Guild Wars 2

Today, in one sitting, I played 31 solo queues, trying desperately to move through a single tier by solo queueing and a (very occasional) duo queue. The last 2 days, playing around 25 games a day I have still been unable to clear tier 4 emerald, I find it, impossible. For the entertainment of ArenaNet employees, here’s how my day went (Starting and ending with 0 pips in tier 4 emerald)

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I’ve lost all respect for this game. Pvp is now a mindless chore that simply wastes time, I tried with multiple different class of which I far exceed average skill level.

I am done with this bullkitten, all I want to say now is, kitten YOU ARENANET, kitten ALL OF U AND YOUR HORRIBLE BALANCE, kitten REVENANT RESISTANCE FOR DAYS, kitten BUNKER MESMER, kitten REAPER CHILL, NO SKILL TRUE SHOTS, kitten IT, IF UR GOING TO BUILD A GAME MAKE IT GOD kitten FUN YOU PIECES OF kitten.

kitten, u played 8 hours non stop?

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

kitten, u played 8 hours non stop?

Yep, and now I’m done, until they fix this kitten.

Add progression and all of a sudden what PvPers preferred to do despite the lack of rewards suddenly becomes a mindless chore.

No, you didn’t waste your time. By playing you’re regularly putting yourself in a position that encourages your mind to send certain kinds of signal faster and with less effort. This can translate into performing certain skills better, like driving a car, remembering times and dates, multitasking, etc. You only feel like you’ve wasted your time because your sole focus was limited to winning and advancing in the current league. Yes, the game could be made to be much better than it currently is. You can also make this much less of an issue for yourself by prioritizing your personal growth in all areas of life more than just wins and pips in GW2.

I am just curious what will you do if I put the pvp programmer in front of you

See you in overwatch.

Chris.6089:

I am just curious what will you do if I put the pvp programmer in front of you

I would honestly laugh at them for thinking in a 50% odd of winning game having wins equal losses was a good idea.

Do you not have fun playing pvp?

You played 8 hrs didn’t you get into some fun fights or duels?

Why is progression the only factor in so many peoples fun.

I have played some PvP. I win some, lose some its all the same to me.

Played 2 hours yesterday had 3 wins and 5 loss and had allot of fun fighting on the side nodes with 2v1 1v1 and 2v2s . Almost was 7 wins and 1 loss as each mach was so close.

It’s ok I have the same problem, it might involve the premades

well, play bunker mes or rev and carry the game

Bishop.5938:

do you not have fun playing pvp?

You played 8 hrs didn’t you get into some fun fights or duels?

Why is progression the only factor in so many peoples fun.

I have played some PvP. I win some, lose some its all the same to me.

(edit typo)

Because progression gives you a sense of direction, something to work towards to rather than just playing random games.

Of course there’s always two sides to a coin, one side prefers the competition, progression, and a sense of accomplishment when they achieve a goal. The other side is more casual: prefers enjoyment in the game mode, patient, etc.

If you’re open minded, it’s easy to understand why progression is an important factor in satisfaction. Don’t just view it from a lax perspective (I’m not implying that you’re ignorant, but suggest to be wary of others’ viewpoint). Plus, he probably did have enjoyable games, consider the 4 win streak in the beginning.

@OP
I know exactly how you feel. 8 hours ago of Ranked, I was at 5 pips on ruby. Now, I have no pips in ruby.

See attachments for one of the reasons.

OverpoweredNecro’s skill level is tournament tier. So assume his MMR is rooftop.

His win/loss ratio is indicative of a faulty system. He’s a much better player than me but one thing we have in common is that the teammates we end up with have extra chromosomes.

Let me share with you direct from the devs:

I got through tier 1 emerald in about 8 games (or something), and did so on full glass berserker

:D

I swear these forums are full of crybabies and whiners. I enjoy this new PvP system. It actually requires skill and rewards u for having skill. I mean come on a main a Thief exclusively and I’m at tier 5 emerald

Timston.1976:

It’s ok I have the same problem, it might involve the premades

Did you take that image on your phone?

Shovel Face.4512:

I swear these forums are full of crybabies and whiners. I enjoy this new PvP system. It actually requires skill and rewards u for having skill. I mean come on a main a Thief exclusively and I’m at tier 5 emerald

If you read in between the lines, OP is an ESL player. It is likely he has a high MMR, which is working to his disadvantage since he gets matched up with much harder opponents. This means he can’t progress as easily through the system as an inexperienced person with low MMR.

Leohart.4610:

Bishop.5938:

do you not have fun playing pvp?

You played 8 hrs didn’t you get into some fun fights or duels?

Why is progression the only factor in so many peoples fun.

I have played some PvP. I win some, lose some its all the same to me.

(edit typo)

Because progression gives you a sense of direction, something to work towards to rather than just playing random games.

Of course there’s always two sides to a coin, one side prefers the competition, progression, and a sense of accomplishment when they achieve a goal. The other side is more casual: prefers enjoyment in the game mode, patient, etc.

If you’re open minded, it’s easy to understand why progression is an important factor in satisfaction. Don’t just view it from a lax perspective (I’m not implying that you’re ignorant, but suggest to be wary of others’ viewpoint). Plus, he probably did have enjoyable games, consider the 4 win streak in the beginning.

I understand the importance of progression. Though in a team orientated game I don’t understand how people expect to progress playing solo. If solo Q is your thing, you should go in with the mindset of just having some fun and if lucky you will go up in tiers.

If you are a “hardcore GW2 pvp leet” and you want the “satisfaction” of leveling up in tiers you really should get a team together.

Wasted time = Didnt have fun?

Technically, video game = wasted time, as you could be doing something more productive.

So, potentially, re-evaluate whether you have fun with pvp, or if winning is the only thing you find “fun”.

At the end of the day, its a game, and its for fun. Relax a bit, and enjoy it.

Malpractice.7850:

Wasted time = Didnt have fun?

Technically, video game = wasted time, as you could be doing something more productive.

So, potentially, re-evaluate whether you have fun with pvp, or if winning is the only thing you find “fun”.

At the end of the day, its a game, and its for fun. Relax a bit, and enjoy it.

This current meta, once you are ruby or sapphire, you must play bunker meta or whatever other meta there is for your class to win.

That is what not having fun is, and wasting time. This is the worst PvP has ever been. Massive fail anet.

Henrik.7560:

Malpractice.7850:

Wasted time = Didnt have fun?

Technically, video game = wasted time, as you could be doing something more productive.

So, potentially, re-evaluate whether you have fun with pvp, or if winning is the only thing you find “fun”.

At the end of the day, its a game, and its for fun. Relax a bit, and enjoy it.

This current meta, once you are ruby or sapphire, you must play bunker meta or whatever other meta there is for your class to win.

That is what not having fun is, and wasting time. This is the worst PvP has ever been. Massive fail anet.

Thats fine. I get that. But by saying “I didnt gain a pip, today sucked, and I wasted time because I didnt gain a pip” in my mind is stupid.

QQ about the balance, but dont QQ because you didnt make progress. (imo)

Bishop.5938:

Leohart.4610:

Bishop.5938:

do you not have fun playing pvp?

You played 8 hrs didn’t you get into some fun fights or duels?

Why is progression the only factor in so many peoples fun.

I have played some PvP. I win some, lose some its all the same to me.

(edit typo)

Because progression gives you a sense of direction, something to work towards to rather than just playing random games.

Of course there’s always two sides to a coin, one side prefers the competition, progression, and a sense of accomplishment when they achieve a goal. The other side is more casual: prefers enjoyment in the game mode, patient, etc.

If you’re open minded, it’s easy to understand why progression is an important factor in satisfaction. Don’t just view it from a lax perspective (I’m not implying that you’re ignorant, but suggest to be wary of others’ viewpoint). Plus, he probably did have enjoyable games, consider the 4 win streak in the beginning.

I understand the importance of progression. Though in a team orientated game I don’t understand how people expect to progress playing solo. If solo Q is your thing, you should go in with the mindset of just having some fun and if lucky you will go up in tiers.

If you are a “hardcore GW2 pvp leet” and you want the “satisfaction” of leveling up in tiers you really should get a team together.

About the solo queues, I suppose it’s from the old system when solo queue was a thing. My memory’s hazy, but I’ve noticed people asking solo queue to be brought back, so it’s safe to say it is desirable, or that people do enjoy being able to queue up with randoms, knowing everyone else is random, and just going at it from there.

We’re stuck in a system that asks for coordinated team oriented game play (to rank up), but the only way to rank is to join ranked matches. The ones soloing in ranked matches are often put against pre-mades and people are blaming the matchmaking system.

Then you got the problems where one person disconnects, you win a 4 v 5, but you still lose pips or you disconnect but reconnect and not gain any pip despite being there for the most of the game. Furthermore, balancing issues.

With all this, it’s easy to see the frustration in players, especially those who don’t have a team, because it’s not catering to solo players (wonky matchmaking).

Edit: Sorry for the rant.

Solo Q was a thing. It failed due to population problems. I believe that the current system is better as you can q with 5, 4, 3, 2 or solo. If you do q with anything other then 5 people you cant expect to be able to beat full teams, though it is possible.

You can also see other people you play with and if you like how the play invite them to your group and form up a team.

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Chris.6089:

I am just curious what will you do if I put the pvp programmer in front of you

I would honestly laugh at them for thinking in a 50% odd of winning game having wins equal losses was a good idea.

Lol…. me too, me too. Like I said the most idiotic system ever known to man. Now I have seem it all. Seriously ANet designers use your brain a bit, use common sense a bit.

bigmonto.4215:

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Chris.6089:

I am just curious what will you do if I put the pvp programmer in front of you

I would honestly laugh at them for thinking in a 50% odd of winning game having wins equal losses was a good idea.

Lol…. me too, me too. Like I said the most idiotic system ever known to man. Now I have seem it all. Seriously ANet designers use your brain a bit, use common sense a bit.

Oddly enough, Sc2 uses the same method, but no one complains in that game.

In b4 this gets deleted. Anything against ANet will be deleted soon enough.. whether it’s true or not. They don’t want people buying the game to realize how crap the PvP scene is atm considering they are TRYING to be esports.

Malpractice.7850:

bigmonto.4215:

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Chris.6089:

I am just curious what will you do if I put the pvp programmer in front of you

I would honestly laugh at them for thinking in a 50% odd of winning game having wins equal losses was a good idea.

Lol…. me too, me too. Like I said the most idiotic system ever known to man. Now I have seem it all. Seriously ANet designers use your brain a bit, use common sense a bit.

Oddly enough, Sc2 uses the same method, but no one complains in that game.

The huge difference is, SC2 uses placement matches to determine your starting league, and from there on your progression is based purely on your MMR.

It’s not the same system at all, since in GW2, the player with the highest MMR in the world could theoretically be in the same division as the player with the lowest MMR in the world. This isn’t possible in SC2.

But yes, in a sense they use the same method, except SC2 rewards high MMR with a higher tier, whereas GW2 punishes high MMR by making it harder to progress; you face more difficult opponents, but still gain pips at the exact same rate as someone with way lower MMR.

rennlc.7346:

No, you didn’t waste your time. By playing you’re regularly putting yourself in a position that encourages your mind to send certain kinds of signal faster and with less effort. This can translate into performing certain skills better, like driving a car, remembering times and dates, multitasking, etc. You only feel like you’ve wasted your time because your sole focus was limited to winning and advancing in the current league. Yes, the game could be made to be much better than it currently is. You can also make this much less of an issue for yourself by prioritizing your personal growth in all areas of life more than just wins and pips in GW2.

i love this so much hahaha Sounds to me like this is a player skill issue/ Life Choice issue

DarthDragonVanquisher.6912:

rennlc.7346:

No, you didn’t waste your time. By playing you’re regularly putting yourself in a position that encourages your mind to send certain kinds of signal faster and with less effort. This can translate into performing certain skills better, like driving a car, remembering times and dates, multitasking, etc. You only feel like you’ve wasted your time because your sole focus was limited to winning and advancing in the current league. Yes, the game could be made to be much better than it currently is. You can also make this much less of an issue for yourself by prioritizing your personal growth in all areas of life more than just wins and pips in GW2.

i love this so much hahaha Sounds to me like this is a player skill issue/ Life Choice issue

I didn’t write that to insult him. I wrote it to challenge him and help him become more aware of what he can do with even a flawed video game so he play it more healthfully. If it’s a life choice issue, it’s because he made the choice to focus on just winning without being aware of some of alternative choices and/or being aware of how much more helpful some of those alternatives can be (particularly when winning is difficult like it currently is in the PvP league). You’re appreciating my reply for the wrong reason, Darth.

If you are better than average, your win ratio will be over 50% and you will climb tiers. If not, maybe practise more.

Boss Nomad.6487:

If you are better than average, your win ratio will be over 50% and you will climb tiers. If not, maybe practise more.

“Better than average” is a bit misleading. Two players could have the same win/loss % ratio, but one player could be facing more difficult opponents due to higher MMR.

You’re not really trying to beat the average with the league system, you’re trying to beat your average, which is why it is a lot harder for good players who played a lot pre-league and have high MMR than it is for people who just started; they’re already at their correct MMR and at the peak of their skill level, while simultaneously being in the bottom of the league system. It’s an uphill struggle all the way.

“Practice more” won’t really do much when you’re already at the top, only the league system won’t recognize it because it doesn’t discern between high MMR and low MMR.

Schurge.5194:

Add progression with broken matching system that kittens you all the time and all of a sudden what PvPers preferred to do despite the lack of rewards suddenly becomes a mindless chore.

I fixed it for you.

PVE has been garbage like forever. They have killed wvw and now kittenting on pvp aswell. But I still wanna thank anet for that. Because of these questionable decisions they have made, pushed me to other games. And oh boy oh boy are there good ones too.

So thank you Anet for opening my eyes and seeing all the greatness outside of Tyria!

rennlc.7346:

No, you didn’t waste your time. By playing you’re regularly putting yourself in a position that encourages your mind to send certain kinds of signal faster and with less effort. This can translate into performing certain skills better, like driving a car, remembering times and dates, multitasking, etc. You only feel like you’ve wasted your time because your sole focus was limited to winning and advancing in the current league. Yes, the game could be made to be much better than it currently is. You can also make this much less of an issue for yourself by prioritizing your personal growth in all areas of life more than just wins and pips in GW2.

If you look at the win/loss, I got worse near the end, so I got titled, started making mistakes, and started reinforcing them.

I just wanted to add something to this post by the way. People who farmed up to ruby and diamond with teams are having a hard time getting matches because others are not in the same tier. If the vast majority of people are stuck in emerald and sapphire and are literally unable to move, how is that going to fix the issue for the players stuck in high leagues with 30 min queues?

at least they have their legendary backpack #sarcasm

It’s pretty bad atm the League system and your advancing through the pips and its relation to MMR, don’t get too obsessed with it, I pretty much gave up soon as I got nowhere in ruby after 8 hours. Anything before ruby should be fine, you will eventually get there, because the tiers are checkpoints which you won’t lose, maybe aim for a tier a day. Those tiers were really easy for me, I was losing heaps in emerald tier 2 with premades and kitten for ages, felt like I was going nowhere.

Then i went solo with a new bunker mesmer build I made. Ended up tier 4 sapphire that night after 8 hours, and ruby in the morning after 3 more hours. Once I got to ruby tho, couldn’t get anywhere at all. MMR had finally caught up with me. I’d get to tier 2 ruby then lose all my pips several times. If Ruby wouldn’t lose tiers, yes I would be still advancing slowly.

Overall to sum up my experience of my story, it’s a very stupid system. Very stupid. Even worse, the meta makes it borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring, everyone is using bunker mes, condi rev, bunker scrapper, earth water tempest and others. Lawd. It’s worse than the old turret engi meta. This new pvp season is the worst one ever, massive fail anet.

twhite.9310:

In b4 this gets deleted. Anything against ANet will be deleted soon enough.. whether it’s true or not. They don’t want people buying the game to realize how crap the PvP scene is atm considering they are TRYING to be esports.

Oh it’s true, in fact, I’m just waiting for Even to come in here and correct me, stating something like: You actually wasted 24 hours because you’ve done 120 matches in that tier to no avail. When in reality I only started counting that last day.

Malpractice.7850:

bigmonto.4215:

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Chris.6089:

I am just curious what will you do if I put the pvp programmer in front of you

I would honestly laugh at them for thinking in a 50% odd of winning game having wins equal losses was a good idea.

Lol…. me too, me too. Like I said the most idiotic system ever known to man. Now I have seem it all. Seriously ANet designers use your brain a bit, use common sense a bit.

Oddly enough, Sc2 uses the same method, but no one complains in that game.

Starcraft 2 does not use the same system……..at all. The current matchmaking system in GW2 is not even close to anything on the market, it’s a complete failure.

Blizzard also just redid the entire match making for legacy of the void, and they are working on improving it even better in Jan.

P.S. stop comparing MMO’s to different Genres they don’t work the same at all.

Unless I miscounted, that’s 13 wins in 25 games.

Why should you advance when you’re only winning ~50% of your games? Doesn’t that mean you’re exactly where you should be?

I get that higher MMR is a factor here, but you’re Emerald 4.

I would think the majority of the game’s top talent has already moved out of that division, and is already ruby/diamond. You just can’t be facing PZ/Abjured premades one after another, so that can’t be your excuse for not progressing.

It also can’t be remaining that high when you’re losing 3-4 games in a row. Ideally your MMR should be decaying in such situations pretty heavily, especially during that 5 wins in 15 games stretch. If it’s not, that’s probably something they should consider changing.

And while I do understand that you’re a talented player, this is a new meta with a lot of low skill floor builds. Coupled with the influx of a lot of new/returning players to PvP, it’s entirely possible that the league has just increased solo queue parity in PvP.

There are just a lot of factors not being considered here.

Malpractice.7850:

bigmonto.4215:

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Chris.6089:

I am just curious what will you do if I put the pvp programmer in front of you

I would honestly laugh at them for thinking in a 50% odd of winning game having wins equal losses was a good idea.

Lol…. me too, me too. Like I said the most idiotic system ever known to man. Now I have seem it all. Seriously ANet designers use your brain a bit, use common sense a bit.

Oddly enough, Sc2 uses the same method, but no one complains in that game.

Hmm, are u acting ? Sc2 is about mechanical skills, for seeing etc, where you don’t have other variables, as team mates, enemies, their comps….. and surely, if they would wipe the leagues there, random Joe wouldn’t ever face WCG SC2 champion because they are on the same w/l rate and in the same league at the start rofl.

the biggest issue is (probably) MMR is independant of ur current league… and it shouldn’t be .

Two ppl are both in sapphire but one is ancient ESL player and the other one is a new player that started the game 2 months ago. They haven’t the same skill lvl but they are stuck in the same division.

Shylock.4653:

Firebird.8324:

I tried with multiple different class of which I far exceed average skill level.

No offense intended, but how do you know that?

I have over 50 esl experience, have competed in vVv tournament, glory tournament, legend tournament, all of the qualifiers, many monthlies, etc. I play only 2 classes guardian and necro, which translates into DH and Reaper, I am very experienced at both, having over 2500 hours on each class.

@op

Leagues are not for solo players. It’s as simple as that.

The old soloQ leaderboard was a perfect indication of how much luck a random a player can have “climbing up” the ladder.

Unless it’s some 1v1 tourny, there has never been a system in GW2 that measured individual skill level… This game has always been pointless for any solo player, so why even complain?