Guild Wars 2

until Arenanet stops doing the pay for content strategy they think will work, but wont. making players pay for making a room and selecting how many players play in it for spvp shouldnt exist…..it doesnt for any game that has pvp and has pvp rooms. its silly thinkin u can make people spend money to be allowed to select how many people can be in a room or even make the room for that matter….

Considering how easily those rooms can be made public and how many people probably will make them public, I fail to see the problem.

lol, you sound like an annoyed child… “i’m not playing grumpy face”. To make a custom arena it probably costs ANet money so you’re just paying the fees. Custom arenas don’t change anything really gameplay wise if you don’t want to make your own, and am I right in saying you buy the time off the gemstone, so you can use in game money?

- I assume you’re talking about custom arenas?

I do agree that the custom arenas are a poor choice. I will never put my foot into one and neither will I ever rent one. IT would have been fine if it was buy once and play forever, but not like this.
Though saying that you’re not going to be playing at all is childish.

Well im not playing either, atleast untill i get off work. With a very sad grumpy face.

Are people seriously still complaining about this?
Did you even look up the cost for 20 days of renting time?
It is 450 gems, which is not even $10.

I am sorry you feel this way, I am sure you will be sorely missed. =(

lordkrall.7241:

It is 450 gems, which is not even $10.

which is still more than $0

You can collect gold and trade it for gems. But yeah, I am not a big fan of paying for seperate pieces of content. But, GW2 has very little of this. Try some of the f2p games out there.

SadieDeAtreia.8912:

which is still more than $0

Indeed, but then again the space needed to have custom servers probably cost a bit more than $0 as well.

lordkrall.7241:

SadieDeAtreia.8912:

which is still more than $0

Indeed, but then again the space needed to have custom servers probably cost a bit more than $0 as well.

…which obviously made it the players’ problem.

SadieDeAtreia.8912:

lordkrall.7241:

SadieDeAtreia.8912:

which is still more than $0

Indeed, but then again the space needed to have custom servers probably cost a bit more than $0 as well.

…which obviously made it the players’ problem.

It’s not the players problem. Anet added something to the game, for which they’re charging. No one has to buy it. Everyone can PvP for free. Anyone can join tournaments for free.

You want a private arena that no one else can enter…yeah that you pay for.

While the price is a bit steep, I do agree that custom arena’s shouldn’t be entirely free, otherwise the server screen would just be cluttered with empty junk.
5 € per month sounds about right for this kind of content, imho.

It’s most likely a very good thing for the esport scene in this game, in-so-far there’s still hope.

Luckily i do not like or touch PvP, so, so far i’m safe from these scams..

I’ve been playing for 2 hours this morning and made 8 gold just from world events and 4 cof runs (3 p1 and 1 p2 which I did mainly for tokens). With current gold-gem conversion rate thats gonna get me 20 days worth of arena time. It’s really not that bad.

Last time I checked every game that has dedicated servers “forces” players to buy servers.

Enjoy your time off.

guys its not how much it costs or how much it doesnt. stop being such lil girls, the fact is simple…..arenanet is making people pay for somethign that should never be payed for. one thing is making u pay for an actual custom arena where u ca be creative is one thing, the other is making people pay for a simple 1vs1, 2vs2. 3vs3 gameplay. and they arenas go away if you dont continue to pay, so plz lol shut up and realize the facts. idc if the price is 2dollors, or 50 cents, its still ridiculous because of the thought alone.

kokiman.2364:

Last time I checked every game that has dedicated servers “forces” players to buy servers.

not a server…..not even a channel….or maybe it can be considered a channel, but def not a server. shhhh

Adry.7512:

stop being such lil girls

Actually I think you’re the one acting like a lil girl when you named the thread “not playing until…”. This feature costs ANet money because it’s like hosting a whole new server for arenas. I don’t really think this is your game though if such a minor inconvenience annoys you to the point you stop playing, so you probably are better off quitting.

Jaall.3420:

Adry.7512:

stop being such lil girls

Actually I think you’re the one acting like a lil girl when you named the thread “not playing until…”. This feature costs ANet money because it’s like hosting a whole new server for arenas. I don’t really think this is your game though if such a minor inconvenience annoys you to the point you stop playing, so you probably are better off quitting.

wrong, its called standing up for wat u believe. if i act on it, i dont think it makes me submissive, like u for example.

lol i did quit, but i enjoy the mechanics and so i am fighting for it. is it hard for you to understand? also players making pvp rooms doesnt cost money unless they dont know how to host their own game. making pvp rooms doesnt cost money, where did u make that up.

It’s a petty thing to fight for that I think is pretty set in stone. I find it a little weird that this is what you fight for when there are so many better more unjustifiable things ANet have charged for that will have more of an impact. This addition to the game however is in absolutely no way compulsory, pretty cheap and guaranteed to give you arena time, also completely justifiable. Also it costs money to host any server in any game, whether or not the game charges for that is their choice, and could be a whole lot worse. While console games such as call of duty have online multiplayer in which they don’t charge for it, there is still a cost for them to provide this service, bit like paying for your broadband service, only bigger.

Jaall.3420:

It’s a petty thing to fight for that I think is pretty set in stone. I find it a little weird that this is what you fight for when there are so many better more unjustifiable things ANet have charged for that will have more of an impact. This addition to the game however is in absolutely no way compulsory, pretty cheap and guaranteed to give you arena time, also completely justifiable. Also it costs money to host any server in any game, whether or not the game charges for that is their choice, and could be a whole lot worse. While console games such as call of duty have online multiplayer in which they don’t charge for it, there is still a cost for them to provide this service, bit like paying for your broadband service, only bigger.

Server =/= game rooms
game rooms = channels within a server

you sir are a genius sarcasm. o and on your make a difference topic, ur hilarious, how about u go make a difference….o wait, no u wont LOL.

Adry.7512:

making players pay for making a room and selecting how many players play in it for spvp shouldnt exist…..it doesnt for any game that has pvp and has pvp rooms.

EA makes players play $25 a month to rent BF3 servers. Rending BF3 servers is the only way players can set their own match rules. So…yeah.

I don’t feel the need to make a difference, I like this game the way it is like most people seem to. If you do want to make a difference then the best way would be to apply for a job there because the way most things go on here it wont be changed, especially not when their money making is involved, and when nobody else really cares that much.

Consider these arenas like overflow servers. At the end of the day, they are different servers whether you like it or not, and the ability to custom make your very own arena with whatever rules you like just adds to the cost of maintaining them. Whether you think it’s worth it is your choice but like has been mentioned they are not necessary to play the game, only an addition. Like paying for xbox live gold membership when xbox live silver is free. A lot of companies do it, not just ANet.

darkace.8925:

Adry.7512:

making players pay for making a room and selecting how many players play in it for spvp shouldnt exist…..it doesnt for any game that has pvp and has pvp rooms.

EA makes players play $25 a month to rent BF3 servers. Rending BF3 servers is the only way players can set their own match rules. So…yeah.

lolwut?

Jaall.3420:

I don’t feel the need to make a difference, I like this game the way it is like most people seem to. If you do want to make a difference then the best way would be to apply for a job there because the way most things go on here it wont be changed, especially not when their money making is involved, and when nobody else really cares that much.

Consider these arenas like overflow servers. At the end of the day, they are different servers whether you like it or not, and the ability to custom make your very own arena with whatever rules you like just adds to the cost of maintaining them. Whether you think it’s worth it is your choice but like has been mentioned they are not necessary to play the game, only an addition. Like paying for xbox live gold membership when xbox live silver is free. A lot of companies do it, not just ANet.

=S i guess ur right, but in the end its just bad marketing, for a game that could be big. put it this way, since launch the only free playable content they have added r those silly stories with an item to collect lol, o and sometimes a dungeon. thats it, SINCE release date, they basically have done nothing to the game except lose the respect of their fans by adding horrible marketing strategies.

There have been a lot of good marketing strategies but the problem is good marketing strategies can look very bad on the company. Can’t fault them for knowing how to make money though, and could be a whole lot worse. Also this game has had a fantastic release compared to most other mmo’s out there. I’ve played a lot and I literally can’t name 1 that has been this amazing in its first year because of bugs etc, and a patch every 2 weeks with a fairly major patch every month is almost unheard of. I really think this game is setting the bar. But yea I agree some marketing strategies come across as greedy, but then same goes with every successful business.

ppl don’t understand. developers and lot of ppl worked to create the custom arenas. you think they work for free?

Jaall.3420:

There have been a lot of good marketing strategies but the problem is good marketing strategies can look very bad on the company. Can’t fault them for knowing how to make money though, and could be a whole lot worse. Also this game has had a fantastic release compared to most other mmo’s out there. I’ve played a lot and I literally can’t name 1 that has been this amazing in its first year because of bugs etc, and a patch every 2 weeks with a fairly major patch every month is almost unheard of. I really think this game is setting the bar. But yea I agree some marketing strategies come across as greedy, but then same goes with every successful business.

not greedy, just bad strategies. they can use the gem store for so many things that they arent doin =S.

They’re making money though, so not a bad strategy. Bad in the eyes of the consumer because nobody likes losing money but that will always be the case. DanH is right, the costs are easily overlooked but they are definitely there, and will probably surprise you how much the costs amount to.

The gem store could be used for more, but they’re adding it to the game rather than the gem store and give the option to buy everything on the gem store with in game money, which is a fantastic improvement over a lot of other games with the same model as GW.

we aren’t paying for “servers” like in other games
we are paying to change the settings on an existing hotjoin room.
you know, like the hundreds they’ve had since game launch?
“Oh but it has spectator!” kitten that, like I care about spectating noobs running around
“Oh you can change the map or the team size or the score count!!!” what phenomenal engineering advances, i’m so glad to have the opportunity to pay for basic features like these…

GW1 had “Guild Halls”, earned by winning a worldwide tournament (Heroes’ Ascent), or by purchasing Celestial Sigils supplied by winners of the Heroes’ Ascent tournament.

GW2 has “custom arenas”…how fun.

Milo I’m sure if you had to do the work to create such rooms you wouldn’t call them basic features, and Celtus Guild halls in GW1 were released a lot later than 8-9 months after release. We’re still only in the first year, I don’t see why people compare a somewhat complete game (GW1) with a relatively new game (GW2). Just because a game shares the same title does not mean it’s gonna be the same game and have the same features. You need innovation to sell anything, so priorities for new features (or a different style to existing features) is a necessity.

Edit – after reading this post back I feel my point about guild halls isn’t that clear. My point is that custom arenas still have a lot of time to be worked on and were technically only just in the beta stages, I don’t know if they still are. Also I think guild halls were planned as a separate addition to GW2 later on, but I don’t know for sure.

lordkrall.7241:

Indeed, but then again the space needed to have custom servers probably cost a bit more than $0 as well.

and you get the same type of custom instance when you open a dungeon, however we’re not getting charged for running explorable mode, do we?

Mirta.5029:

and you get the same type of custom instance when you open a dungeon, however we’re not getting charged for running explorable mode, do we?

I must have missed the ability to create custom dungeon runs, sounds fun though. How do you do that?

lordkrall.7241:

Mirta.5029:

and you get the same type of custom instance when you open a dungeon, however we’re not getting charged for running explorable mode, do we?

I must have missed the ability to create custom dungeon runs, sounds fun though. How do you do that?

you pay for it….the only difference is that u can stay in the same map, and change the number of players allowed in. its so dumb, yet they make u pay for it and then u have people like jaall who has no idea wat he is talkin about speaking positive about this.

Jaall.3420:

Milo I’m sure if you had to do the work to create such rooms you wouldn’t call them basic features

it really isn’t my problem

Jaall.3420:

Just because a game shares the same title does not mean it’s gonna be the same game and have the same features.

we have less of the features we need and they are making us pay for them? this is the business model of a f2p, not a b2p.

end of story is…making people pay for ridiculously basic content which has been the ONLY content added to spvp since launch is ridiculous.

milo.6942:

Jaall.3420:

Milo I’m sure if you had to do the work to create such rooms you wouldn’t call them basic features

it really isn’t my problem

Jaall.3420:

Just because a game shares the same title does not mean it’s gonna be the same game and have the same features.

we have less of the features we need and they are making us pay for them? this is the business model of a f2p, not a b2p.

lol not even, i play f2p games and their content is free, most f2p use the stores for costumes and funny stuff and sometimes OP stuff that make it P2W (pay to win), but i never seen a free game make players pay for basic content unless its a F2P game that used to be P2P but had a horrible income and became desperate.

My only gripe with custom servers is how lame they are. That’s what anet has come up with in 9 months to add to this lackluster pvp scene? No automated tournaments, no new game modes, no sense of progression? Just custom servers? Feels very meh, I personally won’t be participating.

Celtus.8456:

GW1 had “Guild Halls”, earned by winning a worldwide tournament (Heroes’ Ascent), or by purchasing Celestial Sigils supplied by winners of the Heroes’ Ascent tournament.

GW2 has “custom arenas”…how fun.

Basically, this ^^^^^^^^^^^

Muramasma.1570:

My only gripe with custom servers is how lame they are. That’s what anet has come up with in 9 months to add to this lackluster pvp scene? No automated tournaments, no new game modes, no sense of progression? Just custom servers? Feels very meh, I personally won’t be participating.

exactly, no1 should buy these custom arenas, its bad marketing strategy, unfair to players who like pvp and have seen ZERO content since launch for spvp, and its down right ridiculous making people pay for basic content. is it the players fault that they didnt think of making gamerooms customizable for rules since day 1? no its not the player’s fault its the developer’s fault. LOL “adding servers costs them money”, solution is simple, delete every server now and make Hotjoins be able to be created by players with their own set of rules. done, but what arenanet is doing is just disrespectful.

Other games let you have a private lobby for free
Also people probably wouldn’t be mad about paying if there was a way to sustain an arena through playing the game(EX:earning the tokens somehow).

Super Riceman.8702:

Other games let you have a private lobby for free
Also people probably wouldn’t be mad about paying if there was a way to sustain an arena through playing the game(EX:earning the tokens somehow).

there should never be tokens to begin with, might as well make the game P2P cuz they are already renting the content. what they r doing is disrespectful

Remember theres no sub guys. I much prefer optional payment on non mandatory features+ free everything else to forced payment every month

i much prefer getting basic features for box price

Hexs.8015:

Remember theres no sub guys. I much prefer optional payment on non mandatory features+ free everything else to forced payment every month

it was sarcasm, obv making it p2p would be horrible and wont make them money either because the game lacks a competitive nature to keep enough players hooked

milo.6942:

i much prefer getting basic features for box price

yup, but they r making u “pay rent for content”

Hexs.8015:

Remember theres no sub guys. I much prefer optional payment on non mandatory features+ free everything else to forced payment every month

I would much prefer to be able to buy out these features instead of having an option to rent them out.

it’s called paid advertising. Your guild name or your name will be posted on global server’s list, making you visible among all players.