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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

I’m curious if anyone who is a better than average player is stuck in emerald, or if it’s a vocal minority of inexperienced players who think they’re better than they are (Dunning Kruger ).

Is there anyone who is in that situation that can somehow show the community that they are indeed a good player (perhaps community tournament wins, a 65% win ratio over thousands of games, YT highlights, etc.)?

Let’s ignore ruby because that is where most players are supposed to wind up.

Hopefully this isn’t seen as an attempt to belittle anyone, I honestly wonder if anyone has fallen through the cracks or if people are just upset they can’t climb higher than their skill and experience allows.

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Posted by: Fivedawgs.4267

Fivedawgs.4267

Well, I know they are lots of good players in MMR hell, heck I have been beaten by premade with amber players on it. But at this point, the game is a dice with 3 sides: HIGH MMR vs LOW MMR EQUAL MMR VS EQUAL MMR and LOW MMR vs HIGH MMR. So it depends on which side of the dice the good MMR player will pull.

Class imbalance is also the reason why some good players ( rather stubborn, myself included ) are struggling on their way up.

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Posted by: Raek.8504

Raek.8504

I’m curious if anyone who is a better than average player is stuck in emerald, or if it’s a vocal minority of inexperienced players who think they’re better than they are (Dunning Kruger ).

Is there anyone who is in that situation that can somehow show the community that they are indeed a good player (perhaps community tournament wins, a 65% win ratio over thousands of games, YT highlights, etc.)?

Let’s ignore ruby because that is where most players are supposed to wind up.

Hopefully this isn’t seen as an attempt to belittle anyone, I honestly wonder if anyone has fallen through the cracks or if people are just upset they can’t climb higher than their skill and experience allows.

What does it mean ? What is the measure of Above average in current term ? Being in certain division in this season ? Or subjectional judgment from experts on this forum ?

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Posted by: Lucius.2140

Lucius.2140

Class imbalance is also the reason why some good players ( rather stubborn, myself included ) are struggling on their way up.

Mandatory: Long live none HoT builds!

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Posted by: Lordrosicky.5813

Lordrosicky.5813

Good people can be in MMR hell. However if you are really good you won’t be there. That goes for any game. You can be ranked lower than you should be for sure. But the very best people would break out of bad MMR brackets in a few games.

Also if you want to rank up then really just go to every team fight. Thats how you win solo queue. Dont go free-capping far when they 3v3 mid. You go mid. Kill everyone by carrying. Then just keep killing people over and over. That has been how to carry solo queue since the game came out and I doubt it has changed now.

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

What does it mean ? What is the measure of Above average in current term ? Being in certain division in this season ? Or subjectional judgment from experts on this forum ?

No, the objective definition of ‘above average’. If you’re placed on any random team against any other random team with MMR totally ignored, you’re going to win more than 50% of the time.

It’s pretty easy for experienced players to quickly see if someone is at this level or if they’re significantly below grade (i.e. missing game-changing dodges, going for beast at the wrong time, not taking critical things like stun breakers and using them at the wrong time, and so on), which is why I suggested YT highlights or etc.

When in doubt, go with the obvious definition rather than inventing new ways to judge people.

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Posted by: Permafrost.2695

Permafrost.2695

I was in MMRhell last weekend, started a big thread about it. I actually logged off for 48 hours then went on a tear. I guess the best I can say is MMRhell legit exists and when you see the same awful people, block them so you can track them and if they stay on then log off yourself. Check in later and catch a new batch of people in your MMR range. It’ll go MUCH, MUCH better for you.

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Posted by: Mogar.9216

Mogar.9216

I was in MMRhell last weekend, started a big thread about it. I actually logged off for 48 hours then went on a tear. I guess the best I can say is MMRhell legit exists and when you see the same awful people, block them so you can track them and if they stay on then log off yourself. Check in later and catch a new batch of people in your MMR range. It’ll go MUCH, MUCH better for you.

yep, 48 hrs does wonders same happened to me.

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

I’m curious if anyone who is a better than average player is stuck in emerald, or if it’s a vocal minority of inexperienced players who think they’re better than they are (Dunning Kruger ).

Is there anyone who is in that situation that can somehow show the community that they are indeed a good player (perhaps community tournament wins, a 65% win ratio over thousands of games, YT highlights, etc.)?

Let’s ignore ruby because that is where most players are supposed to wind up.

Hopefully this isn’t seen as an attempt to belittle anyone, I honestly wonder if anyone has fallen through the cracks or if people are just upset they can’t climb higher than their skill and experience allows.

Let’s ignore ruby? This is where MMR hell IS because you can grind it before that and will be the nexus of new players pairing with low/average experienced players.

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

Let’s ignore ruby? This is where MMR hell IS because you can grind it before that and will be the nexus of new players pairing with low/average experienced players.

Ok fair enough. Is anyone reading this at above a 50% win rate over the course of a few thousand games stuck on a massive losing streak in Ruby, and do you feel you belong in diamond/legendary?

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Let’s ignore ruby? This is where MMR hell IS because you can grind it before that and will be the nexus of new players pairing with low/average experienced players.

Ok fair enough. Is anyone reading this at above a 50% win rate over the course of a few thousand games stuck on a massive losing streak in Ruby, and do you feel you belong in diamond/legendary?

I had around 55-60% win rate before season mostly not playing meta. I actually think ruby and diamond is where I belong if we transpose a Gaussian curve over the ladder to position myself as nowhere legendary but definitely above average.

That being said, my problem was never where I was ranked so much as who the system thought was of my level. I don’t mind being a ruby. I mind players having no clue also being ruby IF this is going to be something else than a reward track. Otherwise I don’t care at all but having fun matches, which we really do not have most of the time.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

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Posted by: Raek.8504

Raek.8504

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

it is not about laughs, it is about helping other

there were few ppl here that posted their videos, nobody was really laughing about them and they got good advises… no need to be so salty~

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Posted by: Raek.8504

Raek.8504

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

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Posted by: Raek.8504

Raek.8504

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

None of this is relevant, especially since neither of you are in ruby or below.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

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Posted by: Buffalo Bruiser.3567

Buffalo Bruiser.3567

The people complaining about matchmaking are not claiming to be flawless know it all leet gods. They are simply saying they are being rolled by 5 pro’s while watching people repeatedly rush a point to die, or double/tripple cap, or things like that.

Also that being lower mmr increases their chance of having afk’s, which lowers mmr even more. Higher mmr players are less likely to afk or rage quit.

They are not claiming to be gods, they just want even matches.

In the beginning, it was “wait a few weeks and the blowouts will be over”. But the blowouts will never be over and they are happening at all levels.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes reporting trolls would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns (including being able to make 1 post every 30 min after ban ran out, not being able to start topic etc.)

@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.

@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).

Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.

@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).

Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?

If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions. People in lower divisions don’t focus target, they don’t peel for each other, you can’t rely on team, you can’t rely on teammates to win 2v2 fights, zerging 4v1 is common thing there. On other hand, enemy teams just make as many mistakes so you can abuse it. You can’t rely on enemy stupidity in higher divisions. You may watch higher division games all you want, you will never get the same environment in lower divisions.

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.

@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).

Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?

If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions.

But you are still better than them and it would help seeing you lead by example.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.

@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).

Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?

If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions.

But you are still better than them and it would help seeing you lead by example.

I see what you are trying to do here but really, just stop.

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.

@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).

Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?

If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions.

But you are still better than them and it would help seeing you lead by example.

I see what you are trying to do here but really, just stop.

Then will you stop asking others what you refuse to do yourself?

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Posted by: CntrlAltDefeat.1465

CntrlAltDefeat.1465

I’m curious if anyone who is a better than average player is stuck in emerald, or if it’s a vocal minority of inexperienced players who think they’re better than they are (Dunning Kruger ).

Is there anyone who is in that situation that can somehow show the community that they are indeed a good player (perhaps community tournament wins, a 65% win ratio over thousands of games, YT highlights, etc.)?

Let’s ignore ruby because that is where most players are supposed to wind up.

Hopefully this isn’t seen as an attempt to belittle anyone, I honestly wonder if anyone has fallen through the cracks or if people are just upset they can’t climb higher than their skill and experience allows.

Let’s ignore ruby? This is where MMR hell IS because you can grind it before that and will be the nexus of new players pairing with low/average experienced players.

Not totally.
I have solid players in my guild who have started the season late. They are top tier sapphire and now on 20-25 losing streak. You can’t grind to ruby when you’re losing over and over again. My current win/loss kinda shows what they are experiencing by starting late.

First 80 matches: 74 wins 6 losses
next 40 matches: 8 wins 32 losses 17 consecutive losses.

As stated in another thread, I am above where I was expecting to be as a casual player. I aimed for top emerald to mid sapphire (That being the middle ground) Most of my matches were played at the end of the first week of leagues. I cruised through to top tier sapphire..a couple losses and moved on to higher tier next division. With my current losing streak I have settled down, but I can’t drop out of my division to be where i expected to be as a casual player who doesn’t partner and doesn’t use any VOIP. Because lets face it..if you do alt swap/gear swap/use mini map..but dont partner/VOIP etc..then you should be in sapphire and with no shame..but getting to high tier ruby has a pure soloist shouldn’t be your natural order and I am ok admitting this.

This is what players are complaining about. Most of my first matches were lop sided or white wash.

Most of my later games were losses and have been humiliating white washs (500-37) With my few win wins being lop sided (500-167)

Out of 110 games only 3 were of the games within 20 points of each other.

I am now finding when the match starts no one talks, no one targets, no one quickly alt or gear swaps, no one pings, home defense can’t 1 vs 1, many martyrs throw themselves at mid for 1 vs 3.

The quality of matches has become regrettable. So on that note that I stopped my season. With no 100% MMR reset at end of season, why should I tank myself? when there is no real reward to play and risk ruining my next season.

It is not about getting good..it is entirely that players are getting MMR hell and ppl who started early season and were dedicated with time grinded winning streaks to ruby early and this in the long run has lead to lesser match quality because they can’t loss divisions. Getting good is one thing, the real fix is people can’t loss divisions and each season MMR gets entirely reset for a fresh start.

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

I’m curious if anyone who is a better than average player is stuck in emerald, or if it’s a vocal minority of inexperienced players who think they’re better than they are (Dunning Kruger ).

Is there anyone who is in that situation that can somehow show the community that they are indeed a good player (perhaps community tournament wins, a 65% win ratio over thousands of games, YT highlights, etc.)?

Let’s ignore ruby because that is where most players are supposed to wind up.

Hopefully this isn’t seen as an attempt to belittle anyone, I honestly wonder if anyone has fallen through the cracks or if people are just upset they can’t climb higher than their skill and experience allows.

Let’s ignore ruby? This is where MMR hell IS because you can grind it before that and will be the nexus of new players pairing with low/average experienced players.

Not totally.
I have solid players in my guild who have started the season late. They are top tier sapphire and now on 20-25 losing streak. You can’t grind to ruby when you’re losing over and over again. My current win/loss kinda shows what they are experiencing by starting late.

First 80 matches: 74 wins 6 losses
next 40 matches: 8 wins 32 losses 17 consecutive losses.

As stated in another thread, I am above where I was expecting to be as a casual player. I aimed for top emerald to mid sapphire (That being the middle ground) Most of my matches were played at the end of the first week of leagues. I cruised through to top tier sapphire..a couple losses and moved on to next division.

This is what players are complaining about. Most of my first matches were lop sided or white wash.

Most of my later games were losses and have been humiliating white washs (500-37) With my few win wins being lop sided (500-167)

Out of 110 games only 3 were of the games within 20 points of each other.

I am now finding when the match starts no one talks, no one targets, no one quickly alt or gear swaps, no one pings, home defense can’t 1 vs 1, many martyrs throw themselves at mid for 1 vs 3.

The quality of matches has become regrettable. So on note that I stopped my season. With no 100% MMR reset at end of season, why should I tank myself? when there is no real reward to play and risk ruining my next season.

It is not about getting good..is entirely that players are getting MMR hell and ppl who started early season and were dedicated grinded winning streaks to ruby early and this in the long run has lead to lesser match quality because they can’t loss divisions. Getting good is one thing, the real fix is people can loss divisions and each season MMR gets entirely reset for a fresh start.

I apologize if my comment what not doing justice to your situation. It was not my intent. I merely make a difference between ruby and what exist before because of the safe guards that exist making ruby a bottle neck where you being paired with ppl of your level can be quite a journey considering the vastness of actual skill range that exist as opposed to what the MMR might lead you to believe.

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Posted by: Littlefeather.8623

Littlefeather.8623

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.

@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).

Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?

If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions. People in lower divisions don’t focus target, they don’t peel for each other, you can’t rely on team, you can’t rely on teammates to win 2v2 fights, zerging 4v1 is common thing there. On other hand, enemy teams just make as many mistakes so you can abuse it. You can’t rely on enemy stupidity in higher divisions. You may watch higher division games all you want, you will never get the same environment in lower divisions.

This.

Just a few examples off the top of my head:

They don’t res, if they do, it’s too late.
They don’t burst, bunk, cap/decap.
They like zerging points together as a team of 3-4.
They stomp off point when we don’t have the point, and they have a range weapon.
They like to cap points like home with other players;
– I’m capping home, people still like to cap home with me, I type “WTF GTFO, GO”, but it’s faster just me going somewhere else without typing.
They perform no action when in downstate, like at least auto attack the one that’s down for them, that’s why I targetted that one, but no you want to just sit there when you can potentially rally. However it takes too long to sit there and type out the explanation as to why that player is wrong on every level, all you can do is syh.
They like zerging npc’s together.
They like helping me fight two at far but they just die without trying to escape.

I refuse to do team fights, here’s why.

I do team fights I’m supposed to rely on my team to res, burst, bunk, decap/cap, something…If no one performs any of those tasks there is no use for me to do team fights, I can’t rely on them, so I go far solo, or decap far, or 1v1 mid, 1v2 mid even, just to wait for the rest other four to help but since 4 of them can’t beat 3 I will loose to 2 and have to escape out.

I can go on and on and on, but I think you get my point.

Edit, I never cared about my win rate as that is not a real statistic that can be measured accurately. So many people log before a loss or legitimately DC, etc, I never log before a loss, my win rate is not artificially inflated or manipulated.

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.

@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).

Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?

If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions. People in lower divisions don’t focus target, they don’t peel for each other, you can’t rely on team, you can’t rely on teammates to win 2v2 fights, zerging 4v1 is common thing there. On other hand, enemy teams just make as many mistakes so you can abuse it. You can’t rely on enemy stupidity in higher divisions. You may watch higher division games all you want, you will never get the same environment in lower divisions.

This.

Just a few examples off the top of my head:

They don’t res, if they do, it’s too late.
They don’t burst, bunk, cap/decap.
They like zerging points together as a team of 3-4.
They stomp off point when we don’t have the point, and they have a range weapon.
They like to cap points like home with other players;
– I’m capping home, people still like to cap home with me, I type “WTF GTFO, GO”, but it’s faster just me going somewhere else without typing.
They perform no action when in downstate, like at least auto attack the one that’s down for them, that’s why I targetted that one, but no you want to just sit there when you can potentially rally. However it takes too long to sit there and type out the explanation as to why that player is wrong on every level, all you can do is syh.
They like zerging npc’s together.
They like helping me fight two at far but they just die without trying to escape.

I refuse to do team fights, here’s why.

I do team fights I’m supposed to rely on my team to res, burst, bunk, decap/cap, something…If no one performs any of those tasks there is no use for me to do team fights, I can’t rely on them, so I go far solo, or decap far, or 1v1 mid, 1v2 mid even, just to wait for the rest other four to help but since 4 of them can’t beat 3 I will loose to 2 and have to escape out.

I can go on and on and on, but I think you get my point.

So you are the one who is going to post videos of your playing expertise so we can all learn from you?

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

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I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.

@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).

Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?

If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions.

But you are still better than them and it would help seeing you lead by example.

I see what you are trying to do here but really, just stop.

Then will you stop asking others what you refuse to do yourself?

That is a suggestion not asking. If i can’t beat something i should, i usually ask for help. If i can’t play class well that i want to play – i ask for help. I have done it plenty of times in the past, especially when i was new to pvp (yes, on forums as well).

Also, you won’t see me anywhere on forums crying that matchmaking and bad teams are stopping my progression.

So you are the one who is going to post videos of your playing expertise so we can all learn from you?

If you can provide him account sitting in emerald… then again, it has been done before. Someone on reddit grabbed account from player sitting in lower divisions and got it to higher divisions.

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Posted by: a t s e.9614

a t s e.9614

MMR ’’hell’’ isiint suposed to get you stuck in emerlald or saphire. A good player could possibly have poor MMR due to playing non meta builds or playing off peak hours or other reasons but it would just make their progress slower and not completly shut it down .

So if you have been stuck in the same tier for weeks, MMR is probably not the problem .

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

The mention of videos wasn’t to teach anyone, I wondered if there were legit experienced, good players stuck in low divisions. It would be easy to tell if someone was playing at diamond level from a video, even if they made tons of mistakes. I make mistake all the time but I’m in diamond and roughly belong there, maybe legendary; we’ll see how it goes.

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Posted by: Deniara Devious.3948

Deniara Devious.3948

I do not consider myself a good spvp player. I am just r54 and I know that a vast majority of the good players go their r80 already long time ago. Of course being r80 is not a sign of being good, just more experience than most lower rank players.

But let me share this:
I always solo queue and I play many professions. I am stuck in emerald t5. I have had only 1 win in past 10 ranked games. In Season 1 my win rate in ranked was 56 % and I also had above 50 % win rate in unranked outside the seasons.

My last ranked game was a 96-500 loss. Surely I didn’t play my best, because I died 2 times, still this is far less than my team mates did. I scored 60, which is a low score, but yet the highest personal score of my team. Do you think I am the #1 cause of loss for my team? Most of my losses are complete blow outs, so how can I alone draw my team so low? How do I get the feeling most of my opposing team have players which coordinate much better.

My son has sometimes been sitting next to me and watching me play. He is also surprised to me see me lost most of games, even when I do not die several matches in a row, score a lot of TOP awards, capture and defend points. Yet the final score is a big loss.

I tried unranked for a change (I haven’t played much any unranked during seasons). It was a completely different experience. I played scrapper engi and same build as I use in ranked. Winning in unranked was so easy. Enemy had no focus fire and I could fairly easy stay alive even vs two high DPS opponents like reapers (my engi build has more condi removal than most engi builds).

PS. I am afraid my current computer is not powerful enough to record video + play fluid at same time. If I will get a new computer in summer + a real vacation, I will probably try streaming, so you can see me playing, but I am mostly a WvWvW player.

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

I really wish ppl who complain about being stuck in lower divisions due to “bad teams” would post videos of their games. Something tells me their teams aren’t only reason they are losing.

Are you that guy who has been rushing into mid again, again and again solo vs 3 ? Somewhere mid diamond ? Sfxas or smth like that revenant ?

I wish people who say git gud make those kind of vids to get a good laugh at.

I play thief…….. i never played rev mid diamond

i do think that it would be helpful if people complaining about matchmaking would post videos, i am sure there is plenty of things they could improve

Strange, his id was Cynz xD

I did play rev for achieve but not mid diamond lol

And generally if i do end up in 1v3 situation regardless the class i play it is usually because that point was open, my team wiped and enemy zerged me. But surely continue to spit your salt, i may have vial for it.

Am i ? I was on winning team lol. You was a burden to your team sadly. Few guys from there wasn’t so bad. For “Mid diamond” sorry i was there at the moment i have no idea where you was. And no, you went mid, when your team tried to play side points u rushed into us and died. It was not open.

So advice to you, don’t make those kind of plays.

If you say i rushed into 3 people then i guess this is how it was. /eyesroll

@Fluffball.8307: i spent plenty of time in ruby. It is definitely hell in there but really mainly because you can’t lose tiers in emerald/sapphire so eventually everyone gets there (the good and the bad) and you have very mixed games. Anything below ruby is doable though, you can play around the bad team.

As far as ruby goes, probably best way to get out of it is to play ele and maybe duoq.

My point is i think people should really post videos of their matches. I am sure they could get couple good tips how they could have turned those games (so maybe they can do it next time).

Have you taken a good look at the reply ppl got when they posted a video? I’m the first one to admit it is true that in the videos many players had a good deal they could have done better and many participants did give constructive advises. HOWEVER, at what cost? They also had pretty lame and mean come backs and truly unfair BS coming along.

Even high ranking ppl have been quite shy about exposing themselves to critiques and you expect ppl to feel comfortable exposing themselves to such a clusterkitten and clearly not impartial audience? You know full well that nobody is perfect and that what the comment will all be about are the mistakes big or small that will suddenly take all the place. It’s very likely going to be a joke if this exercise is done on the forum. People inviting others to play with them in the game I believe them but ppl who ask for vid are at best suspicious to me. Specially if they themselves are a bit shy on what they ask of others.

Unlike customer support in game, forums mods are very serious about posters harassing others. You can just report them and i promise you they will see trolls banned really fast.

Does that make you feel better? Does that mean you will show us how you play in a video just to give us the example to follow?

I mean, you still have a dark alley in front of you… does knowing there are police officers somewhere that can apply the law make you go down that alley?

Would showing me playing in diamond really help people playing in emerald? And yes it actually would make me feel better. I know how strict mods are on this forums. I highly doubt majority of posters here are really that eager to sit out 2-4 weeks banns.

@Buffalo Bruiser.3567: most “pros” left lower divisions long time ago (couple smurfs aside).

Well, ppl learn mostly by watching and mimicking so why wouldn’t they get something to learn and understand out of your example?

If they want to mimic they might as well watch pro league players twitch. Thing is, it won’t get them far. As matches in lower divisions are different compared to higher divisions.

But you are still better than them and it would help seeing you lead by example.

I see what you are trying to do here but really, just stop.

Then will you stop asking others what you refuse to do yourself?

That is a suggestion not asking. If i can’t beat something i should, i usually ask for help. If i can’t play class well that i want to play – i ask for help. I have done it plenty of times in the past, especially when i was new to pvp (yes, on forums as well).

Also, you won’t see me anywhere on forums crying that matchmaking and bad teams are stopping my progression.

That is all beside the point. The problem was what ppl thinking like you and asking for vid were slowly trying to do since some times. Namely trying to invalidate all complains on the basis of vid absence.

We were less and less getting logical argumentation so much as this “why can’t we get a vid out of those players” knee-jerk response implying that the only reason someone was not providing the vid was because he was not legitimate in what he was complaining about. Which I’m sure you now realize is not exactly true seeing how shy everyone is even when they make it to diamond. We all know we will be unfairly compared is the problem. We have the same fear you have and in this context it is totally understandable.

Even I would be hard pressed to not exploit any opportunity you would give me to absolutely annihilate you for the tiniest mistakes I would surely find since no one is perfect even if we would be completely out of context and biased anyway. Specially when it would be a vid coming from self promoted “pros” who judged others a lot and that have been doing all they could to avoid acknowledging something I had to deal with a lot.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

@Deniara Devious.3948: first of, rank 54 is nothing really. Not trying to discourage you but it takes a lot of games to master just 1 class and it takes multiple times more to learn rotations.

What you experienced is the biggest flaw generally with leagues atm. They did reset everyone’s divisions, which is ok, but they didn’t add any placement matches or anything that would allow better players to go up divisions right away. So simply put you got farmed by players you shouldn’t be facing anyway.

Unranked matchmaking is different. It is still based on MMR so you will face enemies around your MMR there.

@Sirbeaumerdier.3740: never claimed i play perfectly. If i did i would be sitting x5 legend by now probably. Point is there are a lot of complains about matchmaking and how everyone gets bad teammates and unwinnable matches when a lot of us actually have different experience. The video could a proof that matchmaking is really that bad it also could help players to improve (and i am sure there is always something to improve, even for pro players). If you are THAT hard pressed to annihilate someone for tiniest mistake, then i am sorry to say it is your problem. There are actually quite few nice players out there that are willing to help w/o “annihilating” someone. Do you know what pro teams do during practice? They record their games and analyze them afterwards. Just saying.

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

@Deniara Devious.3948: first of, rank 54 is nothing really. Not trying to discourage you but it takes a lot of games to master just 1 class and it takes multiple times more to learn rotations.

What you experienced is the biggest flaw generally with leagues atm. They did reset everyone’s divisions, which is ok, but they didn’t add any placement matches or anything that would allow better players to go up divisions right away. So simply put you got farmed by players you shouldn’t be facing anyway.

Unranked matchmaking is different. It is still based on MMR so you will face enemies around your MMR there.

@Sirbeaumerdier.3740: never claimed i play perfectly. If i did i would be sitting x5 legend by now probably. Point is there are a lot of complains about matchmaking and how everyone gets bad teammates and unwinnable matches when a lot of us actually have different experience. The video could a proof that matchmaking is really that bad it also could help players to improve (and i am sure there is always something to improve, even for pro players). If you are THAT hard pressed to annihilate someone for tiniest mistake, then i am sorry to say it is your problem. There are actually quite few nice players out there that are willing to help w/o “annihilating” someone. Do you know what pro teams do during practice? They record their games and analyze them afterwards. Just saying.

I never implied you said you were perfect. I simply wanted you, and others, to understand the problem behind asking for others vid and how unfair drawing conclusion about ppl refusing to do it was. That is all.

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Posted by: Deniara Devious.3948

Deniara Devious.3948

So simply put you got farmed by players you shouldn’t be facing anyway.

Unranked matchmaking is different. It is still based on MMR so you will face enemies around your MMR there.

What is the point of putting all the high MMR players in one team and match them with low MMR aka bad players? This would skew the MMR ratings, unfairly inflating the MMR ratings of the winning side and unfairly lowering the MMR rating of the losing side. Meaning that a long loss or win streak at the beginning of season 2 could have a very long lasting effect. In other words some players get carried far with the inflated MMR which gives them better team mates and those who are very unlucky at start, have almost no way to recover, unless they suddenly develop ESL level of skills (not going to happen) or make a full premade.

I really cannot understand why Arenanet lets this blow out super high burst meta and awful match making continue. I like even games, not total blows, even when I am on the winning side. Maybe it is just me but I think there should be challenge, tight games and come backs, but not too many utter blowouts.

Sighs, still waiting Arenanet to fix WvWvW. Remove all that HoT and pve junk (SMC air strike, banners, shrines) and bring back the original maps without any of the new gimmicks. I am really sad the of state of this game. I would actually pay money to get the original pre-June 2015 game back (and be happy without any of the new stuff, even though gliding is cool). I also think spvp was better without all that power creep. Let’s call it GW2 Classic.

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Posted by: CntrlAltDefeat.1465

CntrlAltDefeat.1465

I’m curious if anyone who is a better than average player is stuck in emerald, or if it’s a vocal minority of inexperienced players who think they’re better than they are (Dunning Kruger ).

Is there anyone who is in that situation that can somehow show the community that they are indeed a good player (perhaps community tournament wins, a 65% win ratio over thousands of games, YT highlights, etc.)?

Let’s ignore ruby because that is where most players are supposed to wind up.

Hopefully this isn’t seen as an attempt to belittle anyone, I honestly wonder if anyone has fallen through the cracks or if people are just upset they can’t climb higher than their skill and experience allows.

Let’s ignore ruby? This is where MMR hell IS because you can grind it before that and will be the nexus of new players pairing with low/average experienced players.

Not totally.
I have solid players in my guild who have started the season late. They are top tier sapphire and now on 20-25 losing streak. You can’t grind to ruby when you’re losing over and over again. My current win/loss kinda shows what they are experiencing by starting late.

First 80 matches: 74 wins 6 losses
next 40 matches: 8 wins 32 losses 17 consecutive losses.

As stated in another thread, I am above where I was expecting to be as a casual player. I aimed for top emerald to mid sapphire (That being the middle ground) Most of my matches were played at the end of the first week of leagues. I cruised through to top tier sapphire..a couple losses and moved on to next division.

This is what players are complaining about. Most of my first matches were lop sided or white wash.

Most of my later games were losses and have been humiliating white washs (500-37) With my few win wins being lop sided (500-167)

Out of 110 games only 3 were of the games within 20 points of each other.

I am now finding when the match starts no one talks, no one targets, no one quickly alt or gear swaps, no one pings, home defense can’t 1 vs 1, many martyrs throw themselves at mid for 1 vs 3.

The quality of matches has become regrettable. So on note that I stopped my season. With no 100% MMR reset at end of season, why should I tank myself? when there is no real reward to play and risk ruining my next season.

It is not about getting good..is entirely that players are getting MMR hell and ppl who started early season and were dedicated grinded winning streaks to ruby early and this in the long run has lead to lesser match quality because they can’t loss divisions. Getting good is one thing, the real fix is people can loss divisions and each season MMR gets entirely reset for a fresh start.

I apologize if my comment what not doing justice to your situation. It was not my intent. I merely make a difference between ruby and what exist before because of the safe guards that exist making ruby a bottle neck where you being paired with ppl of your level can be quite a journey considering the vastness of actual skill range that exist as opposed to what the MMR might lead you to believe.

Its a forum..you weren’t rude, each players experiences should help make the game better if the feedback is used usefully.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

So simply put you got farmed by players you shouldn’t be facing anyway.

Unranked matchmaking is different. It is still based on MMR so you will face enemies around your MMR there.

What is the point of putting all the high MMR players in one team and match them with low MMR aka bad players? This would skew the MMR ratings, unfairly inflating the MMR ratings of the winning side and unfairly lowering the MMR rating of the losing side. Meaning that a long loss or win streak at the beginning of season 2 could have a very long lasting effect. In other words some players get carried far with the inflated MMR which gives them better team mates and those who are very unlucky at start, have almost no way to recover, unless they suddenly develop ESL level of skills (not going to happen) or make a full premade.

I really cannot understand why Arenanet lets this blow out super high burst meta and awful match making continue. I like even games, not total blows, even when I am on the winning side. Maybe it is just me but I think there should be challenge, tight games and come backs, but not too many utter blowouts.

Sighs, still waiting Arenanet to fix WvWvW. Remove all that HoT and pve junk (SMC air strike, banners, shrines) and bring back the original maps without any of the new gimmicks. I am really sad the of state of this game. I would actually pay money to get the original pre-June 2015 game back (and be happy without any of the new stuff, even though gliding is cool). I also think spvp was better without all that power creep. Let’s call it GW2 Classic.

The reason they did it is so that "better"players climb up divisions faster. In theory it is great idea, in reality not so much if you take human factor in account. People don’t like to lose, also probably nobody is willing to get farmed for weeks so divisions balance out. That is why i suggested to add placement matches at begin of the season so “better” players get placed in higher divisions right away.

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Posted by: Littlefeather.8623

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Let’s stop the semantics already, this system favors premades over solo q’ers, let’s just call it like it is. Since we all know this, the use of"good", “better”, "pro’s even somewhat are used within the context of this pvp system. I say let’s stop using the words “better”, “good”, etc and use premades in place.

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Posted by: CntrlAltDefeat.1465

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So simply put you got farmed by players you shouldn’t be facing anyway.

Unranked matchmaking is different. It is still based on MMR so you will face enemies around your MMR there.

What is the point of putting all the high MMR players in one team and match them with low MMR aka bad players? This would skew the MMR ratings, unfairly inflating the MMR ratings of the winning side and unfairly lowering the MMR rating of the losing side. Meaning that a long loss or win streak at the beginning of season 2 could have a very long lasting effect. In other words some players get carried far with the inflated MMR which gives them better team mates and those who are very unlucky at start, have almost no way to recover, unless they suddenly develop ESL level of skills (not going to happen) or make a full premade.

I really cannot understand why Arenanet lets this blow out super high burst meta and awful match making continue. I like even games, not total blows, even when I am on the winning side. Maybe it is just me but I think there should be challenge, tight games and come backs, but not too many utter blowouts.

Sighs, still waiting Arenanet to fix WvWvW. Remove all that HoT and pve junk (SMC air strike, banners, shrines) and bring back the original maps without any of the new gimmicks. I am really sad the of state of this game. I would actually pay money to get the original pre-June 2015 game back (and be happy without any of the new stuff, even though gliding is cool). I also think spvp was better without all that power creep. Let’s call it GW2 Classic.

i thought this AI was corrcted this season.

It was previously as example
Team A Team B
1 x Superior player 1 x Good player
1 x Good player 1x Good player
2 x Average players 3 X average players
1 x inexperienced player

Resulting in that team B had the better hedged bet. As much as the superior player will try to carry Team B good players will target the weak link in the inexperienced player and blow the match out by them being the weak link.

The MMR this season aimed for;
Team A Team B
4 x good players 3 x good players
1 x average 1x average/casual
1 x better than good player

The aim was to balance matches more evenly.

However the issue seems to be that the MMR when it finds too teams tends to put players of very similar pips/divisions all in one team (tier 6 sapphire) vs Players of similar pips/divisions (Tier 2 sapphire) together. As long as they are in pip range of each other it is considered reasonable fair. However as much as anet has stated this, it still has an element of where the MMR already has a percentage chance of which team it expects to win. Ergo it will favour the team it expects to win by placing all the higher tier/pip players in that team. The result is you have a self fulfilling prophecy.

Already a number of respected players in organised PvP has posted about how to carry and the importance of tactics..which kinda lends itself to the idea that good players, regardless of who they are placed with will still win regularly and therefore don’t need to the assistance of also being given the lions share of the higher tier/pip players in their team. Whereas the less organised player will give a better match if they have slightly higher quality players around them. It would suggest this is a better way of forming better quality matches.

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Posted by: Deniara Devious.3948

Deniara Devious.3948

The reason they did it is so that "better"players climb up divisions faster. In theory it is great idea, in reality not so much if you take human factor in account. People don’t like to lose, also probably nobody is willing to get farmed for weeks so divisions balance out. That is why i suggested to add placement matches at begin of the season so “better” players get placed in higher divisions right away.

If the match making really works like this, then it is beyond stupidity. The vast majority of gamers around the world want to have a sense of fairness. Sports and game spectators around the world want to have a sense of fairness. Gamers hate the idea that big part of the their games are decided by in advance by giving the other side unfair advantage.

Now imagine a sports analogue:
Let’s put Serena Williams and Roger Federer in 1 team and match them against Mr and Mr Average who play tennis every 2nd Sunday. Of course the 1st would win, but what fun would the win be for them? And the audience would feel cheated and might turn their pity towards the losers.

A LOT of damage is already done. Arenanet can still fix part of this by:
A) introducing purely MMR 50/50 based match making it more like Season 1 (the code is there and I am sure most of the great players are already in legendary so this won’t hurt them)
or
B) scrap MMR and match only purely based on division pip range, meaning that you have in the long run even chance of getting both good and bad players from the division range.

This should be done immediately as the longer this continues, the less players will be left.

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Posted by: Littlefeather.8623

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Already a number of respected players in organised PvP has posted about how to carry and the importance of tactics..which kinda lends itself to the idea that good players, regardless of who they are placed with will still win regularly and therefore don’t need to the assistance of also being given the lions share of the higher tier/pip players in their team. Whereas the less organised player will give a better match if they have slightly higher quality players around them. It would suggest this is a better way of forming better quality matches.

So from tips and guides of solo q players who attempt to carry make you infer that solo q carriers will “sill win regularly”?

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

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The reason they did it is so that "better"players climb up divisions faster. In theory it is great idea, in reality not so much if you take human factor in account. People don’t like to lose, also probably nobody is willing to get farmed for weeks so divisions balance out. That is why i suggested to add placement matches at begin of the season so “better” players get placed in higher divisions right away.

If the match making really works like this, then it is beyond stupidity. The vast majority of gamers around the world want to have a sense of fairness. Sports and game spectators around the world want to have a sense of fairness. Gamers hate the idea that big part of the their games are decided by in advance by giving the other side unfair advantage.

Now imagine a sports analogue:
Let’s put Serena Williams and Roger Federer in 1 team and match them against Mr and Mr Average who play tennis every 2nd Sunday. Of course the 1st would win, but what fun would the win be for them? And the audience would feel cheated and might turn their pity towards the losers.

A LOT of damage is already done. Arenanet can still fix part of this by:
A) introducing purely MMR 50/50 based match making it more like Season 1 (the code is there and I am sure most of the great players are already in legendary so this won’t hurt them)
or
B) scrap MMR and match only purely based on division pip range, meaning that you have in the long run even chance of getting both good and bad players from the division range.

This should be done immediately as the longer this continues, the less players will be left.

50/50 matchmaking was bad, it made leagues just a glorified farmable reward track and had nothing to do with skill at all

it should be based on division/pip range, idk why they didn’t do it (assuming they also change emerald/sapphire so you can lose tiers there)

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Posted by: Raek.8504

Raek.8504

The reason they did it is so that "better"players climb up divisions faster. In theory it is great idea, in reality not so much if you take human factor in account. People don’t like to lose, also probably nobody is willing to get farmed for weeks so divisions balance out. That is why i suggested to add placement matches at begin of the season so “better” players get placed in higher divisions right away.

If the match making really works like this, then it is beyond stupidity. The vast majority of gamers around the world want to have a sense of fairness. Sports and game spectators around the world want to have a sense of fairness. Gamers hate the idea that big part of the their games are decided by in advance by giving the other side unfair advantage.

Now imagine a sports analogue:
Let’s put Serena Williams and Roger Federer in 1 team and match them against Mr and Mr Average who play tennis every 2nd Sunday. Of course the 1st would win, but what fun would the win be for them? And the audience would feel cheated and might turn their pity towards the losers.

A LOT of damage is already done. Arenanet can still fix part of this by:
A) introducing purely MMR 50/50 based match making it more like Season 1 (the code is there and I am sure most of the great players are already in legendary so this won’t hurt them)
or
B) scrap MMR and match only purely based on division pip range, meaning that you have in the long run even chance of getting both good and bad players from the division range.

This should be done immediately as the longer this continues, the less players will be left.

50/50 matchmaking was bad, it made leagues just a glorified farmable reward track and had nothing to do with skill at all

it should be based on division/pip range, idk why they didn’t do it (assuming they also change emerald/sapphire so you can lose tiers there)

Well depends.

That it is dilemma actually.

Spvp population is rather small. So creating real competitive environments is close to impossible. Because everything ll always go down to “population” “que times” arguments.

So it’s either make the majority happy, and big guys will still have their espurt/scrims to have equal games.

Or you keep the leagues as they are now. With some added rewards. To please the competitive. Witness more whine. And population shrinking.

It’s easy to forsee.

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Posted by: SailorSpira.9371

SailorSpira.9371

I play in the lower divisions. I deserve to be in the lower divisions. I sometimes play with players who I feel should not be matched with me due to their higher skill level. This is rare and those players are normally skilled at say the next division up (Sapphire).

I have yet to be matched with anyone I considered a far superior player who carried the whole team. The players i’ve played with who make the posts on the forums about people ruining their games tend to be people who have a set match plan they will not deviate from regardless of match conditions and spend their time abusing team mates instead of observing and adapting. (I have not played with everyone who’s made such a post).

I think there is an issue with there not being enough players to fill the lower ranks and keeping people down as a result. There are Ambers who should be Emeralds and Emeralds who should be Sapphires. But I don’t believe (with the exception of alt accounts) that there are any Amber / Emerald players who deserve to be in Ruby or above.

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