Guild Wars 2

I have no problem with incremental balance. But in the case of a game like this will 8 classes, if your main class is underpowered as we see with the many threads atm about Necro and Wars, are we just not supposed to play the game?

Am I supposed to just reroll to a commonly used class just to be able to play the game?

Tell me again how necros are UP in pvp? Also warriors just got buffed with the boon hate mechanism. You don’t need to reroll. Just master your own class.

K pop is probably one of the top warrior players in the game (at least top 5) ^^
And I think people should always be branching out and trying to get comfortable on multiple classes, it’s funner and makes you more valuable on a team!

I wouldn’t give up on warrior, but maybe try and pick up Mesmer -to me the playstyle is somewhat similar (inb4 kids argue), you have some dmg mitigation with f4 and sword 1 (which substitutes for shield block on warrior), you burst is built up and displayed in a very visual way (adrenaline – clones). What mesmer lacks is swiftness (maybe 9-13s more downtime), but it is made up for with clever portal plays + imba elites.

PS: I think necros are fine, they have less raw dps, but can be just as useful to an organized team as trap ranger (aoe cleanse + wells/plague form aoe blind spam on point).

I can’t say what higher level people do, since you guys have high MMR and so actually need to play the meta more. With the people I get matched up against (even when in a higher level group), I don’t have any issue running Necro, even with a power/minion hybrid. Even when I do occasionally pick up Warrior, I can have some fun, but I am far from good enough to know if Warrior has the build diversity and viability that Necros have in low to upper middle level of play.

Frankly, I’d just say do whatever is fun for you. This game is about having fun, and if the Warrior as a class isn’t in a place where you can enjoy it right now, then it might be time to mess around on another class (or in hotjoins, where everything is viable), and wait till Warrior becomes viable.

Bhawb.7408:

I can’t say what higher level people do, since you guys have high MMR and so actually need to play the meta more. With the people I get matched up against (even when in a higher level group), I don’t have any issue running Necro, even with a power/minion hybrid. Even when I do occasionally pick up Warrior, I can have some fun, but I am far from good enough to know if Warrior has the build diversity and viability that Necros have in low to upper middle level of play.

Frankly, I’d just say do whatever is fun for you. This game is about having fun, and if the Warrior as a class isn’t in a place where you can enjoy it right now, then it might be time to mess around on another class (or in hotjoins, where everything is viable), and wait till Warrior becomes viable.

Well said, frankly I very much enjoy going ham in hotjoins from time to time on my mega troll double axe +axe shield evis warrior build. And I do quiet well for myself in tourney games from time to time solo queuing d/d power necro (old khalifa build) even post quickness nerf.

Damage was never an issue per say for warrior. If anything Destruction of the empowered serves to pigeon hole you most so then benefit, but i need more testing. I just curious what to do. I have tested other classes and there are some face roll ones out there. As in it is easy to become competitive with it in like a day.
Almost switched to guardian. It made me lol at how much simpler it was to play for maximum team benefit

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Damage was never an issue per say for warrior. If anything Destruction of the empowered serves to pigeon hole you most so then benefit, but i need more testing. I just curious what to do. I have tested other classes and there are some face roll ones out there. As in it is easy to become competitive with it in like a day.
Almost switched to guardian. It made me lol at how much simpler it was to play for maximum team benefit

Keep testing for new warrior builds man, hopefully you’ll find something that works for you. I remember a few months back when I was reading these forums and people were ranking engineer as even less viable than warrior. Little did they know that Five Gauge was silently testing his new engi build that would later come to be known as the 100 nades build -a build that required a nerf so hard the devs had to redesign Kit Refinement.

Bhawb.7408:

I can’t say what higher level people do, since you guys have high MMR and so actually need to play the meta more. With the people I get matched up against (even when in a higher level group), I don’t have any issue running Necro, even with a power/minion hybrid. Even when I do occasionally pick up Warrior, I can have some fun, but I am far from good enough to know if Warrior has the build diversity and viability that Necros have in low to upper middle level of play.

Frankly, I’d just say do whatever is fun for you. This game is about having fun, and if the Warrior as a class isn’t in a place where you can enjoy it right now, then it might be time to mess around on another class (or in hotjoins, where everything is viable), and wait till Warrior becomes viable.

Dude, no offense, but you are telling everyone that Necro is in good shape and only ‘cuz you can play it good in NA doesnt mean it is so. Necro have a ton of issues as well as Warrior (easy to avoid and have issues with condition cleaning). Ofcource if you playng just to kill some time it doesnt matter, but if you want to go bit higher then that you deffenetly are wrong. So plz stop telling everyone this @#%^ about that every class is balanced ,’cuz dev will note it and never change the broken classes.

emon.1863:

Dude, no offense, but you are telling everyone that Necro is in good shape and only ‘cuz you can play it good in NA doesnt mean it is so. Necro have a ton of issues as well as Warrior (easy to avoid and have issues with condition cleaning). Ofcource if you playng just to kill some time it doesnt matter, but if you want to go bit higher then that you deffenetly are wrong. So plz stop telling everyone this @#%^ about that every class is balanced ,’cuz dev will note it and never change the broken classes.

Wasn’t EU just laughing at NA for playing trap ranger last month?

Zodian plz…BM ranger is much more effective:D

emon.1863:

Dude, no offense, but you are telling everyone that Necro is in good shape and only ‘cuz you can play it good in NA doesnt mean it is so. Necro have a ton of issues as well as Warrior (easy to avoid and have issues with condition cleaning). Ofcource if you playng just to kill some time it doesnt matter, but if you want to go bit higher then that you deffenetly are wrong. So plz stop telling everyone this @#%^ about that every class is balanced ,’cuz dev will note it and never change the broken classes.

I literally started my post saying that I was talking merely about my experiences, which are not high on the ladder, and have no bearing on the higher levels of play. Every single class right now needs work, Necros are not excluded. However, that means diddly squat at low levels, where you can run teams of all 1 profession and have good win rates.

My post was more about: kitten the meta, kitten what people think about your class, play for fun. At the end of the day, no matter what, this is a game, and it is about having fun. Run what you enjoy to run, play around with your class, and in the end you will turn out a much better player than if you rerolled simply to play a faceroll easy OP build that will be nerfed later. Again, fun > anything else.

Just started pvp recently so apologize if this has been asked before but are warriors underpowered compared to mesmer, thiefs, ele’s and other classes? Straight to the point, can a player who masters their warrior beat a player who has mastered their mesmer? Not looking to re-roll but would like to be able to compete and contribute to my team as much as other classes. cheers.

Hanth.2978:

Just started pvp recently so apologize if this has been asked before but are warriors underpowered compared to mesmer, thiefs, ele’s and other classes? Straight to the point, can a player who masters their warrior beat a player who has mastered their mesmer? Not looking to re-roll but would like to be able to compete and contribute to my team as much as other classes. cheers.

Yes they are underpowered. An equally skilled player will beat a warrior every time. Warrior vs Warrior is the most balanced matchup for us.

I usually alt a thief. I ran d/p before the balance patch, tried out some different warrior specs again, it was much better, but still disappointing and now I swapped to the “bruiser” S/D thief. Maximum cheese, but atleast I’m effective and I’m kind of enjoying the non-stealth melee gameplay.

Hicci.8761:

Tell me again how necros are UP in pvp? Also warriors just got buffed with the boon hate mechanism. You don’t need to reroll. Just master your own class.

The buffs Warriors got changed very little, if anything at all, as none of the changes addressed the core problems with the class in sPvp/tPvP.

…This just in: Warrior still sucks! On a noble quest to demand pvp equality i was able to get a dev to comment:

This month will be focused on bug fixes, with balance coming in later patches!

Huge slap in the face…again.

Hicci.8761:

Tell me again how necros are UP in pvp? Also warriors just got buffed with the boon hate mechanism. You don’t need to reroll. Just master your own class.

Consider who you are talking to before posting in the future in order to avoid looking silly like this.

Warrior and Necro are both in need of tweaks and both professions are stuck waiting. In the interim I am picking up guardian, because I have a distaste for the AI cheese of Mesmer and Ranger, Thief is designed in such a way that you either 2,2,2,2 or 3,3,3,3 which doesn’t seem very interesting, Ele is too button mashy for my liking (and has no build diversity to speak of), and Engi seems like it would be kind of a boring play since there is no build diversity there either.

Zodian.6597:

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Damage was never an issue per say for warrior. If anything Destruction of the empowered serves to pigeon hole you most so then benefit, but i need more testing. I just curious what to do. I have tested other classes and there are some face roll ones out there. As in it is easy to become competitive with it in like a day.
Almost switched to guardian. It made me lol at how much simpler it was to play for maximum team benefit

Keep testing for new warrior builds man, hopefully you’ll find something that works for you. I remember a few months back when I was reading these forums and people were ranking engineer as even less viable than warrior. Little did they know that Five Gauge was silently testing his new engi build that would later come to be known as the 100 nades build -a build that required a nerf so hard the devs had to redesign Kit Refinement.

100nades didn’t require a nerf, and was mitigated very effectively by solid play; if you weren’t sitting underneath the barrage or knew when to break and evade, you’d essentially get a free kill. The devs have been removing builds that are frustrating to play against, not builds that are necessarily too strong from a team-meta point of view.

Warriors have a number of interesting options, but their lack of condi-cleanse prevents them from running CC-bunker type builds effectively, and they suffer from not having access to a number of critical conditions. Warriors have been experimenting with mace/shield, longbow, rifle and sword for various team roles for nearly a month and a half, but all of them suffer from passive condi cleave and positional issues.

If anything is going to revive the warrior, its not going to be the creation of a new sick warrior build. Its going to be the resumption of teams exploring comp setups that enable warriors, or warriors built to setup certain comps. After that, a bunch of me-toos will pop up, and people will happily believe that the class is perfectly fine. Half of the current wave of HGH engies play horrendously poorly and lose matches, but their teams consider them an asset because of what Ostrich can do. Same thing happened earlier when Khalifa and Powerr were the only people leveraging necro properly.

Probably the only reason I was able to last this long.

What?

PVP is a joke, just role thief, you’ll enjoy the game more.

Not that you auto win, but you only lose by being stupid, and you cn always pick off someone on the enemy tteam. Not just tpvp, wvwvw too.PvE is so easy who cares? ve

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

Hicci.8761:

Tell me again how necros are UP in pvp? Also warriors just got buffed with the boon hate mechanism. You don’t need to reroll. Just master your own class.

Consider who you are talking to before posting in the future in order to avoid looking silly like this.

Warrior and Necro are both in need of tweaks and both professions are stuck waiting. In the interim I am picking up guardian, because I have a distaste for the AI cheese of Mesmer and Ranger, Thief is designed in such a way that you either 2,2,2,2 or 3,3,3,3 which doesn’t seem very interesting, Ele is too button mashy for my liking (and has no build diversity to speak of), and Engi seems like it would be kind of a boring play since there is no build diversity there either.

So you neglect my argument by branding it “silly”? How mature.

If it comes to what class needs tweaking, all of them do. Your post shows that you have no knowledge of how to play those classes.

Thief only spams two skills? Maybe in hotjoin that is full of immature thieves.
Ele button smashing and no build diversity? Please go back to school or play one more than 1 hour.
I don’t know about engies but they are VERY strong and can be traited to be effective offensively or defensively. Just like any other class (even thief).
Necromancers need some serious bug fixes (which we are getting next patch btw) but in tpvp, well played necro is insanely annyoing to fight against and no1 without cond removals can say otherwise. Warriors on the other hand are still weak yes, but they are going to the right direction. There are good warriors out there and that means the class is viable. It just needs more attention than others.

It is viable, only the other 7 professions are more viable.

9 months later on incremental balance changes and there is only 1 viable spec per class, 25% of the classes are rarely if ever seen in tpvp, and every nerf to a build is replaced with something stupid in the next months buffs. But would i want them to do big changes, i dont know, guess it would be like letting a monkey do eye surgery with a cleaver.