Guild Wars 2

In GW 1 players could get Zaishen Keys from playing PvP. These keys were only available through PvP and could be freely traded amongst players.

They essentially opened a chest in the game that could grant you anything from dyes to weapons, with the more valuable stuff being much rarer (iirc, been a while since I opened one). I also remember there being some key items that couldn’t be acquired any other way than from the Zaishen Chests.

It essentially gave PvP’ers a currency to trade with PvE’ers, and also gave PvE’ers a reason to join PvP. Those who wanted to open the chests but didn’t want to PvP could just buy them from others.

I think bringing this system back for Team and Solo Arena would be great. As in after winning a certain amount of games or something (more so for Solo Arena obviously), players could be awarded keys to open the chest that I guess would live in the Mists. Top, really rare, item drops could be Exotics, High-end crafting mat bundles, Champion drop boxes, really rare mini’s and more…

However which way the awards system would work, it would boost the amount of bodies in PvP and give PvP’ers some progression in other parts of the game. The system could also be a platform for other unique PvP rewards like unique to PvP skins and accessories (which could also be used in PvE, like how the Zenith skins work but I guess a one time deal per drop).

I’m pretty sure it’s been brought up before but there’s no harm in going over it again. What do other’s think of it?

I’d say make it like GW1 where you bought them, except I’d say use glory instead and make them a little pricey in the glory side,

They need some factor to tie PvP to PvE and vice versa…

It will not happen.
Simply because they care about pve economy more than they care about any aspect of pvp. And why would they even want to make pve people play pvp? They need pve playerbase to sit there and spend cash on gems – not sit in pvp, because its not profitable.

sid.9870:

It will not happen.
Simply because they care about pve economy more than they care about any aspect of pvp. And why would they even want to make pve people play pvp? They need pve playerbase to sit there and spend cash on gems – not sit in pvp, because its not profitable.

Uh…. They said a few times they want to give PvE rewards in PvP to get more people playing PvP (because it would), and if more people were playing PvP than PvE they’d make MORE money because they couldn’t convert gold into gems. Because all the PvP players are goldless

sure add chests, 10,000 to 20,000 glory charge to open them.

All the PvP Players – someone did the math and it turned out that solo que population from both NA and EU is around 17k people. It does not include hotjoin, but here’s the thing – only a percentage of total population buys gems for irl currency – given the number of pvp population I can assume it will bring less profit than introducing a single 800-gem set of fancy armour.

Did you really just ask “…why would they even want to make pve people play pvp?…”

Anyway, whether Anet wants to or not is up to them. The thread is about what ‘we’ PvP’ers want.

Jon Peters asked us for specifics ‘details’. So here’s a suggestion with some…

What do ‘you’ want from PvP?

Oh I totally agree with you – I’d love zkeys back here, or some form of similar cross-format currency we could earn through pvp. I just shown you a reason it will never happen.

I’m kind of sick of anets representatives looping “we need constructive feedback/details”, because they have got loads (even from me) and ignored 99,9% of it.

As hard as it is for me to say it – pvp here is on a verge of total extinction and unless they make radical changes it will not be any better.
Since they are not willing to do so, I’ve got nothing to do here besides bashing on the game/developers for its 60 euro worth of it since Ive not recieved proper pvp format I was looking here for.

I suggested this, It Got ignored, along with many other suggestions.

I give up on this game.

I hear what you’re saying…

I’d just like to see Jon Peters step in and say “this is an idea we can consider” or “we can’t do this for various reasons”.

A simple dialogue from which other such things could spring… No, I won’t be holding my breathe for it, of course but the lights haven’t gone out in the Mists yet.

One of the barriers that causes sPvP population to be lower than normal is that …

Well, look at the game from a PvE and WvW perspective. It’s thriving, huge amount of players around. If we want to increase sPvP population, we have to go fetch players where they are available.

Why don’t PvE and WvW players play sPvP? There are plenty of reasons. Some of them plain don’t like sPvP (mostly pure PvEer that hate all forms of PvP). Let’s not consider those. Let’s take the players that actually find some interest in sPvP.

They like PvE, they also are interested in sPvP. When they play in sPvP, they do not get a single copper, no crafting mats, nothing. Barely no achievement points, no ectos nada. Since they get less “rewards” for their main interest in the game that is PvE, they can’t help but feel like they are getting punished by playing sPvP.

An hour spend playing sPvP should be as rewarding for them as an hour playing PvE. It wouldn’t hurt the economy at all if done right, ie as long as they don’t get much more ectos/gold for the time spent than in PvE. ZKeys could very well be the way for it.

Zaishen keys were great for GW1 and they definitely spurred a LOT of interest in the less-competitive modes (HB/RA/HA) which had been declining for a long time in GW1.

I think a similar system, with keys bought for glory, would be pretty effective in GW2. The best way to make it work would be to come up with a whole set of weapon skins available for PvE/PvP and make them exclusive to the PvP Chest.

Honestly though I’d rather not do this right now: PvP isn’t in a healthy enough tstate to develop designer resources to bringing in new players. It’s taken them a YEAR to implement superficial changes like Solo Queue, a Broken Leaderboard/MMR system, and Permanent Finishers. What we really need right now, is all the designer resources possible dedicated to creating a DISTINCT PVP BALANCE TEAM separate from the existing Balance Team, and a dedication to creating a fresh game mode with large, complex maps and multiple complex objectives.

Even a small addition like zkeys would be enough to keep me playing PvP. I want to feel like my efforts in PvP are completely wasted in terms of in game currency. Devs in gw1 recognized the importance of currency progression so they implemented great rewards for HA and PvP in general.

The thing is, liked wrote on it’s own it would be a nice system, but it could also be a platform for adding other PvP reward items as well in an albeit RnG way. Would really like to read more rational responses to this.

Would also like some input from Jon Peters and/or Jonathan Sharp. Are these enough details for you guys? What do you think in general?