Guild Wars 2

I find it so interesting to see how the new system is grading people’s skill.

These people are consistently winning matches that their team is expected to lose, I guess. Mostly they have wins.

None of the typical names appear in the top 10, unless I am missing someone well-known.

It looks like you cannot climb the leaderboard fast just by crushing people you are expected to crush.

Maybe some of the top players would do better playing solo and carrying weaker teams? Just sayin’

You always get at least 1 point for winning, and lose 1 point for a loss.

If X top team had played 15 matches and losing none, they would be rank 1-5.

I don’t get the point of your post, if nothing it shows how flawed the system is.

Mrbig.8019:

You always get at least 1 point for winning, and lose 1 point for a loss.

If X top team had played 15 matches and losing none, they would be rank 1-5.

I don’t get the point of your post, if nothing it shows how flawed the system is.

Well, look at Cover Girl. She’s been getting more than 1 point per win, clearly.

it is just grinding system. you don’t even need to carefully think about it. Winrate 46% guy, Lexiceta.4156, already showed us and proved that it is totally grinding system. Don’t be cheated by any of Anet’s sweet words. They just try to pacify you to make you stay their game. However, the fact is right there.

Laserbolt.6731:

Mrbig.8019:

You always get at least 1 point for winning, and lose 1 point for a loss.

If X top team had played 15 matches and losing none, they would be rank 1-5.

I don’t get the point of your post, if nothing it shows how flawed the system is.

Well, look at Cover Girl. She’s been getting more than 1 point per win, clearly.

In a perfect , mmr system , unless you’re on both ends and there’s no “fair match” available, you should get better opponents 50% of the time ( and worse 50% of the time).

Prolly no one at their level was available and got matched against higher MMR pugs vs them as premades.

That’s how u make points in this system.

Mrbig.8019:

You always get at least 1 point for winning, and lose 1 point for a loss.

If X top team had played 15 matches and losing none, they would be rank 1-5.

I don’t get the point of your post, if nothing it shows how flawed the system is.

That is incorrect, you can actually win points by losing games if the final score was close enough. You are only guaranteed one point for a win, but you can gain points or lose none on a loss depending on the probability of winning.

@Kitt: Lexiceta is rank 456? What are you talking about?

I would reserve judgement for a few days on the system, let it stabilize.

Here’s the thing too. Right now skilled, low MMR players will probably surge ahead because they’re winning matches they’re not expected too. Eventually when MMR adjusts, their scores should stagnate, and only players with consistent high winrates and high MMR will succeed.

The balance between win rate and games played on leaderboard rank just can’t be analyzed until some time has passed. Way too soon to pass judgement.

I had a very weird match where i gained 2 pts for a loss (close match, we did more than 450 pts i think), but i didn’t find this too huge difference between teams (according with the new system we had only 0-19% chance of win).

I’m pretty curious about it.

I gave you the details Justin in private.

MarkPhilips.5169:

I had a very weird match where i gained 2 pts for a loss (close match, we did more than 450 pts i think), but i didn’t find this too huge difference between teams (according with the new system we had only 0-19% chance of win).

I’m pretty curious about it.

I gave you the details Justin in private.

That usually means they were in a premade and you were solo if you noticed they didn’t seem very high skill level.

Chase.8415:

Mrbig.8019:

You always get at least 1 point for winning, and lose 1 point for a loss.

If X top team had played 15 matches and losing none, they would be rank 1-5.

I don’t get the point of your post, if nothing it shows how flawed the system is.

That is incorrect, you can actually win points by losing games if the final score was close enough. You are only guaranteed one point for a win, but you can gain points or lose none on a loss depending on the probability of winning.

Lol if u get paired against a high ELO pug premade your match ends at the first wipe.

No way u can win points by losing in that case, cuz it will be 500-100 at best ( aside EXTREMELY RARE occasions).

Current leaderboard “toppleyers” are low elo players going premade and winning matches agains high elo pugs.

100% accurate

Brigg.6189:

Here’s the thing too. Right now skilled, low MMR players will probably surge ahead because they’re winning matches they’re not expected too. Eventually when MMR adjusts, their scores should stagnate, and only players with consistent high winrates and high MMR will succeed.

The balance between win rate and games played on leaderboard rank just can’t be analyzed until some time has passed. Way too soon to pass judgement.

MMRs have been “adjusting” for a couple of weeks. There was a big surge in playing for the first 7 days or so, and then when matchmaking was greatly relaxed, it seems people stopped playing as much.

But yes, if the MMRs are not really a strong predictor of your ability, then we’d see ladder point totals that do not make sense:

1) the “expected win” calculation would be a weak predictor, and 2) the ladder points would then be awarded incorrectly.

How long is this test season going? Until February? It will be interesting to see what we learn.

Chase.8415:

MarkPhilips.5169:

I had a very weird match where i gained 2 pts for a loss (close match, we did more than 450 pts i think), but i didn’t find this too huge difference between teams (according with the new system we had only 0-19% chance of win).

I’m pretty curious about it.

I gave you the details Justin in private.

That usually means they were in a premade and you were solo if you noticed they didn’t seem very high skill level.

Nope, we were in full preamde with all veteran players (all top100 players + or -) against a team with top100 players + or -(with the old leaderboard) in a full premade too.

For this reason it’s pretty weird.

I played only 3 matches today, 2 wins against random team (so 1 and +1) and 1 loss in the final match (2)

I have 4 pts (same score of my team mates).

Brigg.6189:

@Kitt: Lexiceta is rank 456? What are you talking about?

I would reserve judgement for a few days on the system, let it stabilize.

Lexiceta.4156 is ID. Even though it is stablized, the system itselt that calculate rank by the point achieved, i do not think it wont be changed that much as its the implemented system just show point to grind in leaderboard. People will always be aware of it and forces them to grind psychologically … ok lets see then like you say. GG

Justin ODell.9517:

Mrbig.8019:

You always get at least 1 point for winning, and lose 1 point for a loss.

Sorry if someone already mentioned this. This is incorrect. You will always get at least 1 point for a win, but you will not always lose 1 point for a loss.

The full range for a win is +1 to +3. The full range for a loss is -3 to +2.

ah i can confirm this.
i had 3 ladder points from 1 win 1 lose

then i played another 3 games, became 2 wins 3 loses
i haz 6 ladder points now.

1st game 400+ vs 500 – we lost , 1 ladder point, we messed up rotations at end
2nd game 480 vs 500 – we lost , 1 ladder point, we messed up rotations at end
3rd game 200 vs 500 – we won , +1 ladder point, other team all roamers

scoring at least 400+ will always guarantee a +0 or +1 for losing.

by the way, former no. 1 before this test season is

618 2 Lexiceta.4156 Lexicety 10 12 45.45%

no longer at the top.

Justin ODell.9517:

Mrbig.8019:

You always get at least 1 point for winning, and lose 1 point for a loss.

Sorry if someone already mentioned this. This is incorrect. You will always get at least 1 point for a win, but you will not always lose 1 point for a loss.

The full range for a win is +1 to +3. The full range for a loss is -3 to +2.

if this is correct why Ostricheggs has 14 games won 1 lost and he has 9 points?

lets asume for every win +1 makes 14 points. For 1 loss -3 is 11 not 9

Is it because Ostricheggs is esports?

Swap character or dc give you -1 -2 or -3 it depends on odds. It’s always a loss but doesn’t appear in the leaderboard.

watching his stream. Could not see a Dc and he plays his engi all the time at the moment.

Yea you can dc and get -3 off right away, yet your team can still win. He dc’d once, that 1 game loss costed him 2 points, making his total 9 rank points. The leaderboard just doesn’t show that.

Justin ODell.9517:

Lupanic.6502:

if this is correct why Ostricheggs has 14 games won 1 lost and he has 9 points?

lets asume for every win +1 makes 14 points. For 1 loss -3 is 11 not 9

Is it because Ostricheggs is esports?

Hmm, that is interesting. I’ll look into this.

It’s simply because you lose points for DCing or character swapping. It won’t affect your win rate unless you don’t return, just leech the points.

Edit: Even if no DC’s were witnessed, I don’t think an Oeggs character swap would be out of the question.

I definitely preferred the previous system. Last night through multiple games, most of which were very poor, I peaked at 60%. After that, a friend and I kept getting put in a team with 3 solo queuers vs a 5 man premade, and I recognised at least two of them to be players that have competed in PvP tournaments. Despite getting destroyed 500-~30 each time, some of them were quite fun for me, because it was a nice change to fight a couple of 1v1s and 2v2s against some very good players, and I suppose I knew we were going to lose anyway. My friend hated it though. Anyway, for these impossible games we kept getting, against the same team, when it was time to call it quits I check my spot on the ladder, and I’m back to 0 points 0%. I mean come on. Punish me for the matchmaking giving me impossible matches? My win/lose ratio is horrible now, sure, but it in no way reflects what I’m capable of or my knowledge for my class, role and strategies. The opposing team got themselves right up onto the first page of the ladder.

I don’t mind losing. I’m not a sore loser. What I don’t like is not even being able to get on the ladder because my MMR - which no one can see - appears to be above the average. People with less MMR manage to get onto the boards just fine. There’s a few people from my guild ranked high on the boards, who I know are lower MMR (because of the "Team <name> VS. <name>" announcements taking my name over their’s), and they play 1v1 ranger builds when queuing alone or as a team, and make basic mistakes like pushing far when it’ll hurt us, not being aware, and charging off to team fights forcing the bunker guardian to remain alone out of the team fight despite us saying we need the guard to rotate.

So by the end of this, those in the top 20 will get armour that is advertised as for "the best of the best," when the boards really don’t reflect skill at all. Just luck of the draw.

If you DC and come back and lose the game. Do you get -x for DC based on the odds and -x for the lost game?

If you DC and your team loses, do you get the loss in the leaderboard, or do you only get the -3 points?

Justin ODell.9517:

Chaith.8256:

It’s simply because you lose points for DCing or character swapping.

The data makes no distinctions for the cause of a desertion, but yes this explains the discrepancy on the leaderboard. A future update will include desertions in the losses column.

Chaith.8256:

It won’t affect your win rate unless you don’t return, just leech the points.

Coming back won’t matter. You are awarded dishonor and flagged as a deserter the moment you disconnect. You’ll still get end-game rewards if you come back though.

Ah that explains something.

So thx to crap internet iìll have to win twice as much in order to rest ez.

Le sigh.

I know you can’t distinguish disconnects from rage quits, but pls try to work on a more comprehensive solution, it’s barely tollerable like this really and gives no reason to reconnect when you play solo.

Yeah……

Can we get a 90 second grace period as long as the exact same character is logged back in?

Impact.2780:

There’s a few people from my guild ranked high on the boards, who I know are lower MMR (because of the “Team <name> VS. <name>” announcements taking my name over their’s)

No Impact, it was clarified a week ago, the team gets the name of the first person who join the team. I personally don’t doubt you’re better player than them, but the team getting your name does not mean you’re the person with the highest MMR.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Its the first person to join the team. You must have a fast computer

Lots of fun last night, for the first time i feel the sPvP more enjoyable. The difference in the last updates is by far really notable, i know the balance system still is not 100% but it’s already far better than before. Keep the good work guys!

Justin ODell.9517:

Lupanic.6502:

if this is correct why Ostricheggs has 14 games won 1 lost and he has 9 points?

lets asume for every win +1 makes 14 points. For 1 loss -3 is 11 not 9

Is it because Ostricheggs is esports?

Hmm, that is interesting. I’ll look into this.

You swap toons in game, you get penalized for it. I know he’s one of those players that don’t just play 1 particular profession. Like that one game where he played ele and we lost because he should have been engineer.

The developers cant make the perfect matchmaking system as long as people keep swapping out there professions.
You see games where you got too many of one thing on your team? Most likely due to people swapping out for a different profession.
Also, I hate it when people swap mid game because it gives the illusion that they ragequit and results in the team losing confidence and by the time the person that swapped professions comes back, your already down by a lot, going to take a lot of effort and luck to stage the comeback.

Has it been confirmed that dishonor is turned ON? Is it still OFF?
They need to turn that kitten on, they need to stop there useless data collection while its off and turn that kitten on period.

That is one of the major reasons why there are games xv5 and people leaving and ragequitting. Whatever data that indicates its not is a bunch of baloney, nothing but interviewer bias aka bias data to make it look like it isn’t.
Edit: See pic, its from 2 weeks ago, him playing friggin ele. You don’t play ele when enemy team is ranged dps focused (3 rangers), you go on engineer and counter those mofo’s, think he was that celestial bunker too, well 3 rangers counter that build. Those were spirit ranger builds too. Engineer AE range dps knock out all those spirits, but nope, went an ele which is difficult to take out all spirits.

Point is, he probably swaps (he didn’t swap in this game) in game and I’m pretty sure or would hope that is a factor in the leaderboard.

Now for that leaderboard, only person I recognize is Relic Hellfire, that dude been playing forever.

I like this new leaderboard, because I know some of those preppy popular kids, they only play at odd hours to make it seem like they good by playing against a bunch of newbies and with the old leaderboard system if you newbie farmed and got wins you’d look good. Than the most funny thing ever is when they come to forums and boast to make there egos better by saying “I won a billion games but not going anywhere. Well ya play at odd hours and play against newbs, I sure hope you go no where”

I hardly EVER see games where I’m with a few good players and we are fighting against good players, its always this stacked team vs newbies.

I myself, play whenever, I don’t check the friends list to see when all the good players are not playing and not play at that time because it will make me look bad, I just play the game and let it happen. Theres a lot of good players out there that don’t do #esports, well I haven’t seen them on any of those #esports. All I see on the #esports are the same rerunned players, not saying they bad, but just saying its same people over and over.

I’m glad this new leaderboard system is more based off actual rating and not like the old leaderboard system where you win a game you go up a set amount of points. Tired of leaderboard being top ranked with inactive newbie farming preppies.

I hardly see any of those preppies in game, but those other players, I see them a lot, and I’m glad they are getting more noticed and rewarded.

Eyia Hellhide.7320:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Its the first person to join the team. You must have a fast computer

Darn I was sure I’d read somewhere that it used the highest rating. By the time I can see the map I can also see others in the team apparently there before me, but perhaps we all arrived within milliseconds of each other.

Either way, still frustrated!

And where have you been nub? Even Vindex has been about.

uberkingkong.8041:

Has it been confirmed that dishonor is turned ON? Is it still OFF?
They need to turn that kitten on, they need to stop there useless data collection while its off and turn that kitten on period.

They did turn it on when they said they would – when the leader boards reset – but shortly thereafter disabled it again because of a bug.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PSA-Dishonor-is-Disabled/first#post4629930

im having really bad luck, im 1-7 atm, keep getting matched up against really good players all running current meta, which I feel are on my level. on my team are strange people with builds ive never seen before and they just feed. this has been my experience since yesterday….seemed much better before. I think my mmr was good from before, hence being matched against other people with good mmr. but I cant get on the board at all!

Why doesn’t the leaderboard show the class? It has the character name, why not the class?

Be interesting to see the class distribution among the top 1000.

SlimChance.6593:

Why doesn’t the leaderboard show the class? It has the character name, why not the class?

Be interesting to see the class distribution among the top 1000.

Because you have people like me who play every class, they would practically have to have 8 different leaderboards, 1 for each class to be accurate.

Impact.2780:

Eyia Hellhide.7320:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Its the first person to join the team. You must have a fast computer

Darn I was sure I’d read somewhere that it used the highest rating. By the time I can see the map I can also see others in the team apparently there before me, but perhaps we all arrived within milliseconds of each other.

Either way, still frustrated!

And where have you been nub? Even Vindex has been about.

I’m missing one day only and you start to shout on forums…
Hold on, I’m coming. Let’kitten the bottom of these leaderboards and show them who’s the boss!

There is a guy who is 13 and 22 that is #10.

Losses on this leaderboard are too generous.

Chase.8415:

SlimChance.6593:

Why doesn’t the leaderboard show the class? It has the character name, why not the class?

Be interesting to see the class distribution among the top 1000.

Because you have people like me who play every class, they would practically have to have 8 different leaderboards, 1 for each class to be accurate.

Then why is the character name shown?

That tells me that when the player plays that class/character, that is that position on the LB’s. Why not show what the profession of that character?

For those players with multiple professions, only show that players “highest” rank profession.

SobeSoul.6910:

There is a guy who is 13 and 22 that is #10.

Losses on this leaderboard are too generous.

Depends on who you lose to.

SlimChance.6593:

Chase.8415:

SlimChance.6593:

Why doesn’t the leaderboard show the class? It has the character name, why not the class?

Be interesting to see the class distribution among the top 1000.

Because you have people like me who play every class, they would practically have to have 8 different leaderboards, 1 for each class to be accurate.

Then why is the character name shown?

That tells me that when the player plays that class/character, that is that position on the LB’s. Why not show what the profession of that character?

For those players with multiple professions, only show that players “highest” rank profession.

If I can maintain top 100 or so with all classes in the game, how could it elect my best profession? It would change all the time because I might win slightly more based off luck on one game

I think a Grace period would be nice for logging back on. I dced a few times and was able to make it back in the match with in a minute and still win and get the most points. Great for my team but I still lose points.

Lupanic.6502:

If you DC and come back and lose the game. Do you get -x for DC based on the odds and -x for the lost game?

They posted this way back: Deserting will always award the maximum point loss, as if the player’s team had a final score of zero.
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