Guild Wars 2

Hello! I just came back to GW2 after originally playing it back in 2012. I used to WvW back then, and I wasn’t the best, but I felt like the large maps and large range of players made it so you were less pressured to be great. I feel like if I PVP and have four other people in a team depending on me to be somewhat-decent (which is obv understandable) then I would feel worse for, well, basically sucking. Which I probably would, considering I have never really PVP-ed – mostly for that reason, haha. So how friendly is the GW2 community towards newbie PvPers? Does anyone know of any NA guilds that are friendly towards newbie PvPers and willing to help work with them, or anything like that? I have currently been PVEing for the past few days just to get my feet wet again (it has been a good few years, lol) but I find that lacks the excitement of PVP.

It would also be nice to find a guild/a friendly person who is more in sync with this game, because there is a lot that has changed since 2012, and I am definitely feeling out of the loop. Especially when I try to look up profession information for PVP – all I really find on profession forums now is people complaining about how bad their prof is.

So yeah, long and short of it, tl;dr is pretty much summed up by the title of this thread.

Thanks in advance!

Stick to unranked and you will be fine. Most good players have high unranked mmr now so you should only get new players in Unranked. Have fun learning so you can then get dumpster league teammates in ranked

Nope. Since pvper in higher tier can be able to match against you, and probably you don’t have good team to play with since no decent team want beginners, thus hell no. Don’t ever try pvp before you get mad. or play only custom arena.

It isn’t as clearly indicated now, but you can always learn through hotjoin. In the PvP window, there will be an option to join a game, which will bring up a list of open arenas. These games will feature mismatched teams, people switching sides and disappearing, and a wide range of abilities, but it doesn’t count for anything and by and large people do not take it very seriously. It will affect your personal “record” with a given class, but no one other than you can see it, and we all have to start somewhere.

Once you’ve got a handle on what you’re doing, you can enter Unranked play. The competition will be a lot sharper (you will eventually settle with a matchmaking rating that attempts to pit you with and against similar players — attempts being the key word), and some people will get angry about stuff, but that’s how it is.

I have found that, generally speaking, the most abusive teammates and worst trashtalkers tend to be lousy players, stuck in the perdition of low tiers. If you can get into the middle ranks with the masses, things will even out.

the initial learning curve is really steep, but it gets a lot better when you’re over the first hump.

qqmore.net has excellent resources for improving your play.

The PvP community is more hostile to experienced players than new players. If I am ever in a killed-streak, no one really makes mean comments to me. If I am in a killing-streak, I am bound to have very hostile players raging at me.

The biggest problem is that the bad players think they are decent and blame their teammates for losing instead of accepting the fact that they’re just not good themselves.

So unfortunately, you may get a lot of trash talk until you reach the PvP bracket to were people are actually decent.

Chase.8415:

The biggest problem is that the bad players think they are decent and blame their teammates for losing instead of accepting the fact that they’re just not good themselves.

So unfortunately, you may get a lot of trash talk until you reach the PvP bracket to were people are actually decent.

But sometimes, you do lose really because of bad players… If you can’t see their errors and think that if someone’s yelling, he must be a noob… that’s some good stubborn attitude!

When you see a Mesmer who’s just doing AA with his GS while there’s 2 enemies I’ve downed… and you see him keep AA-ing while I get downed by them and slowly stomped… and he’s still behind you or next to you, still doin AA… I’m sorry but I’m not gonna tell myself that I’m bad and the mesmer was a decent player, and that it was my fault to not be able to 1v3/4…

Asato.5479:

Chase.8415:

The biggest problem is that the bad players think they are decent and blame their teammates for losing instead of accepting the fact that they’re just not good themselves.

So unfortunately, you may get a lot of trash talk until you reach the PvP bracket to were people are actually decent.

But sometimes, you do lose really because of bad players… If you can’t see their errors and think that if someone’s yelling, he must be a noob… that’s some good stubborn attitude!

When you see a Mesmer who’s just doing AA with his GS while there’s 2 enemies I’ve downed… and you see him keep AA-ing while I get downed by them and slowly stomped… and he’s still behind you or next to you, still doin AA… I’m sorry but I’m not gonna tell myself that I’m bad and the mesmer was a decent player, and that it was my fault to not be able to 1v3/4…

Blaming as loss on someone else is not acknowledging you need to improve. I have solo’d my way to the top many times and the truth is if you were decent at PvP you can carry your team, even the bad players until your MMR stabilizes.

I have tested this on a fresh f2p account, started from nothing and within 2 hours I was back at the same MMR my main account was.

Chase.8415:

Asato.5479:

Chase.8415:

The biggest problem is that the bad players think they are decent and blame their teammates for losing instead of accepting the fact that they’re just not good themselves.

So unfortunately, you may get a lot of trash talk until you reach the PvP bracket to were people are actually decent.

But sometimes, you do lose really because of bad players… If you can’t see their errors and think that if someone’s yelling, he must be a noob… that’s some good stubborn attitude!

When you see a Mesmer who’s just doing AA with his GS while there’s 2 enemies I’ve downed… and you see him keep AA-ing while I get downed by them and slowly stomped… and he’s still behind you or next to you, still doin AA… I’m sorry but I’m not gonna tell myself that I’m bad and the mesmer was a decent player, and that it was my fault to not be able to 1v3/4…

Blaming as loss on someone else is not acknowledging you need to improve. I have solo’d my way to the top many times and the truth is if you were decent at PvP you can carry your team, even the bad players until your MMR stabilizes.

I have tested this on a fresh f2p account, started from nothing and within 2 hours I was back at the same MMR my main account was.

Which is?

I do carry and win most of the games when I play with my mate, and if we lose it’s often against full premades. But it does happen that bad players can impact really negatively some games, and sometimes the cause of why you didn’t win.

Your point is totally irrelevant. It’s not a FPS game, you can’t possibly carry a whole team if some of your teammates are really bad. It’s possible though if the enemy team have also really bad players. And when players are likely equally skilled, one player being bad really can hurt.

In 2h, without HoT, you got your pro MMR back? Try not to bs me. In 2h, you did what 8 games? How’s that relevant?

Saying that you can totally carry if you are a good player is really really false. It’s like you still didn’t understand how a 5v5 works.

I’m not saying you have to flame/blame, insult him for being bad. But not to recognize that bad players do have an impact on the outcome of the game… is really idiotic.

Unless you are a god and win the fights at 1v4 or 1v5, then I’ll shut my mouth about you.

It matches you against a team with a similar MMR, meaning if your team is bad there are also bad players on the enemies team. Which you could then easily 2v1 and carry the entire game.

Your goal is to pressure the enemy team, if it takes 2 or 3 people to kill you then that leaves the other “bad” players opportunities to cap far point for you. Such as going after far point, I would never stay there to complete the cap; decap it and move back to mid as that puts pressure on mid and they get 0 points until they send someone back for 20 seconds to recap it.

Chase.8415:

It matches you against a team with a similar MMR, meaning if your team is bad there are also bad players on the enemies team. Which you could then easily 2v1 and carry the entire game.

Your goal is to pressure the enemy team, if it takes 2 or 3 people to kill you then that leaves the other “bad” players opportunities to cap far point for you. Such as going after far point, I would never stay there to complete the cap; decap it and move back to mid as that puts pressure on mid and they get 0 points until they send someone back for 20 seconds to recap it.

You are taking an idealistic situation here to demonstrate your statements are 100% applicable. There’s so many situations that can occur.
And the situation you stated itself is very unlikely : The bad player who goes cap far might be possible if it’s not defended and there’s a chance that he doesn’t even go there but come mid an help the chain suicide from our team? Let’s say, he goes and caps far, what happens next? after I die, let’s say it’s gonna be 4v5 for a moment? You cannot predict the enemy team’s moves. Smart enemies will most likely keep the advantages they already got.
I wouldn’t consider a player bad if he profits from a situation : knowing mid is suicide (it requires communication though, sometimes), he goes decap/cap far while it’s not defended.

But I’ll consider a player bad for a situation like this :
it was a pretty close game (not really in fact, we were always winning the teamfights at mid) but our necro keeps going suicidal at far when it’s defended etc, we lost complete synchronization overtime, it became really hard, we couldn’t hardly take mid back.
So the scores become like 460-410, they didn’t cap mid completely, I go for far knowing it’s our last chance if they keep mid uncapped for a enough time. I cap far and rush at mid as my team’s dead in order to prevent them from capping, and I succeed! I keep the point uncapped for a certain time against 3 guys. When I died, they started to cap and I saw our DH … just standing there afraid to die, watching them cap the point, if he came on the point and prevented them from capping … we’d have won. I expected my teammates to go defend the far point too as they respawn.. but it didn’t happen eventhough they were in total ability to do that.

You gotta admit sometimes you just simply cannot win even if you give the best of you. Sometimes bad players are make you lose by taking wrong decisions, it doesn’t mean it has to be one player’s fault; often most of the team played bad when they lose (as if they’d have cooperated badly with each other).

Anyway, you just cannot simply deny the butterfly effect and say that one’s play doesn’t affect the others, or say that the one’s plays would completely negate the effects that another causes.

YES!

I have a friend who just recently joined as is pretty much only playing spvp and having fun. Start with unranked and once you think you have a good grasp on the game move to ranked

I can’t speak for WvW but for sPvP the answer is yes and no.

There are no gearing requirements for sPvP. Most of the game’s classes utilize a smaller number of skills than games like WoW, Rift, DAoC, etc. Between Metabattle and YouTube, information is easy to locate to learn about what builds you should play, what their combos are, what their role is, etc. These combine to make it relatively easier for a newer player to learn the bare necessities right away if they’re willing to.

However, despite all of GW2’s accessibility and simplicity, it also has a high skill cap for an MMO, requires more teamwork than individual heroics, and also has a small player-base. This may lead to new players continually being matched with experienced players who will be openly frustrated with their naivety. This can potentially make for a very corrosive experience for beginners.

In the end, I think it comes down to how studious you want to be about the game and how well you’re able to ignore the criticism of our most entitled and elitist. If you can laugh off the flak and view the moments where you’re drastically outplayed by much more experienced players as a learning experience, this game will be friendly. If not, it’s going to be very frustrating.

rennlc.7346:

I can’t speak for WvW but for sPvP the answer is yes and no.

There are no gearing requirements for sPvP. Most of the game’s classes utilize a smaller number of skills than games like WoW, Rift, DAoC, etc. Between Metabattle and YouTube, information is easy to locate to learn about what builds you should play, what their combos are, what their role is, etc. These combine to make it relatively easier for a newer player to learn the bare necessities right away if they’re willing to.

However, despite all of GW2’s accessibility and simplicity, it also has a high skill cap for an MMO, requires more teamwork than individual heroics, and also has a small player-base. This may lead to new players continually being matched with experienced players who will be openly frustrated with their naivety. This can potentially make for a very corrosive experience for beginners.

In the end, I think it comes down to how studious you want to be about the game and how well you’re able to ignore the criticism of our most entitled and elitist. If you can laugh off the flak and view the moments where you’re drastically outplayed by much more experienced players as a learning experience, this game will be friendly. If not, it’s going to be very frustrating.

+1 nice sum

It’s going to be tough, you are going to want to try to fight as many different classed enemies as you can to start with, they will almost always use a meta build so after a few battles you will learn how the skills work, playing alone you will be teamed up with people who may be great or terrible.

I would suggest picking someone on your team and staying with them for your first few tries, you will be approached with a bit more caution and have an ally to help you as well.

It can be fun at times but at other times not so much, don’t forget that if you stay til the end you will get rewards so even if you are losing if you have been in the match from the start and done an alright job it adds into your track list exp.

It is best to use a meta build, not sure if you will like it or not but they are really the only ways you can stand a chance in pvp, It is one of the things I don’t enjoy about pvp as in gw 1 there where many Builds that worked in pvp so many different people but on this it just seems that if you want to win you have to use these weapons and these exact skills with 1 or 2 variations but that’s just the way it is.

Once you’ve played for a while you will know what classes you feel capable of facing and what you are not so experiance can only make you better xD

And most importantly try to have fun xD

Oh and be careful of anyone playing one of the advanced specs from HoT, I find they can be quite a challenge sometimes :P

Do you like being cursed at and called bad names? :-)

Yeah, it is pretty friendly to beginners. Queue Unranked and tell your team you are new at start. Go where they tell you to go.

I’m fairly new to PvP myself and I’ve never been insulted/blamed for anything until now (~100 unranked games)

Everlight.2603:

I’m fairly new to PvP myself and I’ve never been insulted/blamed for anything until now (~100 unranked games)

This.

Also, if people complain about you, tell them you’re a noob and blame matchmaking.