re not. Mainly cause necromancers are the only class in the entire game that can simply put fear on every single enemy that are trying to focus them.

Also, if the necro is smart, he will play very defensive, cause right now the meta is: kill necro first or get killed. So, you go ahead and focus Necro, so if him and the team knows that….well; “fear, fear, wall of fear, Wells, kite.” And let your team kill them all.

If a guardian is dying in 10 seconds to a single necro then he is either a very bad guardian or brought very very little condi removal. In either case that is not the fault of the necro.

Necro’s have no disengage. If a team focuses a necro other than Mark of Fear which lasts for all of 2 secs (if traited properly) and is on a 40 sec cooldown, they have no way of getting away. People claiming necros are hard to kill make me /facepalm.

emon.1863:

ertugrul.8031:

Harbinger.8637:

I love my Necro +800 games, but I simply won’t play it in the current state. Annoying to see more then half the players in a game all being the same class. That’s not fun for anyone imo, and I don’t want to add to the problem. But that’s just me, a lot of people don’t care and just roll whatever the fotm class is.

+1

Meta is changing and ppl cant handle this very well..

I think necros dont need big adjustments, just need little ones like; making dodgeable the undodgeable fears. if anet makes spectral wall dodgeable , give an animation and a short cast time to Ds #3 fear, players will cope this better..

if spectral wall is dodgebale, there is no point into putting in. DS3 is dodgebale, but very hard.

DS3 is instant cast, right? How is an instant cast dodgeable, unless it’s the necro’s fault?

However… considering how you awesome necros hate whining, I won’t hear you crying about Automated Response, RIGHT?XD

O gawd plz nerf my unbeatable glass cannon necro. I’m too stronk, too powerful, too good looking! Luckily I made this fancy umbrella a month ahead for all the tears. You should’ve came prepared mr. op.

redslion.9675:

emon.1863:

ertugrul.8031:

Harbinger.8637:

I love my Necro +800 games, but I simply won’t play it in the current state. Annoying to see more then half the players in a game all being the same class. That’s not fun for anyone imo, and I don’t want to add to the problem. But that’s just me, a lot of people don’t care and just roll whatever the fotm class is.

+1

Meta is changing and ppl cant handle this very well..

I think necros dont need big adjustments, just need little ones like; making dodgeable the undodgeable fears. if anet makes spectral wall dodgeable , give an animation and a short cast time to Ds #3 fear, players will cope this better..

if spectral wall is dodgebale, there is no point into putting in. DS3 is dodgebale, but very hard.

DS3 is instant cast, right? How is an instant cast dodgeable, unless it’s the necro’s fault?

However… considering how you awesome necros hate whining, I won’t hear you crying about Automated Response, RIGHT?XD

It is dodgable ! Corruption Boon is dodable (insta cast also) and every good guard can dodge it! I wont give any information when and how necro is using DS3 , since you should figuare it out on your own! Buff of fear is logical , since DS is only way necro can defence him self! You must be pretty ignorant to be near necro when he is in DS, so it is fair , that necro is punishing you for it!

Also necro dont hate whining, but all (mostly) arguments I readed on forum are dumb and didnt make any sens in necro case.

once again, so it is clear :
Terrormancer was in use for long time!
Terror didnt get any buff!
Only thing that i find kinda strange and wrong (for balance) is Master Of Pectral trait in Curses( this is making fotm necro mobile + bit better defence and longer sectral wall), but it deffenetly wont make necro OP!
Most ppl are qq because of burning!
conditions didnt get any buff, and Terror mancer with this build pre patch would give almost same dmg (i run 30/30/10 build for some months).
Now all necro utilitys are usefull (expect minions, but its my point of view).

All I can say L2P. If I manage to win (pre patch) tpvp with 2 necros on my team, that were UP – you deffenetly can win now, when necro is in normal state!
So stop qq on forum and go play a game, mb then you will learn how to play agains GLASS CANNON NECRO=)

How i didnt hurt you feelings and sry for bad english )

No, don’t worry, I can even down some necros on my warrior. They sure are annoying, but not the most annoying thing 1v1. And I surely punish them more for being near me than they punish me for being near them.

And as a bunker engi, necros can’t take me down.

But I just don’t like people who consider everything “crying”.

But really, if that is dodgeable it means necros all use it when they enter Death Shroud, for example. Then it’s the mesmer’s fault: you are making a predictable move.

Even with my warrior, I have never seen someone dodging my mace burst. The only time it missed, it was because I made a mistake with distance. That’s because is istant. And I make sure people can’t dodge it, by just not making predictable moves, like spamming it right after I equipped mace.