Guild Wars 2

1. We know teams are stronger, but MMR completely ignores pre-mades

We ALL KNOW that when you form a group, you play better and win more. Because coordination and build synergy. Even if the group is just 2-3 people it makes a big difference over having 5 pugs.

We ALL KNOW this to be true, yet the Matchmaker does not take it into account at all. In a scenario of 5 Pugs with average X MMR vs a Premade 5 team with average X MMR, the matchmaker thinks its a perfectly even match with a 50/50 outcome, however I guarantee you the pre-made is going to win 9 out of 10 times when MMRs are equal.

And by now Anet certainly has this data.

2. The flaw is somewhat circular

Pre-mades are fighting pugs because as far as the MMR is concerned they are pretty equal. This gives pre-mades 80-90+% wins while keeping pugs at around ~48% average or so. But you can’t go back and forth. If you play in a pre-made and get up to a high MMR and then try to queue solo, you’re going to get a real bullkitten matchup because your MMR is based on your results achieved in a TEAM which you cannot possibly be expected to achieve solo without coordination.

3. Leaderboard doesn’t factor in MMR

This is so just… dumb. You can have the highest MMR in history and not be top 100, or you can have a slightly above-average MMR and be #1. Leaderboard is in no way an indication of how good the player is.

4. fixes should be pretty easy

Artificially increase MMR based on party size. Your party’s MMR is your average MMR + a percentage. Just being 2 people might only add 5-10%, where a full party of 5 might add more like 30-40%

The artificial MMR is used to determine the match making as well as the predicted results.

Keep the queues the way they are but each player has a separate solo MMR vs team MMR (with a rule that their team MMR can never be lower than their solo MMR)?

There would be a team leaderboard and solo leaderboard, but there would only be the same single ranked queue there is now.

This way when pre-mades face pugs, they are facing very good pugs who will give them a solid challenge. Also, you can solo queue without messing up your team MMR, and vice versa. Also, leaderboard can again reflect MMR like it should. When you queue as a team you will get stronger enemies than when you queue solo.

It’s really just a couple pieces of flawed logic that are throwing this whole system out of whack. Matchmaking and leaderboards were being done better by companies like Blizzard since the 90’s.

So basically you want the old leaderboards back, you want the old everything back. Good post I haven’t seen any like this yet.

The fix for me would be to face teams like this:

5 randoms vs 5 randoms
4 + 1 vs 4 + 1
3 + 2 vs 4 + 1
3 + 2 vs 2 + 2 + 1
5 vs 5
5 vs 4 + 1
5 vs 3 + 2

but NEVER:
5 vs 1+1+1+1+1

NeXeD.3042:

So basically you want the old leaderboards back, you want the old everything back. Good post I haven’t seen any like this yet.

your sarcasm is also extremely original and unique.

and No, you must not have read it. I want to keep the current queue system but inflate the MMR of people queueing as a team. And then revert back to old leaderboard system yes.

Solstice.1097:

NeXeD.3042:

So basically you want the old leaderboards back, you want the old everything back. Good post I haven’t seen any like this yet.

your sarcasm is also extremely original and unique.

and No, you must not have read it. I want to keep the current queue system but inflate the MMR of people queueing as a team. And then revert back to old leaderboard system yes.

Well you post was original, sadly I did read it. I think I hear the waaaaaambulance.

This is odly familiar…………..Oh that’s right you just triple posted this kitt. 3rd thread so far you posted the exact same kitt. Get over it? Who gives a kitt about the leader boards. You being top of LB’s isn’t going to make me think you are good. Maybe actually spend time in PvP to improve instead of constantly crying about it on the forums.

GhOst.4019:

This is odly familiar…………..Oh that’s right you just triple posted this kitt. 3rd thread so far you posted the exact same kitt. Get over it? Who gives a kitt about the leader boards. You being top of LB’s isn’t going to make me think you are good. Maybe actually spend time in PvP to improve instead of constantly crying about it on the forums.

the only thing oddly familiar here is your attitude. glad to know you are at least attempting to read my posts. failing, but attempting nonetheless.

Naw, Just read the title and saw you posted it. Waste of time reading the rest, since I already know what it says from the last couple times you posted the same kitt.

Logical flaws of your argument: Not reading this: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_Matchmaking_Algorithm.

Solstice.1097:

3. Leaderboard doesn’t factor in MMR

This is so just… dumb. You can have the highest MMR in history and not be top 100, or you can have a slightly above-average MMR and be #1. Leaderboard is in no way an indication of how good the player is.

Is this actually true ? If so, then indeed, it should be changed…

Yes this is true in fact having a higher MMR can almost penalize you on this leaderboard.