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Incredible do not fix it (UA+confusion bug)
Wait… how do you see that death analysis screen? Never knew that existed.
Theres a simple fix to those problems.
1.) Use Mallyx, Concentration amulet and leadership runes and spam resistance and hope theres nobody spamming stuns on the other side.
2.) Go find a ele and stand near them for free condi clears.
3.) Go play another class that isn’t nerfed so much I.E. anything but Rev.
4.) Go Full zerker, bring a hammer, Don’t bother with condi clears, invocation’s condi clear is enough. You will kill them so fast they don’t even have a chance to apply
significant condis to you.
5.) Avoid Pistol Engis, Mesmers spamming confusion, Necros with scepter, Warriors with mace.
Can you help by explaining what happened in your game to get these numbers? I would imagine the damage should not exceed the amulet/profession health + downstate health. 83 ticks seems like a lot. You would have had to spam a lot of skills to get that much confusion combined in downstate. Maybe someone was ressing?
Can you help by explaining what happened in your game to get these numbers? I would imagine the damage should not exceed the amulet/profession health + downstate health.
HP + downstate HP + healing taken = damage taken
Judging by how much damage the OP took, I deduce that he took a lot of healing and was likely running around in upstate for a prolonged time period.
Generally speaking people who get blapped off the field instantly have really low damage taken numbers.
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They dont know how to fix it
Man, I don’t know why you are crying cause Chrono is by far the best counter to revenant. And just like Revs weakness is chrono, dragonhunter is chronos weakness. We currently have this rock, paper, scissors gameplay and most people don’t enjoy it as most matchups are decided before skill even becomes a factor.
Whenever you see a chrono a single point, run, you can’t kill him. But you can swing that teamfight in your teams favor pretty quickly, which is your job.
Rev is still in a good spot, but your best defense is offense. Just stay away from chronos.
Man, I don’t know why you are crying cause Chrono is by far the best counter to revenant. And just like Revs weakness is chrono, dragonhunter is chronos weakness. We currently have this rock, paper, scissors gameplay and most people don’t enjoy it as most matchups are decided before skill even becomes a factor.
Whenever you see a chrono a single point, run, you can’t kill him. But you can swing that teamfight in your teams favor pretty quickly, which is your job.Rev is still in a good spot, but your best defense is offense. Just stay away from chronos.
lol this is just tragic. stay away from chronos? really that is your advice. pvp has been reduced to an elaborate game of rock paper scissors and naa nothing wrong there right?
Someone actually told me this game really was rock paper scissors and i thought it was odd even though i knew it on some level. When i read this that comment makes a lot of sense.
When im on rev and my teammate is getting a beating by a condi chrono ill be sure to stay away.
Actually they are not stacks, but the times that damages the confusion, the problem is not the confusion itself, the bug is when using UA that counts x5 abilities for the confusion, in summary if I have 10 stacks of confusion and use UA only once = 10×5 = 50 damage of confusion.
It does not have to do with cleaning conditions, amulets or build but with a serious error between UA and the conditions. If you use mallyx in pvp with rev you do not have stunbreaks and with hard cc you will get killed, the hammer does not look practical in pvp. I should not change a build for an error I think.
Man, I don’t know why you are crying cause Chrono is by far the best counter to revenant. And just like Revs weakness is chrono, dragonhunter is chronos weakness. We currently have this rock, paper, scissors gameplay and most people don’t enjoy it as most matchups are decided before skill even becomes a factor.
Whenever you see a chrono a single point, run, you can’t kill him. But you can swing that teamfight in your teams favor pretty quickly, which is your job.Rev is still in a good spot, but your best defense is offense. Just stay away from chronos.
lol this is just tragic. stay away from chronos? really that is your advice. pvp has been reduced to an elaborate game of rock paper scissors and naa nothing wrong there right?
Someone actually told me this game really was rock paper scissors and i thought it was odd even though i knew it on some level. When i read this that comment makes a lot of sense.
When im on rev and my teammate is getting a beating by a condi chrono ill be sure to stay away.
I mean, teamfight wise you can still do great it’s just that 1v1 rev vs chrono is really hard to win as rev. Rev still has the best physical damage in the game, great burst and sustained. Yea, sad that we got to this rock, paper, scissors gameplay but I can’t do much unfortunately.
As to why it’s hard to beat chrono 1v1? Simple: he can apply not only damaging conditions, but also conditions like weakness, which destroy revenant. Chronos also have permanent clones which means you Precision strike never does full damage. On top of that they have decent CC, lots of invulerabilites, blocks, evades, etc.
Sure you could fight them, but why barely survive for 30s when you could win a teamfight?
Man, I don’t know why you are crying cause Chrono is by far the best counter to revenant. And just like Revs weakness is chrono, dragonhunter is chronos weakness. We currently have this rock, paper, scissors gameplay and most people don’t enjoy it as most matchups are decided before skill even becomes a factor.
Whenever you see a chrono a single point, run, you can’t kill him. But you can swing that teamfight in your teams favor pretty quickly, which is your job.Rev is still in a good spot, but your best defense is offense. Just stay away from chronos.
I am not crying, I am asking to repair a mistake that I have been suffering in pvp since forever, if you can not understand what I am talking about.
You take a rev and tell a friend to confuse you and then use the 3 rev sword. And then come here and your opinion please
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No tomi, rev does not have the best physical damage in the game, mesmer for one has better, warrior, thief as well. When rev’s physical damage is spilt across multiple targets, precision strike is prioritizing inanimate objects, unrelenting assault often sticks you to the map without hitting the target and CoR cant detect uneven ground i dunno how rev has the best physicals in the game.
Rev is only seen as one of the better power users because of its blocks, evade and glint heal assuming the attack skills work
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Chungo raises a serious issue that might need to be adressed. Yh it is a bit stupid that 1 skill causes that to happen. probably should only count as 1 attack (ofc that would mean it also counts as 1 attack when it would benefit the revenant).
To the people here complaining that Rev is weak. It is an amazingly strong class. Great at teamfights, blocks, evade, high dps. It’s mobile and is great at finishing off weak targets. It’s ok in duels. Can sustain for a while at least and win versus certain classes. I agree condimesmer is a bit over the top and superb 1v1. But every class has it’s counter. As a rev, dont engage a condimesmer 1v1. Make an impact somewhere else, or jump him together with a teammate and kill him 2v1. That’s how pvp is supposed to work. I play necro and when i see a dragonhunter, i’m not going anywhere near him alone. I choose a diff target or wait for a teammate to back me up.
No tomi, rev does not have the best physical damage in the game, mesmer for one has better, warrior, thief as well. When rev’s physical damage is spilt across multiple targets, precision strike is prioritizing inanimate objects, unrelenting assault often sticks you to the map without hitting the target and CoR cant detect uneven ground i dunno how rev has the best physicals in the game.
Rev is only seen as one of the better power users because of its blocks, evade and glint heal assuming the attack skills work
Yea, but that’s just the point, isn’kitten It has the best damage for its survivability and the boons it provides.
This is probably a bug. Some old ele abilities (like evasive arcana dodges) used to triple proc confusion (making confusion super-deadly to eles until it was fixed). However, at least this was balanced by the fact that those same abilities would also proc that many times for signet of restoration.
This should be fixed.
No tomi, rev does not have the best physical damage in the game, mesmer for one has better, warrior, thief as well. When rev’s physical damage is spilt across multiple targets, precision strike is prioritizing inanimate objects, unrelenting assault often sticks you to the map without hitting the target and CoR cant detect uneven ground i dunno how rev has the best physicals in the game.
Rev is only seen as one of the better power users because of its blocks, evade and glint heal assuming the attack skills work
Yea, but that’s just the point, isn’kitten It has the best damage for its survivability and the boons it provides.
I feel and I must say that this thread was not created to compare classes or talk about how bad or good they are. Tomiyou if any rev is your nightmare we are not to blame XD . I already saw that you have war against rev, maybe it is your counter? Luck on you vs rev forum XD It was created with the idea of being able to repair it, since it starts another season pvp and I do not see it logical that they make patches of balance without repairing this type of errors.
Although I think they did not will repair it, I still hope that at least one admin will be present and give us some explanation.
I will continue to make screenshots and even some video to contrast more info and if possible make the error more clear.
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Yea we are off topic. Confusion bug, yea they probably can’t fix it or its so complicated they aren’t bothering with it.
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Yea we are off topic. Confusion bug, yea they probably can’t fix it or its so complicated they aren’t bothering with it.
UA removes/uses 1 Enchanted dagger (on evade or hit)
So why cant it be possible for confusion? makes no sense to me.
+1 to this threat
oh my, sounds like you occasionally have to think before using sword 3 instead of spamming it whenever its off cd
nono we cant have that!
oh my, sounds like you occasionally have to think before using sword 3 instead of spamming it whenever its off cd
nono we cant have that!
It’s a bug, how would you feel if Unload or any other multi hit attack proc’D confusion every hit instead of only on the activation of the skill like everyother skill in game.
oh my, sounds like you occasionally have to think before using sword 3 instead of spamming it whenever its off cd
nono we cant have that!
It’s a bug, how would you feel if Unload or any other multi hit attack proc’D confusion every hit instead of only on the activation of the skill like everyother skill in game.
wouldnt feel anything since unload is a joke skill in pvp
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
“I’ve never once fought a Mesmer or played a Rev” -t. Azukas
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
so you just recommend he afk’s in spawn then right? mesmers never stop applying confusion. if you cant clear it (rev cant) your dead.
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
“I know not to hit UA and spam my attacks when I got multiple stacks of confusion” -t. Azukas
Fixed that for you.
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
so you just recommend he afk’s in spawn then right? mesmers never stop applying confusion. if you cant clear it (rev cant) your dead.
If you have a large amount of stacks you can kite away and leave the point. On a Rev you have lots of blocks, evades, and other ways to avoid the confusion all together. I personally don’t try to 1v1 a condi mesmer on point though when playing my rev…..that’s just me tho.
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
so you just recommend he afk’s in spawn then right? mesmers never stop applying confusion. if you cant clear it (rev cant) your dead.
If you have a large amount of stacks you can kite away and leave the point. On a Rev you have lots of blocks, evades, and other ways to avoid the confusion all together. I personally don’t try to 1v1 a condi mesmer on point though when playing my rev…..that’s just me tho.
Or you know Anet could actually try some QA and fix this bug since it’s right now the only multi hit skill that has this bug…..
OR! Hear me out…you could just NOT use UA with confusion on you. It’s not a bug. Each strike is intended to trigger confusion. UA is extremely powerful and confusion makes you think about when to use it. If by some wild chance this isn’t a bug, then ok. Yeah, it should be fixed. But for now, here’s some info about Mesmers and confusion.
When confusion is applied, it’s generally short lived, so you can easily wait it out and use different skills instead or just play defensively. Mesmers can only apply confusion through Scepter and shatters. Most Mesmers run sword because of the short CD evade and the immobilize. And most Mesmers also don’t run max confusion on shatter because they’re forced to take the Inspiration line, mainly because of insanely high damaging attacks, such as UA. So the most confusion a Mesmer can apply with a single shatter, using the meta spec, is 8 stacks from Cry of Frustration (F2). Mind Wrack applies only 4 stacks. If they’re using Carrion Amulet, the confusion only lasts a few seconds. Wanderer’s Amulet will make it last about 33% longer, but still not very long.
My point is that confusion is counterplay for UA, and changing that would actually be a massive buff against confusion based specs. And you’re a Rev, so if you learn when a Mesmer will lock you down to shatter, you can avoid most of their shatters anyway and only have a couple stacks of confusion up at most. If they spam their shatters, well, then they wasted them and they’re a free kill.
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Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
so you just recommend he afk’s in spawn then right? mesmers never stop applying confusion. if you cant clear it (rev cant) your dead.
If you have a large amount of stacks you can kite away and leave the point. On a Rev you have lots of blocks, evades, and other ways to avoid the confusion all together. I personally don’t try to 1v1 a condi mesmer on point though when playing my rev…..that’s just me tho.
Or you know Anet could actually try some QA and fix this bug since it’s right now the only multi hit skill that has this bug…..
lots of people defending a bug because it gives mesmer a advantage here. kinda sad.
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
so you just recommend he afk’s in spawn then right? mesmers never stop applying confusion. if you cant clear it (rev cant) your dead.
If you have a large amount of stacks you can kite away and leave the point. On a Rev you have lots of blocks, evades, and other ways to avoid the confusion all together. I personally don’t try to 1v1 a condi mesmer on point though when playing my rev…..that’s just me tho.
Or you know Anet could actually try some QA and fix this bug since it’s right now the only multi hit skill that has this bug…..
lots of people defending a bug because it gives mesmer a advantage here. kinda sad.
Is confusion proc more than once per UA attack? Is that the problem?
Don’t tell me you guys are complaining because confusion procs one time per each attack of UA…..if it’s this you are complaining about that’s pretty embarrassing
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
so you just recommend he afk’s in spawn then right? mesmers never stop applying confusion. if you cant clear it (rev cant) your dead.
If you have a large amount of stacks you can kite away and leave the point. On a Rev you have lots of blocks, evades, and other ways to avoid the confusion all together. I personally don’t try to 1v1 a condi mesmer on point though when playing my rev…..that’s just me tho.
Or you know Anet could actually try some QA and fix this bug since it’s right now the only multi hit skill that has this bug…..
lots of people defending a bug because it gives mesmer a advantage here. kinda sad.
Is confusion proc more than once per UA attack? Is that the problem?
Don’t tell me you guys are complaining because confusion procs one time per each attack of UA…..if it’s this you are complaining about that’s pretty embarrassing
the op has claimed several times. it provides 5+ times per UA attack. which is a bug. to which everyone instantly replied “LEARN2PLAY GIT GUD EXPLOITS R GUD FOR MESMER”
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
so you just recommend he afk’s in spawn then right? mesmers never stop applying confusion. if you cant clear it (rev cant) your dead.
If you have a large amount of stacks you can kite away and leave the point. On a Rev you have lots of blocks, evades, and other ways to avoid the confusion all together. I personally don’t try to 1v1 a condi mesmer on point though when playing my rev…..that’s just me tho.
Or you know Anet could actually try some QA and fix this bug since it’s right now the only multi hit skill that has this bug…..
lots of people defending a bug because it gives mesmer a advantage here. kinda sad.
Is confusion proc more than once per UA attack? Is that the problem?
Don’t tell me you guys are complaining because confusion procs one time per each attack of UA…..if it’s this you are complaining about that’s pretty embarrassing
the op has claimed several times. it provides 5+ times per UA attack. which is a bug. to which everyone instantly replied “LEARN2PLAY GIT GUD EXPLOITS R GUD FOR MESMER”
His wording is that1 UA attack procs 1 confusion damage. He goes to say that he’s getting hit for 5 confusion procs per UA use. That means he is being penalized for each of the 5 attacks of UA.
WORKING AS INTENDED PEOPLE.
Now if he was getting 10 procs of confusion per 1 UA use THAT would be a bug. This is simple a user error problem not an actual bug
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
so you just recommend he afk’s in spawn then right? mesmers never stop applying confusion. if you cant clear it (rev cant) your dead.
If you have a large amount of stacks you can kite away and leave the point. On a Rev you have lots of blocks, evades, and other ways to avoid the confusion all together. I personally don’t try to 1v1 a condi mesmer on point though when playing my rev…..that’s just me tho.
Or you know Anet could actually try some QA and fix this bug since it’s right now the only multi hit skill that has this bug…..
lots of people defending a bug because it gives mesmer a advantage here. kinda sad.
Is confusion proc more than once per UA attack? Is that the problem?
Don’t tell me you guys are complaining because confusion procs one time per each attack of UA…..if it’s this you are complaining about that’s pretty embarrassing
the op has claimed several times. it provides 5+ times per UA attack. which is a bug. to which everyone instantly replied “LEARN2PLAY GIT GUD EXPLOITS R GUD FOR MESMER”
His wording is that1 UA attack procs 1 confusion damage. He goes to say that he’s getting hit for 5 confusion procs per UA use. That means he is being penalized for each of the 5 attacks of UA.
WORKING AS INTENDED PEOPLE.
Now if he was getting 10 procs of confusion per 1 UA use THAT would be a bug. This is simple a user error problem not an actual bug
Sorry but no since confusion is 1proc per skill activation not one proc per hit, otherwise Rapid fire, Unload, Hundred blades, Blurred Frenzy, Pistol Whip and so on would proc multiple Confusion procs which they don’t it only procs once. It is a known bug of UA.
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
so you just recommend he afk’s in spawn then right? mesmers never stop applying confusion. if you cant clear it (rev cant) your dead.
If you have a large amount of stacks you can kite away and leave the point. On a Rev you have lots of blocks, evades, and other ways to avoid the confusion all together. I personally don’t try to 1v1 a condi mesmer on point though when playing my rev…..that’s just me tho.
Or you know Anet could actually try some QA and fix this bug since it’s right now the only multi hit skill that has this bug…..
lots of people defending a bug because it gives mesmer a advantage here. kinda sad.
Is confusion proc more than once per UA attack? Is that the problem?
Don’t tell me you guys are complaining because confusion procs one time per each attack of UA…..if it’s this you are complaining about that’s pretty embarrassing
the op has claimed several times. it provides 5+ times per UA attack. which is a bug. to which everyone instantly replied “LEARN2PLAY GIT GUD EXPLOITS R GUD FOR MESMER”
His wording is that1 UA attack procs 1 confusion damage. He goes to say that he’s getting hit for 5 confusion procs per UA use. That means he is being penalized for each of the 5 attacks of UA.
WORKING AS INTENDED PEOPLE.
Now if he was getting 10 procs of confusion per 1 UA use THAT would be a bug. This is simple a user error problem not an actual bug
“Confusion is a condition that deals damage each second and additional damage each time the affected target begins to activate a skill. Confusion stacks intensity. Like all damaging conditions, it will stack up to a maximum of 1500 times.” Quoted from gw2 wiki. Unrelenting Assault is one skill with multiple damage instances, just like Hundred Blades, Unload etc. It is a bug, even on UA’s wikipage ( https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unrelenting_Assault ) it states that it’s a bug and devs have said it themselves it’s a bug but they have not found a way to fix it yet.
Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
so you just recommend he afk’s in spawn then right? mesmers never stop applying confusion. if you cant clear it (rev cant) your dead.
If you have a large amount of stacks you can kite away and leave the point. On a Rev you have lots of blocks, evades, and other ways to avoid the confusion all together. I personally don’t try to 1v1 a condi mesmer on point though when playing my rev…..that’s just me tho.
Or you know Anet could actually try some QA and fix this bug since it’s right now the only multi hit skill that has this bug…..
lots of people defending a bug because it gives mesmer a advantage here. kinda sad.
Is confusion proc more than once per UA attack? Is that the problem?
Don’t tell me you guys are complaining because confusion procs one time per each attack of UA…..if it’s this you are complaining about that’s pretty embarrassing
the op has claimed several times. it provides 5+ times per UA attack. which is a bug. to which everyone instantly replied “LEARN2PLAY GIT GUD EXPLOITS R GUD FOR MESMER”
His wording is that1 UA attack procs 1 confusion damage. He goes to say that he’s getting hit for 5 confusion procs per UA use. That means he is being penalized for each of the 5 attacks of UA.
WORKING AS INTENDED PEOPLE.
Now if he was getting 10 procs of confusion per 1 UA use THAT would be a bug. This is simple a user error problem not an actual bug
as someone else said. its a bug. and proved it quite well. but please keep defending it. shows what kind of player you are.
Seems there is no bug (active part of confusion damage triggers only 1 time on UA). I did comment on my tests here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Condi-Mesmer-needs-to-be-toned-down/6414088
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Why are attacking so much with confusion on you? Literally not the,smartest thing to do
“I know not to hit UA and spam my attacks when I got multiple stacks of confusion” -t. Azukas
Fixed that for you.
You guys are missing the point, I think UA procs X times more confusion damage like old ele evade abilities. It’s not about when or when not to attack. I refuse to believe that a single attack could kill you due to Confusion procs at full health unless you have 25 or more stacks of confusion and vuln (how often does this happen in pvp again?)
Seems there is no bug (active part of confusion damage triggers only 1 time on UA). I did comment on my tests here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Condi-Mesmer-needs-to-be-toned-down/6414088
It can still be a different case, sometimes it bugs out and sometimes it doesn’t maybe?
EDIT: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unrelenting_Assault
The wiki even states its a bug so…..
Seems there is no bug (active part of confusion damage triggers only 1 time on UA). I did comment on my tests here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Condi-Mesmer-needs-to-be-toned-down/6414088It can still be a different case, sometimes it bugs out and sometimes it doesn’t maybe?
EDIT: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unrelenting_Assault
The wiki even states its a bug so…..
Yea I tested today and only the one Confusion proc for UA tested this multiple times.(had a Thief guilty apply Confusion with Steal so no other damage sources would interfere).
The odd thing was Confusion procs weren’t showing in damage log at all.
Edited for clarity.
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Yea I tested today and only the one proc multiple times.
The odd thing was Confusion procs weren’t showing in damage log at all.
Idk… I didn’t get even single multyproc, though I tried >10 times in different ways.
Wiki is written by ppl. At least it should include word “sometimes”. Mb there are certain circumstances when it multy procs but I din’t find any.
I checked combat log. But to be sure I did check left health points too. With “Show target health percent” option on. My friend rev got same hp left on single use of any skill including UA. The only times when he got less HP % was the times when he acciddently made additional autoattcks in close range after UA or other skill.
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Yea I tested today and only the one proc multiple times.
The odd thing was Confusion procs weren’t showing in damage log at all.
Idk… I didn’t get even single multyproc, though I tried >10 times in different ways.
Wiki writes ppl. At least it should include word “sometimes”. Mb there are certain circumstances when it multy procs but I din’t find any.
I checked combat log. But to be sure I did check left health points too. With “Show target health percent” option on. My friend rev got same hp left on single use of any skill including UA. The only times when he got less HP % was the times when he acciddently made additional autoattcks in close range after UA or other skill.
I meant that it only proc’ed Confusion once tested it multiple times. But none of the procs showed in the combat log.
Then it is probably very seldom appearing bug. But I don’t think that dat bug has a decent impact on game play anyway (because of it’s rarity). I met this bug (multiproc) like 2-3 times in last half a year and not vs rev. If it still exists then it should be fixed to be in row with other multyhit skills imo.
OP is right. Regardless of his gameplay (whether he took the 1v1 or not), using UA should only trigger confusion for 5 attacks. Perhaps the lifesteal proc is triggering confusion as well?
The UA only activates Confusion once, which is on the initial Skill activation, which I tested last night, this is working as it is supposed to, it shouldn’t proc 5 times since you only activate the skill once…
Aw alright thanks for clarifying!