Guild Wars 2

I really tried but it looks like i’m retiring you once again and going back to PVE. You just rarely feel balanced or fair and it’s getting far too stressful for me to play and enjoy you. Maybe it’s my fault because i never followed meta, just played my own builds. But to be punished for playing the way i want to play doesn’t sit well with me and i don’t wish to change my mind about it.

goodbye for now.

sPvP requires meta play or coordinated group play. Don’t want to do either? Then sadly GW2 pvp isnt for you, it relies too heavily on meta play.

Sebastian.4610:

sPvP requires meta play or coordinated group play. Don’t want to do either? Then sadly GW2 pvp isnt for you, it relies too heavily on meta play.

certainly feels that way. thank you.

You don’t have to play meta, but you need to play a good build.

Drakortha.6974:

I really tried but it looks like i’m retiring you once again and going back to PVE. You just rarely feel balanced or fair and it’s getting far too stressful for me to play and enjoy you. Maybe it’s my fault because i never followed meta, just played my own builds. But to be punished for playing the way i want to play doesn’t sit well with me and i don’t wish to change my mind about it.

goodbye for now.

I know how you feel. I too tried to play naked with no traits or amulet. Didn’t work too well.

^Woah dude, if I want to play naked I shouldn’t be punished for that.

This games is terrible by all designs…Play as we tell you (meta) and dont even TRY to make a build of your own…cause well,you will be OWNED in nanoseconds,the pvp design of this game is terrible,no-hands-nolegs and only torso war heroes can design it better…youve got SO many traits but only 1 build,where is the diversity ?Long gone,just buy the gems and pink suits and thats all there is.Pathetic design,but on the other hand,its an almost f2p game,if they wanted subs they should fire all of the staff lol.

Leafdrop you’re such an angry person. As for the topic, you can make your own builds and get creative and make them work. But of course if you suck at making builds and suck at pvp, that’s not Anet’s fault. So many bad players QQ’ing on forums here lately.

Shaogin.2679:

Leafdrop you’re such an angry person. As for the topic, you can make your own builds and get creative and make them work. But of course if you suck at making builds and suck at pvp, that’s not Anet’s fault. So many bad players QQ’ing on forums here lately.

Eh. If you are good at making builds, because builds are so logically made for synergy, and really do have a “best”, even without knowledge of the Meta you end up making a meta build… (of course, if you are good at making solid builds). I made, recently, a Survival Ranger axe/dagger sword/torch build, first time on a Ranger in like a year, had no clue what people play, turns out I almost made a 1:1 metabattle build with very slight variation, rofl… I thought I was being clever, didn’t even realize people ran axe frequently or a shortbowless condition build. If it’s good, chances are a close variation already exists on that page haha. Anything short of well thought out builds, you start to kitten yourself mechanically.

That said, I’m not sure what people are really upset about… Is it lack of credibility for good builds they made because someone else did it first? Is it a lack of synergy for some of their favorite spells that they label “no variety”? There seems to be a decent amount of builds out there that are usable, just unfortunately they often come to a logical conclusion and don’t offer much variation because #math and #synergy. Not sure that’s a big deal though…

I hate to be this guy but ehm…

Anything that involves the aspect of playing together with people requires you to play optimally …
This is as much true as for PvP, as well as instanced PvE and group WvWvW…

Saying you do not like the gamemode since you want to be a special snowflake and you feel like you cannot – then I think you got more issues than just the gamemode, namely, you do not want to be the utmost best for the people you play with…

I am not going to debate on whatever you and your friends do – I care little… But try and understand that nothing in the game but Solo-Roaming in PvE or WvWvW allows you to be that special snowflake…

Oh and Leafdrop – you got L2P issues, not issues with build diversity, which exists… However, even then there is a destinction between viable and optimal – of which most people who que up expect the latter from you

Guild Wars 2 gives you a huge variety of traits, sigils, runes, amulets and weapons. Not all are useful in all game modes, and not all combinations work. There is no way that they could, with each of the three game modes providing different challenges each game-mode requires different roles alongside traits being designed to worth with each other and weapons/utilities. Most meta builds take the most effective weapon and utilities for their role and trait them to be stronger. Each of the classes have different strengths and weaknesses, which means that some will be better at building specific builds. Some builds are going to be bad, it inescapable.

Meta builds have internal synergy, and external synergy. They fill a role the team needs, and do it very very well. This is why they are popular. However this does not mean there are many non-meta builds that are completely viable. They just have to have enough internal synergy to be as effective to be as effective as a build competing for the same role.

Get gud.

Give it a read. Don’t disregard it because you might feel insulted by the header.
There is wisdom in these words.

So it’s not fair that what you want to play isn’t optimal. Yet, if it was changed so that it was optimal, would it not simply be reversing the situation so that it is instead not fair to those who enjoy the current optimal builds? Basically you just need to find your play style, and a proven build out of all those viable out of all the classes. Calling it unfair because you want to play like an engineer on a mesmer or like a warrior on a thief isn’t helping anyone, least of all yourself. Furthermore, in a team game, it is definitely unfair to your allies to not be using something that works well, and some would go a step further to say it’s unfair to your allies to not use what is absolutely optimal for your play style and or a given situation. If you want to troll around, there’s always hot join, but if your builds can’t even make it there, then yes, PvP is definitely not for you.

People in computer games throw the word “punished” around a lot and I don’t think they even know what the word “punish” means. OP, nobody is sitting around watching you make your bad builds and play your bad builds badly then saying “Yes, I’m going to make this guy’s life miserable now”. Either your build is awful or you’re not a strong player. Or both. Plenty of players perform well in pvp playing non-meta builds all the time whether it be s/f fresh air ele, condi ranger, power necro, hambow warrior, or pistol whip thief. This is a case of lack of game knowledge for you I’m afraid.

I’m on the fence with statements in this thread. I generally don’t care for meta and play my own builds. That being said my ranger builds was almost meta without me knowing it.

But there is no “meta” really. If others are playing meta, then one can devise a counter build for that, that on it’s own may be weak, but when facing the meta build i can wreck it totally.

What i hope for is getting more pugs that are closer to my rank in hopes of them actually making basic, intelligent decisions (like capping a non guarded point, instead of running into a zerg battle away from any points).

Xterra.6172:

People in computer games throw the word “punished” around a lot and I don’t think they even know what the word “punish” means. OP, nobody is sitting around watching you make your bad builds and play your bad builds badly then saying “Yes, I’m going to make this guy’s life miserable now”. Either your build is awful or you’re not a strong player. Or both. Plenty of players perform well in pvp playing non-meta builds all the time whether it be s/f fresh air ele, condi ranger, power necro, hambow warrior, or pistol whip thief. This is a case of lack of game knowledge for you I’m afraid.

Question for you… Gw2 has some great combat mechanics (movement while attacking, camera, targeting, animations and overall gameplay “smoothness”), but why is participation in spvp so abysmally low?

You can play whatever build you want. Go look at any streamer that is well ranked/part of a top team. They always play lol/troll builds on their off time for fun. Like d-d zerk ele or w/e. Guess what? They still do great. Has little to do with builds at unranked. And EVERYTHING to do with simply getting better lol.

Mightybird.6034:

You can play whatever build you want. Go look at any streamer that is well ranked/part of a top team. They always play lol/troll builds on their off time for fun. Like d-d zerk ele or w/e. Guess what? They still do great. Has little to do with builds at unranked. And EVERYTHING to do with simply getting better lol.

Sure, you can play whatever you want, but you will get mixed results depending on a number of factors.

Also, thanks for clarifying that the spvp meta revolves around limited build options and team set ups.

Sebastian.4610:

sPvP requires meta play or coordinated group play. Don’t want to do either? Then sadly GW2 pvp isnt for you, it relies too heavily on meta play.

No, SPvP requires smart play regardless of what build and hope that the other team is worse than your rag tag team. That or you just get a bunch of friends.

Dirame.8521:

Sebastian.4610:

sPvP requires meta play or coordinated group play. Don’t want to do either? Then sadly GW2 pvp isnt for you, it relies too heavily on meta play.

No, SPvP requires smart play regardless of what build and hope that the other team is worse than your rag tag team. That or you just get a bunch of friends.

Spvp also requires a development team that is committed to making sure professions have more viable and competitive build choices, regular and meaningful balance updates and to make sure to work on certain poor game mechanics that make pvp combat terrible.

Swagger.1459:

Xterra.6172:

People in computer games throw the word “punished” around a lot and I don’t think they even know what the word “punish” means. OP, nobody is sitting around watching you make your bad builds and play your bad builds badly then saying “Yes, I’m going to make this guy’s life miserable now”. Either your build is awful or you’re not a strong player. Or both. Plenty of players perform well in pvp playing non-meta builds all the time whether it be s/f fresh air ele, condi ranger, power necro, hambow warrior, or pistol whip thief. This is a case of lack of game knowledge for you I’m afraid.

Question for you… Gw2 has some great combat mechanics (movement while attacking, camera, targeting, animations and overall gameplay “smoothness”), but why is participation in spvp so abysmally low?

Lack of pvp content variety (game modes) would be my guess. But that’s slowly changing.

Xterra.6172:

Swagger.1459:

Xterra.6172:

People in computer games throw the word “punished” around a lot and I don’t think they even know what the word “punish” means. OP, nobody is sitting around watching you make your bad builds and play your bad builds badly then saying “Yes, I’m going to make this guy’s life miserable now”. Either your build is awful or you’re not a strong player. Or both. Plenty of players perform well in pvp playing non-meta builds all the time whether it be s/f fresh air ele, condi ranger, power necro, hambow warrior, or pistol whip thief. This is a case of lack of game knowledge for you I’m afraid.

Question for you… Gw2 has some great combat mechanics (movement while attacking, camera, targeting, animations and overall gameplay “smoothness”), but why is participation in spvp so abysmally low?

Lack of pvp content variety (game modes) would be my guess. But that’s slowly changing.

So what fundamental things should they work on if new game modes do not make a positive impact on spvp participation?

Im sorry but it would be helpful to know what your build is. I for instance never run meta as well but i do just fine in solo or team ques.

Like i run a stance warrior with might shout and rampage with a build 4-0-6-4—0. The the idea is for people to help me out with what i might be doing wrong build wise.

Or my ele is staff ele 2-0-2-6-4 with cantrips and the elemental.

Or my condi raner etc etc, saying your build doesnt work in pvp is not helpful unless your just looking for a place to complain. (i do aswell) Then alrighty then.

Drakortha.6974:

I really tried but it looks like i’m retiring you once again and going back to PVE. You just rarely feel balanced or fair and it’s getting far too stressful for me to play and enjoy you. Maybe it’s my fault because i never followed meta, just played my own builds. But to be punished for playing the way i want to play doesn’t sit well with me and i don’t wish to change my mind about it.

goodbye for now.

lastly not willing to change your mind on it is more of a reflection on you as oppose to the game or everyone elses opinions which is wierd that you came in here to post.

Its like this in every game. For example in League, although I don’t play it much, there’s basically a meta build for every champion. I can’t run around with AD Ahri and expect to do much. Same in GW2. Obviously you play some crap build. There are non-meta builds that are good, but if you just make something random OF COURSE it’s bad lol.

Bellamy.9860:

Get gud.

Give it a read. Don’t disregard it because you might feel insulted by the header.
There is wisdom in these words.

That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever took the time to read. The point of games are to have fun and to enjoy competition with one another. The only thing that article is correct on is a win is a win and a loss is a loss. What he suggests that his readers develop is having the mentality of a prick.

Abusing a broken system does not make you talented and skilled. There is such a thing as “decent design”. This is on the developers who create the game and a lot of games fail at it. Guild Wars 2 Spvp happens to fall in the fail category. It is incredibly easy to say the game is “team” oriented so that you can fail at balancing classes.

I rarely run meta builds but the fun is when they start using “verbal abuse” because they lost to something that isn’t just that…. I enjoy when someone immature whispers with enough fuel to warrant clicking report verbal abuse… and without a response at that fun times.

This is where GW2 is absolutely left in the dust of GW1 and may never be its equal in pvp.

I constantly ran my own creative builds and had a high level of success. Without the secondary class, yes it is easier to balance, but the builds are stale and redundant. Maybe some new skills and more freedom in the future will change this, but I can’t see it happening.

I still run my own builds, I don’t have the time nor interest to follow what all the cool kids are doing. If I end up .500 I suppose that will have to do. I play with some players who know their builds, they are great 1v1, but the most basic concepts such as “fighting on point” eludes them. Sometimes I just don’t have the patience to lead