There’s about as much relevance in showing the WvW Rank as there is in showing a PvP Rank, or kill/death ratio. They don’t measure anything on any gradient of a formula that can actually judge player worth.
Its very hard to measure much of anything of worth in WvW since its not a truly structured format.
Maybe. For PvP players. I don’t like GW2 PvP not after thousands played hours PvP in GW.
WvW leaderboard form me is do the easiest possible way. WvW playes right now cannot see and fight with other in “digits fight” ( like in PvP and PvE (when/if AN increase maximum slots in leaderboard ) Its POOR. Special when community do it better and faster.
I think it would be cool if they added some other statistics like “total ranked games played across all players” and “total players playing more than 10 ranked games”
they need to change the minimum number of games to be placed. its utterly sickening to see people with 7 matches played and in the top 100. It’s nothing but demoralizing and a kick in the kitten.
THANKS! for bringing leaderboards out. But , some ppl are listed on the Lb with like 11 games played, that’s got to be too small to be representative. should be a minimum threshold of like 30 or even 50 games played.
And I notice a lot of oceanic ppl on it. Not that there aren’t terrific oceanic players, but as if running premades doesn’t give you advantage enough, doing it at what amounts to noon in America means you face nearly all pugs.
Yes, please make it possible to search for anyone by account or character name and see their position. Or at the very least see your own rank! Not that I care, but I want to know.
In Guild Wars 1 you could search for any guild by name or tag and see their rank and rating. They even had a simple API that let people write scripts that pulled that information from their database from any website or application, so I could find out any guild’s rank by typing a command into an IRC client!
I was under the impression that spvp/tpvp was global, and you could be teamed up against any other party from any server, whether EU or NA, just like it was back in GW1. Today, however, I noticed that the leaderboards are separate for each datacentre, and that made me question whether we’re all actually playing the same game after all!
Is pvp truly global? And, if yes, why are the leaderboards segregated?
So i very disappointed when I saw the leader board and found myself at rank 75. I play with a team and my team mates are in the top 25. It would have been nice for you to actually have a TEAM rating. Solo Que is even worse to do now since it lowers your overall rating.
The game is actually punishing me to play the game more. Moral of the story is only play with a team and make sure the team wins. Never Que by yourself, with a friend or with 3 friends. You need to que with a premade fives team and win every game to go up.
People are just going to play less…what a shame.
TLDR – Separate the 5-man Pre-made Team ratings from all other rating.
they need to change the minimum number of games to be placed. its utterly sickening to see people with 7 matches played and in the top 100. It’s nothing but demoralizing and a kick in the kitten.
This is a big misconception. On March 26th they reset everyone’s win/loss but not the rating itself. This means players that got their rating before March 26th and then didn’t play that much afterward will not have all of their wins/losses shown.
Leaderboards
We’re pleased to announce that Guild Wars 2 leaderboards begin recording data on March 26th.
Initially, the leaderboards will feature WvW rankings, PvP player rankings, and total achievement points—something for all player types in GW2.
As of March 26th, your existing scores will silently be posted to the leaderboards while we watch for the top leaders to stabilize. These scores will take into account some of your past accomplishments/rating.
Once stable, we will display the leaderboards for players. We currently don’t have an exact date for leaderboard public release.
Also if you don’t play on Anvil rock, its going to be a long time before you get on that leaderboard because its 60% anvil rock. So I recommend guesting on anvil rock and pvping if you want to make it on that leaderboard.
they need to change the minimum number of games to be placed. its utterly sickening to see people with 7 matches played and in the top 100. It’s nothing but demoralizing and a kick in the kitten.
This is a big misconception. On March 26th they reset everyone’s win/loss but not the rating itself. This means players that got their rating before March 26th and then didn’t play that much afterward will not have all of their wins/losses shown.
Leaderboards
We’re pleased to announce that Guild Wars 2 leaderboards begin recording data on March 26th.
Initially, the leaderboards will feature WvW rankings, PvP player rankings, and total achievement points—something for all player types in GW2.
As of March 26th, your existing scores will silently be posted to the leaderboards while we watch for the top leaders to stabilize. These scores will take into account some of your past accomplishments/rating.
Once stable, we will display the leaderboards for players. We currently don’t have an exact date for leaderboard public release.
Thats all fine and well, and i do appreciate clearing up the misconception. However, its very sloppy. If they reset the win/loss they should have reset it all. Or they should have kept all the stats. It looks terrible to see someone with 10 wins on the leader boards, even if they do actually have 1000.
Also if you don’t play on Anvil rock, its going to be a long time before you get on that leaderboard because its 60% anvil rock. So I recommend guesting on anvil rock and pvping if you want to make it on that leaderboard.
The QP board is irrelevant because these wins/losses have only been tracked since March 26th.
Also, it doesn’t matter what server you play on. It’s just a long time ago a lot of the top spvpers migrated to Anvil Rock so they could all be on the same server. It’s not like you have to be there, but it is one of the more populated spvp servers for finding groups.
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Well now that Leaderboards are released I only have one question. Will we be able to access them in game? Eh, what heck two questions. And how far away is visibility for our rating?
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right the win/loss track doesn’t match the rating track. which is aggravating.
As a result of this, the minimum game threshold should be notably higher. As people with 7 wins 6 losses being on the leaderboard makes it look very non representative.
A new person today with 7 wins 6 losses would not be on the leaderboards, pretty much no matter who they beat with those 7 wins.
So if you actually care about rank, solo queuing is a horrible idea and since I have no friends, am I screwed? Is that what is hot on the street, Arenanet? added: ( I don’t care that much NOW, but I kinda feel paranoid going into a match, since my last 3 queues have been horrible).
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This is an mmo forum, if someone isn’t whining chances are the game is dead.
Make our MMR or ELO rating or whatever you use VISIBLE for players….and make the leaderboards and MMR / ELO VISIBLE ….IN GAME! Please…you making these frustratingly tiny baby steps and continue to refuse help from players….I BELIEVE IN YOU ANET! CMON!
( this is part in parcel why you should allow mods/addons and have a public beta server, because 1 you directly see what people want 2 see how they did it and 3 get their true feedback from public beta servers when testing etc not forum qq. also allows for drastic class changes that can be tested in beta and changed again where needed. )
just to give a feedback when ladder was visible i was somewhere around around 30 then i started doing some soloqueue and lost like 3 – 4 games and now i am not top 100 XD. it is very very soloqueue unfriendly…
just to give a feedback when ladder was visible i was somewhere around around 30 then i started doing some soloqueue and lost like 3 – 4 games and now i am not top 100 XD. it is very very soloqueue unfriendly…
Right, I find that because I occasionally premade, but mostly solo Q , after running in premades when I go back to solo Quing I end up fighting really good teams, often premades, despite pugging.
It’s not the number of wins that matter but the quality of those.
sorry but if 7 wins against top level teams puts you top 50 then their rating system is horrid. Take WoW for example, you start at 1500 rating. Even if you played the #1 team and beat them over and over it would take you 50+ games to get top 50.
seriously. 7 Wins, 4 Losses.
I’m not sure you should use Wow rating system as an example as you clearly don’t know how it works.
so it changed slightly and starts at 0 now vs 1500 before. did you even read that? it would still take 100s of games to get top 50. going 7-4 vs top team would out you at 700 rating in that system lol with top teams around 2800
Now, if you are unable to make a a cohesive and accurate conclusion with this. Then… I fear for the humanity.
the odd are very highly against this person only queing vs.. let’s say top 20 people for those 11 games
also highly unlikely he would actually win unless it’s a new account
~edit – even if that is the case, the system sucks if you can progress that quickly – yeah there should be variance but not that high. even if the population is painfully low
Good. And I completly agree with you. I only responded to him to tell him that he shouldn’t use wow system as an example to follow when it clearly has some flaws. See first post.
So if you actually care about rank, solo queuing is a horrible idea and since I have no friends, am I screwed? Is that what is hot on the street, Arenanet? added: ( I don’t care that much NOW, but I kinda feel paranoid going into a match, since my last 3 queues have been horrible).
This is an mmo, so yeah. If you don’t have friends you are screwed
HELP. Why im have 150 wins 20 luze in TPVP and im not in top100… coze im 35 rank?
The leaderboards don’t provide enough information. Ppl have like 7 wins 6 losses on it but really your seeing th etip of the iceberg, they might actually have 1400 wins, 900 losses or something like that.
The w/l correlation with rating is extremely weak bc they reset w/l and didn’t reset rating.
it all depends who you are winning / losing against.
if you don’t win your matches against teams with a higher MMR than you, you will not make the same progress as a player who does, even if you farmed low rank pugs for 100 matches.
my guess would be that all 13 games this fellow played were against players with a higher MMR than himself. so his losses weren’t as big ( losing to a higher rank will result in a smaller adjustment ) & his wins were very beneficial.
I think they really need to show rank points to give these leaderboards some sense, cause atm hey are just generating lot of QQ…. and we should also be able to see our personal rating in game.
These fixes are a must.
Leaderboards are strange to say the least. I was watching them yesterday and one of my friends was rank 28. Maybe 5 minutes later he was not even in top 100. So that means:
a) Difference between 28 and 100 is like almost nothing
b) Losing to lower elos if you for example play solo q will murder your rank
I’m afraid this option b is closer to truth. If you are not playing with your premade team and wanna solo q, then there is chance you will end up in some mix with lower elo players. If you lose, you might lose too many points. That’s why you see people with less games in ranks, simply because not playing = not losing rank.
Suggestion: – lower losing elo by a lot, and increase gain by winning. But not too much so that people who mass games gain advantage. But also u cant have players who never play game have advantage too. Need to balance this better.
if someone thinks that should be high in leader just win with Curse ,IDL,or Paradigm with ur team few times …
some guys that are accidently on the top 100 ,will dissapear soon from it …..
if someone win many tournaments ,and didnt loose ,and is not on leaderbord,and is kitten - against who you won those tourneys?think about it …..
i don’t know if that ladder system works properly,but Curse ,Paradigm are good teams
and they are in top 20…..i don,t know IDL team much ,don’t know if they deserve first places or not….
Semi broke. Leaderboards are better then no leaderboards. Give the. More time to stabilize and expand and they should look healthier. The mix of solo and team is an issue though IMO and needs to be split.
Semi broke. Leaderboards are better then no leaderboards. Give the. More time to stabilize and expand and they should look healthier. The mix of solo and team is an issue though IMO and needs to be split.
Will at least take 2 months and will be promoted as a “new” big feature of the patch.
I think it would be cool if they added some other statistics like “total ranked games played across all players” and “total players playing more than 10 ranked games”
But first they have to explain how and when games are rated as “ranked” or not…but before this they have to explain how those ratings really work (When soloq, when going premade, when facing high ranked ppl in pug while you’re running premade and so on…)
Moral? All is going to be a mess for a looong loong time..
Semi broke. Leaderboards are better then no leaderboards. Give the. More time to stabilize and expand and they should look healthier. The mix of solo and team is an issue though IMO and needs to be split.
Will at least take 2 months and will be promoted as a “new” big feature of the patch.
I would love for this feature to pop up this month’s patch. I might be hopefully optimistic, but now that feedback and fan request for solo queues has intensified with the introduction of the leaderboards (and it was already highly demanded before them), I would love for the devs to implement it as fast as possible. Afterall, with their current system, all you need is to make two different tournament queues, one with the solo queue option disabled (or optional), the other that can only be entered with the solo queue button.
Even if that wasn’t the perfect solution, it would probably be the quickest fix to satisfy pvp players short-term, and then they could dedicate their time to work on a more sturdy solo/ duo ranked queue in the future.
buttons…so good premades who want to run for leaderboards will face other good premades and 4fun teams and soloq can still go without ruining their ladder just because they can go premade only for a few runs a day…preventing bad ppl from farming pugs all day long gaining points for boards..
Leaderboards are strange to say the least. I was watching them yesterday and one of my friends was rank 28. Maybe 5 minutes later he was not even in top 100. So that means:
a) Difference between 28 and 100 is like almost nothing
b) Losing to lower elos if you for example play solo q will murder your rank
I’m afraid this option b is closer to truth. If you are not playing with your premade team and wanna solo q, then there is chance you will end up in some mix with lower elo players. If you lose, you might lose too many points. That’s why you see people with less games in ranks, simply because not playing = not losing rank.
Suggestion: – lower losing elo by a lot, and increase gain by winning. But not too much so that people who mass games gain advantage. But also u cant have players who never play game have advantage too. Need to balance this better.
Ok this was my mistake actually, my friend was 28 on wins ranking and not actual rankings. So scratch everything I said. Maybe rankings are good.
SOLO que leadderboards (Account based, solo players possible only)
- problem with same time queing
GUILD que leadderboards (Guild name based, players with same guild TAG)
- show accounts that participate
WAR que leadderboards (2-5 Friends, account based, similar to actual leaderboards without solo players)
- not TAGed players will steamroll mixed setups, so GUILD ques have to be prestigious therefore players are motivated with prizes for guild only.
- Such motivation is simple – let them feel special/out of the crowd
Next step is Division! - the best team on the planet is just one to feel special
- the best team of the last possible leagues also feel special and what is more important that they have goal to reach.
It is not perfect, but it is what folks want!
Miamoto
they need team ratings and separate out solo, otherwise the boards are a joke. say some guy plays on a team and is undefeated vs all the top teams, then during the day he solo queues, he will never be top 100 ever even though he plays on the best team.
SOLO que leadderboards (Account based, solo players possible only)
- problem with same time queing
GUILD que leadderboards (Guild name based, players with same guild TAG)
- show accounts that participate
WAR que leadderboards (2-5 Friends, account based, similar to actual leaderboards without solo players)
- not TAGed players will steamroll mixed setups, so GUILD ques have to be prestigious therefore players are motivated with prizes for guild only.
- Such motivation is simple – let them feel special/out of the crowd
Next step is Division! - the best team on the planet is just one to feel special
- the best team of the last possible leagues also feel special and what is more important that they have goal to reach.
It is not perfect, but it is what folks want!
Miamoto
+1
I don’t think the word fact means what you think it means….. For me personally to take something as a fact it has to be 100% provable to me by available information. A-net should explain there rating/mmr system in detail to the player base and how you are rated in a particular match via scenarios. Like how you would score solo queue versus a premade and vice versa. I reserve blind faith for religion and my favorite sports teams thats about it.
SOLO que leadderboards (Account based, solo players possible only)
- problem with same time queing
GUILD que leadderboards (Guild name based, players with same guild TAG)
- show accounts that participate
WAR que leadderboards (2-5 Friends, account based, similar to actual leaderboards without solo players)
- not TAGed players will steamroll mixed setups, so GUILD ques have to be prestigious therefore players are motivated with prizes for guild only.
- Such motivation is simple – let them feel special/out of the crowd
Next step is Division! - the best team on the planet is just one to feel special
- the best team of the last possible leagues also feel special and what is more important that they have goal to reach.
It is not perfect, but it is what folks want!
Miamoto
+1
I don’t think the word fact means what you think it means….. For me personally to take something as a fact it has to be 100% provable to me by available information. A-net should explain there rating/mmr system in detail to the player base and how you are rated in a particular match via scenarios. Like how you would score solo queue versus a premade and vice versa. I reserve blind faith for religion and my favorite sports teams thats about it.
Any rating is difficult to measure. The only way Anet will good leaderboard is to hire a skilled statistician that is used to predicted player’s ability
Think of the complexity of measuring a baseball player’s ability. Leader boards based on ability are not easy to implement
Lol gasmask has ascended into the rank 0 spot, where only legends reside like that of beta champion 1-5.
It would be nice if their was a search function implemented at some time to find yourself on the list instead of scrolling through the pages. Maybe that sign in option is it and is waiting to be worked on?
They show up to 1,000 players now as of this morning, we’ll continue to expand and add search features and additional player listings over the next week or two as each set becomes stable.
57,54 win ratio