Guild Wars 2

please don’t vote for foefire anymore.

I’m pretty sure you would have lost that game on any map.

Fluffball.8307:

I’m pretty sure you would have lost that game on any map.

I lose every game on every map.

Drakortha.6974:

Fluffball.8307:

I’m pretty sure you would have lost that game on any map.

I lose every game on every map.

I have a somthing like 5% win percentage on mesmer which I’m terrible at and a 65% overall win percentage. If you get my point, what this is telling us is that you’re the cause of the losses, not the matchmaking.

Drakortha.6974:

Fluffball.8307:

I’m pretty sure you would have lost that game on any map.

I lose every game on every map.

Class matchup could be a lot better.

But if this is the case there might be another problem xD

No, the matches are bad. That’s the problem. I am one team member out of five, I can’t do all the lifting myself.

Drakortha.6974:

No, the matches are bad. That’s the problem. I am one team member out of five, I can’t do all the lifting myself.

If you’re really losing nearly every match then you’re the only thing in common. Anything below 50% and you should start looking at yourself as the cause. 40% might be bad luck, 10% means you are the cause.

I had thought that the matchmaker was working well. Now I’m seeing the same old stacks.
This is depressing. Maybe tomorrow will be better.

Fluffball.8307:

Drakortha.6974:

No, the matches are bad. That’s the problem. I am one team member out of five, I can’t do all the lifting myself.

If you’re really losing nearly every match then you’re the only thing in common. Anything below 50% and you should start looking at yourself as the cause. 40% might be bad luck, 10% means you are the cause.

It’s at least 40%. And I’ve played enough PVP to know these are just bad. (almost 3500 matches)

Drakortha.6974:

Fluffball.8307:

Drakortha.6974:

No, the matches are bad. That’s the problem. I am one team member out of five, I can’t do all the lifting myself.

If you’re really losing nearly every match then you’re the only thing in common. Anything below 50% and you should start looking at yourself as the cause. 40% might be bad luck, 10% means you are the cause.

It’s at least 40%. And I’ve played enough PVP to know these are just bad. (almost 3500 matches)

I have a bit over 6k matches over my two accounts. Some matches are a dead loss when they begin. Several seasons of deliberately stacked matches haven’t helped my attitude either.

As to “just bad,” the matchmaker exists to match people of similar skill. So, if it is working properly, no one should be in a position of losing constantly. Granted, that’s not totally realistic in practice.

Still, the matchmaking seems better this season over the long run, so far.

My experience of matchmaking this season is pretty similar to the last. It alternates between “win 1, lose 1, repeat” to “get on a X winning streak, then immediately get on a X losing streak”. I’m just coming off a two day losing streak after a one day winning streak, so if the pattern holds, tomorrow should be another one day winning streak.

TECHNICALLY, this means that the MM system is working and I’m exactly where I’m supposed to be, but those losing streak days sure aren’t fun. :P

Yeah I’m having one of those losing days and it’s really kittening me off. I keep trying to tell myself it will balance out.. but I don’t honestly believe it.

Well last season i had the following. (I main ele)
I got placed in low silver after 6:4 in placement. Fighting up was a hard grind only maintaining about 55 to 60% on ele. I made it only to mid silver (got in hig but got a loosing streak …
Then i met someone from high gold to platin and he agreed to duo. We got playing in high gold. I didn´t loose a single match there ….
What does that tell ……

Wolfric.9380:

Well last season i had the following. (I main ele)
I got placed in low silver after 6:4 in placement. Fighting up was a hard grind only maintaining about 55 to 60% on ele. I made it only to mid silver (got in hig but got a loosing streak …
Then i met someone from high gold to platin and he agreed to duo. We got playing in high gold. I didn´t loose a single match there ….
What does that tell ……

Ele is kinda bad in low tiers because you can’t outheal stupidity of your team mates but it’s very strong higher up because sustain is strong especially with a team that actually has the dodge key binded.

I had the same experience, couldn’t carry on an ele at all had to swap to stuff that could kill to climb ranks until I was high enough where Ele made an impact in team fights.

I mean the d/f meta ele btw, I guess you could do some marauder/zerk staff ele or fresh air and kill silver/bronze players but idk

Just got on a team with 3 thieves, instant fail once again. I can’t do it this season.. morale to continue is completely diminished. The game isn’t enjoyable in this state. In my 2+ years of PVP in this game, this is hands down the worst it’s ever been.

I don´t get it, that he matchmaker is not reworked to balance sides after finding the 10 players considering classes too. And also i don´t think there is a need to put more then 4 of the same class in a single match, which should lead to two on each side maximum.
Just implement some soft avoidance for stacking into the MM.

My downward spiral continues towards the dark depths of silver 1. I am past the point of no return.

down down I go. I hope for better match up in bronze.

desertion was from random dc and couldn’t get back in.

Fluffball.8307:

Drakortha.6974:

Fluffball.8307:

I’m pretty sure you would have lost that game on any map.

I lose every game on every map.

I have a somthing like 5% win percentage on mesmer which I’m terrible at and a 65% overall win percentage. If you get my point, what this is telling us is that you’re the cause of the losses, not the matchmaking.

Actually that shows we really need to start separating rating between each profession since you admitted that your not that great with Mesmer as opposed to other classes.

How exactly can you learn how to play Mesmer effectively? Going into unranked matches make me feel like the team could have won even 4v5.

Only way to learn is to go ranked and tank all the losses until you get better. Not so fair for the other four people on your team but no one seems to care about that thankfully.

thats why we need per class MMR in Matchmaking. Also due to people doing dailies and backpack … Not going for it is a great fail for me even if team composition won´t be optimal. Just don´t stack one sided and even out MMR (always do this to optimize not accept someting like 200 diffrence is fine) after selecting players. I seems not difficult to have the MM use a calculation to redistribute players to the sides on classes and MMR …

how can I make a difference in this game?

Chase.8415:

Actually that shows we really need to start separating rating between each profession since you admitted that your not that great with Mesmer as opposed to other classes.

Ya I would love that. But having a below 40% or so win rate means you are pretty much undeniably the cause of the losses. My win rate on mesmer is approaching zero because it’s effectively a 4v5 every single match.

Here is some more gold for you all.

so we got placed on a team with 3 rangers. But enemy team gets 2 guardians and 2 mesmers. I’m sorry, but couldn’t the match maker give us one of the mesmers? or one of those dragonhunters (lol). Or what about swap a ranger for an ele?

No, that would be too fair.

the pathetic joke matchmaking continues. One of our rangers sits on treb half match shooting at air and chalk up another loss for me! (to bronze i go today)

Drakortha.6974:

Here is some more gold for you all.

so we got placed on a team with 3 rangers. But enemy team gets 2 guardians and 2 mesmers. I’m sorry, but couldn’t the match maker give us one of the mesmers? or one of those dragonhunters (lol). Or what about swap a ranger for an ele?

No, that would be too fair.

the pathetic joke matchmaking continues. One of our rangers sits on treb half match shooting at air and chalk up another loss for me! (to bronze i go today)

Heres an even deeper thought on this one. Cause I have experienced exactly the same.
So if the poll had gone through to lock Queue from the moment you queue, (as you can see no one switched on this team to fix imbalances so this is an instance where that poll would of done good,) then, what you would of found is that you probably wouldnt of had this match up, period.

Heres the key, this match up probably wouldnt of happened as the matchmaker would of factored in class. I suspect some of the people that were double or triple stacked on these teams were in fact doing thier dailies. Even if they werent you probably had a mixture of people that were good at the classes and trying out new classes. Thusly they would of had a different MMR from each other and the points spread would of been different, meaning the Matchmaker wouldnt of matched the teams this way.

I know I am crying over spilt milk, but people voted very uninformed on that poll and I want people to see where the differences would of come into play.

Drakortha.6974:

Here is some more gold for you all.

so we got placed on a team with 3 rangers. But enemy team gets 2 guardians and 2 mesmers. I’m sorry, but couldn’t the match maker give us one of the mesmers? or one of those dragonhunters (lol). Or what about swap a ranger for an ele?

No, that would be too fair.

the pathetic joke matchmaking continues. One of our rangers sits on treb half match shooting at air and chalk up another loss for me! (to bronze i go today)

tbh, triple ranger comps are incredibly strong. if the druids are good it’s hell on earth to team-fight against.

Nightshade.2570:

Drakortha.6974:

Here is some more gold for you all.

so we got placed on a team with 3 rangers. But enemy team gets 2 guardians and 2 mesmers. I’m sorry, but couldn’t the match maker give us one of the mesmers? or one of those dragonhunters (lol). Or what about swap a ranger for an ele?

No, that would be too fair.

the pathetic joke matchmaking continues. One of our rangers sits on treb half match shooting at air and chalk up another loss for me! (to bronze i go today)

Heres an even deeper thought on this one. Cause I have experienced exactly the same.
So if the poll had gone through to lock Queue from the moment you queue, (as you can see no one switched on this team to fix imbalances so this is an instance where that poll would of done good,) then, what you would of found is that you probably wouldnt of had this match up, period.

Heres the key, this match up probably wouldnt of happened as the matchmaker would of factored in class. I suspect some of the people that were double or triple stacked on these teams were in fact doing thier dailies. Even if they werent you probably had a mixture of people that were good at the classes and trying out new classes. Thusly they would of had a different MMR from each other and the points spread would of been different, meaning the Matchmaker wouldnt of matched the teams this way.

I know I am crying over spilt milk, but people voted very uninformed on that poll and I want people to see where the differences would of come into play.

Well it’s pretty much set in stone. The developers failed to explain the poll in clear details and people misunderstood and voted differently? We had countless forum posts encouraging people to vote no for reasons that they misunderstood what the poll was about.

Ever since that poll I’ve been very disappointed with the future of the game. I’m in gold tier 2 now and I still have yet to seriously see my team swap classes.

I’ll join in and we have 4 support classes, and not a single person swaps. Yet somehow people are surprised that we still lost. It appears people vote no on the poll because they wanted to harass their team if they got 2 thieves and telling them to swap.

But it doesn’t matter because they never swap anyway, so it’s very frustrating for me because I’ve been wanting class specific ratings for a very long time and for it to just go away with only 2-3% vote is just insulting.

You are absolutely correct this would fix the daily problem, because people would be separated by their own skill rating for that class.

Ever since this poll I’ve been on the verge of just quitting honestly, there’s really no future for this game at this point. It’s literally the only mmorpg that doesn’t separate account MMR from class MMR.

Drakortha.6974:

Drakortha.6974:

Here is some more gold for you all.

so we got placed on a team with 3 rangers. But enemy team gets 2 guardians and 2 mesmers. I’m sorry, but couldn’t the match maker give us one of the mesmers? or one of those dragonhunters (lol). Or what about swap a ranger for an ele?

No, that would be too fair.

the pathetic joke matchmaking continues. One of our rangers sits on treb half match shooting at air and chalk up another loss for me! (to bronze i go today)

tbh, triple ranger comps are incredibly strong. if the druids are good it’s hell on earth to team-fight against.

Not really, it’s incredibly weak. It’s very difficult taking points back if people don’t do any damage, druids is not high dips.

I lose all the time due to people not swapping playing. Double Druid 1 engineer combos, 3 support is just really bad.

I mean yeah it’s possible to win with three support if the other team sucks but overall I say it’s a death sentence.

In higher rankings say, legendary, there is a higher consistency of people switching classes. In gold and below I would wager it is very uncommon and most people stick to the class they want to play. Part of this is a lack of understanding, their ranger is OP normally so why wouldnt three rangers be even better?

Sure three rangers can be strong, even OP three of any class can be if the three people playing them are actually good at this class. Also, it depends what they are up against. Teams that can overcome ranger healing or rangers that don’t run the healing variant of thier class change the game completely.

There are so many things to consider that it is not common for someone newer or who doesnt play consistantly to take all this into consideration. Depending on players to balance out a match only happens in higher levels and I would wager even there it is not as effective as people think.

I am hopeful, my only suggestion is that perhaps the Devs look at letting people know they are queueing up on a class that is popular and that thier wait for a match will be longer. Perhaps blocking dailies only to unranked pvp. Some method of discouraging people from stacking on professions they are not good at but have a high mmr in general needs to be addressed so that the matchmaker can begin properly matching and not stack several of the same class on a team. There should never be more then two of anything and definitely not instances of 3-4 of the same thing or 2 sets of the same thing in ranked.

Nightshade.2570:

In higher rankings say, legendary, there is a higher consistency of people switching classes. In gold and below I would wager it is very uncommon and most people stick to the class they want to play. Part of this is a lack of understanding, their ranger is OP normally so why wouldnt three rangers be even better?

Sure three rangers can be strong, even OP three of any class can be if the three people playing them are actually good at this class. Also, it depends what they are up against. Teams that can overcome ranger healing or rangers that don’t run the healing variant of thier class change the game completely.

There are so many things to consider that it is not common for someone newer or who doesnt play consistantly to take all this into consideration. Depending on players to balance out a match only happens in higher levels and I would wager even there it is not as effective as people think.

I am hopeful, my only suggestion is that perhaps the Devs look at letting people know they are queueing up on a class that is popular and that thier wait for a match will be longer. Perhaps blocking dailies only to unranked pvp. Some method of discouraging people from stacking on professions they are not good at but have a high mmr in general needs to be addressed so that the matchmaker can begin properly matching and not stack several of the same class on a team. There should never be more then two of anything and definitely not instances of 3-4 of the same thing or 2 sets of the same thing in ranked.

In higher rankings, you do see that sometimes people swap but only between 2 or so classes. And it’s only one or two people, not the entire team.

As I mentioned before that it has simply to do with the fact of experience of that class. A legendary elementalist who has 10,000 hours and mains the class is going to perform better than someone else who is in legendary and alts elementalist.

So how is it fair that someone elses alt performs worse than a true main? It’s not. That’s why most games separate class MMR and account MMR (most use a combination of both)

I lost a Foefire 600-0 beat that one.

I wonder: Is anet continuing the policy of stacked matches, hoping to please the upper division players?

Hey, class stacking is bad and daily winners even encourage it more, but skill wise I´m way more where I belong. I started halfway season five and I couldnt get out of low/tier bronze while my tactical skills surpass those of 99% of the players in there. Now I play silver and I get good matches so I can learn to improve my mechanical skill. SOme matches are dumb though, dual necro and ele is just meh. Daily winners should only count for unranked.

I agree with OP mostly because I’m sick of seeing Foefire. :P

Wolfric.9380:

thats why we need per class MMR in Matchmaking. Also due to people doing dailies and backpack … Not going for it is a great fail for me even if team composition won´t be optimal. Just don´t stack one sided and even out MMR (always do this to optimize not accept someting like 200 diffrence is fine) after selecting players. I seems not difficult to have the MM use a calculation to redistribute players to the sides on classes and MMR …

with class speccific mmr the game would require you to lock class before even finding a map (do you really trust any mmer to find you a balanced team comp for you and the enemy team? And also if we take acount stacking prevention into acount which alot of ppl ask your que time would be an hour long.

Welcome to chaosnet, where everything they add has a curveball.

They really need to stop ranked matches for a short time so they can work on the thing, but they’d rather not close down a revenue stream even if it is killing them in the long term.

Ok, so why is it that hard to find out the actual skill level of a person? Because that is what obviously is missing from this machmaking system. The system thinks that it is putting together balanced teams but when it comes to the actual game it turns out that one team is much more potent than the other. And the usual blowout takes place. So far this season I’ve had only 2 games where the score was somewhat close and both teams had a chance to win. All the other games… I could just have been AFK all along and it would not have changed a thing. So how are these games supposed to indicate my skill level? I guess they just cant do that. No matter how you look at this ANET has no chance. Because personal ratings are coming from team performance and there is no way to tell what components make up your personal rating. But one thing is for sure: personal skill level maybe has 15-20% in it. The other part comes from team comps you get along the way, possible DCs, AFK trolls, a legendary player playing his alt account, etc. So there are many more factors other than personal skill level that will determin your win rate. So lucky and unlucky ppl can end up much lower or much higher than their actual skill level would allow them. And its never going to change unless ANET finds out accurate methods to measure personal skill level. Which is kind of doubtful as the quality of a player’s performance cannot only be measured by numerical data.

So all in all: this wont change, you better get used to it.

p.s.: Here’s an example to better see what I mean:

Lets say both team A and B have the same potential comp wise, have the same average skill level. Team A consists of players quite close to eachother when it comes to skill and knowledge of rotations. While team B has the same average MMR but from much bigger swings of skill level. So in team B 2 carry the team, 1 is ok, and the last 2 players are carried hard. The game ends with a close score, whoever wins. But now the system thinks that both the 2 who carried team B and the 2 who were carried in team B are at the same skill level. Next game comes and now its 4 carriers vs 4 that would need to be carried at that MMR and the blowout happens. Its as ‘simple’ as that.

And my pattern is the same exept the 1 winned match… how to fall from Platinum to low silver..