Guild Wars 2

Here is what happened:
- The average queue time was around 5 minutes
- I played 9 times
- I got a full set of solo queuers on my team 7 times and the other 2 times I was with a duo/trio and solo queuers
- I got matched against a full premade 7 times, a full solo team once and 1 trio + duo team
- I won my first 3 games and then lost 5 of the next 6
- My team generally had an average rank of 20-30 (skewed towards the top end) and my opponent teams generally had ranks of 35-45

Conclusion – Queuing solo in this game is a nightmare.

Please just cancel this patch and revert to the old one. At least then in a paid you know it is going to be premade vs premade. Currently there is no such guarentee and its a total disaster. I predict massive displeasure at these changes coming soon.

I would recommend the following change:
1- Make the 8 team queue a 2 team queue also.
2- Make it so that 1 of these 1 round tournaments is for solo queuers and dual queuers only and make it so that the other one is for full premades only.

This is the only way to save what looks like a disaster from where I am standing.

Gl all

Edit: And this reflects the system doesnt care if your a solo queue team or a premade. When it should care. It should care about this more than about ratings arguably.

Lordrosicky.5813:

I would recommend the following change:
1- Make the 8 team queue a 2 team queue also.
2- Make it so that 1 of these 1 round tournaments is for solo queuers and dual queuers only and make it so that the other one is for full premades only.

This. Simple solution, huge benefits.

However, I’m interested to see what will happen in a few more days, when premade teams get better rankings than solo players. Maybe, just maybe, the system might balance itself a little.

i dont know why they dont do like the random arenas

remove hotjoin, remove frees

press 1 buttom “join now” and u get with 9 random ppl and get tickets when u win 1 map not 3 (well not many if u win 1)
u wana play agaisnt not randoms and be the very best? paid q with full team

Random Arenas is not exactly better, even without monks existing. Unless it had a matchmaking system. But if it had a MM system, then that would pretty much be similar to a solo/ duo queue that the OP suggested.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Random Arenas is not exactly better, even without monks existing. Unless it had a matchmaking system. But if it had a MM system, then that would pretty much be similar to a solo/ duo queue that the OP suggested.

no i did not mean the game mode (wich is better obviously that the kittenty conquest) i meant the idea to get into a game and play.

Solo q’s should ONLY fight against other solo q’s…otherwise it’s pointless. Premades will always be better than 5 solo q’s.

I experienced similar results today. It felt like at least half my games involved what appeared to be against premades. Breaking apart solo queue and team queue needs to be done still.

Running into uneven teams like crazy.

… Matchmaking rating has been reset, yes? If that’s the case, who you get matched against is going to be incredibly wonky until things settle.

For example, I won maybe..10 out of 13 solo queue games tonight? Just because your experience wasn’t that great doesn’t mean the system as a whole is flawed. Just gotta wait

I’m getting 50/50 on pugs/premades as opponents, likewise allies. I don’t even know if my opponents/allies were premade or just a lucky solo combination.

I wouldn’t call it a disaster I had mostly fun solo queueing, but I don’t think anyone would argue against your suggested change, I think it’s really what we all have in mind. It would be much better!

I started similarly poor with 4v5s and afks, but recent matchup have been decent matches… Hope I wasn’t lucky and it’s actually working.

matching making based on ratings takes time.. its been hours since the release, so it is simply crazy to be complaining at this point. give it a few weeks at least

go back to paids? what paids? when i play there are NO paids on at all, ever. same can be said for everyone who doesnt play during peak US time.

this leads me to the solo q seperate from team q. This would not work either cos there is not enough premade to make it viable imo. so if your a premade, trying to play at non peak times, it simply wont happen or you will just vs the same team over and over.

and you said you won 4/9 games while q’ing solo.. i dont see a problem there

I joined solo. End up having enemies who are rank 40+ premade team.
Getting farmed nicely by them. I’m sure they are laughing at the sheer amount of curios ppl entering solo to check the map

I understand that Anet believes the population is too small to split solo a team queues completely. Of course, separate is always better, but hopefully this is better than the old system. I haven’t tried it yet, but I’m hoping at the least to expect to have four teammates present. That alone will make it a huge, huge improvement.

I don’t mind constantly fighting bad premades as a solo player (which is what most players near the top of the solo queue pile should expect in a good matchmaking system). It sounds like there aren’t even enough people queueing right now for that, though, and the solo queuers are being put against good premades because there’s just no one else to put them against. Ah well. It was a small step in the right direction.

It hasn’t been that bad for me so far so I haven’t seen the big deal. Guess I’ll have to play more and see how my hidden rating will change that.

So they say the pop is too small to have at least two two-team matches popping (one solo, one premade).
Then they have one two-team mixed queue and ANOTHER mixed queue for 8 teams?

What?

lolzies…..does anet understand how programming works? How hard is it to create a formula based upon a solo que player and team que?

Okay after this last 4/5 and the pre-made before it.
I am done for the night.

Really hope the new system separates premades from PUGs. If not… they need to categorically separate them. Otherwise even more players will leave.

I have been doing solo queues for the passed 2-3 hours and I only lost match out of the 5 or 6. Then again, my teams were always 40+ so they were at least experienced, and the teams we played against we rank 5- 22, and that was all 5 or 6 games.

The one game I lost someone was afk, who would have thought…

This has nothing to do with the matchmaking rating and everything to do with solo queues not being separated from group queues.

If you want to solo queue successfully, just play for 10 hours. Lose at least 50 of your matches in a row.

Then your hidden rating will plummet so low that you will get stuffed with bad players, and don’t have to worry about good premades.

Fun fun for everyone.

It is normal to get such results during the first possible day of the change. Eventually the pre-made teams will stomp a couple of pugs, so that their rating is high enough to not be set against solo queuers. You can make this out just by reading the patch notes…

I say it now in every thread, so I say it here (maybe A-net will hear me one day). There is no need in rankings or ratings. Give us random teams. It will reduce queues greatly. Also it will be definitely more fun. Players can have personal rating just to know who is better, that’s all. Teams of 5 should have separate queue. In random matches there is a point to limit party size to 2 members, AND if one team has a premade party the other team should too. ArenaNet, you can easily learn about PvP matchmaking from other games. There is no point in trying “to re-invent a bicycle”. For instance, you can download World of Tanks client (it is free btw ) and see how the balanced matchmaking for e-sport can be implemented.

bomber.1540:

matching making based on ratings takes time.. its been hours since the release, so it is simply crazy to be complaining at this point. give it a few weeks at least

go back to paids? what paids? when i play there are NO paids on at all, ever. same can be said for everyone who doesnt play during peak US time.

this leads me to the solo q seperate from team q. This would not work either cos there is not enough premade to make it viable imo. so if your a premade, trying to play at non peak times, it simply wont happen or you will just vs the same team over and over.

and you said you won 4/9 games while q’ing solo.. i dont see a problem there

I see your point. But what I am trying to say is that it should keep premades and solo q apart. Or try to. And it doesnt at all. This is nothing to do with ratings. Ratings should be secondary. First the system should ask “Is there another solo q team” If yes it should match you with them before even looking for premades with similar ratings as the solo queue.

Just to give some more feedback. I have done more testing and I literally run into a premade with a solo q team EVERY GAME. Every single game it puts them against top premades with a bunch of solo queuers. And the wierd thing is that often I have a few players under level 10 on my team. I mean wtf. How is this possible. Its such a demoralising experience. Please remove the join solo button to spare casuals this

Just to share my experience, I have actually been getting decent to good match-ups for the last around 10 games I played. No more leavers, and some really really close games. I haven’t faced premades but some 2, 3 or 4 groups. Seems to be working for me at least!

Lordrosicky.5813:

Here is what happened:

- I got a full set of solo queuers on my team 7 times and the other 2 times I was with a duo/trio and solo queuers
- I got matched against a full premade 7 times, a full solo team once and 1 trio + duo team
- I won my first 3 games and then lost 5 of the next 6

Conclusion – Queuing solo in this game is a nightmare.

Are you kidding me? You went against a bunch a ton of premades with solo queuers and your record was 4-5. That’s as close to splitting as you can get with an odd number of games.

Yet your conclusion is that it’s a nightmare? You won half your games, that proves the exact opposite: the queue system is working and you’re being put in even matches. It sounds to me that you want to be put up against nothing but solo queuers so you can try to carry randoms to victory, which is pathetic.

Celeras.4980:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Here is what happened:

- I got a full set of solo queuers on my team 7 times and the other 2 times I was with a duo/trio and solo queuers
- I got matched against a full premade 7 times, a full solo team once and 1 trio + duo team
- I won my first 3 games and then lost 5 of the next 6

Conclusion – Queuing solo in this game is a nightmare.

Are you kidding me? You went against a bunch a ton of premades with solo queuers and your record was 4-5. That’s as close to splitting as you can get with an odd number of games.

Yet your conclusion is that it’s a nightmare? You won half your games, that proves the exact opposite: the queue system is working and you’re being put in even matches. It sounds to me that you want to be put up against nothing but solo queuers so you can try to carry randoms to victory, which is pathetic.

The first three were against teams which were obv pve guilds trying out the new map so its more like 1-5

My rating is going like a yo-yo.

I win a couple of times, get full premades the following two times.

Rinse.

Repeat.

Moreover i have to switch build everytime i go to spirit watch because thief D/P burst build is HORRIBAD in that map.

Altough it was a step in the right direction, this is easily becoming a disaster if they don’t do something to fix solo queue vs premades.

How gw2 pvp community thinks ladder works: ‘’OMG MY MMR ISN’T ONLY GOING UP THE GAME MUST BE BROKEN I’M SO GOOD I SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE RATING I SHOULDN’T LOSE TO PLAYERS BETTER THAN ME WHAT THE KITTEN IS GOING THE KITTEN IN THE KITTEN KITTEN KITEEN"