Guild Wars 2

It seems like they always have stability on them… And it lasts for a pretty long duration.

What does mallyx have to do with stability? It’s their trait in retribution.

He means resistance perhaps?

You can take the Mallyx legend and the Corruption and Retribution trait lines. Resistance and then stability on dodge makes it very hard to CC a player be it soft (cripple, chill, immob) or hard (stun, etc).

Retribution+enh bulwark in herald. Rev has no other access to stab.

The mallyx I’ve seen constantly have Stability on them. I was not talking about resistance. And I know that it is not exclusive to the condition part of the class.

Hes talking about the commonly used build by that name.

Yes the build has alot of stability AND resistance uptime. Combine that with alot of boonstrips and chill uptime and they do a very good job cutting out most of the strengths of other builds.

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

XxsdgxX.8109:

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

Oh comeon. Its obvious hes talking about the build by the same name. Its not hard to figure that out. Spend 20 seconds thinking about what he could mean before switching to ridicule mode.

The current meta revenant build is refered to often as the Malyx Revenant. As its the most common legend used. There are different variations of this build but all of them have malyx as a stable to it. Its just a name in this case. Hes not saying hte stab is COMING from the malyx line.

Shadelang.3012:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

Oh comeon. Its obvious hes talking about the build by the same name. Its not hard to figure that out. Spend 20 seconds thinking about what he could mean before switching to ridicule mode.

The current meta revenant build is refered to often as the Malyx Revenant. As its the most common legend used. There are different variations of this build but all of them have malyx as a stable to it. Its just a name in this case. Hes not saying hte stab is COMING from the malyx line.

Meta is Shiro/Glint.

Burtnik.5218:

Shadelang.3012:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

Oh comeon. Its obvious hes talking about the build by the same name. Its not hard to figure that out. Spend 20 seconds thinking about what he could mean before switching to ridicule mode.

The current meta revenant build is refered to often as the Malyx Revenant. As its the most common legend used. There are different variations of this build but all of them have malyx as a stable to it. Its just a name in this case. Hes not saying hte stab is COMING from the malyx line.

Meta is Shiro/Glint.

I believe there were more viper revs in the last pro league, and I’m sure we will see a lot more of them in future ones, so I would agree that viper mallyx is the current meta build for revs.

Photinous.4628:

Burtnik.5218:

Shadelang.3012:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

Oh comeon. Its obvious hes talking about the build by the same name. Its not hard to figure that out. Spend 20 seconds thinking about what he could mean before switching to ridicule mode.

The current meta revenant build is refered to often as the Malyx Revenant. As its the most common legend used. There are different variations of this build but all of them have malyx as a stable to it. Its just a name in this case. Hes not saying hte stab is COMING from the malyx line.

Meta is Shiro/Glint.

I believe there were more viper revs in the last pro league, and I’m sure we will see a lot more of them in future ones, so I would agree that viper mallyx is the current meta build for revs.

S/G in PL : 9
S/M in PL : 6

I’d say each has their strengths if we get into it. Meta is just easy to pick up, not strongest. It fits into general comps and allows mistakes. Unrelated to discussion, but Javis/Shiro is INCREDIBLE. Just chain someone and perform rapid dissection. Hasn’t failed me yet.

Burtnik.5218:

Shadelang.3012:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

Oh comeon. Its obvious hes talking about the build by the same name. Its not hard to figure that out. Spend 20 seconds thinking about what he could mean before switching to ridicule mode.

The current meta revenant build is refered to often as the Malyx Revenant. As its the most common legend used. There are different variations of this build but all of them have malyx as a stable to it. Its just a name in this case. Hes not saying hte stab is COMING from the malyx line.

Meta is Shiro/Glint.

Glint / Shiro is actually fading away for the Malyx builds right now.
Malyx gets more boon strip than a signet necro, they have a NO CD 2 boons strip, and are highly effective at staying alive against conditions which is usually revenant’s weakness.

They have really good hybrid damage too.

The build is kind of a reaction to thief going out of the meta + Mesmers going bunkers builds, allowing Rev to play some kind of super powerful offence build with Viper Amulet without the threat of being bursted down by power roamers.

I think nerfing the boon strip utility to 1 per use ( like the Thief S/D 3 nerf ) and the highly probable thief buff will help solve this build out. They just get destroyed by Thief burst.

Thief doesn’t get buffs. Thief gets nerfed.

Nocta.5274:

Burtnik.5218:

Shadelang.3012:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

Oh comeon. Its obvious hes talking about the build by the same name. Its not hard to figure that out. Spend 20 seconds thinking about what he could mean before switching to ridicule mode.

The current meta revenant build is refered to often as the Malyx Revenant. As its the most common legend used. There are different variations of this build but all of them have malyx as a stable to it. Its just a name in this case. Hes not saying hte stab is COMING from the malyx line.

Meta is Shiro/Glint.

Glint / Shiro is actually fading away for the Malyx builds right now.
Malyx gets more boon strip than a signet necro, they have a NO CD 2 boons strip, and are highly effective at staying alive against conditions which is usually revenant’s weakness.

They have really good hybrid damage too.

The build is kind of a reaction to thief going out of the meta + Mesmers going bunkers builds, allowing Rev to play some kind of super powerful offence build with Viper Amulet without the threat of being bursted down by power roamers.

I think nerfing the boon strip utility to 1 per use ( like the Thief S/D 3 nerf ) and the highly probable thief buff will help solve this build out. They just get destroyed by Thief burst.

Well, the reason people are using Viper Mallyx/Shiro is because it’s a condi build with mobility and plenty of active(and passive) defenses. It can afford to go Viper to do good condi damage while still dealing decent direct damage because Sword is really strong.

Nerfing Banish Enchantment would be awful. Unlike Thief, it doesn’t act as a somewhat spammable defense at the same time(yes, Demonic Defiance exists; I wouldn’t say it’s as good as an evade) and it doesn’t affect every single one of their skills(Flanking + Larcenous Strike is 5 Initiative, which Thief can get back through multiple methods aside from just waiting, while Banish Enchantment costs 20 Energy and thus also affects the usability of everything else, not just utilities).

People are so quick to ask for nerfs and no, I don’t play Mallyx Rev. Not anymore anyway. His whole rework in BWE3 is a kitten mess. If it really does become an issue, though, then just rework Enhanced Bulwark. It’s the trait that makes Mallyx’s weakness much less prevalent, but also has very little synergy with the rest of the class. It basically forces you to run Retribution + Herald lines to do anything worthwhile because the Jalis Road sucks so bad..

Nocta.5274:

Burtnik.5218:

Shadelang.3012:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

Oh comeon. Its obvious hes talking about the build by the same name. Its not hard to figure that out. Spend 20 seconds thinking about what he could mean before switching to ridicule mode.

The current meta revenant build is refered to often as the Malyx Revenant. As its the most common legend used. There are different variations of this build but all of them have malyx as a stable to it. Its just a name in this case. Hes not saying hte stab is COMING from the malyx line.

Meta is Shiro/Glint.

Glint / Shiro is actually fading away for the Malyx builds right now.
Malyx gets more boon strip than a signet necro, they have a NO CD 2 boons strip, and are highly effective at staying alive against conditions which is usually revenant’s weakness.

They have really good hybrid damage too.

The build is kind of a reaction to thief going out of the meta + Mesmers going bunkers builds, allowing Rev to play some kind of super powerful offence build with Viper Amulet without the threat of being bursted down by power roamers.

I think nerfing the boon strip utility to 1 per use ( like the Thief S/D 3 nerf ) and the highly probable thief buff will help solve this build out. They just get destroyed by Thief burst.

Power rev can still burst the kitten out of viper rev without any issues. And so many builds that wasnt played in PL like dh oneshooting them with traps etc. I see people trying it out but they just die like some upscaled dudes in wvw. Its a build that has to be carried by team while Shiro/Glint can fight well on it own. I would dare to say that even skullcrack warrior will wreck them if they land one well timed cc unless they run double stab on dodge.

Well, maybe don’t reduce it to 1 boon, but increase the energy cost atleast.

I honestly think the boons strips in the game are too either too good or useless, which makes it harder for arenanet to finally try to nerf the boon spams meta going initiated by D/D Ele before HoT.

There’s just too many spammable boons on everyone right now but I guess it’s another topic. But I strongly argue that Malyx is getting popularity because of the boon strip. The other advantages came later once people figured out the build itself.

Burtnik.5218:

Nocta.5274:

Burtnik.5218:

Shadelang.3012:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Stability on Mallyx? Lmao this people are a joke

Oh comeon. Its obvious hes talking about the build by the same name. Its not hard to figure that out. Spend 20 seconds thinking about what he could mean before switching to ridicule mode.

The current meta revenant build is refered to often as the Malyx Revenant. As its the most common legend used. There are different variations of this build but all of them have malyx as a stable to it. Its just a name in this case. Hes not saying hte stab is COMING from the malyx line.

Meta is Shiro/Glint.

Glint / Shiro is actually fading away for the Malyx builds right now.
Malyx gets more boon strip than a signet necro, they have a NO CD 2 boons strip, and are highly effective at staying alive against conditions which is usually revenant’s weakness.

They have really good hybrid damage too.

The build is kind of a reaction to thief going out of the meta + Mesmers going bunkers builds, allowing Rev to play some kind of super powerful offence build with Viper Amulet without the threat of being bursted down by power roamers.

I think nerfing the boon strip utility to 1 per use ( like the Thief S/D 3 nerf ) and the highly probable thief buff will help solve this build out. They just get destroyed by Thief burst.

Power rev can still burst the kitten out of viper rev without any issues. And so many builds that wasnt played in PL like dh oneshooting them with traps etc. I see people trying it out but they just die like some upscaled dudes in wvw. Its a build that has to be carried by team while Shiro/Glint can fight well on it own. I would dare to say that even skullcrack warrior will wreck them if they land one well timed cc unless they run double stab on dodge.

It’s a meta reaction build for sure. People are using it because of how many bunkers with perma boons uptime are everywhere and how little power bursting class are being used.

Nocta.5274:

Well, maybe don’t reduce it to 1 boon, but increase the energy cost atleast.

I honestly think the boons strips in the game are too either too good or useless, which makes it harder for arenanet to finally try to nerf the boon spams meta going initiated by D/D Ele before HoT.

There’s just too many spammable boons on everyone right now but I guess it’s another topic. But I strongly argue that Malyx is getting popularity because of the boon strip. The other advantages came later once people figured out the build itself.

This game needs MORE boon strips.
Everyone’s running around with tons of them and we need a way to deal with it.
Larcenous Strike needed a change because it was not only a somewhat spammable Evade and gap closer, but also STOLE boons, not just stripped them.
Although, that was from a long time ago; it probably wouldn’t even cause issues at 2 boon steals now.

While I agree that Banish Enchantment is actually one of the only things Mallyx is worth running for now, I really don’t agree that it’s too strong or needs nerfing. Increasing the energy cost is also silly. Mallyx is already plague by huge costs and you want to nerf the only thing he really has left aside from Resistance spam?(which shouldn’t exist anymore since he lost all his risky gameplay) I don’t see the problem with removing 4 boons and applying 6 Confusion for 40 Energy, for example. That’s a lot of energy; potentially leaving you with just your Mace skills for a few seconds and no utilities. Have to mention that it’s also on a single target(technically it can hit multiple people, but it needs to be in a straight line).

I guess it’s just a design direction disagreement.

You want more boon strip to counter the boon spam while I would rather reduce the amount of boons being spammed.

I don’t honestly think either of us is wrong here.

It’s Enhanced Bulwark trait. Some Viper Revenants are trading the shield proc at 25% health to it, because Mallyx has no stunbreakers. Any Herald build can use this combination, it’s just more needed in non Shiro+Glint builds.

Basically, what this trait does is whenever you get Stability boon, you also get 1 bonus Stability stack for ~5s. Since with Durability runes which increase duration of all boons by 20% Herald has 35% boon duration without FoN, that Stability is also increased in duration as well as Resistance. This isn’t that big of a problem without Durability runes which are a little too good in general.

And since minor in Retribution gives short (~2s) 1 stack of Stability on dodge, it will also proc Enhanced Bulwark. Then you have Shiro with it’s stunbreak that restores one full dodge with Riposting Shadows and circle is complete.

In general, Mallyx is one of the things about Revenant that are still work in progress as it was brutally changed just before the release to “alpha” version. It should change soon.

the almost constant stability is what makes it incerdibly hard to face mallyx/shiro in 1v1’s, combined with the resistance and boonstrip, you have strong counters against many things currently strong 1v1-builds rely on.

But what ppl have to realize is that you sacrifice a lot in terms of being harder to burst down in teamfights when going for a spec like that. So my best advice is to simply +1 the rev, play for 2 nodes and teamfight as much as possible, cuz in teamfights, mallyx/shiro just fals almost instantly against decent burst and since you have much more CC avalable in teamfights, it actually is possible to CC the rev.

Btw. I think glint/shiro can go for double stability way easier than shiro/mallyx, cuz he is better against burst than shiro/mallyx and doesn’t need the added crystal hibernation as badly. The double stability is sth I’ve thought of being broken since th beginning and I’m glad to see ppl now finally realize that it is just incredibly strong.

It’s a grandmaster trait they’re supposed to be strong. And enhanced bulwark only really makes sense if you’re running retribution line so there’s a lot of commitment necessary to get that two stacks on dodge.

Leave my bulwark alone.