Guild Wars 2

Alright boiz,

Last week I got to 1820 points and was around rank 105 in NA while duoing. We were on an 11 game winstreak and were completely unstoppable, but then my duo had to log off, so I also logged off. The next day I decided to play solo. I changed NOTHING in my playstyle, NOTHING in terms of build, and suddenly my rating plummets. I face the same high level duo twice, I play well both those games but my teammates are gold… like LITERALLY GOLD. Despite the insane difference in skill levels, I lose 15 points per loss vs this high plat duo (one of the players got Legendary the next day). I get kittened off and take a break, only to face another duoQ of high plat players while playing with a full solo team. What in the world is this god awful matchmaking? I don’t wanna give up so I just keep going only to keep facing high level players with golds and even silvers on my team. A solo player in Plat has no way of carrying multiple players like this. I drop to 1667 rating and call it a day. Currently at 1716 rating.

All these pro players such as Helseth can pretend that they’re much better than everyone else, but let’s face the reality. The top players in both regions use exploits, pay gold for wins, and ONLY DuoQ in ranked, never solo. Don’t even try to contest the last point, if you guys think that Toker and Nos can actually get 80% winrates playing solo I feel sorry for you. It’s ridiculous how great of an advantage duo players have over solo players in a game where the population is relatively low and there’s large skill gaps within teams caused by that low pop. Its impossible for solo players to climb the leaderboards because as they climb they’ll face other “high level” players who just duo with other “high level” players and stomp the randoms that you get on your team.

Solution:
1. Solo Queue Only Queue
2. Team Queue
3. Instant Perma IP Ban for people who pay gold for wins
4. Leaving in the middle of a match leads to being locked out for 16 minutes.

Solo queue as the only, would do a lot to fix the problem imo.

They also need to make the gap for potential match-ups smaller.
Like if you are in top 250, I don’t think you should be able to be matched with people still in gold. The skill level difference is wayy too drastic. I think the player base is getting too small though, or at least it feels that way.

Even with the playerbase as small as it is the match maker should be balancing the teams, if there are 2 plat players, seperate them on opposite sides, simple. Balance the games so it at least feels fair, the way some of these game are going it feels like being thrown to the lions in ancient rome with nothing but a loin cloth and a prayer.

.Before I quit the game I have never dropped below 1800 rating while solo Qing only. I was always between 1810 and 1890. If you drop ddown to 1600 something rating while solo Qing that means you got carried to 1800+, and since your duo partener got offline and cant carry you, its pretty normal to drop down to where you belong.

it’s possible, in NA I did climb to top 10 once only solo with 200 games and I haven’t dropped bellow 1830 rating, so yeah it is possible but not recommended.

Buddy, you got carried.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/kittykittymeowmew-elo-hell-DEFEATED

Edit: Just to clarify, he solo-q’d through all of it.

Possible but if you doing it manually, your doing it wrong.

Emdrix.6124:

.Before I quit the game I have never dropped below 1800 rating while solo Qing only. I was always between 1810 and 1890. If you drop ddown to 1600 something rating while solo Qing that means you got carried to 1800+, and since your duo partener got offline and cant carry you, its pretty normal to drop down to where you belong.

He said he is Platinum getting matched with Gold players and their lack of skill is dragging him down through the ranks and you essentially responded with “git gud and carry 80% of your team”……

As others have pointed out, the match ups have a gap in skill due to population, a population which has drastically decreased this season most likely due to how “awsome” season 5 is.

Then duo Q to the top.

From a pure competitive perspective it should be solo queue only. It is a shame that a lot of the top players on eu will only duo queue usually with mesmer thief and then moa far and just snowball the whole game from there.

This hurts the game. People just quit queuing when unbalanced match ups come up.

However, alot of people like to play with friends. The solution is that the matchmaker need to have a hard lock on the difference between teams. 1800 players should never be placed against these try hard 2100 duo queues. What i am saying is that if these try hards want to duo queue and stomp at 2100 rating they should have queue times of around 15 minutes.

The gap sure huge in this game. HoT make this block block block inv inv dodge dodge dodge 12345 off + def same time….. this kittening combat system just for 10% or less high skill player who know the timing and have a good net speed. Other? just make a lucky hit or do not make enough damage to kill anyone.

You except need to know skill rotation for your class and
You MUST need to know all other class their skill rotation.
If not, you just have two result:
1.You can’t make any damage for any enemy because of less touch time in that block block block 12345 rotation. even if you know that rotation. you also need to know How to Burst. If not, you still can’t make any kill or enough damage.
2.Dead in a Sec. The damage all are out of control because of less touch time. If you a New player that you don’t know how all other class skill rotation work and don’t make your def rotation. You sure Die.
If Anet think a new player can do above things that main they all are crazy. New player even can’t make a right time dodge. who want to play a game that die again again and again? how many ppls can keep to play it until they know all class skill? That why GW2 have this poor player base.

Move off that def + off same time system, condi stack, aoe damage spam(HoT Powercreep) is the only way to help this game renaissance.

xeonage.1253:

The gap sure huge in this game. HoT make this block block block inv inv dodge dodge dodge 12345 off + def same time….. this kittening combat system just for 10% or less high skill player who know the timing and have a good net speed. Other? just make a lucky hit or do not make enough damage to kill anyone.

You except need to know skill rotation for your class and
You MUST need to know all other class their skill rotation.
If not, you just have two result:
1.You can’t make any damage for any enemy because of less touch time in that block block block 12345 rotation. even if you know that rotation. you also need to know How to Burst. If not, you still can’t make any kill or enough damage.
2.Dead in a Sec. The damage all are out of control because of less touch time. If you a New player that you don’t know how all other class skill rotation work and don’t make your def rotation. You sure Die.
If Anet think a new player can do above things that main they all are crazy. New player even can’t make a right time dodge. who want to play a game that die again again and again? how many ppls can keep to play it until they know all class skill? That why GW2 have this poor player base.

I agree. This is build wars. The best players are just the ones who know how to play around other classes rather than those with quick reflexes or clever thinking. The builds carry ths play so when you play against a player you just have to beat their build not them as a person.

Lordrosicky.5813:

From a pure competitive perspective it should be solo queue only. It is a shame that a lot of the top players on eu will only duo queue usually with mesmer thief and then moa far and just snowball the whole game from there.

This hurts the game. People just quit queuing when unbalanced match ups come up.

However, alot of people like to play with friends. The solution is that the matchmaker need to have a hard lock on the difference between teams. 1800 players should never be placed against these try hard 2100 duo queues. What i am saying is that if these try hards want to duo queue and stomp at 2100 rating they should have queue times of around 15 minutes.

Both sides are accurately represented here. I for one fully support solo duo because I know the insane positive effect it has to the people who want to q but don’t want to do it solo. I find it very boring on my level of play though because if I want to stay in the top 5 I’m pretty much forced to duo. Playing soloq and landing vs 2x players from rank55 makes it impossible. Meanwhile, if I duo and those guys arent playing then it’s just my side freestomping everything.

I didnt know of this solution before but league of legends have perfectly solved it IMO. Once you hit a certain rating level you can no longer duoq in ranked. This means that if me and frae want to q at 23 then we are most definitely going to face eachother every single game which makes it x100 more interesting than if we are premading and nobody else is online.

Going to push hard for this change because I think it’d do wonders for the community.

nothelseth.4621:

Lordrosicky.5813:

From a pure competitive perspective it should be solo queue only. It is a shame that a lot of the top players on eu will only duo queue usually with mesmer thief and then moa far and just snowball the whole game from there.

This hurts the game. People just quit queuing when unbalanced match ups come up.

However, alot of people like to play with friends. The solution is that the matchmaker need to have a hard lock on the difference between teams. 1800 players should never be placed against these try hard 2100 duo queues. What i am saying is that if these try hards want to duo queue and stomp at 2100 rating they should have queue times of around 15 minutes.

Both sides are accurately represented here. I for one fully support solo duo because I know the insane positive effect it has to the people who want to q but don’t want to do it solo. I find it very boring on my level of play though because if I want to stay in the top 5 I’m pretty much forced to duo. Playing soloq and landing vs 2x players from rank55 makes it impossible. Meanwhile, if I duo and those guys arent playing then it’s just my side freestomping everything.

I didnt know of this solution before but league of legends have perfectly solved it IMO. Once you hit a certain rating level you can no longer duoq in ranked. This means that if me and frae want to q at 23 then we are most definitely going to face eachother every single game which makes it x100 more interesting than if we are premading and nobody else is online.

Going to push hard for this change because I think it’d do wonders for the community.

Thats an AMAZING idea. Once you hit 1950 you cannot duo queue. That is literally perfect. It would solve all the issues and at the same time it would mean that casual players can still play with friends.

Wow i hope they do this.

Maybe the top 250 should have to solo queue that way for them to stay top 250 they essentially have to show they are the best and carry (or do the best they can). Of course there’s always going to be fringe cases where the 240-250 spots keep fluctuating as the duo pair pushes into it then drops because the ability to coordinate with 1 other person is very strong.

However one thing I haven’t seen many bring up is that this game is a team game, it is balanced around classes and their roles within teams. Being unable to rely on your team can have a very negative effect on your ability to play depending on class and I just don’t see a solution to that tbh.

At the end of the day the system isn’t perfect but compared to previous seasons it’s a lot better and I feel it works well enough that I honestly can’t complain except for the lack of game modes.

apharma.3741:

Maybe the top 250 should have to solo queue that way for them to stay top 250 they essentially have to show they are the best and carry (or do the best they can). Of course there’s always going to be fringe cases where the 240-250 spots keep fluctuating as the duo pair pushes into it then drops because the ability to coordinate with 1 other person is very strong.

However one thing I haven’t seen many bring up is that this game is a team game, it is balanced around classes and their roles within teams. Being unable to rely on your team can have a very negative effect on your ability to play depending on class and I just don’t see a solution to that tbh.

At the end of the day the system isn’t perfect but compared to previous seasons it’s a lot better and I feel it works well enough that I honestly can’t complain except for the lack of game modes.

A rating cap is way eaiser to do and also way less confusing and less feel bad for players for many reasons.

Honestly the high end games are kind of dead currently. The mesmer thief duo and push far to insta moa someone and then snowball the whole map from there……that is ruining the higher queues. People are dodge queuing alot. And then a bunch of 1800 get matched with the try hards and just quit.

Lordrosicky.5813:

apharma.3741:

Maybe the top 250 should have to solo queue that way for them to stay top 250 they essentially have to show they are the best and carry (or do the best they can). Of course there’s always going to be fringe cases where the 240-250 spots keep fluctuating as the duo pair pushes into it then drops because the ability to coordinate with 1 other person is very strong.

However one thing I haven’t seen many bring up is that this game is a team game, it is balanced around classes and their roles within teams. Being unable to rely on your team can have a very negative effect on your ability to play depending on class and I just don’t see a solution to that tbh.

At the end of the day the system isn’t perfect but compared to previous seasons it’s a lot better and I feel it works well enough that I honestly can’t complain except for the lack of game modes.

A rating cap is way eaiser to do and also way less confusing and less feel bad for players for many reasons.

Honestly the high end games are kind of dead currently. The mesmer thief duo and push far to insta moa someone and then snowball the whole map from there……that is ruining the higher queues. People are dodge queuing alot. And then a bunch of 1800 get matched with the try hards and just quit.

I guess a rating cap or limit makes it easier but you will still get those fringe cases where those on the edge will keep pushing up or down as they duo or not duo.

If it’s the legendary rank and it essentially means those people going up or down are not likely to lose a title due to loses vs duo queue players then yeah I agree ratings is better. As you say easier to implement and understand.

apharma.3741:

Lordrosicky.5813:

apharma.3741:

Maybe the top 250 should have to solo queue that way for them to stay top 250 they essentially have to show they are the best and carry (or do the best they can). Of course there’s always going to be fringe cases where the 240-250 spots keep fluctuating as the duo pair pushes into it then drops because the ability to coordinate with 1 other person is very strong.

However one thing I haven’t seen many bring up is that this game is a team game, it is balanced around classes and their roles within teams. Being unable to rely on your team can have a very negative effect on your ability to play depending on class and I just don’t see a solution to that tbh.

At the end of the day the system isn’t perfect but compared to previous seasons it’s a lot better and I feel it works well enough that I honestly can’t complain except for the lack of game modes.

A rating cap is way eaiser to do and also way less confusing and less feel bad for players for many reasons.

Honestly the high end games are kind of dead currently. The mesmer thief duo and push far to insta moa someone and then snowball the whole map from there……that is ruining the higher queues. People are dodge queuing alot. And then a bunch of 1800 get matched with the try hards and just quit.

I guess a rating cap or limit makes it easier but you will still get those fringe cases where those on the edge will keep pushing up or down as they duo or not duo.

If it’s the legendary rank and it essentially means those people going up or down are not likely to lose a title due to loses vs duo queue players then yeah I agree ratings is better. As you say easier to implement and understand.

Well its killing the higher end pvp currently. I know this sounds exaggerating but it is true. People dodge queuing the duo queues happens. And these duo queues are just ruining so many games with far push into moa + thief spike into snowball the whole game because people dont regroup.

Nothelseth’s solution is perfect and urgent for next season.

Lordrosicky.5813:

nothelseth.4621:

Lordrosicky.5813:

From a pure competitive perspective it should be solo queue only. It is a shame that a lot of the top players on eu will only duo queue usually with mesmer thief and then moa far and just snowball the whole game from there.

This hurts the game. People just quit queuing when unbalanced match ups come up.

However, alot of people like to play with friends. The solution is that the matchmaker need to have a hard lock on the difference between teams. 1800 players should never be placed against these try hard 2100 duo queues. What i am saying is that if these try hards want to duo queue and stomp at 2100 rating they should have queue times of around 15 minutes.

Both sides are accurately represented here. I for one fully support solo duo because I know the insane positive effect it has to the people who want to q but don’t want to do it solo. I find it very boring on my level of play though because if I want to stay in the top 5 I’m pretty much forced to duo. Playing soloq and landing vs 2x players from rank55 makes it impossible. Meanwhile, if I duo and those guys arent playing then it’s just my side freestomping everything.

I didnt know of this solution before but league of legends have perfectly solved it IMO. Once you hit a certain rating level you can no longer duoq in ranked. This means that if me and frae want to q at 23 then we are most definitely going to face eachother every single game which makes it x100 more interesting than if we are premading and nobody else is online.

Going to push hard for this change because I think it’d do wonders for the community.

Thats an AMAZING idea. Once you hit 1950 you cannot duo queue. That is literally perfect. It would solve all the issues and at the same time it would mean that casual players can still play with friends.

Wow i hope they do this.

I do not think this is a good idea at all. As someone who is legendary division, I would hate it to just not be able to play with my friends. Being forced to solo is a BAD idea, and no, I don’t duo just to stomp noobs. Having the ability to duo with someone allows you to have more fun, have conversations between games and discuss what has been happening in our games. Ranked would feel like a pretty lonely place if I wasn’t able to play with friends.

I accept that duo can give an unfair advantage, but it really is something that has to be endured to keep ranked as fun as it can be.

suffish.4150:

Lordrosicky.5813:

nothelseth.4621:

Lordrosicky.5813:

From a pure competitive perspective it should be solo queue only. It is a shame that a lot of the top players on eu will only duo queue usually with mesmer thief and then moa far and just snowball the whole game from there.

This hurts the game. People just quit queuing when unbalanced match ups come up.

However, alot of people like to play with friends. The solution is that the matchmaker need to have a hard lock on the difference between teams. 1800 players should never be placed against these try hard 2100 duo queues. What i am saying is that if these try hards want to duo queue and stomp at 2100 rating they should have queue times of around 15 minutes.

Both sides are accurately represented here. I for one fully support solo duo because I know the insane positive effect it has to the people who want to q but don’t want to do it solo. I find it very boring on my level of play though because if I want to stay in the top 5 I’m pretty much forced to duo. Playing soloq and landing vs 2x players from rank55 makes it impossible. Meanwhile, if I duo and those guys arent playing then it’s just my side freestomping everything.

I didnt know of this solution before but league of legends have perfectly solved it IMO. Once you hit a certain rating level you can no longer duoq in ranked. This means that if me and frae want to q at 23 then we are most definitely going to face eachother every single game which makes it x100 more interesting than if we are premading and nobody else is online.

Going to push hard for this change because I think it’d do wonders for the community.

Thats an AMAZING idea. Once you hit 1950 you cannot duo queue. That is literally perfect. It would solve all the issues and at the same time it would mean that casual players can still play with friends.

Wow i hope they do this.

I do not think this is a good idea at all. As someone who is legendary division, I would hate it to just not be able to play with my friends. Being forced to solo is a BAD idea, and no, I don’t duo just to stomp noobs. Having the ability to duo with someone allows you to have more fun, have conversations between games and discuss what has been happening in our games. Ranked would feel like a pretty lonely place if I wasn’t able to play with friends.

I accept that duo can give an unfair advantage, but it really is something that has to be endured to keep ranked as fun as it can be.

No because highish level ranked is basically dead now as its a bunch of try hard duo queues farming low plat players as everyone is dodge queuing each other/not queuing unless they are duo.

Lordrosicky.5813:

suffish.4150:

Lordrosicky.5813:

nothelseth.4621:

Lordrosicky.5813:

From a pure competitive perspective it should be solo queue only. It is a shame that a lot of the top players on eu will only duo queue usually with mesmer thief and then moa far and just snowball the whole game from there.

This hurts the game. People just quit queuing when unbalanced match ups come up.

However, alot of people like to play with friends. The solution is that the matchmaker need to have a hard lock on the difference between teams. 1800 players should never be placed against these try hard 2100 duo queues. What i am saying is that if these try hards want to duo queue and stomp at 2100 rating they should have queue times of around 15 minutes.

Both sides are accurately represented here. I for one fully support solo duo because I know the insane positive effect it has to the people who want to q but don’t want to do it solo. I find it very boring on my level of play though because if I want to stay in the top 5 I’m pretty much forced to duo. Playing soloq and landing vs 2x players from rank55 makes it impossible. Meanwhile, if I duo and those guys arent playing then it’s just my side freestomping everything.

I didnt know of this solution before but league of legends have perfectly solved it IMO. Once you hit a certain rating level you can no longer duoq in ranked. This means that if me and frae want to q at 23 then we are most definitely going to face eachother every single game which makes it x100 more interesting than if we are premading and nobody else is online.

Going to push hard for this change because I think it’d do wonders for the community.

Thats an AMAZING idea. Once you hit 1950 you cannot duo queue. That is literally perfect. It would solve all the issues and at the same time it would mean that casual players can still play with friends.

Wow i hope they do this.

I do not think this is a good idea at all. As someone who is legendary division, I would hate it to just not be able to play with my friends. Being forced to solo is a BAD idea, and no, I don’t duo just to stomp noobs. Having the ability to duo with someone allows you to have more fun, have conversations between games and discuss what has been happening in our games. Ranked would feel like a pretty lonely place if I wasn’t able to play with friends.

I accept that duo can give an unfair advantage, but it really is something that has to be endured to keep ranked as fun as it can be.

No because highish level ranked is basically dead now as its a bunch of try hard duo queues farming low plat players as everyone is dodge queuing each other/not queuing unless they are duo.

But my experience of ranked at legend/plat 3 is that most games are very close and competitive. Yes, there are blowouts (I won a 500-0 today) but they are few and far between. Nobody I duo with queue dodges (or at least not when they are with me) and I only duo with the people at the top parts of the leaderboard so I don’t think this is a problem.

As for not queuing unless in a duo, I do accept that this is a problem, but as I said, we MUST put up with this so ranked can be fun for all. It is not right to punish people for being good at the game by taking the option to duo away from legendary players.

suffish.4150:

Lordrosicky.5813:

suffish.4150:

Lordrosicky.5813:

nothelseth.4621:

Lordrosicky.5813:

From a pure competitive perspective it should be solo queue only. It is a shame that a lot of the top players on eu will only duo queue usually with mesmer thief and then moa far and just snowball the whole game from there.

This hurts the game. People just quit queuing when unbalanced match ups come up.

However, alot of people like to play with friends. The solution is that the matchmaker need to have a hard lock on the difference between teams. 1800 players should never be placed against these try hard 2100 duo queues. What i am saying is that if these try hards want to duo queue and stomp at 2100 rating they should have queue times of around 15 minutes.

Both sides are accurately represented here. I for one fully support solo duo because I know the insane positive effect it has to the people who want to q but don’t want to do it solo. I find it very boring on my level of play though because if I want to stay in the top 5 I’m pretty much forced to duo. Playing soloq and landing vs 2x players from rank55 makes it impossible. Meanwhile, if I duo and those guys arent playing then it’s just my side freestomping everything.

I didnt know of this solution before but league of legends have perfectly solved it IMO. Once you hit a certain rating level you can no longer duoq in ranked. This means that if me and frae want to q at 23 then we are most definitely going to face eachother every single game which makes it x100 more interesting than if we are premading and nobody else is online.

Going to push hard for this change because I think it’d do wonders for the community.

Thats an AMAZING idea. Once you hit 1950 you cannot duo queue. That is literally perfect. It would solve all the issues and at the same time it would mean that casual players can still play with friends.

Wow i hope they do this.

I do not think this is a good idea at all. As someone who is legendary division, I would hate it to just not be able to play with my friends. Being forced to solo is a BAD idea, and no, I don’t duo just to stomp noobs. Having the ability to duo with someone allows you to have more fun, have conversations between games and discuss what has been happening in our games. Ranked would feel like a pretty lonely place if I wasn’t able to play with friends.

I accept that duo can give an unfair advantage, but it really is something that has to be endured to keep ranked as fun as it can be.

No because highish level ranked is basically dead now as its a bunch of try hard duo queues farming low plat players as everyone is dodge queuing each other/not queuing unless they are duo.

But my experience of ranked at legend/plat 3 is that most games are very close and competitive. Yes, there are blowouts (I won a 500-0 today) but they are few and far between. Nobody I duo with queue dodges (or at least not when they are with me) and I only duo with the people at the top parts of the leaderboard so I don’t think this is a problem.

As for not queuing unless in a duo, I do accept that this is a problem, but as I said, we MUST put up with this so ranked can be fun for all. It is not right to punish people for being good at the game by taking the option to duo away from legendary players.

That is a tiny proportion of players. My ratings (before decay) is 1955 and I sit about 60th I think (or i did before decay). So that is 60 people who cannot duo, which is a tiny amount. And it would lead to a ton of more healthy games. I had evenings where I played against the same duo queue of try hards on mesmer/thief about 5 games in a row. It kills the games because your team mates get worse too.

You start off with decent ppl. Then they just quit or dodge queue and you end up with worse and worse teams vs these try hard mesmer/thief duos (about 6 different duos).

The game will just be worse if a system like this isn’t bought in. I have more or less quit again due to this issue. Its just getting farmed by duo queues with gold players on my team.

> top players in both regions use exploits, pay gold for wins, and ONLY DuoQ in ranked, never solo
I call bs on all statements.