Guild Wars 2

Just two minutes ago, I came out of a game that I should have rightfully won.
I had used my skills on the Blue team to keep hold of the graveyard. Our team three capped and I initiated multiple teamfights with multiple enemies to make sure the points stay safe. We were going to win. I saw it. 499 to 36

At the same time, auto balance happened, RIGHT WHEN it hit 499. The moment I saw the screen load my jaw dropped, as I was on the red team. We lost. It will now go on the record of games played and not games won. I turned the game off and started to write this topic.

Arenanet, give players a bonus for being put on the other team. Hand them some sort of free glory. If they lose, hand them a loss forgiven somehow or something similar to “doesnt count”. Anything is better then taking a loss and having it go down and sometimes pissing us off when such a thing happened at the worst moment (A few seconds after the end of the game.)

there is not a win/loss ratio as far as i know in gw2 at the moment. why bothering about switching losing team if you did, for example, 200 glory (that is the only reason i think people play 8v8..rank farming), your score still remain. so what is your problem?
ladder will be put for tourney that are 5v5 premade, that don’t involve team balancing.
go on playing and don’t care about team switch.

there have been times when i’ve been in 8v8 and had a glory boost of 35 for a win, not that much of a loss, but then there is times where you can get upwards of 60+ bonus for a match, there is something to complain about when you get put on the losing team when there is absolutely no way you can make a comeback out of it.

8v8 has been put to let casual player have fun pvping. thi involve that teams should be balanced any second of the match. when autobalance appear, anyone has same chance to be switched. deal with it. if you play with friends you can ask them to switch too, and if you are good enough you still win again.
8v8 is for fun. enjoy it or don’t play it and use glory boost in tourney. better idea in my opinion.

Right so when you get swtiched from the team that just decimated the other team at all the points at 492 score you have a chance to come back from being auto balanced to the other side. I can safely say it happened to me and yes, I know comebacks are possible. I was in a game up 300 to 100 got autobalanced to the other team came back got to that 492 and auto balanced to the other team a second time. Yes it is fun for casuals, but it’s not fun when you get swapped to an automatic loss after the work you put in to a victory, especially when that loss comes from being auto balanced twice in the same match.

Sjach Darasv.3729:

Right so when you get swtiched from the team that just decimated the other team at all the points at 492 score you have a chance to come back from being auto balanced to the other side. I can safely say it happened to me and yes, I know comebacks are possible. I was in a game up 300 to 100 got autobalanced to the other team came back got to that 492 and auto balanced to the other team a second time. Yes it is fun for casuals, but it’s not fun when you get swapped to an automatic loss after the work you put in to a victory, especially when that loss comes from being auto balanced twice in the same match.

i understand your pov. but i think you should just relax, play your game and if your team lose, well you could still be the player with the higher score. enjoy your skillness :P

Shukran.4851:

there is not a win/loss ratio as far as i know in gw2 at the moment. why bothering about switching losing team if you did, for example, 200 glory (that is the only reason i think people play 8v8..rank farming), your score still remain. so what is your problem?
ladder will be put for tourney that are 5v5 premade, that don’t involve team balancing.
go on playing and don’t care about team switch.

There is, if you press H and go to the PvP tab you can check Games by proffesion and Wins by proffesion. Compare the two and you have your W/L.

Doesn’t bother me to much anyways, 8v8 is nothing but a zergfest for the most kills, tPvP is where i test my real abilities. But nobody likes to be winning and then pretty much handed an automatic loss because of the enemy need like 50 points or less or so. I can understand auto-balancing being their so it doesn’t just turn into an empty room on one side because they all quit, but there should be a point limit at which auto-balancing can not occur. There will always be those trolls that don’t want tot take a loss so they just leave early just before the match ends, it is unfair for the players that earn the win to lose out on the bonus, slight as it may be, because of the losing players attitudes.

SmackMyBird.2386:

Shukran.4851:

there is not a win/loss ratio as far as i know in gw2 at the moment. why bothering about switching losing team if you did, for example, 200 glory (that is the only reason i think people play 8v8..rank farming), your score still remain. so what is your problem?
ladder will be put for tourney that are 5v5 premade, that don’t involve team balancing.
go on playing and don’t care about team switch.

There is, if you press H and go to the PvP tab you can check Games by proffesion and Wins by proffesion. Compare the two and you have your W/L.

hmm thx for the advice, i will check mine ahaha, but exactly how does the w/l ratio improve your gaming experience and how it teach you to be a better player? i mean, it gives more skill to have w/l ratio 10 because you were carried by a zergfest stronger than the opposite team?
8v8 is just for fun and maybe just to let casual players rank up in a way. let it be that way. if you need more challenge, go solo queue tourney, and understand what is the real spvp in gw2

Shukran.4851:

SmackMyBird.2386:

Shukran.4851:

there is not a win/loss ratio as far as i know in gw2 at the moment. why bothering about switching losing team if you did, for example, 200 glory (that is the only reason i think people play 8v8..rank farming), your score still remain. so what is your problem?
ladder will be put for tourney that are 5v5 premade, that don’t involve team balancing.
go on playing and don’t care about team switch.

There is, if you press H and go to the PvP tab you can check Games by proffesion and Wins by proffesion. Compare the two and you have your W/L.

hmm thx for the advice, i will check mine ahaha, but exactly how does the w/l ratio improve your gaming experience and how it teach you to be a better player? i mean, it gives more skill to have w/l ratio 10 because you were carried by a zergfest stronger than the opposite team?
8v8 is just for fun and maybe just to let casual players rank up in a way. let it be that way. if you need more challenge, go solo queue tourney, and understand what is the real spvp in gw2

I got about 30 games total in hotjoin, like 350 in tournaments. Trust me i couldn’t care less about the hotjoin in general, i despise it.

But i do see where he’s coming from, i enjoy winning, i’m a competitive player. And it’s a hard slap to the face to be one of the major parts of the winning team, basicly carrying, just to be tossed over to the losing team. And sometimes it’s fun to just see how well you’ve been doing with different classes and such. I do agree with you, in hotjoin that’s futile since it’s just whoever has the best zerg wins. But i like to check my tournament W/L with different proffesions and such. Maybe he enjoys hotjoin :p ? idk.

Meh like i said, if i want to play for real skill testing it’s tPvP, but i’m to lazy to form a premade and most the time i solo que i get stuck with a team that consists of like 3-4 of the same profession and nobody wants to change or communicate so whichever team I end up on generally just get’s steamrolled as a whole no matter the skill of 1 player. Even in tPvP 1 player can’t beat a 1v5 on their own the game was intended not to be like the whole, WoW i’m a rogue and with all my stunlockness i can be my own arena team mentality lol.

The only downside I see when getting switched to the losing team is that you lose the ‘win’ bonus for beign on the side that lost.

But your score, overall, is what really matters. So what if you lost 30 or so glory? It doesn’t add up. And for W/L ratio…in sPvP? Seriously???

checks for the mob under the bridge.

@Shukran:

There is actually. If you go to your go to mists PvP tab you will see the # of games played with each class listed out, and if you select another listing you can see # of games won. This, to me, is my own pride. To have a loss because I helped the other team literally win really hurts in that special area.

Plus, I do not know if there is a “win” bonus. I believe there is, and to work hard for that win bonus only to lose sight of it because I was put on the other team really gets on my nerves. When you had hard teamfights with you constantly getting downed, then rezzing again from killed players as you drop time warps and managed to keep a three cap by telling your team where to go…well..Being put on the team you stomped at 490 points for the now enemy team just isn’t fun.

I think I would mind the autobalancing a lot less if you got some kind of glory bonus for being switched to the losing team.

Or even better yet, if there was an additional glory bonus for people who switch to a losing team, and then turn it into a win.

It just feels like a giant, random kitten when you get autobalanced onto the losing team after playing for almost the entire match on the winning team. All your effort you put into /winning/ is now an effort to work /against/ winning.

Think about that for a second. At any moment of a match, any and all effort you put into winning could be turned into having effectively worked against yourself all match. That is really depressing.

Winning doesn’t exactly mean much in 8v8 – even in terms of glory gain. The win bonus is like 10-20 points, but if you just play selfishly, get top kills, objectives defended/captured, bosses or trebs killed, etc. you’ll get far more glory win or lose.

Otherwise, 8v8 doesn’t have a win:loss column, nor a ranking system other than the Play Now button which uses accumulated glory (not an indication of skill, only time investment), so just play, play selfish, and farm glory. If you want to take wins you deserve, solo queue in tournies.

That said, I feel your pain. Held ruins on Capricorn for the entire match once, at 480 points it autobalanced me. Pretty much when I decided teamplay and playing to win in 8v8 just isn’t effective, or fun.

What we really need is a punish system for the leavers.

Hm…most of the time I’m willingly switching to losing group to help them make things more even, especially if my “wining” group is in a zerg. I really don’t care if I win or lose. What matters to me is to have fun and be as much efficient as I can.

@Oracle and others who like w/l ratio: i understand your point, i think i know the feeling of being “quite invincible”. but what if i tell you that, for example, half of your victories you were carried by a 2-3-guildy premade and you did only a little part of their strategy? do you think you belong the winning still? do the w/l ratio become more valuable or less valuable?
8v8 is too random to give him some “importance”. maybe anet did wrong to put a win ratio to the whole class instead of torney part only. but at the moment, without a kind of ladder, w/l ratio is useless.

Shukran.4851:

@Oracle and others who like w/l ratio: i understand your point, i think i know the feeling of being “quite invincible”. but what if i tell you that, for example, half of your victories you were carried by a 2-3-guildy premade and you did only a little part of their strategy? do you think you belong the winning still? do the w/l ratio become more valuable or less valuable?
8v8 is too random to give him some “importance”. maybe anet did wrong to put a win ratio to the whole class instead of torney part only. but at the moment, without a kind of ladder, w/l ratio is useless.

Then it would be practically the same as League of Legends. Sometimes you carry, sometimes you get carried.

I find w/l to be more of a pride thing. Play 100 games, look at how many you won, and smile. I understand there is no ladder system and that some of the games I did absolutely horrible or trying out a new spec, but not every game I have been carried.

All of the Battle of Kyhlo games I either manned the treb, secured clocktower and runway to my treb, defended it, and repaired it with portal exploit (I know, but that is a different topic.)

All of my Forest of Niflhel games I rushed to henge or mind (Provided someone just comes too for no reason..) and then head for keep and survive as long as possible, dropping down time warp and either null field or feedback for my team even.

All of my Raid on the Capricorn games I secured ruins being the fastest to get there (Spear helps against sharks, and phantasms do good damage.) And stay bored making sure the ruins are never, ever taken. I’ll admit its mainly my team capping the second point to help out the win.

All of my Legacy of Foefire games I rush graveyard, then rush to enemy keep to use phantasms to blow down the walls as I cripple or immobilize enemies trying to get somewhere else. Sometimes I initiate teamfights in graveyard.

I already made my tasks and sometimes they work, don’t, or aren’t needed. But, if I am willing to do all of that for the team I am on then what of the other team when I get switched?

Kyhlo means that the treb I protected and used for so long is now against me.
Niflhel is alright, I can understand the change as there isn’t too much lost besides for the monster kills.
Capricorn means that the point I have been protecting all game long was used for the enemy team, and capping it would be difficult mid game.
Foefire means I broke down my own wall, and secured the graveyard for my enemies.