Guild Wars 2

Before you argue to me that: “Deep Freeze has an obvious animation and long cast time, so you should learn to dodge it”, in a team fight situation, it’s simply an One Hit KO skill to any classes that didn’t bring instant activate invulnerable. (elixer S, mist form, etc)

5 seconds that you can do absolutely nothing: no moving, no casting, no self defense unless it’s instant activation, can’t break stun out of it, stability doesn’t work unless precast. Basically if you fight any remotely cooperative team who actually calls target, when this skill lands, you’re down, simple as that.

You can say: “learn to dodge”, but when you’re actually being focused fire, there’s a high chance your opponent immobilize or stun you before they actually land Deep Freeze on you, so basically when an ice bow ele ganks you with his other members, you can barely resist such combo. The cooldown of Ice bow is not that long either.

I think this skill need abit of tune down, like making it a 3 seconds frozen solid, and make it stun breakable to add some counter-play.

Aomine.5012:

Before you argue to me that: “Deep Freeze has an obvious animation and long cast time, so you should learn to dodge it”, in a team fight situation, it’s simply an One Hit KO skill to any classes that didn’t bring instant activate invulnerable. (elixer S, mist form, etc)

5 seconds that you can do absolutely nothing: no moving, no casting, no self defense unless it’s instant activation, can’t break stun out of it, stability doesn’t work unless precast. Basically if you fight any remotely cooperative team who actually calls target, when this skill lands, you’re down, simple as that.

You can say: “learn to dodge”, but when you’re actually being focused fire, there’s a high chance your opponent immobilize or stun you before they actually land Deep Freeze on you, so basically when an ice bow ele ganks you with his other members, you can barely resist such combo. The cooldown of Ice bow is not that long either.

I think this skill need abit of tune down, like making it a 3 seconds frozen solid, and make it stun breakable to add some counter-play.

u can reflect it, its hilarious if it happens

anyway, yaknow, an ele is giving an utility slot for it, need to cast it(they r so glassy, especially casting it in teamfights is like suicide, cause even a bunker ele cant can drop like a fly if he stays still, eles defences r about active defences, only a pretty good positioned ele would dare using frostbow 5, same arguments could be made for example warrior stances, what can u do if he has stances up and stays on points? unlike other damage mitigators it doesnt prevent capture point, and u cant do anything for 5-8 s

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

Deep Freeze has an obvious animation and long cast time, so you should learn to dodge it! It also has a really obvious sound! As a turret Engi, you are really weak to focus fire, among other things, since all you can do is auto attack and hope the other guy is dumb enough to die to your turrets!! Consider grabbing Tool Kit to alleviate pressure! Elixir S works wonders too!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

I think it’s fine. The few times I get hit by it I usually laugh hard.

This thread is amusing

Hello frands! Ayaílla here, #1 Ele NA/EU/CN and world first rank 1!

Deep Freeze has an obvious animation and long cast time, so you should learn to dodge it!

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Hello frands! Zues here, #1 and i dgaf about 1st but I think deep freeze is fine…L2Dodge..!

WAHOO! BYE FRANDS! (sarcasm intended)

Hello frands! #1 casual yolo player here! I do what ArrDee does and not bother to read OP post and tell him to do what he says don’t tell him to do because I like to read my own text in random pvp threads!

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Hai everybody! Doctor Nick here! I’m just joining in with the mimicry! I don’t know where spleens come from!

Also the Frost Bow is far too clunky! The only way Deep Freeze is useful is for keeping fish fresh!

Bye everybody!

cheese.4739:

Hai everybody! Doctor Nick here! I’m just joining in with the mimicry! I don’t know where spleens come from!

Also the Frost Bow is far too clunky! The only way Deep Freeze is useful is for keeping fish fresh!

Bye everybody!

u-u-uu just messed it up

Hello frands Heidia here, #1 all rounder ele that excels in all areas within this game.

Deep freeze is extremely powerful but it can be easily avoided even on team encounters. The sacrifice of a defensive utility is too great. This conjure weapon works only on players that don’t pay attention to their surroundings while engaged in combat.

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PS: That catch phrase from Vee Wee has become contagious lol

Wyrden.4713:

u-u-uu just messed it up

Are you stammering because your teeth are chattering due to the DEEP FREEZE?

cheese.4739:

Wyrden.4713:

u-u-uu just messed it up

Are you stammering because your teeth are chattering due to the DEEP FREEZE?

cant be , i still got over 90% health and ya know wat dat means!

Lopez.7369:

It’s really obvious and should always be dodged, but there’s really no reason stun-breakers shouldn’t work on it. It’s an obvious bug that the developers seem to have turned into a feature. Then again, the developers probably have no idea that stun-breakers don’t work on it, considering their track record.

o.o much faith

elite venom of thiefs used to work the same way

hello frands! #1 elite thief OP nerfplx!

WAHOO!! bye frands!

Hello Frands! Detective Fa…Tapp here, #1 Fan of games overall!

Jigsaw says he likes this game and it will be used in “Saw #69” !

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inb4:

’hello frands! first world rank anet dev here!

since thread went offtopic dis much we will now close it!

wahoo bye frands! ’

Oh my God they’re breeding!

Indisputable proof that most of the forum community is losing their mind… Well, you know what they say, if you cannot beat them (…)

Hello frands! Brandon here #1 forum whiner and first to admit that this game is more enjoyable with some alcohol!

Not being able to counter a person when charing Deep Freeze is just thilly! If you have problems surving after reaching sub-zero, Brandon recommends becomming Batman!

Wahoo bye – ugh… I felt my intellect dropping… How can someone do this consistantly?

GoogleBrandon.5073:

How can someone do this consistantly?

You merely adopted the wahoo. VeeWee was born in it, molded by it. By the time he saw the forums, he was already a man.

Honestly if you get hit by a Deep Freeze, it’s your own fault. However I do love some Deep Freeze + Judge’s Intervention, land a majority of them if you do that.

Is deep freeze harder to land than moa ? (just a question…I have no idea)

definitely harder: deep freeze is a lot easier to notice even in a crowded fight (also coming with a very distinct sound cue), requires you to “precast” it (by equipping icebow) which will warn anyone familiar with the skill and finally it fires a very slow, wobbly moving projectile.

it’s basically only ever going to work in combination with blinks of some sort, cc from other party members or afk players.

Imho Deep freeze isn’t that much of a problem, its similar to thief venom. What I am more concerned about is Ice storm which allows two players to literally obliterate a cap point in a matter of seconds (Ice storm covers the whole point and there are two Ice bows per ele).

holodoc.5748:

Imho Deep freeze isn’t that much of a problem, its similar to thief venom. What I am more concerned about is Ice storm which allows two players to literally obliterate a cap point in a matter of seconds (Ice storm covers the whole point and there are two Ice bows per ele).

Guess what, if your job is to bunk at a point and try to not be decaped, chances are on those very tiny nods, Ele can get very close to you and their member can soft CC/hard CC you then deep freeze then use this Ice Storm Combo to kill you very quickly ^^.
Plus it doesn’t has to be Ele who’s actually using the bow, a mesmer or guardian or theif can do the job too while blinking near you.

Honestly, just because it’s hard to land doesn’t justify the OHKO element in a team fight. If Deep Freeze is ok to do OHKO if it lands because it’s hard to land, how about making kill shot does 30k fixed damage then? It’s so obvious and hard to land right?
Elixer f is harder to land than Deep Freeze, so it should cause 10 secs immobilize that’re unremovable from condition clear right?

Mao doesn’t even come close because you can still dodge or run away while transformed, and also has super long CD. Deep Freeze is only 30 cd, and each Ele can have 2 Ice bow summoned every 60 seconds.

PS: For those who said Deep Freeze is not a threat, I wonder if they do Team Q on a regular base. In hotjoin it sure isn’t an issue due to everyone trying to be as noob as they can. (Triple cap at empty node, 2 people chasing a running foe, etc) Sure not many team can utilize this combo because true cooperative team and skillful Eles are kinda rare, but if they do show up, it’ll be a hell lots of trouble.

Aomine.5012:

holodoc.5748:

Imho Deep freeze isn’t that much of a problem, its similar to thief venom. What I am more concerned about is Ice storm which allows two players to literally obliterate a cap point in a matter of seconds (Ice storm covers the whole point and there are two Ice bows per ele).

Guess what, if your job is to bunk at a point and try to not be decaped, chances are on those very tiny nods, Ele can get very close to you and their member can soft CC/hard CC you then deep freeze then use this Ice Storm Combo to kill you very quickly ^^.
Plus it doesn’t has to be Ele who’s actually using the bow, a mesmer or guardian or theif can do the job too while blinking near you.

Honestly, just because it’s hard to land doesn’t justify the OHKO element in a team fight. If Deep Freeze is ok to do OHKO if it lands because it’s hard to land, how about making kill shot does 30k fixed damage then? It’s so obvious and hard to land right?
Elixer f is harder to land than Deep Freeze, so it should cause 10 secs immobilize that’re unremovable from condition clear right?

Mao doesn’t even come close because you can still dodge or run away while transformed, and also has super long CD. Deep Freeze is only 30 cd, and each Ele can have 2 Ice bow summoned every 60 seconds.

PS: For those who said Deep Freeze is not a threat, I wonder if they do Team Q on a regular base. In hotjoin it sure isn’t an issue due to everyone trying to be as noob as they can. (Triple cap at empty node, 2 people chasing a running foe, etc) Sure not many team can utilize this combo because true cooperative team and skillful Eles are kinda rare, but if they do show up, it’ll be a hell lots of trouble.

ur teammate could help maybe as well? this game isnt balanced around 1vx at all..

Hahaha. A nerf thread about Ice Bow and Deep Freeze!
This is genious.

Lopez.7369:

It’s really obvious and should always be dodged, but there’s really no reason stun-breakers shouldn’t work on it. It’s an obvious bug that the developers seem to have turned into a feature. Then again, the developers probably have no idea that stun-breakers don’t work on it, considering their track record.

This. Nothing more to add.

Id totally be up for nerfing its duration in pvp. As long as that nerf came with a shorter cast time/cd + usable on the move + faster projectile, just like most of the other cc in game. Oh and buff the 1 and 2 skills too.

Deal?

its op because eles are op, before this ele buff noone was qqing about ice bow cause noone used eles. and if your gonna say ice bow is op, how about the constant self heal and boons from staff eles. thats more of an issue that ice bow, if hes in ice bow he dies soo much faster i just wish more eles were dumb enough to use it.

This thread delivers.

Greetings Minions,

World first Skyhammer King and Top Voted mouth breather here,

Deep freeze is bad game design pure and simple, and smells of Classic Arenanet “Oh This is still in the game?” Just like Stunbreakers not breaking Launches/KBs which was later “Changed” (Read: Fixed)

What’s Wrong with having an cc- Ability which is not broken by Stunbreaks?
One- It’s counter intuitive.
Two- Absolutely OP.
Three- Not Esports.

Long may he reign.

Darnis.4056:

Greetings Minions,

World first Skyhammer King and Top Voted mouth breather here,

Deep freeze is bad game design pure and simple, and smells of Classic Arenanet “Oh This is still in the game?” Just like Stunbreakers not breaking Launches/KBs which was later “Changed” (Read: Fixed)

What’s Wrong with having an cc- Ability which is not broken by Stunbreaks?
One- It’s counter intuitive.
Two- Absolutely OP.
Three- Not Esports.

Long may he reign.

Wahoo! Bye Frands!

Fixed.

Hello frands! Lad Guy here, #1 Teef NA and world first rank 80!

Lad Guy thinks Frost Bow is fine! There is counter play to it! When you play against freeze mage in Hearthstone is when you should complain! Think you can attack next turn, think again! Your opponent has Frost Nova to prevent that! It is so thupid! This is why Lad Guy recommends playing control warrior to counter freeze mage!

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Sizer.5632:

Id totally be up for nerfing its duration in pvp. As long as that nerf came with a shorter cast time/cd + usable on the move + faster projectile, just like most of the other cc in game. Oh and buff the 1 and 2 skills too.

Deal?

Didn’t expect Mr. Sizer will reply to this
I totally agree with the idea of making Ice-bow 1 and 2 more viable.
And if Deep Freeze stun breakable and shorter duration, those request are reasonable, because necromancer has even longer Fear duration but they’re still not OP because it’s counterable.

Sizer.5632:

Id totally be up for nerfing its duration in pvp. As long as that nerf came with a shorter cast time/cd + usable on the move + faster projectile, just like most of the other cc in game. Oh and buff the 1 and 2 skills too.

Deal?

I’m on board with this idea 100%

What an awesome thread! lmao

Technically, deep freeze isn’t a stun, it’s a freeze. You can dodge/reflect it or blink out of it.

I have been deep freezed a while ago as i wasn’t paying attention. Luckily i was on staff and could reflect the second projectile to its source before i blinked away. Well i guess he didn’t see it coming either. I would have paid to see his face.

Hello frands! Troglodyte Prime here, Terribad from nowhere!

Deep Freeze has an obvious animation and long cast time, so you should learn to dodge it!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Darnis.4056:

Just like Stunbreakers not breaking Launches/KBs which was later “Changed” (Read: Fixed)

Actually this is only true for the instant stunbreakers. Well of power and stomp (or all the non instant stun breaker) still dont break launches/Knockbacks since they cannot be casted during the time you are in the air.

oh wonders.... in the end, it turned out to be another warrior QQ thread.

fix my killshot plx...

holodoc.5748:

Imho Deep freeze isn’t that much of a problem, its similar to thief venom. What I am more concerned about is Ice storm which allows two players to literally obliterate a cap point in a matter of seconds (Ice storm covers the whole point and there are two Ice bows per ele).

Actually thief’s venom can be cleared with a stunbreaker. Deep freeze can’t be cleared. After the first few patches, basilisk venom was revamped as a “stun” instead of “petrify” because unbreakable stuns were deemed gamebreaking.
I think OP wants the same for Deep Freeze.