Guild Wars 2

This league system is nothing more than a glorified reward track where you can lose progress.

You are constantly matched with people who have no idea what they are doing, which means progression in this system is clearly more about luck/grinding than it is about skill.

…and even if the leagues did determine player skill level…. why does anet reset the leagues every single season….. players spend 90% of their time attempting to get to the bracket where they belong…. rather than actually getting to play with other players of their skill level.

What is the point?

Actually I wish the wings were on a reward track. It would relieve a lot of angst.

As to being matched with players of similar skill level; The only way to do that would be to have SOLO QUEUE ONLY. It’s abundantly clear that teams are carrying people well above where they would naturally fall when solo.

AGREED.

Grind based system for ranking is not fun, is not representative of skills and punish the player base too much for too long.

I did propose a SKILL based system here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Skill-based-or-Grind-based-rank-system/first#post6036443

Agree with OP.

Leagues need to be less about direct rewards and more about skill ranking.

Jourdelune.7456:

AGREED.

Grind based system for ranking is not fun, is not representative of skills and punish the player base too much for too long.

I did propose a SKILL based system here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Skill-based-or-Grind-based-rank-system/first#post6036443

Too bad you didn’t know what you were talking about then and still don’t know now because you are under some kind of mistaken idea that season 1 was anything but a grindfest.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

This league system is nothing more than a glorified reward track where you can lose progress.

You are constantly matched with people who have no idea what they are doing, which means progression in this system is clearly more about luck/grinding than it is about skill.

…and even if the leagues did determine player skill level…. why does anet reset the leagues every single season….. players spend 90% of their time attempting to get to the bracket where they belong…. rather than actually getting to play with other players of their skill level.

What is the point?

Actually your teammates are roughly your skill level. That’s the problem 90% of people think they are way better then they are.

Because MMR always equal Skill??? I.e. a diamond player who tried so hard to get to legendary but didn’t abuse the bunker mesmer ele meta, hence ended up with a 40% winrate. According to you, this player skill is representative of every player with a 40% winrate?

brannigan.9831:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

This league system is nothing more than a glorified reward track where you can lose progress.

You are constantly matched with people who have no idea what they are doing, which means progression in this system is clearly more about luck/grinding than it is about skill.

…and even if the leagues did determine player skill level…. why does anet reset the leagues every single season….. players spend 90% of their time attempting to get to the bracket where they belong…. rather than actually getting to play with other players of their skill level.

What is the point?

Actually your teammates are roughly your skill level. That’s the problem 90% of people think they are way better then they are.

wait a min… are u saying i might NOT be the absolute best and greatest at gw2 pvp?

If it was based on season win ratio – I would not now be in Diamond.

I had a horrid start in amber – lost many matches.
Emerald T2 – for some reason was a kitten fest (lost about 80 matches in a row !!!).
Lost a few more at Sapphire T4 → T5.
Got into Ruby : T1→T3 back to T1 then up crept to T5 then hit diamond with large win streaks.

My win ratio in ruby or diamond (if you just look at my ruby/diamond matches) – is much higher than emerald/Sapphire or amber.

I dont think you can look into win ratio right now.

TPMN.1483:

If it was based on season win ratio – I would not now be in Diamond.

I had a horrid start in amber – lost many matches.
Emerald T2 – for some reason was a kitten fest (lost about 80 matches in a row !!!).
Lost a few more at Sapphire T4 -> T5.
Got into Ruby : T1->T3 back to T1 then up crept to T5 then hit diamond with large win streaks.

My win ratio in ruby or diamond (if you just look at my ruby/diamond matches) – is much higher than emerald/Sapphire or amber.

I dont think you can look into win ratio right now.

I agree with this, I was off to a great start, then I’d stall for a few days then move up a few T’s stall for a few days, move up a few T’s. But the reason matches are lost are always the same, the one guy who thinks he can take far, but can’t and try’s for the whole match, then you have the team that just lemmings them self’s to the enemy team one at a time. The. You have the 2 people who flame each other for the whole match after the team gets wiped because no one followed the plan that was discussed at length before the match started. Lets not for get the afk’ers or the people who just throw the match to get the come back pip(you know the kind that dose the bare minimum in the match, or just stand’s in one stop auto attacking.

I know I don’t do any of these, bar afking when the match is like 450+ -150 then I’ll just go get a drink and start to compose my self for the next match.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Because MMR always equal Skill??? I.e. a diamond player who tried so hard to get to legendary but didn’t abuse the bunker mesmer ele meta, hence ended up with a 40% winrate. According to you, this player skill is representative of every player with a 40% winrate?

If the one learned that specc fast and won over others using the same, then yes, it represents skill.
Last season I played half of the time thief and the other half rev. Friend I queued mostly with still played mostly Power-shatter-mesmer and a bit of engi/rev. Despite me loosing a lot of time cause of exams and 3 weeks vacation It was easy to almost reach legy. My friend refused paying Bunker-mes and still had success.
Complaing about meta and brag about not following it is silly though. Meta is meta cause of being the best available. If you want to play competitive sooner or later you gonna have to accept the meta.

brannigan.9831:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

This league system is nothing more than a glorified reward track where you can lose progress.

You are constantly matched with people who have no idea what they are doing, which means progression in this system is clearly more about luck/grinding than it is about skill.

…and even if the leagues did determine player skill level…. why does anet reset the leagues every single season….. players spend 90% of their time attempting to get to the bracket where they belong…. rather than actually getting to play with other players of their skill level.

What is the point?

Actually your teammates are roughly your skill level. That’s the problem 90% of people think they are way better then they are.

If you want to get technical… you should eventually average out a win/loss ratio of 50/50 when you reach the division that represents your skill level.

This system is not like that in any way shape or form.

There are too many factors that essentially boil down your match results to a coin flip.

People can climb all the way to ruby simply by having luck streaks.

Leaving three real tiers to complete…. ruby diamond and legendary.

Ruby, much like a like a trap in a drain, collects all the bad players, since it is the first division in which you will need more than a 50/50 win ratio to progress.

…but since the system is flawed, and match results are usually like I said, more like a coin flip, many players get stuck in ruby.

Also… since there is no downranking system… bad players who grind their way to ruby, end up clogging up the matches forever…. since they are constantly weighing their team down like an anchor.

The division system doesn’t even have any skill associated with it for amber – sapphire… and arguably ruby also.

Diamond should be the first rank that is unobtainable by a player who is not skilled enough to compete…. but even then, the skilled players who make it to diamond coast all the way to the last bracket, because the bad players who grind their wins get stuck in the starting few brackets.

As the brackets populate with more and more of the players who grind their way up…. the overall skill level in the bracket decreases…. and then the bracket means nothing.

Once there are enough bad players in a bracket, you can coast all the way through it, by smashing noobs.

That’s why its better to take your time through ruby if you have a late start, because near the end of the season, ruby will be so clogged full of bad players it will almost be impossible to lose.

At any rate none of this boils down to actual player skill. Just manipulation and grinding.

The player base is so low now in ranked, that the sapphire minded people end up to diamond, and play like an amber, I swear… Solo queue had become kitten! And when I duo-trio queue, then we get all the same opponents (out of 8 opponent player base), were we won 1 and loose 1… Season 2 is dead for me from now on, it’s a joke!
I diamond there are teams who use 2 thieve 1 war, and they play like a child, seriously! This is the elite game of yours!

Coronit.9432:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Because MMR always equal Skill??? I.e. a diamond player who tried so hard to get to legendary but didn’t abuse the bunker mesmer ele meta, hence ended up with a 40% winrate. According to you, this player skill is representative of every player with a 40% winrate?

If the one learned that specc fast and won over others using the same, then yes, it represents skill.
Last season I played half of the time thief and the other half rev. Friend I queued mostly with still played mostly Power-shatter-mesmer and a bit of engi/rev. Despite me loosing a lot of time cause of exams and 3 weeks vacation It was easy to almost reach legy. My friend refused paying Bunker-mes and still had success.
Complaing about meta and brag about not following it is silly though. Meta is meta cause of being the best available. If you want to play competitive sooner or later you gonna have to accept the meta.

You missed my point, although the bolder statement is true, those players have grounds to complain. I asked the op was whether or not a diamond play with 500 MMR had the same skill as an emerald or amber player with the same MMR. Just someone who abused the meta last season and ended up with a 1000 MMR might have the same skill as a pro player with a 1000 MMR.

Most of these problems come from our own incapacity to doubt our own skill. Once you stop blaming your team mates and try to improve the game becomes enjoyable again.

Don’t get me wrong. I also rage, and I also think I’m the best player this game has ever seen. Then I start to lose and I do something else.

Sorel.4870:

Most of these problems come from our own incapacity to doubt our own skill. Once you stop blaming your team mates and try to improve the game becomes enjoyable again.

Don’t get me wrong. I also rage, and I also think I’m the best player this game has ever seen. Then I start to lose and I do something else.

Not quite, I know I’m not the best, and I don’t belong in diamond or legendary. How ever, I do know when I’m doing all the work in a match, when I’m"carrying". Now I know there are better players out there. I know this because no matter what I did, they killed me each time. The same can be said when I see team mates die like dogs to someone I took out with ease a few minutes ago. Just because someone is about the same MMR/division/T, in no way means they are of equal skill, unless it comes to getting killed, we all do that the same way.