Guild Wars 2

. . . even more than I already did.

I mean, I never liked PvP, at all, but I still played unranked a few times a month to fill out my dailies sometimes. And it was usually awful, but I had a pretty decent win/loss average, and it wasn’t completely intollerable.

But now there are the PvP leagues, and for that you need to play way too many matches per day, and win way too many matches, with every character class, apparently, and it’s the most horrible experience that I’ve ever had in this game. I keep ending up on teams where the opposition is WAY stronger than the team I’m on, I haven’t been on a winning team yet. I don’t know how I’m meant to get the 40+ wins I’m expected to get to clear out just the first tier of achievements.

This is just horrible Anet. Make it better. Or at the very least, avoidable.

Don’t bother with the achievements, and it’s avoided! Also you only need to win 5 matches on two classes to progress the meta achievement.

Don’t bother with the achievements, and it’s avoided! Also you only need to win 5 matches on two classes to progress the meta achievement.

You can’t get the wings without the achievements though. I mean, sure, that would fix all the problems, but it’s not an option on the table at the moment.

You hear that ANet? Just fix that and nobody will care about all this PvP mess again.

Well if you want the PvP legendary wings, you gotta do a lot of PvP unfortunately. It sounds like sPvP isn’t your favorite mode, so maybe you might enjoy the game more if you aimed for content in other areas, like the fractal legendary.

So you like the game mode less becouse you get more options now? I mean it is not like you can’t play the game just like you played it before.

I can’t get the Raid achievements, since raid was introduced it made me hate PvE (That is not true though).

The achievements are meant to those who enjoy to play the game, something for them to be happy about. I would stop playing as soon as I found myself going out of the way to get achievements or cosmetics… I mean it is a game, a game is meant for entertainment, if it becomes a chore or second work I would quit asap. But well that is me and my opinion.

Well if you want the PvP legendary wings, you gotta do a lot of PvP unfortunately. It sounds like sPvP isn’t your favorite mode, so maybe you might enjoy the game more if you aimed for content in other areas, like the fractal legendary.

The Fractal wings are even worse, but even if that weren’t the case, they are two different wings. It’s not like “either/or,”it’s not like “the PvP wings aren’t your thing, so go for the Fractal Wings instead,” If someone wants the PvP wings, then they _want the PvP Wings," there’s no alternative available.

Now what would be a valid alternative is if you could earn Ascension Backpiece via other activity tracks that don’t involve the PvP Leagues, but that is not currently on the table, so instead I now have to spend a great deal of my time in game HATING what I am doing. GG ANet.

So you like the game mode less becouse you get more options now? I mean it is not like you can’t play the game just like you played it before.

That wouldn’t give me any progression towards the wings, which is the entire point of doing any PvP in the first place. Why do people keep offering non-suggestions? “Oh, I hear you’re having trouble getting a flight back home to Chicago for the holidays, why don’t you take a bus to Omaha instead? Wouldn’t that solve the problem you have expressed?”

I can’t get the Raid achievements, since raid was introduced it made me hate PvE (That is not true though).

This is also an issue they need to resolve, but it’s not the most immediate one. But yes, more ways to earn the raid rewards would be good too.

The achievements are meant to those who enjoy to play the game, something for them to be happy about.

and that would be great, _if they did not tie cool rewards to them. If the only thing you got for completing the Ascention achievement line is “you completed the line” then I would have no problem with it, but since it’s necessary to get those wings, it’s necessary to complete for people who have absolutely no enjoyment from the associated activities.

It just sounds like you want the prestigious PvP wings without putting any effort into the PvP part of it then.

Opc.4718:

It just sounds like you want the prestigious PvP wings without putting any effort into the PvP part of it then.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Ohoni.6057:

So you like the game mode less becouse you get more options now? I mean it is not like you can’t play the game just like you played it before.

That wouldn’t give me any progression towards the wings, which is the entire point of doing any PvP in the first place. Why do people keep offering non-suggestions? “Oh, I hear you’re having trouble getting a flight back home to Chicago for the holidays, why don’t you take a bus to Omaha instead? Wouldn’t that solve the problem you have expressed?”

I can’t get the Raid achievements, since raid was introduced it made me hate PvE (That is not true though).

This is also an issue they need to resolve, but it’s not the most immediate one. But yes, more ways to earn the raid rewards would be good too.

The achievements are meant to those who enjoy to play the game, something for them to be happy about.

and that would be great, _if they did not tie cool rewards to them. If the only thing you got for completing the Ascention achievement line is “you completed the line” then I would have no problem with it, but since it’s necessary to get those wings, it’s necessary to complete for people who have absolutely no enjoyment from the associated activities.

1. Well with your comparison it should be more like the flight to Chicago is still going as usuall but they have also added a bus that takes you to Omaha and as a congratulations for surviving the trip you get new cool wings. If you don’t wanna go to Omaha then don’t go there. If you want the cool wings I guess you have to rida along and try to survive the trip.

2. Well I don’t see that as an issue, it is an content not designed for me, then it is not an achievement I am elligeble to have. Why should I?

3. The cool rewards is a way to get players interested in stuff that then have never tried before. If you don’t find it fun or entertaining then it probable isn’t something for you. Now we can debate the difference between GW2 and most other MMO’s where stuff are required to be achieved to be able to continue in the game where GW2 only have a few convenience rewards and fluff rewards. I like that I get cool stuff for compeating achievements and I don’t mind that there are stuff that I will never be able to get a hold of, I can still enjoy the parts that I do enjoy in the game and I am not forced to play any content that I don’t like.

I was seriously like “I wonder when Ohoni is going to complain that he cannot get the rewards by just standing still” – and here it happened

It just sounds like you want the prestigious PvP wings without putting any effort into the PvP part of it then.

Yes, ideally.

3. The cool rewards is a way to get players interested in stuff that then have never tried before. If you don’t find it fun or entertaining then it probable isn’t something for you.

Ok, now that I’ve tried it, and come to that realization that I actually definitely do not like green eggs and ham, can I have my wings?

No? Then it’s failed at its intended purpose. “Get people to try things” rewards should not involve huge amounts of time invested, those are things that you should just just for “showing up and trying things.” Rewards that actually take an investment of time and effort should be more flexible about how you spend that time and effort.

ROFL once again ohoni demanding legendarys without wanting to do ANYTHING required for it,

Dude just quit the game, seriously, there isnt a single luxory item you HAVNT complained about. mmos are obviously not the type game for you

So if I get this straight, you hate pvp, you never play it. And somehow you wonder why you keep getting on the losing team? YOU’RE THE REASON YOUR TEAM IS LOSING!

Whats worst is you have less than 2 months to do it

So if I get this straight, you hate pvp, you never play it. And somehow you wonder why you keep getting on the losing team? YOU’RE THE REASON YOUR TEAM IS LOSING!

It’s possibly part of it, but really the way my teams are losing, I should be able to AFK back and base and the teams would be doing better than they have been. It’s not like my personal score is awesome or anything, but I get some decent kills, some decaps, some caps, some holding for a while, I think I’m contributing my 1/5th, at least, and yet still there have been games lost 500-100. I can’t imagine it’s all me.

But yeah, ideally I wouldn’t have to get anywhere near ranked PvP and other players could have fun without me on their teams, but the devs decided to lock those wings behind PvP play, so we’re both stuck with it for the time being.

The thing which upsets me the most, is some crap when you face 5 man premade with soloqers in your team and the fact that you loose your progress while loosing. That’s sucks, i mean i m okay with loosing, but not with those cheap matchmaking jokes when to stop win streak i m suddenly have to face premade of 5 ppl with 3 bunkers and having warrior and thief on my side.

I mean that’s so sad.

If you aren’t a pvp player then the pvp legendary is not for you, but if you absolutely MUST have this skin, then you have to pvp, so stop complaining and fulfill the requirements

You seem to have this completely misguided belief that legendarys are something every player is entitled to have regardless of their playstyle or effort put into the game, they arnt, they a LONG term goals for people DEDICATED to playing the game to earn them.

Inb4 “i shouldnt have to work for anything in a game cuz i should be able to relax” or " the methods to acquire it should be “reasonable” by my personal definition of reasonable"

The wings are a PvP reward, if you don’t like playing PvP, then the reward is not for you. It’s set up so that when you see someone with the wings, there is a prestige behind them and you know that they deserved the item. If they made the wings easily available, then that just lowers that prestige and they aren’t as cool anymore. NEWS FLASH: Just because you play the game, doesn’t mean you are going to be handed rewards, there are enough of those already. Let these wings be something special, and admire them on someone else, or practice, find a team you work with and get them yourself.

If you aren’t a pvp player then the pvp legendary is not for you,

Wrong.

You seem to have this completely misguided belief that legendarys are something every player is entitled to have regardless of their playstyle or effort put into the game, they arnt, they a LONG term goals for people DEDICATED to playing the game to earn them.

and I’m fine with that. I’m fine with it being a long term goal, I’m fine with having to dedicate myself to the task. No problem with either of those conditions. The condition that bothers me is the “AND you have to do it in this ONE specific portion of the game, whether you enjoy that portion or not.”

I think that there should be goals that require time and dedication.
I think that there should be goals that can only be earned in specific areas of the game.
I think that these two situations should NEVER overlap each other.

The wings are a PvP reward, if you don’t like playing PvP, then the reward is not for you.

Wrong.

It’s set up so that when you see someone with the wings, there is a prestige behind them and you know that they deserved the item.

Pssht, all it means is that they played a lot of PvP, what silly “prestige” is involved in that? No, when you see someone in the wings, it shows that they have pretty wings on, nothing more than that, and there’s absolutely no justification for restricting it only to people who enjoy PvP.

If they want to have something that conveys “prestige,” then it should be something that people wouldn’t want otherwise, something that ONLY serves to show that you have accomplished something, not something that would be cool and desirable whether you accomplished that task or not.

Yawn……….

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Ohoni.6057:

If you aren’t a pvp player then the pvp legendary is not for you,

Wrong.

You seem to have this completely misguided belief that legendarys are something every player is entitled to have regardless of their playstyle or effort put into the game, they arnt, they a LONG term goals for people DEDICATED to playing the game to earn them.

and I’m fine with that. I’m fine with it being a long term goal, I’m fine with having to dedicate myself to the task. No problem with either of those conditions. The condition that bothers me is the “AND you have to do it in this ONE specific portion of the game, whether you enjoy that portion or not.”

I think that there should be goals that require time and dedication.
I think that there should be goals that can only be earned in specific areas of the game.
I think that these two situations should NEVER overlap each other.

The wings are a PvP reward, if you don’t like playing PvP, then the reward is not for you.

Wrong.

It’s set up so that when you see someone with the wings, there is a prestige behind them and you know that they deserved the item.

Pssht, all it means is that they played a lot of PvP, what silly “prestige” is involved in that? No, when you see someone in the wings, it shows that they have pretty wings on, nothing more than that, and there’s absolutely no justification for restricting it only to people who enjoy PvP.

If they want to have something that conveys “prestige,” then it should be something that people wouldn’t want otherwise, something that ONLY serves to show that you have accomplished something, not something that would be cool and desirable whether you accomplished that task or not.

Sorry no PVE leagues yet.

Your ’’silly’’ prestige with those wings means that the person who got them most likely knows what to do in PvP. If someone plays so many games you can probably count on them. To that matter, im happy Anet decided to deliver us something that cant be purchased with credit card nor gold and is accesible via playing one part of the game, which can be considered fun.
EDIT: Correcting some grammar mistakes.

Your ’’silly’’ prestige with those wings means that the person who got them most likely knows what to do in PvP.

So? Who cares? If he has one of those fancy colored dots next to his name he likely knows PvP too, whichever color is the one you want to have. You don’t need the fancy wings for that. The fancy wings people can want regardless of their interest or capability in PvP.

To that matter, im happy Anet decided to deliver us something that cant be purchased with credit card nor gold and is accesible via playing one part of the game, which can be considered fun.

They would be better purchased with gems than with PvP games, but even better would be if you could earn them through a variety of different PvE activities.

They are PvP wings, not for all wing. That means you HAVE to play PvP to get them. The league icon will disappear when new league launches. Also, dont you think se have enough of things in gemstore?

We have fractal wings, raid armor and PvE legendaries. Only thing missing is something for WvW and adventures(or whatever they are called)

Theres a HUGE amount of toxicity going on in soloq right now. People are being very rude and hateful and its sad to see. When people lose, they don’t accept the fact that they could have possibly gotten outplayed. So they just blame whoever on their team has the lowest points, made a bad rotation, couldnt stop a thief decap (which is an example of being outplayed) and anything else to put others down and blame someone else for their loss when the team as a whole got outplayed.

They are PvP wings, not for all wing.

They are not PvP wings. They are for all wings. The devs just decided to play them behind PvP activities. There’s absolutely nothing “PvP” about the wings themselves, and if PvP didn’t exist you’d be able to earn them through some other means.

Also, dont you think se have enough of things in gemstore?

Quantity has nothing to do with anything. They could have 100 wings available in the gem store, 1000 wings available through Silverwaste farming for all it would matter, if the Ascension look is the one you want, then that’s the one you want, so having other versions available is meaningless.

We have fractal wings, raid armor and PvE legendaries. Only thing missing is something for WvW and adventures(or whatever they are called)

No, all that’s missing is ways to earn those rewards through alternative content.

Any little bit you do in pve can count towards progression for the Fractal wings.
Anything you do in pvp doesn’t matter jack kitten because in one match you could lose all the progress you’ve made.
Whoever thought this league system where rank 50s get matched against rank 80s can go get fired because honestly this is the most disgusting experience I’ve had in gw2 to date

I want PvE rewards without ever setting foot in PvE too. I also want to win the lottery without ever wasting money buying a ticket. I’d also like to earn my degree without paying for college or going to classes.

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Any little bit you do in pve can count towards progression for the Fractal wings.
Anything you do in pvp doesn’t matter jack kitten because in one match you could lose all the progress you’ve made.
Whoever thought this league system where rank 50s get matched against rank 80s can go get fired because honestly this is the most disgusting experience I’ve had in gw2 to date

You do know rank means nothing and its a reward, something this game has been lacking

I want PvE rewards without ever setting foot in PvE too.

And I want that for you. Good luck!

Ohoni.6057:

I want PvE rewards without ever setting foot in PvE too.

And I want that for you. Good luck!

“Reward tracks”
You also get transmutation charges and level up tomes from those.
GL getting transmutation charges in pve other than grinding map completion for te 10th time

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Ohoni.6057:

I want PvE rewards without ever setting foot in PvE too.

And I want that for you. Good luck!

“Reward tracks”
You also get transmutation charges and level up tomes from those.
GL getting transmutation charges in pve other than grinding map completion for te 10th time

I’d like the dungeon master title without ever going to a single dungeon.

Ohoni.6057:

It just sounds like you want the prestigious PvP wings without putting any effort into the PvP part of it then.

Yes, ideally.

This is the crux of the OP’s argument folks. Knock yourselves out.

I’d like the dungeon master title without ever going to a single dungeon.

Personally, I have no objection, but I really think that titles and visual items are very different things. Personally, I don’t support giving players access to PvP titles like “Legendary Champion” without actually playing PvP, but I consider that something else entirely than a cosmetic reward which actually has inherent value. If you want that sort of thing, argue your case for it, but it is not my case.

Ohoni.6057:

It just sounds like you want the prestigious PvP wings without putting any effort into the PvP part of it then.

Yes, ideally.

Bwaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

…ahem, OK on a more serious note… ahhh hahahahahah!

OH MY GOODNESS IT’S SPREAD!

Ohoni.6057:

I’d like the dungeon master title without ever going to a single dungeon.

Personally, I have no objection, but I really think that titles and visual items are very different things. Personally, I don’t support giving players access to PvP titles like “Legendary Champion” without actually playing PvP, but I consider that something else entirely than a cosmetic reward which actually has inherent value. If you want that sort of thing, argue your case for it, but it is not my case.

So far I think everyone here disagrees with you on this. ANet will listen to the majority and keep these wings exclusive to pvp.

Ohoni.6057:

They are PvP wings, not for all wing.

They are not PvP wings. They are for all wings. The devs just decided to play them behind PvP activities. There’s absolutely nothing “PvP” about the wings themselves, and if PvP didn’t exist you’d be able to earn them through some other means.

Who are you to decide this?

Can I get a pvp reward track for fractal backpiece, raid backpiece and raid legendary armour then?

;)

PVP Wings require you to play PVP to obtain them. It’s a gamemode reward. Much like how pvp players will never ever get FOTM wings.

I’m sorry your fav skin is gated behind a gamemode you don’t like but deal with it yo.

They suck anyway. Straight out of Korean MMOs

Curunen.8729:

Can I get a pvp reward track for fractal backpiece, raid backpiece and raid legendary armour then?

;)

Sure, but you still have to grind the mandatory account bound items Good luck especially if you are going for the hot ones hah

JVJD.4912:

Curunen.8729:

Can I get a pvp reward track for fractal backpiece, raid backpiece and raid legendary armour then?

;)

Sure, but you still have to grind the mandatory account bound items Good luck especially if you are going for the hot ones hah

In reality I don’t care for any of these items, happy with standard ascended and other skins.

So far I think everyone here disagrees with you on this. ANet will listen to the majority and keep these wings exclusive to pvp.

If you think that the majority of people on the PvP forums is representative of anything that matters, then you really need to study statistics and polling.

Who are you to decide this?

Ok, I’ll bite. What is “PvP” about the wings themselves? If they had put them on the gem store, or locked them behind some PvE collection quest, what would make you think “OMG, those are totally PvP wings, as a PvPer, i simply MUST have those wings!”

Can I get a pvp reward track for fractal backpiece, raid backpiece and raid legendary armour then?

Yes, definitely.

PVP Wings require you to play PVP to obtain them. It’s a gamemode reward. Much like how pvp players will never ever get FOTM wings.

But what if they could? . .

I’m pretty sure this guy is a troll lol.

I think its fine to gate prestigious skins behind long effort/lot of skill performance in individual game modes as long as the tier or quality etc of every time is available in each game mode.

So as long as you can get a legendary backpiece in each game mode (cough wvw?) i think its fine if each skin is different and you have to put a lot of effort and skill into pvp if you like the pvp skin.

Ohoni.6057:

Well if you want the PvP legendary wings, you gotta do a lot of PvP unfortunately. It sounds like sPvP isn’t your favorite mode, so maybe you might enjoy the game more if you aimed for content in other areas, like the fractal legendary.

The Fractal wings are even worse, but even if that weren’t the case, they are two different wings. It’s not like “either/or,”it’s not like “the PvP wings aren’t your thing, so go for the Fractal Wings instead,” If someone wants the PvP wings, then they _want the PvP Wings," there’s no alternative available.

Now what would be a valid alternative is if you could earn Ascension Backpiece via other activity tracks that don’t involve the PvP Leagues, but that is not currently on the table, so instead I now have to spend a great deal of my time in game HATING what I am doing. GG ANet.

PvE logic. Deal with it.

If I _wanted fractal wings I’d have to spend weeks crafting time gated gear and auto attacking colorful scripted bad guys. But that wouldn’t be fun to me, and my wants in life aren’t overshadowed by a desire for virtual backpacks.

I think its fine to gate prestigious skins behind long effort/lot of skill performance in individual game modes as long as the tier or quality etc of every time is available in each game mode.

But “tier” is completely irrelevant. What matters is that you get the one that you want. I mean, technically Dawn and Quip are on the same “tier” of items, and yet Dawn is considerably more popular, and if a player wants Dawn, giving them a Quip won’t make them feel better about it. There is no “consolation prize” for this situation, it’s all or nothing.

I’ll also point out that PvE still needs a Legendary backpiece, so far only PvP and Fractals have one, and PvP, WvW, and PvE all still need ways to get legendary armor outside of raiding.

If I _wanted fractal wings I’d have to spend weeks crafting time gated gear and auto attacking colorful scripted bad guys. But that wouldn’t be fun to me, and my wants in life aren’t overshadowed by a desire for virtual backpacks.

But why not? Because the developers arbitrarily attached reward A to content B? Why? Why couldn’t they open it up to several options, so that if you did want the Fractal backpiece, you could earn it by pursuing a PvP achievement line similar to the Ascension ones in complexity?

Can anyone be any lamer than this OP.

There are people that used to love pvp that hate it now. You never liked it so why even care to create this joke of a thread